Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

[Jackofhearts2005]

unvote Scotty

Vote INH

His only defense (bonus: from other players) is WIFOM.

Yeah, maybe a bad townie but where is he now? Only scumhunted a player I'm convinced is town.

Most importantly, my role card doesn't say INH is town.

[speedchuck]

I'm trying to find the case on Jack.

I found a post from sloonei setting out marmot/jack interactions and saying he could see a jack vote. He referenced Jay's case on Jack. I can't find Jay's case, if it exists. I can find Jay talking about what he perceives to be unnatural progressions, and perhaps it has something to do with EoD 2.

Can anyone voting for Jack tell me, in their own words, why they think he is worth a vote?

It's an okay case.

Basically, more than once, Jack has had interesting and polarizing reads/theories/statements. Then he keeps gravitating toward the mass opinion, the safe opinion. (There are exceptions, and I think I'm one of them)

Here is my post where I voted Jack:

What do you think of jack?

Not great.

Note the extreme tone difference between my question and Quinn's accusation.

Also note that I have disagreed with the Dizzy lynch and put him as town. While Quin, INH and MM were after Dizzy, I was voting Scotty. Was gonna answer Quin's question towards me on Dizzy but figured I'd just clutter the thread with more linkis. Was sure she was town. Had already said so.

Can we be friends again?

Coming back with a full rainbow in a couple hours.

This post makes me feel happy/nervous.
Like, it's a reasonable come-around and I was hoping for it, but also feels suspiciously like backtracking in a slow way to avoid town wrath.
Sry Jack I am catching up and making notes about shifts like this and whatnot. Not necessarily wanting to murder your face yet.
But this post is important.

This, combined with my earlier saying that there is a scum in Golden/JJJ/Jack/Strawhenge (That was a gut feel.)
Good feelings about Golden right now.
Strawhenge is gone.
JJJ just got cleared.

Jack, today at least, seemed like he was going along with Quin (possibly misinformed towny, it's hard to read someone when you don't understand their thought process) without committing too hard, seeing if the lynch could be pushed toward Sloonei/other people that lynched mM.
Other days I've been iffy about him.
Strong anti-alignment with JJJ.
As Sloonei just pointed out, he's been iffy toward Marmot.
I could vote for Jack. What are the votals at?

Secondary suspicions that I want to iron out at the moment:
INH (I lumped him with mm yesterday, because they were buddying insanely. Could be scum taking town town with them, or... blatant buddying. Everything else was blatant at EOD.
Fredwood (Sorry, I've read you as town all game, but if Jack is bad, gotta reeval)
Soneji
Mayybe long con

Scotty isn't entirely in the clear, but I like his posts enough at the moment to not kick up a fuss over giving him time to use his role.

It's a lot of different small things.

But INH is a better vote, based on yesterday's actions and flip alone. People seem to be ignoring him, which is weird.

[Fredwood]

Don't know if that's the right Gif to convey...but it came up and amused me when I searched for Gifs from that show

It's perfect, except it's not moving. [/quote]




Yeah had to find a new link of it that old one fooled me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.

Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty

Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood

How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?

Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.

Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)

Quin?

nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.

And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?

Who are my teammates? Scotty, Sloonei and Fred?

Name one player you honestly think could be my scum teammate.

metalmarsh89

For anyone keeping score at home, this is the point where Quin fell into the orange.

I remember tunneling town(ish) Quin. Not lazy town Quin.

[Dyslexicon]

Vote insertnamehere

This is something I want to tussle about. Also, I'm back, baby. Done with my things for now, ready to vote all over the place.

I will be disappointed if you don't hammer scum in the last minute. And I will certainly scum read you for doing or not doing it.

Gotta admit, I love having you in this game, even if you constantly want to kill me.

Aw. And same - and your likability adds to my suspicion tbh.

Read this if you're scum:

Spoiler: show

Read this if you're town:

Spoiler: show

[Fredwood]

Lynch INH


I said I would lynch him so I guess I should, even if it looks like a superwagon at this point.

Also, Pink cus Fuck you that's why.

[Quin]

Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.

Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty

Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood

How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?

Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.

Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)

Quin?

nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.

And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?

Who are my teammates? Scotty, Sloonei and Fred?

Name one player you honestly think could be my scum teammate.

metalmarsh89

For anyone keeping score at home, this is the point where Quin fell into the orange.

I remember tunneling town(ish) Quin. Not lazy town Quin.

I don't need to have an argument about who your teammates are to find you suspicious.

