Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Elohcin]

Why niju? You opinions of baddies seem to be jumping arround. Have you played with niju lately? This is normal.

Click here

Yeah, sorry. I shouldn't have asked. I was reading backwards. Never done that before and probably won't again. Doesn't work for me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think LC and niju would be easy targets for mafia. Honestly, I think they are civs who just aren't paying attention to a damn thing. They are the kind of civs this game that keep civs from winning.

I'm going to be working most of today. I'll probably only be back come Day 2

Why do you think they’re civs?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Talkin to myself, apparently.

[Elohcin]

I think LC and niju would be easy targets for mafia. Honestly, I think they are civs who just aren't paying attention to a damn thing. They are the kind of civs this game that keep civs from winning.

I'm going to be working most of today. I'll probably only be back come Day 2

Why do you think they’re civs?

I think they would be here and paying more attention if they were bad. Niju would be making at least one meaningful post. She would be trying instead of forgetting. I have been in her shoes - civ, busy, and forgetting I am even playing mafia. I have never forgotten I am playing when I am mafia. LC is one of the syndicate's original hard core players. Maybe things have changed for him, but I don't think he would sign up to play and be this lazy if he were bad.

[Elohcin]

sorry, I was getting coffee and what not. I do have to go soon and get to work.

[Elohcin]

ebwop *one meaningful post a day* That is how niju plays when she is paying attention. she comes in once a day, takes it all in and gives a meaningful post and then is out.

[Elohcin]

I want to hear more from chuck today. Are you off your meds man?

[Jackofhearts2005]

sorry, I was getting coffee and what not. I do have to go soon and get to work.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I want to hear more from chuck today. Are you off your meds man?

I wanna hear the names of some of your recent scumgames.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think LC and niju would be easy targets for mafia. Honestly, I think they are civs who just aren't paying attention to a damn thing. They are the kind of civs this game that keep civs from winning.

I'm going to be working most of today. I'll probably only be back come Day 2

Why do you think they’re civs?

I think they would be here and paying more attention if they were bad. Niju would be making at least one meaningful post. She would be trying instead of forgetting. I have been in her shoes - civ, busy, and forgetting I am even playing mafia. I have never forgotten I am playing when I am mafia. LC is one of the syndicate's original hard core players. Maybe things have changed for him, but I don't think he would sign up to play and be this lazy if he were bad.

I’ve been hearing since I joined that you have this meta of being more involved as scum. I’ve not seen this pattern from most other players.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’d be interested to know who your own suspects are, Elohcin.

[Elohcin]

My involvement is directly related to the amount of work I have. This week, I have two cupcake orders and that is all. I can be involved.

I couldn't even tell you the games I was bad in. Once I am out of the game, the name of the game is gone from my head. I didn't even remember the name of the Gossip Girl game I brought up, I just remembered the way I was treated. If you notice, it was Dunya that mentioned the title as she was the host. I have too many RL things to remember to keep mafia details in my head.

[Elohcin]

I’d be interested to know who your own suspects are, Elohcin.

I will have these to you before I go to bed tonight. I really gotta go get to work. I am pressure washing the back deck and the house trim today and I need to get it done before it gets too hot outside. I'm doing it this week b/c less cake work, Epi is home for spring break to be with the kids, and I was able to borrow the pressure washer machine.

[dunya]

jay was the one who instigated that lynch.

ahem, excuse you.

[dunya]

re: Elohcin's outburst. i will say that i have talked to her extensively about mafia over discord pms whenever i'd nag her to sign up to a game. sometimes i felt offended because i felt like her strong (very strong) dislike of towards the game of mafia coincides with my appearance to this particular mafia world. and i am part of the "new crowd" who brought about with us "new habits". but it's not her fault she can't enjoy this game, just as it's not my fault i can't enjoy mafia if i don't give it a full effort. elohcin doesn't strike me as someone who exaggerates anger in that way. at all. for what motive? no gain. i don't want to call her a civilian for it either, but i'm trying to make it completely nai for me especially when i have seen her frustrations with this game gradually rise this past year.

[dunya]

unpopular opinion: i don't think that end of day clears jay. i don't care if he "cased" mac. he did a lot of other things that trigger me. i'll do my own little jay/mac analysis and explain some nagging thoughts at some point tonight. i need to do it for myself as much as anyone else.

[speedchuck]

I want to hear more from chuck today. Are you off your meds man?

