Hogwarts Mafia - END

[Quin]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and Bullzeye/speedchuck

Long Con's stuff

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The timmer thing is pretty hedgey... complete with the "I'm seeking greater understanding" at the end.

I really can't blame bullzeye for going for a non-poster because we lost Mega Man because of absent players (no it totally wasn't because I was fooling around it was absent players)... I think your analysis of "ugly under the circumstances" is excessive. Why were these circumstances particularly ugly-inducing? It's not the greatest reason for a Day 1 vote, but it's not totally unusual.

Although there were some bullzeye suspicions earlier that I didn't disagree with. I forget what they were right now, but that's because I'm having some drinks.

Immediately after giving timmer crud for a hedgey post, LC hedges on his Bullzeye read. Eh.

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That said, I kind of suspect Colin and Mac for jumping on it.

Maybe I'll just shut up and wait for bullzeye to respond.

AKA "Bullzeye, get in here and respond."

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We have three replacements. Everyone tell me about them.

Sloonei is town. Sprityo and speed2.0 haven't done anything yet. I have a reason to think that speed2.0's player slot is town. I don't have any reason to think sprityo is town.

Sloonei townslipped. Sprityo has said nothing. Speed 2.0 has suspicion of Glorf and nutella, which I think is pretty healthy. I see from his ISO that he is the one who already called out nutella's Player Salad post, and that puts him a little in the green, salad pun intended.

LC gave speedchuck 2.0 a green read because he named a couple suspects and pointed at player salad. This isn't my favorite thing re: speedchuck, as it's a concerted effort by LC to give him civilian credit that doesn't really occur often in his posts.

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Maybe he wants the perks that come with being a Confirmed Civ. He could reasonably expect protection from kills. I don't know, it's pretty weird. I'm sure the Phoenix Down owner has a plan, no need to "lynch a Civ" to get a good target. Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

Bingo. If I die then you know I’m a civ and if I come back, that’s good. Is this hard to understand?

Did you... did you misread LC's post? O.o

I think he's agreeing and then directing his question at the naysayers.

Pretty sure both h=e and nutella took the part of the post they wanted to highlight, and ignored the rest.

This is Yun Qui nutella but without the unbreakable townread on anyone. Is it not?

Missed that game, what does that mean about her?

Idle chatter. Meh.


Green in the LC WIFOM legacy. Don't care about this.

Bullzeye/speedchuck's stuff

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Good arguments against Timmer and Colin. Primo garbo in there probably. Mac is town.

Once again, I'll be in the thread tomorrow. I was just catching up before bed. Wanna hear more about Mac's LC suspish.

Ew. Feels like speed forced LC's name into this post, and I don't care for it.

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Long Con:
~insert case here~

How strong does your case feel if Slowner is town?

speed's immediate response to DH suspecting LC was this question. Its intrigue re: LC may less than its intrigue re: Sloonei if speedchuck turns out bad.

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[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I feel better about Owner than Long Con.

speedchuck voted LC briefly with a few hours remaining in D3. It's important to note that a wagon hadn't really formed yet (to my memory), and he ended up moving his vote anyway to me and later Glorfindel (before ending the day on LC -- to be discussed later). This doesn't move me either way.

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I trust Long Con less than I did when the day began. Whatever doubts I have stem from here. Someone argue with those points while I am in class.

But you said nice things about me in that post.

Right. Those are doubts about lynching you.

Those are pretty good doubts though

His conviction in that vote must have been very low, because he was supportive of the doubts I raised about an LC lynch as I explored my own read. I don't care for this, because I didn't even think the arguments were that great -- it was why I brought them back and asked for feedback.

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This is Yun Qui nutella but without the unbreakable townread on anyone. Is it not?

Missed that game, what does that mean about her?

I specifically remember Nutella being super aggressive in that game and waffling on and off whether she thought I was scum. I was not alone in that position, I don't think.

She also read TH as good no matter what even when he was bad. She picked out the rest of the scum team pretty well in late game.

Idle babble about nutella in a different game, while he was presently voting for the guy. This is awkward.

When he switched his vote to me, he included LC in the good side of a POE list. I don't know how that happened. A conflicted read is not the same thing as "you're not in my suspect pool anymore". Not into it, brev.

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[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

JJJ is probably scum. Glorf is not. JJJ knows glorf better than me. He's defending Glorf for townie points or from genuineness, not to decieve. Either way, Glorf has to be town.

JJJ and glorf are NOOOOT W/W. Impossible. I promise.

Okay, I guess I have to vote for LC now, but I am going to shit in JJJ's corn flakes as I do so.

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Conclusion

I think speedchuck emerges looking worse. A number of small or moderate points add up to a distinctly negative sum.

[DharmaHelper]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Didn't the rezz say Phoenix?

