Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Porscha]

Out of all four people who participated in that Scotty CFD, Golden is the scummiest, followed by Dizzy.

The one thing I'm having big trouble with is that Dizzy/Golden have been massively shielding each other and I don't see scum doing that.

So one of them can only be a wolf.

Dizzy is my pick for wolf between those two

[Porscha]

I would like to comment that I am viewing the wagon votes with 1 vote on single players as unfavorable / undesirable

[Party Crasher]

OK. I've made up my mind

I am realizing that the entire game is townreading Rondo except me

My hydra buddies are respecting me and my reads a lot, but I can sense that they too aren't really convinced Rondo is Mafia. Sheep townread him, recently

There are 2 possibilities:

1) The entire game right now and maybe 7 dead villagers, all telling me that Rondo is town - all of those people, probably about 15 villagers in total - all being collectively wrong on Rondo, and me being the only one right

2) The 15 villagers in total collectively being right on Rondo, and only me being the one in the wrong

I find that the second happens a lot more often than the first in Mafia games

It will sting if Rondo does end up being Mafia and slips up through my fingers, but I don't want to throw the game for everyone. I will trust in the collective whole rather than myself

Cool - I am backing off of @RondoDimBuckle and I am going back to Dizzy, who I claimed was outed Mafia at the start of the day

The reason why I backed off of Dizzy was his posts at me after our clash. They felt towny. But Golden's posts felt 1000 times more towny.

Ender is the player that I'm townreading the least based off daytalk only. But based off mech, and his role, and how townsided his role is - I just can't envision myself voting him over Dizzy

So RN my solve is SVS -> Dizzy -> Pray to god it's over

-t

[Porscha]

Thanks pc. Identical thoughts

[Party Crasher]

mfw I post in hydra chat that rondo is being wolfy and tutuu posts in thread that I'm townreading him

[Porscha]

mfw I post in hydra chat that rondo is being wolfy and tutuu posts in thread that I'm townreading him

Lmaooooo

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo, Dizzy, Golden, Ender

All 4 of those participated in the scotty CFD

all 4 of those also avoided joining the death event. I believe 3 of them posted ITT around the event started (only Ender didn't?) which isn't a good look, since it looks like they could have participated

-t

POne I was literally unable to join, I don't know if I asked too late or being dnd made me ineligible, also not asking is nai,

Also urist outed himself and Kate into thread via golden. Why would I want to kill them after Michelle was already dying because of Ender and I still needed to deal with the cyclops which I could have died to?

Also phone posting so not responding to the above post about resolving

[RondoDimBuckle]

mfw I post in hydra chat that rondo is being wolfy and tutuu posts in thread that I'm townreading him

Lmaooooo

Hahahah

[RondoDimBuckle]

Thanks pc. Identical thoughts

Where is your big post?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am just going to go with my gut. Ender town. Sloonie town. Golden is kates problem so town. Guillo is town. If you believe that town only signs up for the game PC and porscha is town. Whos left? Dizzy and svs?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Big iso later tonight

[Porscha]

I am just going to go with my gut. Ender town. Sloonie town. Golden is kates problem so town. Guillo is town. If you believe that town only signs up for the game PC and porscha is town. Whos left? Dizzy and svs?

That's pretty much my solve yes

[Porscha]

Thanks pc. Identical thoughts

Where is your big post?

You gonna pay me or what

[Porscha]

Im kidding rondo I've laid out my poe that clearly aligns with what PC said

[Porscha]

Big iso later tonight

I cant wait

Rondo did you wanna join my drinking game? If yes you have to refer to me as slamjam

[RondoDimBuckle]

Thanks pc. Identical thoughts

Where is your big post?

You gonna pay me or what

You absolute fool! You have fallen for it! You complete nincompoop! I can't believe it! I have my wincon! Hahahahaha

Spoiler: show

about tree fiddy

[RondoDimBuckle]

Big iso later tonight

I cant wait

Rondo did you wanna join my drinking game? If yes you have to refer to me as slamjam

Depends on the rules and if we are drinking hard liquor or yucky yeast juice

[RondoDimBuckle]

I really want to vote pc because there is no way a group of people who didn't qualify for the game get to win the game but that is meta angle shooting

[Party Crasher]

I really want to vote pc because there is no way a group of people who didn't qualify for the game get to win the game but that is meta angle shooting

So
what's the logical through line here

Party Crasher cannot win so we should vote them out so that...
they don't decide to mafia side in LYLO because it would be funny

you know how else you can make sure mafia don't win LYLO
killing the actually claimed non-town

If your goal is to just kill anybody who's not town kill SVS they have a higher chance of being mafia
not to mention
a higher chance of not being town

[Porscha]

I really want to vote pc because there is no way a group of people who didn't qualify for the game get to win the game but that is meta angle shooting

Yeah it doesnt work for me

[Porscha]

Big iso later tonight

I cant wait

Rondo did you wanna join my drinking game? If yes you have to refer to me as slamjam

Depends on the rules and if we are drinking hard liquor or yucky yeast juice

Liquor

[Porscha]

I really want to vote pc because there is no way a group of people who didn't qualify for the game get to win the game but that is meta angle shooting

So
what's the logical through line here

Party Crasher cannot win so we should vote them out so that...
they don't decide to mafia side in LYLO because it would be funny

you know how else you can make sure mafia don't win LYLO
killing the actually claimed non-town

If your goal is to just kill anybody who's not town kill SVS they have a higher chance of being mafia
not to mention
a higher chance of not being town

At no point have they sincerely claimed to be town so like. Yeah lol

[Porscha]

I wish Lucy was here to make stupid [redacted] jokes with me

[RondoDimBuckle]

I really want to vote pc because there is no way a group of people who didn't qualify for the game get to win the game but that is meta angle shooting

So
what's the logical through line here

Party Crasher cannot win so we should vote them out so that...
they don't decide to mafia side in LYLO because it would be funny

you know how else you can make sure mafia don't win LYLO
killing the actually claimed non-town

If your goal is to just kill anybody who's not town kill SVS they have a higher chance of being mafia
not to mention
a higher chance of not being town

It was mostly a joke tutuu

[Porscha]

Would anyone like me to sing them a song

[Party Crasher]

It was mostly a joke tutuu

That was sheep i think

Would anyone like me to sing them a song

Yes please. Send a vocaroo, if you want

-t

[EnderWiggin]

Ender can you outline why I am mafia?