I am. mostly. I'll be around some today.

[speedchuck]

Oh. Hm. I'm being suspected because of Mac.

Dunno why. Looked like he was setting me up as a fall-man to me. Mac isn't THAT bad at distancing, good golly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

unpopular opinion: i don't think that end of day clears jay. i don't care if he "cased" mac. he did a lot of other things that trigger me. i'll do my own little jay/mac analysis and explain some nagging thoughts at some point tonight. i need to do it for myself as much as anyone else.

You just want them to kill you instead of me.

[leetic]

Hello! Sorry for the inactivity, the holiday was rather busy for me and I am also focused on a Hydra game on Bulba. Can someone give me a quick overview of what happened so far? Gracias

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hello! Sorry for the inactivity, the holiday was rather busy for me and I am also focused on a Hydra game on Bulba. Can someone give me a quick overview of what happened so far? Gracias

Certainly. Give me a few minutes to cook something up.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hello! Sorry for the inactivity, the holiday was rather busy for me and I am also focused on a Hydra game on Bulba. Can someone give me a quick overview of what happened so far? Gracias

We lynched Mac and he was scum. Jay did interactive reads of Mac with everybody.

[novaselinenever]

Looks good to me. An old civilian that was on the right track at first, and was fooled as time passed by

I'm here to answer for my crimes.

nova, whatever crimes you're here to answer for could you go ahead and answer for them?

One thing I would like to know, you were a hard town read for me at the beginning of the game because I was seeing the civ nova I've seen for 3 games in a row. But then, you dropped off and weren't leading/pushing the thread as much as I'm used to. What's up with that? I don't have you as a mafia read but you've slipped in my green spectrum.

I should be studying

[novaselinenever]

I'm here to answer for my crimes.

Who do you think looks worst given present knowledge?

Speed, Niju and Eloh I'd say.

nova is your read on Elo due to her emotion at the end of EOD or are there other reasons you see her as bad? I'm a little more conflicted about her after sleeping on it than I was last night.

Not really, it stems from her D1 when I was around and more specifically that wall of reads she had.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hello! Sorry for the inactivity, the holiday was rather busy for me and I am also focused on a Hydra game on Bulba. Can someone give me a quick overview of what happened so far? Gracias

I'll give you a page-by-page rundown of one thing that happened for each. Whether it's the most important or interesting thing is subjective. I will spend minimal time making that distinction, because I have to get back to work.

Page 1 - JJJ and nova hurl poop at each other's heads
Page 2 - juliets asks a question about the alignments Mac and nova, and nova wonders aloud if she may already know the answers. nutella finds it spicy.
Page 3 - dunya gets more involved and prods around, to include some poop made especially for my face
Page 4 - juliets gives some preliminary reads, nova and dunya continue to discuss various topics
Page 5 - speedchuck gets wasted
Page 6 - I get into a fist-fight with nutella
Page 7 - Jack fails to produce a gif for me
Page 8 - Daisy gives some reads. Some of us think they look authentic, Jack thinks she's bad with juliets.
Page 9 - People try to wrap their heads around the growing feud between Daisy and Jack. Some seem to think they're talking around each other and it's a misunderstanding
Page 10 - Day 1 begins! lol
Page 11 - Early votes fall in for Mac and Luna among others (I think). Mac himself finally makes a substantial appearance.
Page 12 - Elohcin and Long Con make their first Day 1 incursions into the game (the former provided a reads list). nutella and I continue to punch each other
Page 13 - nova gives expanded reads and Jack gives a colorless rainbow list
Page 14 - rather empty page at a glance. nova put up a rainbow.
Page 15 - Kites gives a big reads list, and Mac makes another significant appearance
Page 16 - Mac gives a full rainbow list
Page 17 - dunya gives Mac shit for reading her as a civilian for no reason
Page 18 - Luna makes her most memorable appearance so far, nutella points a finger of suspicion at Mac
Page 19 - nutella is leading the poll by a good margin. She wants to lynch Luna instead. Jack still wants Daisy's head.
Page 20 - I state gripes about Luna and Mac
Page 21 - The meat of my own case against Mac is here
Page 22 - Final two hours before EOD start here, the discussion is still Mac-focused. I suggest that I'd consider lynching a low-poster
Page 23 - After drawing a brief wagon, juliets decides to claim her role (semi-stump), the prevailing wagons return to Mac and nutella
Page 24 - A third wagon on Neverwhere appears
Page 25 - Mac is lynched and flips mafia
Page 26 - I begin interactive analyses of every player against Mac
Page 27 - Matahari provides her reads on numerous players, others respond to my analyses with their takes
Page 28 - leetic returns and asks for a summary

[Lunalee]

That was a lovely summary, Jay

[Jackofhearts2005]

You didn’t really want that gif anyhow.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That was a lovely summary, Jay

You didn’t really want that gif anyhow.