[timmer]

So, some thoughts... we've got Quin and speed's info clashing. We've got poutanko suddenly revealing cop-a-bilities which suddenly cast doubt on speed. This is very convenient. But... if speed is right, this means the baddies told one of their members (Pout) to torpedo themselves in order to get him lynched, which would be radical.

If speed is a baddie, what does this mean? If the baddies have a watching power, they watched their own baddie member to see who kills him? Why? They would assume that I was going to do the kill, right? Why waste a night on confirming what you already sort of knew? Unless due to night 1 results they guessed that there is a second vig? In which case, why come out publicly that you watched LC and know the person is out there? That's primo baddie team private info. They would just quietly NK that person tonight. So why this whole charade, if speed is bad? They risk that person coming out publicly and then getting protected tonight somehow.

either way looks weird as hell.

[Quin]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Didn't the rezz say Phoenix?

Yes, but the stone thematically fits a rezz too. Technically a temporary rezz but that depends on how close DDL matched items to their use in the books.

[Jackofhearts2005]

House cup results for Day/Night 3!

Just like in the books, when you take the protagonists out of the equation, the winner is...

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Slytherin!

Please pick one of the items in the first page, folks.

@sprityo
@Jackofhearts2005
@karavalenge
@timmer

Fuck yeah. Who wants to be my new roomie?

maybe if you ever had anything remotely interesting to say ever

I saw you mentioned me and I was like “I’ve scumread Nutella all game but it would be funny to be masoned with her for a phase.”

Imagine my disappointment.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, Kyle is more fun than all of you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh and [VOTE: INH] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Didn't the rezz say Phoenix?

Yes, but the stone thematically fits a rezz too. Technically a temporary rezz but that depends on how close DDL matched items to their use in the books.

I'll concede that. But also if the Ressurection Stone was responsible would DDL have included the bit about the [Phoenix]? This not being a bastard game.

[Quin]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Didn't the rezz say Phoenix?

Yes, but the stone thematically fits a rezz too. Technically a temporary rezz but that depends on how close DDL matched items to their use in the books.

I'll concede that. But also if the Ressurection Stone was responsible would DDL have included the bit about the [Phoenix]? This not being a bastard game.

Oh, yeah I'm being dumb. I forgot it was a Phoenix and thought you were talking about the Phoenix rezz as a whole.

I mean...what are the chances a scum rolled with a rezz? You're right that it seems bastardy.

[Quin]

@ whoever rezzed INH

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. And you're fucking nuts.

[timmer]

I think it's entirely possible that the rezz was a gift to compensate for some people APPARENTLY threatening to quit mafia forever in a huff. It's only a guess, but it would certainly be an understandable way to do it. An outed civ ruins a day for the baddies? here, have a rezz that fucks up a day for the good team.

[DharmaHelper]

Ironically I would be more upset if the rezz was compensation for the baddies than I was about the Poo-Pooing and the huffing and puffing and all that shit.

I don't think it *was* compensation, but if it was, Major primo garbo.

[Quin]

I dunno. I've never witnessed a host directly interfere like that. If it was a rezz designed to punish us I think he'd have straight up said it too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and Owner/Sloonei

Long Con's stuff

Long Con's support of nutella's observation of salad came at Owner's expense. One must note that LC handed my salad accusation against INH in much the same way.

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Owner - last time I played with her and she's scum, she didn't tunnel this much. Her reasoning is weird tho but she's always weird by default

Can you link to that game please?

Irrelevant to me, but maybe y'all care.

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Disagree about Owner. I don't think it was a scumslip, as I said before, I believe the mix-up because I did the same thing. Just not in a post.

The rising Turnip Head suspicion makes me look at the Luna-TH interaction with a more critical eye, and it could be teammate-distancing. Her comment on JJJ doesn't have the same feel to it, I don't get a distancing vibe there. I could see Luna-TH as w/w, but not really feeling the Luna/JJJ w/w. The "preemptive excuse" idea does have some merit as well.

Also dude, learn the vote tages. You can't be opening a "[ vote" without doing it right: "[ vote ]Lunalee[ /vote ]"

In response to the discussion of Owner potentially slipping, LC stood in her defense. I don't think this is necessarily some terrible thing, as TMI is as believable as protection of a teammate. This in isolation doesn't move me.

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Can you read him? I'm asking for a friend. He did one thing I liked in the game that poutanko linked, so maybe that will happen again. But he's really null most of the time.

Speaking of that game, poutanko linked it as a game where you were scum, but when I looked, you were Independent. Poutanko gave you a Civ read, as I recall, based on that game having you as "scum who didn't tunnel this much". What do you think of that analysis? Also, are you tunneling?

LC tossed Owner a couple of softball questions here. Not my favorite thing. This just provides her with something to talk about that wouldn't be likely to amount to much of anything.

