MP Rainbow List #3 - Night 1
Moderate Town
Diiny
dunya
Long Con
speedchuck
Slight Town
DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
nijuukyugou
Simon
Sloonei
Slight Mafia
DrWilgy
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Moderate Mafia
malakim2099
Here's an updated rainbow pre: further investigation. Within groups I have not ranked by suspicion but alphabetically.
In the
moderate town section:
- I'm still feeling good about Diiny's dog-barking questioning of just about anyone at various points of the second half of Day 1. That said, I do want to examine some of his lines of questioning to determine whether they are unreasonable or fabricated, but almost none of them struck me as so in the moment yesterday.
- Likewise, dunya was pushing the thread when I entered it T-minus 5 hours or so until EoD yesterday and has made a seemingly genuine effort to discern who is scum. Like Diiny, whether it's genuine or not needs to be assessed, because from what I understand the amount of effort and investigation on the part of both players is par for the course regardless of alignment.
- I've stated my thoughts on LC at length, so I don't want to bore you all with them, but I'm actually feeling better about him than ever right now. His dogged pursuit of me still feels genuine because he has been able to specifically walk through me and the thread through his thought process and seems genuinely interested in convincing everyone else of it. I would like him to explore other players (for the sake of the town but also because he's wrong about me, lol), but that doesn't interfere with my read of him at this time. I don't care if he continues to call this buddying; these are my honest thoughts about him, and I'm not going to let that keep me from stating them.
- I'm digging speedchuck's contributions during N1; prompted by JOH, his analysis of Elo and posts in general at face value scream to me of someone who wants to uncover Elo's alignment.
In the
slight town section:
- I previously expressed why I liked DF's contributions
here, but I need more.
- I'm not very sure what to make of Dom, but I never know what to make of Dom, so I'm forcing myself to take a stand here. He was essentially absent for most of the game until just recently. Revisiting his ISO and it's already apparent that there's one thing I like: When he came into the thread N1, he threw out a few opinions, including the recently explained theory that dunya doesn't have BTSC, that Jay didn't throw out any alternatives, and questioned Simon's theory. I think at face value it seems good that he quickly came into the thread and starting flinging mud/opinions in a very Dom-like fashion, even if I personally felt the first one held up very well and the latter two not quite as well. With that said, it's a behavior that could be easily replicated if he were bad, so I'm not ready to give him a ton of points for it. I also am struggling with why he thinks I'm being dishonest regarding my opinion of LC, but Dom and I never fail to butt heads and see each other as bad in literally every game we play together, so it's plausible that he's seeing me through mafia-colored glasses and we just aren't communicating effectively. I await his clarification to try to determine whether he's opportunistically throwing more fire at me or genuinely believes I'm making stuff up.
- Elo is always a tough nut for me to crack due to her unique approach to the game, namely because I feel we just approach it
so differently, so it's always difficult for me to discern whether I just am not understanding where she's coming from and she's being genuine, or if she really is manufacturing her content. I've had trouble sorting her so far, but I suppose with a GTH I do believe she is a townie, ever so slightly. Her thoughts seem genuinely assessed, although unconventional conclusions perhaps, and I don't find her wishywashiness or similar behavior inherently suspicious because I do believe that is a meta characteristic of hers regardless of alignment to some extent. I need to mull over this and look at speedchuck's assessments/research, but off the top of my head I think we'd be seeing an Elo with EITHER more aggressive opinions or making up more excuses for why she doesn't have firm opinions at this stage of the game, which I'm not really seeing, if she were bad.
- I liked niju/Blooper's contributions when I was interacting with her in real time late in D1, but I want to see more, and although I have no particular reason at this time to believe so, it's possible her vote for Bass was done as a nefarious cop out.
- I've spoken why I liked Simon yesterday, but he needs to come update us.
- I still am feeling Sloonei is genuine and I appreciate he's been asking some questions so far in N1, but I don't have a solid town feel for him yet and he's most apt of any player in my town range to drop, so I need him to step it up to get a better feel from him and because I know he's capable of being an incredibly strong asset to the town via thorough investigation and poking.
In the
slight mafia section:
- Wilgy has no content to judge; because I forced myself to eliminate neutral reads, he inevitably falls below the neutral line. Hopefully he can come in here soon.