[speedchuck]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

[nutella]

I'm pretty confused at the sudden influx of INH votes. I'm still pretty convinced that his behavior was not that of a marmot teammate. I could be wrong but I thought there was a pretty good reason we all backed off from him.

[Golden]

But INH is a better vote, based on yesterday's actions and flip alone. People seem to be ignoring him, which is weird.

Just from externally (as in, not there in the moment) inh comes out looking worst to me in the marmot vote.

Thanks nut and speed for giving me a little more context to the jack vote. It seems the primary beef against him is that he is blendy and that his opinions don't feel like they have held the weight of conviction behind them. Is that fair?

[Golden]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

I'm not sure why eloh would be the redirector. Wouldn't she have targeted me? I still don't follow this.

[Golden]

I'm pretty confused at the sudden influx of INH votes. I'm still pretty convinced that his behavior was not that of a marmot teammate. I could be wrong but I thought there was a pretty good reason we all backed off from him.

What's the good reason?

[Dyslexicon]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.

[nutella]

Lynch INH


I said I would lynch him so I guess I should, even if it looks like a superwagon at this point.

Also, Pink cus Fuck you that's why.

Y'know, I was gonna let you off the hook if you just didn't vote, because you defended your style of hesitance toward voting. But I found it pretty pingy when you kept saying you had been suspicious of Jack for a while and yet refrained from voting for him. Now you join the INH train. Any fool could see that if Jack's bad you're 100% his teammate.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Golden and Speed

But both the "popular opinion" and "nobody but Jack would kill Nacho cause he's only played in one game" theories have been debunked. I had a clear and unique progression on Quin, Sloonei, Speed and JJJ. Dizzy and Silver, too, though nobody accused me of shifting on them. And of course, this is Macho's third game so that whole tinfoil is ridiculous.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but my only inconsistent and unexplained read to date has been on Scotty, who has hovered from the light green/yellow/orange area.

[Quin]

I don't suspect INH.

The voices in my head told me to say that.

[Dyslexicon]

Lynch Jack

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Quin

But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.

I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.

[Fredwood]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

If Golden was redirected, I wouldn't have been shown being targeted by Eloh. I've been over this with 3 different people, and have kind of given up on the discussion because it appears to be mechanical based culture shock. Twice it was mentioned that they view it as a town Busdrive to counter act mafia one.

I don't see that as a likely, because I doubt it would be a persistent Town Busdrive, and if it wasn't persistent I doubt it would have been wasted on me night one.

2. From my experience I'm not willing to make the Town BD logic leap.

3. It's really annoying because the only person (Eloh's) replacement, now has an easy out to account for the targeting, even though there is literally nothing to suggest what the targeting was, when the more than likely scenario was that Golden was just misdirected and that Eloh was targeting me independently of any Golden based shenanigans. I'm not saying Eloh had anything to answer for, or is likely scum because I was targeted, but we groupdecided without any input or clarifaction that the answer has to be X when Y is just as likely.

[Quin]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.

I think there would be a big balancing issue if there were two roles capable of redirecting targets/roles in some way. If Eloh isn't town, she's either on a second mafia team or indy.

If we're assuming we've got her role pegged right, what's the issue in her picking Golden/Fred/3J if she's picking randomly?

[nutella]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

I'm not sure why eloh would be the redirector. Wouldn't she have targeted me? I still don't follow this.

No, she would have targeted the two players who were switched as targets (JJJ and Fred). If her role works like Marmot's anyway.

I'm pretty confused at the sudden influx of INH votes. I'm still pretty convinced that his behavior was not that of a marmot teammate. I could be wrong but I thought there was a pretty good reason we all backed off from him.

What's the good reason?

What I just said in the previous sentence. He had been defending/townreading Marmot for so strongly for the whole game that (especially combined with his strongly pushing the Dys case against marmot's lynch) would have been incredibly brazen of him to act that way as Marmot's teammate. I would be amazed if he was, but maybe he's the type to pull that. One point that others have brought up that may nudge me back toward thinking that is the fact that he's pretty much disappeared today with his tail tucked between his legs and has not made any effort to redeem himself.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

Does not compute.

1) Lots of roles that could have messed with Golden could have done so by targeting Golden, not JJJ.

2) This is a CF game.

[Quin]

@Quin

But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.

I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.

I don't have to justify an entire mafia team before getting any kind of result just so I can vote for you. I'm not that good at this game.

I think you're bad. That's good enough for me.

[speedchuck]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.

Answering your own question.

Also, I've played a town bus driver before. It can be a protective role.