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Sorry for The Rush vote, just made it here on time to see turn its head and owner tied, and I don't think owner is bad, and turnip head just might be. Also I want his Hallows if possible.

Vote turnip-head

LC went to a lot of trouble to explain this vote for TH. He was concrete in saying he didn't believe Owner to be bad, and I can't really tell how he [pretended to] arrive at this conclusion. Pursuing a hallow might be an authentic thing, but given his own posts prior to this I think it looks like he wants to vote Not Owner. So that's not ideal for present-day Sloonei.

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I think Colin is scum. Even before the flip, he was setting this up.

If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.

He read me town for a little bit, but the instant things started going south for me he quickly did what felt like a 180 to me and pushed for my lynch.

Or basically, this whole if-then situation is particularly bad when both wagons are positioned on good players, which I feel like Colin knows this.

This is something that I will include in my own opinions. Good find.

This piggy-back is rather blatant. Barely a decent look for Sloonei.

LC mentions Owner numerous times in this post, but incidentally so as he is taking to/about Luna. I don't know what to do with this. I will do nothing.

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This really looks like Owner both is scum and has a Deathly Hallow and got mixed up cause it was altogether in their role card.

It's also possible that they're just confused because the ruleset is really confusing.

This post looks like you think Owner is scum (despite the allowance for confusion due to confusing), but when Owner was on the chopping block, you didn't have a vote on her. You didn't vote for anyone, actually.

Would you have voted for Owner?

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

This one kind of bears the appearance of TMI, but not in the usual way. It looks like Long Con knows Owner is scum and is setting up karavalenge to look like a butt if she gets lynched.

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We have three replacements. Everyone tell me about them.

Sloonei is town. Sprityo and speed2.0 haven't done anything yet. I have a reason to think that speed2.0's player slot is town. I don't have any reason to think sprityo is town.

Sloonei townslipped. Sprityo has said nothing. Speed 2.0 has suspicion of Glorf and nutella, which I think is pretty healthy. I see from his ISO that he is the one who already called out nutella's Player Salad post, and that puts him a little in the green, salad pun intended.

dum

LC places Sloonei at orange in his WIFOM rainbow. Perhaps to my own detriment, I actually find this interesting. LC had been giving Slowner a civilian nod for much of the game, and this represents a turn. I wonder if he WIFOMed himself in his effort to WIFOM everyone else, because there's no need or reason for this placement. That would suggest that some unseen strategy underlies it, and that's not a good thing.

Owner/Sloonei's stuff

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unrelated, I might have a town read on Long Con.
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"Unrelated" is right. Yikes. Check the post in its full context to see why I find it to be yikes.

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What’s the short version of the case on Long Con?

He bad.

How did we all reach this conclusion?

He survived a lynch. There are no town powers that allow that.

Why was he being lynched in the first place?

Fair questions for a replacement trying to get a clue. I don't know that Sloonei did anything with them though. He ended up voting for Jack and was the only one to do so. That isn't not Sloonei-like.

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Conclusion

This is a net negative for Slowner.

[DharmaHelper]

Wow you don't say.

[DharmaHelper]

Hey you know what would be cool would be if the fallback wagon was Sloonei and not Speedchuck.

[speedchuck]

Hey you know what would be cool would be if the fallback wagon was Sloonei and not Speedchuck.

That would be neat.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey you know what would be cool would be if the fallback wagon was Sloonei and not Speedchuck.

I think they both look bad, and one of them is red checked. What do you think of speedchuck?

[DharmaHelper]

Hey you know what would be cool would be if the fallback wagon was Sloonei and not Speedchuck.

I think they both look bad, and one of them is red checked. What do you think of speedchuck?

I could dial in on him in a read tomorrow. He's Bullzeye now, right?

[speedchuck]

Hallows wouldn't thematically explain it, and there aren't any civilian secrets. That leaves three explanations afaik.

1. I'm a dirty rotten liar and deep down I know I deserve to be punished.
2. speedchuck is a dirty rotten liar and deep down he knows he deserves to be punished.
3. There's a redirection hidden behind the secrets of the mafia team.

I'm leaning #2.

If number 3 is true, then it's probable that scum killed scum (Because of your power, it couldn't be a civ vig, so that leaves room only for redirect screwery) and that would nail us a confirmed baddie.

So yeah, I might be holding onto a confirmed baddie. I want to figure that out before day end.

If we hash this out while I'm alive, then after I die, people will trust me in retrospect and have a scumfirm. Yeah?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey you know what would be cool would be if the fallback wagon was Sloonei and not Speedchuck.

I think they both look bad, and one of them is red checked. What do you think of speedchuck?

I could dial in on him in a read tomorrow. He's Bullzeye now, right?

That's him.

[Quin]

Hallows wouldn't thematically explain it, and there aren't any civilian secrets. That leaves three explanations afaik.

