Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Creature]

My spicy vote opportunity is slipping away.

Who did you vote?

[S~V~S]

I wish I had three day vigs

I wished there were ITAs. This game feels like being trapped in the elevator with 27 people for 48 hours.

OMG this so much. And half of them, while speaking your language, speak a dialect of it that you don't quite get ha ha

I'm gonna try to read some more Sean/Rondo, but as i said my top suspect is Marmot, so I would prefer to leave my vote there if I don't have to save.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

Well, this turned out to not be true.

I just voted Cape90 on the poll, I was thinking I did it 2 hours ago when I posted about it but apparently nope.

@lucy: can you give me your thoughts on him? (particularly his last read list)

Voting in the thread, but not in the poll.

You're wolfing my dude.

I'm at Friday PM now, and they've put forth their first major ping, Creature.

They got between Sabi and Lucy who were kinda "fuck offing" each other. NAI, Marmot's a person who doesn't love conflict, imo.

Made a soft push towards Dennis, but backed off pretty much immediately. Not sure if this is AI or not?

Something I noticed, Dennis seemed a lot more content talking/joking with Kate, than anyone else itt earlier.

I don't really think that's AI though, unless they're exactly wolf partners together like they were in Cartomancy

i mean i guess that makes sense regardless. i do tr kate and would put some weight on her read of dennis too

(I forgot to add) Dennis was reluctant to sign up for this game given the size.


Why do people scumread Dennis? I missed all of that content.

I did agree with Marmot 100% here, I didn't really see it either. *Waits for someone to yell "Pocketing! TMI!" at me.

Someone earlier said that Marmot and Sabi have a sup0er close relationship? They ask Sabis opinion quite a bit, is this NAI given that?

Here Marmot says he's concerned about Sabi, implying Sabi could be bad. I'm guessing that means the same as "worried"?

I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.

I just pulled this because Mac called them a "flippin merman" which I found hilarious. A bit later Marmot called Mac a "flippin Mermac" which was also hilarious.

I'm not really feeling a Creature vote atm.

Who else should I vote?

why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin merman

Thanks, I'll try.

He made a few temp votes, made a case on Cape. He wishied, he washied, which is not totally fair, since I did pretty much quite a bit of the same, tbh.

All in all, I was fairly convinced by the bit with Neon (who I had forgotten had been a woof in Holes) who came out of it very civ, marmot not so much.

Gonna [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine for now, they haven't been in here all day and I'd like to hear what they say.

@Dyslexicon Sure it's fair. I have been flying low, and not playing at the level I am capable of. Plus I know it's cheesy and weak, two things I dislike, especially in myself, but I was a bit overwhelmed by the massiveness of this thread the first few (calendar) days. I tend to be a meta player, and all the people I didn't know flinging suspish at other people I didn't know for reasons I didn't understand kinda made me freeze a bit. I think I'm starting to find my feet, though.

I'm gonna eat dinner and keep reading, bbl.

I'm not sure what she's saying here about Creature, it may be bc I was reading it out of context. Svs, can you clarify?

The only time I've EVER seen svs freeze was not a civ...

I'm addressing this to you, rather than Golden or Scotty, becasue you should know better.

You're looking for Day 3 or 4 SVS here.

You couldn't handle this kind of thread in Cartomancy, yet you seem to think I won't be overwhelmed. Like I'm some sort of super person who won't freeze. Jesus Christ.

You know my game better than anyone. I need meta, and I need to find small things. Which is hard for me in this setting.

Generally I kick into gear when it's time to momma bear, when the wolves fuck with someone I care about. Then I hear that little voice in my ear telling me where to look, how to find them. It was there in the last several games, and it helped me find what I was looking for.

Other than Dennis, who was killed by another townie, I have no idea, or real connection to anyone that was killed. I think most of the people who were killed were killed by town. I haven't found anything to latch on to yet.

And also, I don't fucking know what a Lost Wolf is, it isn't a TMI thing or any other kind of stupid jargon I don't understand. I don't know what it is.