Golden, busdrivers (for example) visit both target a and b. Then a watcher visiting target a would go to target b, then see the busdriver there.

Though, fair regarding the CF game. Could be something else entirely.

[juliets]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

[juliets]

EBWOP: "case against him"

[Quin]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.

I think there would be a big balancing issue if there were two roles capable of redirecting targets/roles in some way on the same mafia team. If Eloh isn't town, she's either on a second mafia team or indy.

If we're assuming we've got her role pegged right, what's the issue in her picking Golden/Fred/3J if she's picking randomly?

ebwop

[Quin]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.

[Dyslexicon]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.

*holds tongue*
*rolls eyes*

[Jackofhearts2005]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.

[Golden]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.

Answering your own question.

Also, I've played a town bus driver before. It can be a protective role.

Golden, busdrivers (for example) visit both target a and b. Then a watcher visiting target a would go to target b, then see the busdriver there.

Though, fair regarding the CF game. Could be something else entirely.

Yes, sorry. She could be a busdriver. I'm talking about if she was a straight misdirector. I think it's a big leap to make to presume Eloh is town and a busdriver simply because I saw her target fred.

I also think Eloh (knowing her) is unlikely to start by targeting people she doesn't know, so I'm wondering if she was also targeting Jay and misdirected to Fred.

Put it this way, I'm not giving eloh any kind of alignment read based on the fact I saw her target fred, and I think it would be awfully unwise to do it.

[Quin]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.

*holds tongue*
*rolls eyes*

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Quin

But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.

I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.

I don't have to justify an entire mafia team before getting any kind of result just so I can vote for you. I'm not that good at this game.

I think you're bad. That's good enough for me.

In fairness, you pursued DDL for most of Unfortunate Events without any buddy reads iirc.

I'll take that into consideration. Still holding you at Orange.

[Soneji]

I saw Nutella cleared JJJ, though I'm not sure I exactly trust that. Nutella had been being buddy-buddy with JJJ early on and I don't care for JJJ's vote history.

Nutella's push was maybe the biggest reason the Marmot lynch gained traction, so what's not to trust about it?

If JJJ ever ends up scum, Soneji is scum buddies.
But lol. I'm done tinfoiling JJJ. He's sure town.

I haven't gotten to researching the MM lynch beyond seeing who all voted for him. If Nutella pushed on him that hard then I would be inclined to dismiss that suspicion.

@Quin

But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.

I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.

That is some rather wack logic. It's like saying that if you don't know the entirety of how a puzzle will be completed, then you can't fit in a single piece of it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.

Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.

Answering your own question.

Also, I've played a town bus driver before. It can be a protective role.

Golden, busdrivers (for example) visit both target a and b. Then a watcher visiting target a would go to target b, then see the busdriver there.

Though, fair regarding the CF game. Could be something else entirely.

Yes, sorry. She could be a busdriver. I'm talking about if she was a straight misdirector. I think it's a big leap to make to presume Eloh is town and a busdriver simply because I saw her target fred.

I also think Eloh (knowing her) is unlikely to start by targeting people she doesn't know, so I'm wondering if she was also targeting Jay and misdirected to Fred.

Put it this way, I'm not giving eloh any kind of alignment read based on the fact I saw her target fred, and I think it would be awfully unwise to do it.

Thank you.

The logical leaps from targeting Fred to busdriver to town busdriver are massive.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hi. I'm here. Focus me.

[Quin]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.

Why is INH not playing like a townie?

[juliets]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.

Are you saying he's not playing like a townie because he's not considering alternatives? I'm not arguing the point, just trying to clarify.

linki

[speedchuck]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.

Why is INH not playing like a townie?

Because he's not town?

[Quin]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.

Why is INH not playing like a townie?

Because he's not town?

oh ok thanks

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.

The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.

[Quin]

My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.

The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

really?

[speedchuck]

@Quin

But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.

I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.

That is some rather wack logic. It's like saying that if you don't know the entirety of how a puzzle will be completed, then you can't fit in a single piece of it.

Nah, it's more like:
You're trying to make a five piece puzzle, and you see that (out of your collection of 16 pieces), this one piece doesn't seem to fit any of the rest at all. Probably shouldn't start with that piece.

Of course, I get Quin's side of it as well. He's arguing that this piece does fit a piece that he's confirmed is a part of the puzzle, and that he can't see the rest of the pieces well enough in this dim lighting.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I saw Nutella cleared JJJ, though I'm not sure I exactly trust that. Nutella had been being buddy-buddy with JJJ early on and I don't care for JJJ's vote history.