1. I'm a dirty rotten liar and deep down I know I deserve to be punished.
2. speedchuck is a dirty rotten liar and deep down he knows he deserves to be punished.
3. There's a redirection hidden behind the secrets of the mafia team.

I'm leaning #2.

If number 3 is true, then it's probable that scum killed scum (Because of your power, it couldn't be a civ vig, so that leaves room only for redirect screwery) and that would nail us a confirmed baddie.

So yeah, I might be holding onto a confirmed baddie. I want to figure that out before day end.

If we hash this out while I'm alive, then after I die, people will trust me in retrospect and have a scumfirm. Yeah?

It could be a civ vig. I only protected against Dark Arts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and poutanko

Long Con's stuff

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Owner - last time I played with her and she's scum, she didn't tunnel this much. Her reasoning is weird tho but she's always weird by default

Can you link to that game please?

Nothing.

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Speaking of that game, poutanko linked it as a game where you were scum, but when I looked, you were Independent. Poutanko gave you a Civ read, as I recall, based on that game having you as "scum who didn't tunnel this much". What do you think of that analysis? Also, are you tunneling?

When LC tossed Owner the aforementioned softballs, it involved prodding her to talk about poutanko's meta commentary. I kinda get the impression poutanko is in this dialogue incidentally, and that LC didn't have a specific design for her in referencing her material. It's a small point, but it's something.

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K, so my Pat's game is over, so I can get back to this.

Guys, I always write the way I write in this game. I don't like to push ideas if I'm unsure of them, so I always make clear that I'm unsure. It's how ive always posted in mafia. So if you are going to lynch me for it, honestly I'm prob done for good. This is the very reason ive gone such long stretches without playing, this happens every fucking time.

And long con, really? That post of mine that you said you found troublesome? I was describing my job. I was at work. Its what I do.

I'm sorry I have no major ideas to push. I'm clearly not cut out for this.

The only useful thing I can tell you is that there really may be something to the idea that the dead baddies aren't necessarily bad. And there may be a serial killer attached to it.

Duuude, I was kidding around. I'm not going to vote you because you are a psycho killer in REAL LIFE. This is Mafia.

Seriously, that wasn't me coming after you. Like I said after reading your ISO, I don't suspect you.

Explain how?

Well, I looked at each of his posts as "does this look like it comes from a Civ perspective?" and I was pretty satisfied with his level of quality information seeking, pressure applying, and reactions.

Is there a different kind of explanation you need? Are you saying that Timmer's posts are so malodorous that any reading should send my finger to his voting button?

This communication is pretty low-pressure. Part of me feels this looks like LC explaining himself to someone who doesn't already have the answers (which would be good for poutanko), but I am not quite willing to take that leap. There's not enough here.

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@Long ConPoint out which posts of his that look good to you. You didn't even think about how weird him vouching for Bullz just like that? Why?

Well, I don't know why you'd say I "didn't even think about" his Bullz vouch, when I specifically pinpointed that as the most interesting part of the ISO. But ok, I'll have a look and let you into my mindset. Gimme a min.

This is pretty much the same.

Middle green in the WIFOM list. Don't care.

poutanko's stuff

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LongCon
What he said about Bullzeye and him thinking those who sussed Bull as weird make his reaction the weird one to me. Which part of Bull's post/vote timing/vote choice that looks normal to him?

poutanko gave LC some crap for his handling of Bullzeye's D1 vote. It looks okay I guess.

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@poutanko, I can see in your post history general trajectories and with them may come implied reads, but there isn't total clarity.

Who do you most trust?

Who do you least trust?

Multiple names per question would be super.

I'll go with what I feel/impression I got. I haven't ISOed anyone again.
Most:
Colin still
nutella - actually looks like female Colin but then D2 happened. I haven't reread her posts but the general feel about her is still the same as my initial impression I got from her.
MacD - looks like lazy Colin, Colin is more hyper? this one is lazier.
kara - frustrated newbie town, I will feel easier about her if she starts posting again.
Luna - should be Town looking at her interaction with INH and their tone, not as easy as my initial feel of her.

Least:
Bullz/Speed 2.0 - I don't trust him still. I was thinking timmer/bullz/LC could be team mates (with timmer vouching Bullz after novase flip -unexpected judging from the reaction- and LC looking like he's trying to lessen the pressure on Bullz by brushing it off as something normal). Timmer's claim sounds genuine, I still feel uneasy with the other 2.
LongCon - on and off town/scum feel. His reaction on Bullz vote was not what I expected. People sussing Bullz for his weird vote on Novase is what I think would be the normal reaction, not his.
DH/you gave me uneasy feeling. Both of you are vet players/oldfags. DH just fooled me completely on Outpost. Nothing look sus if I think about it but something doesn't feel right.
Glorf - your creepy fan
timmer was here but his claim and the way he said it feels genuine.