That little voice is not there, and that's OK, I should be able to work without it. And I will, but I need to be given my ground to get my feet. This whole "Oh SVS isn't on fire" or whatever else is ridiculous on Day Two.

Now I have to get in there and see what's what.

If it was up to me, I would keep my vote on Marmot, that's the closest thing to the "little thing" I need to latch onto, the thing he said to Neon. That was such a bad look for him.

But it looks like I'll have to vote to save. Of my esteemed competitors, I felt worse about Sean than Rondo, but that seemed to develop today, and I have to read the case on that.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Sorry but the bolded is a TMI slip on my alignment I think. I don't believe a town with as little foothold in the game as you have would be automatically assuming I'm a villager after having shot your top town. Reads more like TMI.

how may times do I have to ask people to make their bolds larger so I can see them. I am blind (not actually, dark mode makes it hard to see)

You willing to admit I am town yet?

[Master Radishes]

Okay I've actually finally cracked open Sabi's iso and damn they have some soft interactions with Rondo. (Also Marmot btw but that's neither here nor now.) Nothing yet noticeable on Sean or SVS but I'm only partway through.

She was trying to frame me from day 1 for when she went over. Its a good play

Frame you? I mean I can see it being just Sabi having fun with friends in early game regardless of alignment, but I dunno about deliberate framing. Like their iso also has pretty good indication at not being teamed with a couple people like Falcon and Nutella imo, so it's not like Sabi is some spew-controlling genius.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Seanzie should be the elim. I'm back to confidence on this. Rondo is probably just also a wolf and is a fine wagon but Seanzie is wolf kp and should die.

Do you have your own reasons or are you just parroting macs bad case?

Spoiler: show

Its a joke Mac, I am trying to get you angry here

[Marmot]

Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.

Tbh, when I'm town, I largely ignore players who tunnel me to focus my efforts elsewhere, especially when I feel that the tunnel is not particularly threatening, even if it's persistent. (See my handling of DkKoba on Day 4 of Champs Finale)

What's your opinon of Ender based on all of this? Your opinion of Rondo seems to be largely related to how Ender is handling him.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Seanzie should be the elim. I'm back to confidence on this. Rondo is probably just also a wolf and is a fine wagon but Seanzie is wolf kp and should die.

Do you have your own reasons or are you just parroting macs bad case?

Spoiler: show

Its a joke Mac, I am trying to get you angry here

[Master Radishes]

I wish I had three day vigs

I wished there were ITAs. This game feels like being trapped in the elevator with 27 people for 48 hours.

OMG this so much. And half of them, while speaking your language, speak a dialect of it that you don't quite get ha ha

I'm gonna try to read some more Sean/Rondo, but as i said my top suspect is Marmot, so I would prefer to leave my vote there if I don't have to save.

Nanook pre-game said it would only last 4-5 game Days so I can't wait for more bloodbath.

[Dyslexicon]

If Sean flips town, kill Rondo with fire.
If Sean flips mafia, kill Rondo still.

[nutella]

o ask people to make their bolds larger

Or just use the highlight partial quote feature that only works like 30% of the time

[Marmot]

I like that you did some due diligence on the case, I'm just not sure I agree with your outcome Mac.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

Well, this turned out to not be true.

I just voted Cape90 on the poll, I was thinking I did it 2 hours ago when I posted about it but apparently nope.

@lucy: can you give me your thoughts on him? (particularly his last read list)

Voting in the thread, but not in the poll.

You're wolfing my dude.

I'm at Friday PM now, and they've put forth their first major ping, Creature.

They got between Sabi and Lucy who were kinda "fuck offing" each other. NAI, Marmot's a person who doesn't love conflict, imo.

Made a soft push towards Dennis, but backed off pretty much immediately. Not sure if this is AI or not?

Something I noticed, Dennis seemed a lot more content talking/joking with Kate, than anyone else itt earlier.