[dunya]

that summary makes the past 3 days back and forth feel so pathetic lol.

[dunya]

unpopular opinion: i don't think that end of day clears jay. i don't care if he "cased" mac. he did a lot of other things that trigger me. i'll do my own little jay/mac analysis and explain some nagging thoughts at some point tonight. i need to do it for myself as much as anyone else.

You just want them to kill you instead of me.

meany tell. jay is gonna kill me tonight and now he has the perfect cover for his behind.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

unpopular opinion: i don't think that end of day clears jay. i don't care if he "cased" mac. he did a lot of other things that trigger me. i'll do my own little jay/mac analysis and explain some nagging thoughts at some point tonight. i need to do it for myself as much as anyone else.

You just want them to kill you instead of me.

meany tell. jay is gonna kill me tonight and now he has the perfect cover for his behind.

If the mafia kill you Night 1 again, that is the lamest shit in the world.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]


^New avatar for you.

It’s perfect so you don’t need to check it just put it as your avatar.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Shit. I meant to take the img code off.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I appreciate your efforts, but I'm not changing my avatar during a game. It has an impact upon how I am viewed and should thus be held constant until it's over.

[dunya]

jay, i have a question for you.

[dunya]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jay, i have a question for you.

k

[dunya]

jay, i have a question for you.

k

isn't it true that scum jay will often try to push the thread to lynch inactives as a strategy?

[dunya]

i feel like discussing my grievances with you in real time will be more productive of my time cos i don't have hours in front of the computer today unfortunately. bear with me.

i didn't like your push of a neverwhere lynch in the last hour. at all. i hated it. i want to know why you did it.

[novaselinenever]

It feels like most consensus red/orange reads are fairly inactive people. Who's the most suspicious active player?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jay, i have a question for you.

k

isn't it true that scum jay will often try to push the thread to lynch inactives as a strategy?

Sure, I've done that as a bad guy. I'm also more likely than [insert typical good guy here] to do it as a good guy because of my affinity for process of elimination methods.

I know what you're getting at, so I'll get to the point:

Mac was my preferred lynch among active players. As such, I provided no real resistance to it, and indeed I helped to produce that wagon in the first place. It wasn't a confident matter though for me or for other people, and I provided an alternative among the low posters.

[novaselinenever]

I remember inventing an exercise that is 1/1 so far. The lock 1 other player town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i didn't like your push of a neverwhere lynch in the last hour. at all. i hated it. i want to know why you did it.

Ask yourself how hard I really pushed that, how much enthusiasm I displayed to lynch not Mac, and whether a Neverwhere lynch was likely to occur anyway.

I don't hard-distance a teammate Mac by helping to build a huge wagon against him and then start a pitiful third wagon to save him right after that. It's strategic nonsense.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Indeed, my Neverwhere wagon might be the best evidence that I am a civilian. Break through the immediate instinctive barrier of WIFOM and consider these points:

If I am Mac's teammate, I can bus him or I can save him.

If I am going to bus him, I don't squirm around about it. I annihilate him. I make it my personal crusade and absorb maximum credit.

If I am going to save him, I don't randomly reverse my take on nutella and then invent a third wagon that is unlikely to take off at the last minute. I annihilate nutella.

[dunya]

you're good and it makes me angry. should have gone to law school instead

[dunya]

I don't randomly reverse my take on nutella

why did you?

[nutella]

*pulls out megaphone* dunya has a spicy take! I repeat, dunya has a spicy take!

And it looks like Jay has brought a large jug of wine to counter the spice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m so bored. Send in your night actions.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't randomly reverse my take on nutella

why did you?

I've said I will not answer that. Realize please that I am not Mister Secrets about any reads unless I feel like I don't have a choice. You (specifically you) may already know the answer anyway if you take a moment to consider it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Probably cause I left my ritalin at home.