When I asked poutanko for most and least trusted players, he included LC among the latter group (still citing the Bullzeye stuff). Sure.

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Conclusion

As you can see by the boring text sizes, none of this makes me feel much of anything. If I force myself to take a stance, I'll say it's better than nothing for poutanko.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

[nutella]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I saw this while compiling another interaction, and I think I missed it in my LC/speedzeye review. So here you go. You don't need more of my takes. Give me your takes. What does this say to you, dear reader?

[nutella]

I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I saw this while compiling another interaction, and I think I missed it in my LC/speedzeye review. So here you go. You don't need more of my takes. Give me your takes. What does this say to you, dear reader?

:hahah:

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and Lunalee

Long Con's stuff

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Disagree about Owner. I don't think it was a scumslip, as I said before, I believe the mix-up because I did the same thing. Just not in a post.

The rising Turnip Head suspicion makes me look at the Luna-TH interaction with a more critical eye, and it could be teammate-distancing. Her comment on JJJ doesn't have the same feel to it, I don't get a distancing vibe there. I could see Luna-TH as w/w, but not really feeling the Luna/JJJ w/w. The "preemptive excuse" idea does have some merit as well.

Also dude, learn the vote tages. You can't be opening a "[ vote" without doing it right: "[ vote ]Lunalee[ /vote ]"

LC weighed in on some D1 dichotomy he created between Luna and TH and ends up suggesting the two of them could be distancing from each other. This is made-up-shit of the highest order such that any strategy beyond "make other people look bad" seems to have no role -- which would be decent for Luna.

*clicks page 2 of LC's posts and searches Luna, finds 64 results*

Huge post in which LC reviews Luna. This seems to go nowhere, as a concrete stance never arrives other than a single instance of LC calling one of her posts "solid" and a single diss about her reads on Epi and Owner. Again, LC is using Luna as a springboard to generate fake stuff to look like he's hunting. I think it's a nice look on her, because most bad guys aren't going to use their own teammates for this purpose. WIFOM though, etc, blah blah.

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I would put Luna as Orange Skittle on the rainbow list, based on this.

The review didn't make Luna seem very orange to me. Convenient.

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I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I'm going to leave my vote on Lunalee for now, although I could put it on kara if it came down to it. I'll try to be here before it comes down to it, to ensure I have my vote on a player that is relevant come lynch end. Maybe even get another crack at a Deathly Hallows, who knows?

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

Long Con voted Luna on D2. His final vote ended up on INH. In conjunction with the content that preceded it, I think LC felt in the moment that this was his most justified vote -- and he definitely worked hard to ensure it'd be that way.

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Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.

Prototypical player salad. Y'all want a definition? This is the definition, or at least of the manner of salad that has most frequently caught bad guys in my experience. Put it in the encyclopedia.

"I would be willing to lynch X, Y, Z, or maaaaaaybe W" is literally how I have described player salad in the past.

Reeaal. Also he ignored my (+your) testimony that Luna's behavior is not indicative of a mafia alignment.

I noticed that as well - your ideas sounded sure, and believable, though I haven't checked it out for myself in Luna's other games yet.

I'm happy to put a vote on [VOTE: INH] aubergine instead.

He peeled off of that vote in response to nutella's comments here, when she was critical of INH for his own handling of Luna. It may be important here that LC and INH were teammates, and when LC saw his teammate drawing nutella's ire for going after Luna LC felt the need to be different from INH. Again, I think this all works nicely for Luna. I grant that there are a lot of moving pieces, so I hope others will chime in with disagreements if they have them.

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RIP Civs, and great job vig again! Or alternate vig?

[VOTE: jigglyjameeljafar] aubergine

he's most likely inh teammate fight me

Why?
Day 1, Jay built a case against INH and voted for him.
Jay calls INH out for his player salad, which included Jay
There are multiple other interactions of Jay quoting INH and calling him bad.
So I don't see it.

nutella you going to respond? This JJJ vote of yours is spicy and fun, but could use some savoury goodness. Here's the opportunity to try out your new recipe.

LC uses Luna's defenses of me to prod nutella, and it kind of has a patronizing tone (nutella's suspicion of me is cute but unfounded, look here at Lunalee's important points to the contrary). This may not mean much, but I think there's potential for others to take more from it.


Lengthy exchange with nutella about Luna -- nutella made a lot of the same assertions I am making right now about LC in this dialogue, and LC tried to explain himself thoroughly. This might say more about nutella, but it continues to fit within a civilian-Luna narrative.


Middle green in the WIFOM rainbow. Don't care.

Lunalee's stuff

She colors LC middle green in her D3 rainbow after having initially forgotten to include him. I barely care.