I don't really think that's AI though, unless they're exactly wolf partners together like they were in Cartomancy

i mean i guess that makes sense regardless. i do tr kate and would put some weight on her read of dennis too

(I forgot to add) Dennis was reluctant to sign up for this game given the size.


Why do people scumread Dennis? I missed all of that content.

I did agree with Marmot 100% here, I didn't really see it either. *Waits for someone to yell "Pocketing! TMI!" at me.

Someone earlier said that Marmot and Sabi have a sup0er close relationship? They ask Sabis opinion quite a bit, is this NAI given that?

Here Marmot says he's concerned about Sabi, implying Sabi could be bad. I'm guessing that means the same as "worried"?

I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.

I just pulled this because Mac called them a "flippin merman" which I found hilarious. A bit later Marmot called Mac a "flippin Mermac" which was also hilarious.

I'm not really feeling a Creature vote atm.

Who else should I vote?

why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin merman

Thanks, I'll try.

He made a few temp votes, made a case on Cape. He wishied, he washied, which is not totally fair, since I did pretty much quite a bit of the same, tbh.

All in all, I was fairly convinced by the bit with Neon (who I had forgotten had been a woof in Holes) who came out of it very civ, marmot not so much.

Gonna [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine for now, they haven't been in here all day and I'd like to hear what they say.

@Dyslexicon Sure it's fair. I have been flying low, and not playing at the level I am capable of. Plus I know it's cheesy and weak, two things I dislike, especially in myself, but I was a bit overwhelmed by the massiveness of this thread the first few (calendar) days. I tend to be a meta player, and all the people I didn't know flinging suspish at other people I didn't know for reasons I didn't understand kinda made me freeze a bit. I think I'm starting to find my feet, though.

I'm gonna eat dinner and keep reading, bbl.

I'm not sure what she's saying here about Creature, it may be bc I was reading it out of context. Svs, can you clarify?

The only time I've EVER seen svs freeze was not a civ...

I'm addressing this to you, rather than Golden or Scotty, becasue you should know better.

You're looking for Day 3 or 4 SVS here.

You couldn't handle this kind of thread in Cartomancy, yet you seem to think I won't be overwhelmed. Like I'm some sort of super person who won't freeze. Jesus Christ.

You know my game better than anyone. I need meta, and I need to find small things. Which is hard for me in this setting.

Generally I kick into gear when it's time to momma bear, when the wolves fuck with someone I care about. Then I hear that little voice in my ear telling me where to look, how to find them. It was there in the last several games, and it helped me find what I was looking for.

Other than Dennis, who was killed by another townie, I have no idea, or real connection to anyone that was killed. I think most of the people who were killed were killed by town. I haven't found anything to latch on to yet.

And also, I don't fucking know what a Lost Wolf is, it isn't a TMI thing or any other kind of stupid jargon I don't understand. I don't know what it is.

That little voice is not there, and that's OK, I should be able to work without it. And I will, but I need to be given my ground to get my feet. This whole "Oh SVS isn't on fire" or whatever else is ridiculous on Day Two.

Now I have to get in there and see what's what.

If it was up to me, I would keep my vote on Marmot, that's the closest thing to the "little thing" I need to latch onto, the thing he said to Neon. That was such a bad look for him.

But it looks like I'll have to vote to save. Of my esteemed competitors, I felt worse about Sean than Rondo, but that seemed to develop today, and I have to read the case on that.

From my perspective, all of this is true whether you’re t! it w! SVS. And maybe there’s some truth to ‘looking for day 3 or 4 svs’ and god knows it’s not easy to play in a thread like this and be busy.

But what have you noticed? What townreads do you have? Who are you trusting and why?

Good interrogation by golden. But perhaps it means SVS is town?

[RondoDimBuckle]

You are correct in describing the reality of what occurred.

I still don't understand how you can deduce that Alison analysing it the way that she did wasn't in bad faith. That seems overly generous to me.

Maybe it was. I'm not clear on Alison. But I don't think her saying that is a smoking gun.