Nutella's push was maybe the biggest reason the Marmot lynch gained traction, so what's not to trust about it?

If JJJ ever ends up scum, Soneji is scum buddies.
But lol. I'm done tinfoiling JJJ. He's sure town.

I haven't gotten to researching the MM lynch beyond seeing who all voted for him. If Nutella pushed on him that hard then I would be inclined to dismiss that suspicion.

@Quin

But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.

I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.

That is some rather wack logic. It's like saying that if you don't know the entirety of how a puzzle will be completed, then you can't fit in a single piece of it.

If I have one of those weird 3D jigsaw pieces, I'm not gonna assume it belongs to my standard two d puzzle cause it doesn't fit with any of the pieces.

But whatever. I've masoned with Quin. He doesn't necessarily think thataway.

I do. Lotsa times, one confirm or flip will shake up my rainbow cause I thought three players were scum together. Learn one is town, everything changes. My style is not Quin's though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Golden, you've been asking for help with the JOH case.

Talk about Sloonei's work.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.

Are you saying he's not playing like a townie because he's not considering alternatives? I'm not arguing the point, just trying to clarify.

linki

I'm saying that a townie shouldn't focus almost exclusively on one player.

[Dyslexicon]

Hi. I'm here. Focus me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.

The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.

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really?

I never asserted or implied that JOH is the only player who'd have killed Nacho.

[Fredwood]

Lynch INH


I said I would lynch him so I guess I should, even if it looks like a superwagon at this point.

Also, Pink cus Fuck you that's why.

Y'know, I was gonna let you off the hook if you just didn't vote, because you defended your style of hesitance toward voting. But I found it pretty pingy when you kept saying you had been suspicious of Jack for a while and yet refrained from voting for him. Now you join the INH train. Any fool could see that if Jack's bad you're 100% his teammate.

Since you guys keep promising to do an ISO on me, but none of you haven't, I guess I have to.

Fred, what are you thinking? Who is scum? Who is town?

Don't be neutral. I will give you slack later for ill conceived arguments as long as you actually make some reads.

It'll be good for you.

Caught up...past few days were a cluster fuck.

Based off Marmot:
Nut and Dys

Dys has not liked the Marmot since the jump, and it never felt like bussing, we even talked about it when I gave my reads at the time. Nut led the train, based of her read. So of everyone that voted for Marmot, I'd be inclined to believe that they are most genuine.

LC: He voted Marmot early in the phase, and had no real assurances of how it would play out one way or the other. It wasn't a strong vote, but just strong enough.

Sloonei and Speed: I've had a pro town read on Speed even before last night, I just have a hard time thinking that scum would lynch scum with seconds left in the phase...I know there have been good cases made and pointing out his numerous flip-flops have and while they are compelling, I can't shake that he is at the very least was not working with Marmot, just due to the timing of the vote. A stalled phase doesn't prove that he's scum, because there's no autopsy to point to as defense or damnation.

Sloonei gets less of a pass because they were only the 4th vote, and Sloon had been rather solidly in the I don't want to vote Dys or Marsh camp, SLoon had been tunnelled on Scotty up until that point. Seeing as how Marmot basically taunted them into voting for him with 5 minutes left, and no one was going to lynch Scotty, the choices were between a suspicious INH led train or a seemingly genuine Nutella train, I think I make the same choice in the same situation. So there's 2 pros and 1 con...for a net pro read.

Dys train:
INH: Has been pinging hard because of his relentless pursuit of the whole fake slip even after I thought this was put to bed...it's annoying that it was still a thing on day 2. To me the proof all hinged around the supposed existence or non existence of evidence that Dys gathered from the whole thing, and despite the fact that Dys had been pushing hard on Marmot since the event in question did nothing to assuage INH's tunnel. Normally one could point to this as a screen of Marmot, it is possible, but this has been a running theme with him. I still read him on the scummy spectrum of things, but not solely for his relentless push on Dys. His map theory was rather odd as well.

Quin: It's hard to say, Quin just dislikes most things, I think the likelyhood of both Quin and INH w/w each other is slim, but I definitely thinks it's possible one is. GTH I think INH is looking worse then Quin, Quin just appears a bit stubborn and prone to odd leaps, kind of evidenced by their interaction with Sloonei earlier this phase.