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Town: DH, timmer, Jay, Epi, Glorf, Sloonei

Luna and LC are baddies

Later nerds

...because I think he's town when there's currently a majority vote on him? I've looked back over Long Con's posts, and nothing he's said sticks out to me as "bad"

Oops. If she's his teammate she sure didn't try very hard to sell this point.

timmer voiced concerns about LC and Luna supported them (in this post bringing LC's relevant post back into the dialogue. This doesn't mean much to me given that it originated with timmer.

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Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.

This kinda makes me feel icky. It's after LC's failed lynch, so take it with whatever grains of salt you feel appropriate.

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Conclusion

Overall this is positive for Lunalee. Only the last post there makes me wonder.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and MacDougall

Long Con's stuff

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This game has too many players.

You're right, let's lynch one. Who should it be? Did... did you say it should be you?

k

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That said, I kind of suspect Colin and Mac for jumping on it.

Maybe I'll just shut up and wait for bullzeye to respond.

LC was firmly planted in both camps simultaneously during the Bullzeye D1 vote saga, and Mac got one gripe in the midst of it. Don't care. More. More.

We have Limp Bizkit banter in my Mafia game thread. Burn them both.

They have a brief spat about Mac calling nutella arrogant. This is silly slip type stuff and I think it's a decent look for Mac. LC tried to capitalize on an oopsie.

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Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

Why are you acting like it's impossible for civilians to do things right?

Jeez that's a leap of logic.

It's not that far-fetched that a Civ vig kills baddies the first two nights. Like, it doesn't happen often, but that doesn't mean we can just assume it never happens.

LC and Mac chattered about this nonsense for a bit. Don't care. There are numerous other related posts I am not going to copy/paste.

Light orange in the WIFOM rainbow. The other two people colored that way are civilians, so...

MacDougall's stuff

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So let me just open this here Google doc that is called "Hoo Bad" and see what wine drunk Mac thought about the game.

Bullzeye = Meh
LC = Scrotum
Lunalee = Scummmm
Nutella = scummmmm
Lapluie = LOL scum probs
Timer - baddd

There we have it folks.

This right here is that one post where Mac's read on LC was "scrotum".

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The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

k

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Did I hear someone say Long Con as Mafia is debunked?

No but do you have reason to believe so?

No. I think he bad actually.

Word.

Mac includes LC among a few players that he feels are maintaining some presence without the necessary effort to show for it. True enough, though all the names included here dilutes the value of the post in this context.

Bottom tier of suspicion in a D3 colorless rainbow. Word.

Mac specifically asked us to remember the nutella/arrogant exchange. Hey Mac! I remembered it!

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Conclusion

As always for a player with generally short posts, drawing concrete conclusions is difficult. On balance though I'll give Mac a point or two.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and nutella

Long Con's stuff

PLAYER SALAD! Long Con reacts with enthusiasm to nutella pointing out potential salad from Owner. He did the same thing when I pointed it out re: INH. Decent look.

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So you didn't really have a breakdown? Is it true what nutella said about the situation?

Oh I certainly have, it is true. I wouldn’t want to dramatize things though. I still have my mental faculties most days

That was supposed to be a and the error ruined the aesthetics of my post

Oh, I quite liked the aesthetics as they are.

I just want to be clear though: I asked that question to get your opinion on nutella.

Long Con prodded me for my read on nutella. I responded quickly and he did nothing with it. That would suggest he didn't actually care about my read on nutella, which would be nice for her. Faker or not, he would likely have some vested interest in how I read his teammate.

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Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.

Prototypical player salad. Y'all want a definition? This is the definition, or at least of the manner of salad that has most frequently caught bad guys in my experience. Put it in the encyclopedia.

"I would be willing to lynch X, Y, Z, or maaaaaaybe W" is literally how I have described player salad in the past.

Reeaal. Also he ignored my (+your) testimony that Luna's behavior is not indicative of a mafia alignment.

I noticed that as well - your ideas sounded sure, and believable, though I haven't checked it out for myself in Luna's other games yet.

I'm happy to put a vote on [VOTE: INH] aubergine instead.

As I mentioned in the Luna review, LC fled from his Luna vote to an INH vote when he observed how nutella handled INH's own Luna vote. He was shook, cuz nutella hella scary. Good look.

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RIP Civs, and great job vig again! Or alternate vig?

[VOTE: jigglyjameeljafar] aubergine

he's most likely inh teammate fight me

Why?
Day 1, Jay built a case against INH and voted for him.
Jay calls INH out for his player salad, which included Jay
There are multiple other interactions of Jay quoting INH and calling him bad.
So I don't see it.

nutella you going to respond? This JJJ vote of yours is spicy and fun, but could use some savoury goodness. Here's the opportunity to try out your new recipe.

Nice silly tinfoil you silly civilian, what a silly read you have there, why don't you check out these points against your tinfoil you goof?

Good.

It was important to LC that nutella understand what he was doing with Luna. It looks like he was talking to someone who cannot understand more deeply what he intended, as in there's no BTSC.