I think if you consider that Alison is lock town reading me, and that Rondo is actually really likely mafia. And his wagon was pure. And Ender is someone who knows him best and is locked on him being mafia. The fact she's giving him this level of quarter vs. just treating him like a policy is exceptionally solid reason to find her highly likely to be a wolf defending wolf.

great logic here

What is the meaning of you making posts like this?

To support you?

[Scotty]

If Sean flips town, kill Rondo with fire.
If Sean flips mafia, kill Rondo still.

Let’s just.::kill rondo?

[Sloonei]

My spicy vote opportunity is slipping away.

Who did you vote?

Rondo, a while ago. I was preparing to cast a decisive vote if needed near the deadline, but we seem to be moving somewhat decisively toward Seanzie now. So the drama is slipping away.

Seanzie was going to be my choice if I was in position to break a tie, for what it's worth. I'll probably move my vote to him in the next 20 minutes. I just want to leave things open so that we can continue discussing things right up until the deadline.

[Creature]

Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.

[Marmot]

I wish I had three day vigs

I wished there were ITAs. This game feels like being trapped in the elevator with 27 people for 48 hours.

OMG this so much. And half of them, while speaking your language, speak a dialect of it that you don't quite get ha ha

I'm gonna try to read some more Sean/Rondo, but as i said my top suspect is Marmot, so I would prefer to leave my vote there if I don't have to save.

Why am I your top suspect?

[Creature]

If Sean flips town, kill Rondo with fire.
If Sean flips mafia, kill Rondo still.

If both flip town then I assume you're just part of the wolf opera?

[Scotty]

Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.

That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too

[Dyslexicon]

If Sean flips town, kill Rondo with fire.
If Sean flips mafia, kill Rondo still.

Let’s just.::kill rondo?

We could. But if Sean is mafia, they probably have KP

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Mac's a wolf but I'll give him the chance to lynch a wolf today incase he is town or bussing wolf.

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

This is a very odd way for Mac to lose his 3rd free Lynch before town goes on him. Killing his cred in future games against me and generally looking silly. If Mac is mafia here I would be surprised and as I said its a glorious play I can only support

I keep getting flashbacks of that previous GOC game where Mac kept insulting everyone's plays and then flipped wolf.

I mean I cant rule it out. I dont have TMI but I have chosen to just treat Mac town here like with Ender, what has Mac got to gain by getting me over? 1 more day I guess? 3 town? I reckon he could have gone way longer with Alison / Nutella / Golden / Me alive and gotten more town exed by letting me pick

[Marmot]

Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.

That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too

Why am I voting Mac?

[Dyslexicon]

If Sean flips town, kill Rondo with fire.
If Sean flips mafia, kill Rondo still.

If both flip town then I assume you're just part of the wolf opera?

If both flip town, I assume town is fucked and I will frankly not pay much mind to what you may assume.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm ngl I have no energy for this EOD.

So

Nyeh.

Rondo, why'd you buy that fur coat?

[Marmot]

I'm ngl I have no energy for this EOD.

So

Nyeh.

Rondo, why'd you buy that fur coat?

But not a real fur coat, that's cruel

[Scotty]

Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.

That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too

Why am I voting Mac?

If mac gets 3 votes he can kill 1 of them in the night.

Wanna put your faith in mac daddy?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm awake but I sure as fuck ain't alive

Morning, save me or I will die

Also news: Water is wet

EnderWiggin is 85% sure you are a wolf.

So?

[EnderWiggin]

I'm ngl I have no energy for this EOD.

So

Nyeh.

Rondo, why'd you buy that fur coat?

But not a real fur coat, that's cruel

One might say.

Cruela.

[Seanzie]

Hello!

[Master Radishes]

I'm ngl I have no energy for this EOD.

So

Nyeh.

Rondo, why'd you buy that fur coat?

But not a real fur coat, that's cruel

Dijon ketchup?

[Creature]

Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.

That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too

Why am I voting Mac?

If mac gets 3 votes he can kill 1 of them in the night.

Wanna put your faith in mac daddy?

Wasn't it two votes?