- I'm pretty torn about JOH at the moment. I had a few potential beefs/questions for him when I arrived in the thread for N1
here,
here, and
here, and I believe he has adequately addressed the latter two. I'm particularly intrigued for his answer to the first, because my initial reaction to finding him jumping all over me and Elo when I arrived in the thread was that I smelled opportunism, but that in part could have been a natural NO U and a lack of understanding exactly what was leading JOH to these conclusions. The jury is out; although I don't feel that badly about him at the moment, perhaps I'm just a bit paranoid of him.
- Jay is well, Jay. I felt essentially torn/neutral on him throughout this game, but it's always tough to get a feel for him given his incredible ability to supatown or fake supatowning if he's bad. Now that he's replaced, we have a potentially problematic cloud over this spot; hopefully an active participant comes sooner rather than later. I have had vague and abstract reservations about Jay so far this game (see:
here, even though in his very limited presence so far he did contribute to what I think could be said was the best of his ability to do so. I just still don't see what he was saying about Sloonei and perhaps feel that Jay was not giving Sloonei a fair line of questioning wherein he could have found Sloonei's behavior to be non-suspicious regardless of his reaction, but that's just a passing thought I had and admittedly a weak interpretation for what is more likely just a disagreement in perspective between me and Jay. As I said to
Jay and also
to clarify to Diiny, I had the weirds for Jay but didn't really suspect him, and it's incredibly possible and likely that I just never had a chance to mindmeld with Jay (specifically, we often see eye to eye and I specifically make a point in games we play together to engage him and mindmeld on players as quickly as possible -- given how intense/difficult of a player he can be to read in an attempt to townclear him) this game yet and I am more actively paranoid of him than everyone else.
In the
moderate mafia section:
- Malakim is someone I've not played with before, so I have no meta basis here. I wasn't really sure what I thought of him prior to making this post, so I investigated his ISO and to my slight surprise I found that he had 14 posts in this game thus far -- I can't remember a single opinion of his other than some suspicion of me. Digging into the ISO, most of what I can see in the form of solid opinions is just that -- expressing suspicion of me in a way that suggests he's piggybacking more onto suspicion flung onto me over the course of the Night than in a genuine fashion coming from his original perspective. I expressed my beefs with his treatment of me
here and
here, which aren't due to it being centered around me but due to the alarming vagueness of the accusations surrounding the fact that I already was getting some major heat from other players so far in the Night. That's not ideal, regardless of the target of the suspicion. In addition, I found his other opinion of Sloonei/Elo to be based in
questionable logic that hopefully he can address. He needs to address these beefs I've thrown at him as well as provide more thoughts on players other than those.
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Please talk to me and the thread about your reads, folks. Tell me any of these you all find agreeable or disagreeable and why. I'm almost certainly wrong about some of them, especially since there's still not a lot to go on for half of you all. We need much more to go on for D2.
I really ought to go for the duration -- very likely until T minus 5-6 hours of the D2 deadline at the earliest, unfortunately, because I just have way too much I need to accomplish before then and can't afford to get tied up here. I apologize, speedchuck, for not giving my own opinion on what you've said re: Elohcin, but I tried to provide my own take of her above here, so hopefully you find it valuable. I took way too long working on crafting this, and now I've spent way too much time here in the thread as a result. I'll take a detailed look when I can.
Hopefully at least this can get the ball rolling on you all discussing as many players as possible. I know I have some serious heat headed my way already due to a number of you suspecting me, so if you all have questions for me, particularly if they are urgent in developing a read on me, please mention me or something. I'll try to address them with urgency upon my return, but also need to devote the bulk of my time to scum hunting because I believe that's more significant than defending myself until I'm blue in the face.
Good luck on hunting, you all. I think there's some good work being done so far but we really need to inspire a sense of urgency in as many of the town as possible if we want to win this thing. I know I'm cheerleading much more than I did yesterday, and I know I've posted an obscene amount to say what is probably not anything that insightful, I'm trying my best. Given a townie lynch in Bass and Jay's absence, I'm not trying to be annoying or overly pushy -- there's a void of the 'town motivation driver/facilitator' that needs to be filled -- and so we need to come together as a town to work through this game and solve it. I think we can do it.