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We have three replacements. Everyone tell me about them.

Sloonei is town. Sprityo and speed2.0 haven't done anything yet. I have a reason to think that speed2.0's player slot is town. I don't have any reason to think sprityo is town.

Sloonei townslipped. Sprityo has said nothing. Speed 2.0 has suspicion of Glorf and nutella, which I think is pretty healthy. I see from his ISO that he is the one who already called out nutella's Player Salad post, and that puts him a little in the green, salad pun intended.

speed 2.0's suspicion of nutella is "healthy", because...? K.

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Lol yeah this is not a town mac. [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

Yes it is you arrogant twerp

Why is it arrogant of her?

Because I am mad and say angry things

No, I mean... nutella is arrogant to dictate what is or isn't town Mac. Is nutella a Civ then?

I don't have the liberty of knowing her alignment Long Con.

Just that arrogance of that type doesn't translate to a baddie. A baddie knows who's Civ, so it's not arrogance to label people, it's TMI.

I think you just accidentally revealed nutella is Civ.

I think you just accidentally revealed nutella is Civ.

Lengthy chatter about Colin and rezgate. Don't care.

Top green in the WIFOM rainbow. *deeeeeep breath* Don't care.

nutella's stuff

LC is town in her D2 GTHs. Oh well.

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I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I'm going to leave my vote on Lunalee for now, although I could put it on kara if it came down to it. I'll try to be here before it comes down to it, to ensure I have my vote on a player that is relevant come lynch end. Maybe even get another crack at a Deathly Hallows, who knows?

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

Do you think luna and kara could be scummates?

This question is a bit softball.

Long Con and others are ON NOTICE on D3. k

lol *clap emoji*

I don't feel like continuing this. I have plenty.

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Conclusion

nutella emerges looking stupendous.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and Quin

Long Con's stuff

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I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

on what planet would epis post actually be a problem though

You tell me.

Jupiter?

Great choice.

Nothing.

There are a lot of incidental mentions of Quin on page 2 of Long Con's ISO that I have ignored, because none of them interest me. Click if you care.

Middle green in the WIFOM rainbow. *spells out with armpit farts* d-o-n-t-c-a-r-e

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Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

This.

This whole thing with Colin was silly, so I give Quin a meh for contributing to it alongside Long Con.

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big post with long con in it

I didn't get that subtle defence or whatever from LC at all. Dunno how you interpreted it that way.

So anyway why isn't your vote on Colin? same goes for Long Con

because you're bad

Quin stood in LC's court when he got shit from nutella. He is assertive in his language, but doesn't explain himself much.

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Conclusion

Purely by interactions I have no reason to give Quin credit. Obviously the night action shit y'all are babbling about is of some relevance. I have paid very little attention to that to this point, so shrug.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and Jackofhearts2005

Long Con's stuff

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[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

That's pretty rude.

But like otherwise, I’d have LC’s deathly hallow if he had one.

What? You dirty son of a bitch. I don't even have a Hallow so screw you!

Help the Civs!

Nothing.

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LC = scrotum ... I am not entirely sure what that means.

I've been called out as scum before but I gotta say, I've never been called out as scrotum before.

Must mean I'm a better mafia player than Long Con

I'm just a big ol' ballsack, yup. But I'm a Civ ballsack.

Just a big ol' ballsack. More nothing.

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I just read through Jack's ISO and though there were lots of jokey posts there were also posts with content. I couldn't fine anything that made me suspicious and I agree with one of his good reads, Luna. Anyone want to speak to signs of bad Jack?

Also, in reading Jack I noticed that timmer had made a point about Soneji that I brought up in my summary of why I was voting for him. Sorry timmer I should have credited you but I had forgotten you had made the point.

Jack is kind of like McDougall or turnip head to me, liking to do whatever the hell they want and then suddenly pulling a one-eighty and laying down some sick Mafia insight and catching Baddies. During that IDGAF time, it's hard for me to alignment read them, mostly they just look bad to me but I know that's just their schtick.

I forget his Luna opinion, when you say it's one of his Good reads, do you mean it's a civ read or it's a really good Mafia read?

LC provided this non-read take on Jack's meta along with Mac and TH. It means little to me.

Top green in the WIFOM rainbow. Dön't câre

Jack's stuff

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[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

That's pretty rude.

But the deathly hallows.

I didn't even notice the vote before when I posted this. It's a thing. I kinda barely care in a negative way, but only kinda barely.