[EnderWiggin]

I'm awake but I sure as fuck ain't alive

Morning, save me or I will die

Also news: Water is wet

EnderWiggin is 85% sure you are a wolf.

So?

So respect my righteous anger and indignation.

*Small rain cloud puff*

[Dyslexicon]

Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.

That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too

Why am I voting Mac?

If mac gets 3 votes he can kill 1 of them in the night.

Wanna put your faith in mac daddy?

This is towny for Scotty

[Seanzie]

Kindly unvote me fine folks.

[Creature]

Bleh

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

So we have Rondo who Ender seems sure about being a wolf and we have SVS who three players seem sure about being a wolf. Why are we wagoning Seanzie btw?

Census says he's also a wolf guv

A person is smart, people are panicky and stupid

[Seanzie]

Not a single person @'d me with questions except Rondo. Kinda meh.

[Scotty]

Honestly I would rather the wagoned players vote Mac by EOD so we can speed up the process. If you're town and wagoned you might better want to get yourself out of this game before town wastes another day lynching you.

That’s what I’ve been saying.

@Marmot @S~V~S @RondoDimBuckle
If you vote mac, I will too

Why am I voting Mac?

If mac gets 3 votes he can kill 1 of them in the night.

Wanna put your faith in mac daddy?

This is towny for Scotty

Lol I pitched this earlier, hence me voting for him when you asked ‘wtf’

[RondoDimBuckle]

I tried for 36 hours and no one bit. So you guys can deal with it now

WHY. "I tried to get someone I suspect killed before. But now, that you guys have come around to it, I'm not going to, cause it's too late now!" Like what on earth are you serious. That doesn't even make sense if you're 4 years old

Dizzy town

[Creature]

Are those wagons just all town?

[Dyslexicon]

Lol I pitched this earlier, hence me voting for him when you asked ‘wtf’

I didn't get it uwu

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

I'm parking here. That he's been let to coast today by the mafia means he is one.

112 also.

sure [VOTE: HK ] aubergine

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

This vote is a self pres vote but the 3 vote was scummy still. I am flip flopping on you. Do you think I am 100% wolf here, is there any world I am town?

I don't know what the first sentence means.

I'd put you at 98% chance of flipping wolf, +-like 78%

[Creature]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Are those wagons just all town?

The motion is a good sign. I detect a hit.

[Scotty]

Lol I pitched this earlier, hence me voting for him when you asked ‘wtf’

I didn't get it uwu

Is ok

I don’t get TikTok dances

[RondoDimBuckle]

Seanzie should be the elim. I'm back to confidence on this. Rondo is probably just also a wolf and is a fine wagon but Seanzie is wolf kp and should die.

Why Seanzie? Why is he mafia? Why would he claim to be KP? Why would he claim to be strongman on top of all?

Bro he's literally the wolfiest person in the thread. His iso is garbage. He shot ilario etc etc I feel like a broken record like read some of my earlier stuff about him ffs.

@Dyslexicon

[Creature]

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

I'm parking here. That he's been let to coast today by the mafia means he is one.

112 also.

sure [VOTE: HK ] aubergine

-_-

[S~V~S]

I wish I had three day vigs

I wished there were ITAs. This game feels like being trapped in the elevator with 27 people for 48 hours.

OMG this so much. And half of them, while speaking your language, speak a dialect of it that you don't quite get ha ha

I'm gonna try to read some more Sean/Rondo, but as i said my top suspect is Marmot, so I would prefer to leave my vote there if I don't have to save.

Why am I your top suspect?

Your whole iso, as of a few days ago, was sketch. I hated your interaction with Neon, I am not going to throw that whole "not town Marmot" thing at you becasue i'm laboring under it myself, but but but, you know how to play in this style, with these people, and I don't. So yeah, there's that too. I threw it at you anyhow, call me a hypocrite.

[Master Radishes]

For real though, this much wagon fluctuation between PoE options kind of maybe signals a wolf is one of the options? Maybe just wishful thinking?