The rest of yesterday:

Scotty: Strange play, I think. "The don't lynch me I can prove I'm town not" argument that I despise withstanding, he's pushing for the inactive player lynch as opposed to the other lynches which would give the town more information to work with. Silver is on his train, which does not bode well for him in my eyes, more of a meta thing because I trust Silver because of my experience with him. Though him throwing shade on two of his biggest detractors this day phase is an odd play for scum, but that's based on personal playstyle where I just view it as strange, so not really a pro in his defense. Silver's death doesn't help him, but on it's own doesn't hurt him. There's just enough smoke with the rest of his play to suggest fire.


Eloh: One part of me wants to say...I don't know. Coming on and asking a person at random who they vote for then voting for themselves when they get a non-commital answer is aggravating. Not from an in game standpoint, just from a enjoyment of the game standpoint. A Eloh lynch nets us no new information, but their continued existence is just gnawing at me, both from a "this has to be dealt with eventually standpoint" and from a they really just don't give a shit standpoint. I don't like casting aspersions on people I don't know, and there may be very good reasons they don't give a shit, but it's just something looming imo.


JJJ/Golden/Jack: My impression of you 3 is that one of you is scum and two of you are town. It's non-committal true, but based off personal experience and the general consensus of players in this thread, that they are rather strong players. My GTH is that Jack is most likely scum, but a lot of that was based of the Sloonei pressure earlier. Questions could have been asked, I just didn't like the questions that were asked.

Straw is null at the moment, Juliets is too new

Soneji - he comes on in short bursts and is extremely strong and aggressive, presents some boisterous remarks and then fucks off never to be seen again.

Soooo...TLDR

Top Suspects:
Scotty
INH
Soneji (SP)

Light suspects:

Quin
Jack
Eloh


Null reads: (Not necessarily because I have no read on them but the evidence could go either way)

Strawhenge
Long Con
JJJ
Juliets

Moderate Town:

Golden
Sloonei
Speed

Strong Town:

Nut
Dys

Ok...2 pages have probably Linki'd since I started typing, but I really tried.

I have 3 to 4 much higher priority targets then Jack, I would not vote for anyone in the orange range unless new information was shared, or an argument was made.

Secondary suspicions that I want to iron out at the moment:
INH (I lumped him with mm yesterday, because they were buddying insanely. Could be scum taking town town with them, or... blatant buddying. Everything else was blatant at EOD.
Fredwood (Sorry, I've read you as town all game, but if Jack is bad, gotta reeval)
Soneji
Mayybe long con

Scotty isn't entirely in the clear, but I like his posts enough at the moment to not kick up a fuss over giving him time to use his role.

I have to reveal what? If he's bad? I've been suspicious of Jack in every post I've mentioned him. My assumption is that of Golden/JJJ/and Jack that 2 are town and one is scum, with Jack leading. Golden has lessened on Jack a bit, but day one was a triumvirate of bickering. I can't say that Jack has done something overtly scummy this game, but the others have given more information they did not need to (IE not under pressure to do so), and have given more indication in other regards to imply that they're more likely civ.

My main issue is the view that he's the most suspicious of all available scum reads.

Notice how I say, I'm suspicious that one of them is scum (JJJ,Golden, JOH), not that Jack was my strongest read in total, and that my assumption wasn't strong enough to pursue for a lynch. Right now the best cases for the other two is independent verification and the release of their information.

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lol, I literally said it in the post. Based of the bickering between the 3 of you, my assumption is that one is scum trying to confuse the sheep from following blindly. If you pro and con it, JJJ and Golden have more pros then you (eluded to some specific instances in the post and some others that I chose not to get into because I have mentioned them previously), so thus (POE) you are trailing in the civ read department atm. I said that I don't think it's a strong enough case to lynch you at the moment, but apparently this is the way the wind is blowing. I'm a careful and patient voter, and I don't think I'm just a follower, I will say that I will be unlikely to vote for you this phase barring some dramatic revelation or argument that I hadn't considered, but I do think I've been nothing if consistent in my reads of everyone, which I admit may just be confirmation bias.

Fred, who are you looking at voting for this round?

link - I don't know what a "typical is"

Scotty, Soneji

I think INH is a possible lynch and would be fine with lynching. But his aggressiveness has at least been consistent.

Again when someone asked me, I stated the 3 people I'd be willing to lynch today. One of them is being pushed for lynch, so I am voting.

So, if you want to say how it's out of character for me to vote for INH, when I said I was only willing to vote for 3 people this phase, and my suspicion of Jack is light, why would I not vote for INH in this scenario?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hi. I'm here. Focus me.

Dizzy Gillespie, who should we murder today?

I forbid you to quote pyramid that gif after this point.