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In all seriousness though, lit!timmer might have a point. Even regardless of owner's alignment I could read LC as bad. Looking at his ISO I'ma just pull out the top 3 most suspicious posts at face value:

here
and here
are two examples of eager-as-a-puppy hopping onto other people's potential easy reasons to go after someone

and this
could be what some like to call the "caught for the wrong reasons" tell


ok that was a fun exercise but from looking through his ISO I think he has more posts that leave me with town feelings than posts that don't what might merit deeper analysis is his d2 case against Luna that he seemed pretty confident in a while but he eventually switched to INH, and that could be teammate compatible since I think he'd have reason to be confident that an INH lynch wasn't going to take flight by that point

Well, at least it means LC unlikely teamed with Nutella, Luna, Owner.

I'm struggling to pst what I wantto say properly, I'm a bit lit.

I'll write it better tomorrow but I'm hot liking long con s vote history and vote timing... I think it is vey possible he saved owner day 1. I think his inh vote needs more study too. He's been very manipulative with his voting strategy and his early stated aim to be hallow hunting makes for easy cover for those late votes

I'll try to lay it out better tomorrow

Well, it's very '100% accurate' that I saved Owner on Day 1, not just 'possible'. It was tied between Owner and TH, and I voted TH in the last minute. I don't think the INH vote was that late... it was late in my personal timeline, but there were a couple of hours left in the lynch, and I wasn't in contention for any Hallows that time.

Lay it out better tomorrow, Lit.

Yeah, LC/Owner not w/w.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], it appears we disagree on this dynamic. Can you state your present feelings and expand?

They talked a bit about Sloonei "townslipping" and it went nowhere.

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Conclusion

The points made here aren't terribly moving, but they are a slight negative for Jack.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was hoping to finish these tonight, but I am too tired. Bye.

[Sloonei]

For what it’s worth I asked my questions about Long Con after the day had ended. He was dead before there was anything I could have done with the line of questioning.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For what it’s worth I asked my questions about Long Con after the day had ended. He was dead before there was anything I could have done with the line of questioning.

hunt

[MacDougall]

If I die all vigs better target INH to make use of the wasted day phase

This is one of those things only Mafia say

[MacDougall]

So wait the crowd that thinks INH was rezzed in order to perpetrate some kinda fuckery doesn't think Poutanko suddenly "coming out" with this "claimerino" doesn't count as "some kind of fuckery"

Mkay.

Yeah pretty much.

[MacDougall]

Hey you know what would be cool would be if the fallback wagon was Sloonei and not Speedchuck.

I will have you know that I scum read Sloonei before he was even in the game.

[MacDougall]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

Agreeliarmus!

[ColinIsCool]

Hey yall remember that time LC saved Owner and then defended her a bunch and also said Sloonei townslipped lol good times amirite.

We can only lynch one person at a time DH, but believe you me, I got bad desires.

[ColinIsCool]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

Agreed. Dumbish comparison but it reminds me of One Hour Werewolf where Speed knew he’d been found out and started maneuvering around it.

[sprityo]

[juliets]

good morning everyone -

sprityo, any thoughts this morning?

[sprityo]

I called Speedchuck our on being mafia like 3 pages ago and it got swept under the rug like an unwanted stepchild

Other than that, I’m on my way to work and it’s a bit chilly outside

[juliets]

I wasn't active last night mostly because I was immersed in election results and had a disappointing game night which kinda got my head out of the game. I did skim what was happening. I feel much better today though, the game goes on.

I totally agree with Jay's statement about speed's reaction to a red check. I think most people would be reacting with more emotion. I'm somewhat confused though about one thing: what is the tangle regarding what speed and Quin are claiming about their night actions? I got confused somehow reading through it I'm also torn about whether to vote speed or INH today. Are those of you voting speed doing so because you're afraid INH has a lynch protect a la LC? Or is there another reason you consider him more dangerous. Apologies if I missed the explanation.

I don't have time this morning to publish a list of who's currently in and out of my POE but I will do it when I get home from work, hopefully around 3:00.

[juliets]

I had time after all. Note this list may change - just because someone is out of the POE right now doesn't mean they will stay out. Depends on future behavior. And obviously people can and should move up to civ.

I'm reading these people as civ (these are not in any particular order):

Jay
nutella
DH
Mac
poutanko
Quin
Colin
kara

Unsure about:

Jack
Luna - she's right on the line, I will try to clear her next
Sloonei
sprityo
timmer - I thought I had cleared him but then something happened - need to re-read soon

Pretty sure he's bad and know he's bad:

speed
INH

[Jackofhearts2005]

Trading to [VOTE: SPEED] aubergine wagon for now, I guess

If you did that in a dream you could call it an REM speedwagon

[Lunalee]

I was hoping to finish these tonight, but I am too tired. Bye.

Hey, I noticed some strange interactions between Long Con and Bullz that you pulled back up in both mine and Nutella's analyses. Since you're away, I want to go ahead and pull those up.

[speedchuck]

It could be a civ vig. I only protected against Dark Arts.

Oh? Not just negative abilities?

...

Okay.

I'm curious as to how you were misdirected without dark arts involved, but I'll leave the other person as a townfirm for now.