Game doesn't make sense entirely.

Golden is almost certainly not Soup mafia.

I've played with him being 3p but idc, he's not mafia.

Sloonei is not mafia with you and not mafia without you. Which makes him not mafia.

Party Crasher's play makes low sense as wolf. Maybe 3p again, but again I don't care.

S~V~S makes too much sense as 3p, I don't think they're mafia.

Which leaves me with Porscha/Dizzy/You/Guillo.

And idk, the way you've treated several things today just feels weird for you.

yes, but to remind you of you. Weird is NAI for me. look at the facts. D2 I was saying Wilgy + Sloonie paired. by your own logic Sloonie not mafia. Wilgy flipped town. Sloonie can be town. Which I have been softing since d2. I have also been in a neighbourhood and if you think like golden Its possible for me to snow nutella / urist / kate / michelle who are all confirmed town who all wanted me alive (though I will admit Michelle I shook for a bit before I explained what I was doing before she died) . They all (though Nutella cant confirm because she died) immediately understood why I was so scummy day 2 when I explained it in DND chat and accepted I was town. Kate shielded me in thread, Urist did too. Michelle didnt explode me (though to be fair that could have been to leave me to help with the cyclops) but basically unless you think I can snow them all, they town leaned me. So that leaves you with Porscha / Dizzy / Guillo.

You could snow a lot of people who don't expect you to actually think ahead when you're mafia.

Which is something you do.

[EnderWiggin]

Hey between Sig and Hollowkatt, im so spewed not Mod Squad at least

Modsquad dead stop derping.

[S~V~S]

I really want to vote pc because there is no way a group of people who didn't qualify for the game get to win the game but that is meta angle shooting

So
what's the logical through line here

Party Crasher cannot win so we should vote them out so that...
they don't decide to mafia side in LYLO because it would be funny

you know how else you can make sure mafia don't win LYLO
killing the actually claimed non-town

If your goal is to just kill anybody who's not town kill SVS they have a higher chance of being mafia
not to mention
a higher chance of not being town

At no point have they sincerely claimed to be town so like. Yeah lol

Agreed. I have never claimed to be town, I haven't really acted towny ever (except when I tried with tunnelling obvwolf Marmot, and was told that 'suspecting a wolf noone else suspects is in itself wolfy'), and found that was too much effort for too little reward, lol.

Having had a fair success as a wolf over the years, I posit that generally wolves do best by pretending to be town, not by pretending to be 3P, who town is generally eager to slaughter almost as much as wolves.

You don't have to hit ME over the head with a pitchfork more than 4-5 times for me to get the picture. I'll be back to vote.

Also, is PC an actual NPC? They must be having lots of fun in there, that would be frustrating, not being able to actually win, so they must be enjoying the game to be one of the most active players. And having fun is the point. Kudos to you PC, even if you want me dead.

[RondoDimBuckle]

ngl I was having fun not playing mafia soooo no cases from me tonight.

[Dyslexicon]

Yes, hello

[Dyslexicon]

SVS's wincon doesn't seem believable

she claims that:

1) she needs 4 people to AtE every day. at night she kills 1
2) she needs to do this for 4 days straight, to make 4 kills total. that means at total there need to be 7 different people AtEing this game
3) she needs to survive until the end of the game, and do the previous things to win

that is an impossible wincon

she is likely lying about something, and should not be left alive. AGAIN.

Wait that is an impossible wincon. I thought she only needed 4 during the course of the game.

I guess she could be lying mafia, but I think it's much more likely she's 3p. I don't think she's the type of player who comes up with a claim like this, certainly not alone. This also seems like a role that Nook would use.

Shouldn't really matter as I think we need to flip her today regardless. The more I think about it, the more unforgivable the Scotty chop becomes.

[Dyslexicon]

wolves dont need to pocket other wolves

WOLVES DONT BEED TO POCKET OTGER WOLVES

[Dyslexicon]

Rondo, Dizzy, Golden, Ender

All 4 of those participated in the scotty CFD

all 4 of those also avoided joining the death event. I believe 3 of them posted ITT around the event started (only Ender didn't?) which isn't a good look, since it looks like they could have participated

-t

I didn't join the event because I didn't know if I would be home in time. When I was home, it was filled.

At this rate it would be good for town to have me flipped. Which is incidentally why I'm voting Guillo and why I was voting Guillo last day before Falcon who voted him with me decided to go Scotty and I had a seizure.

[Dyslexicon]

I had BIG BRAIN when I woke up today and been thinking about it all day at work. Right now it seems like only decently sized brain, cause I'm not too sure, but

The theory is that PC is the last wolf and I think they are lost wolf.

If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it may be inherited by a third party, if they exist. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game.

Why is this here specifically? Because we have a lost wolf.

PC claimed bulletproof to not draw suspicion if someone tries shooting them. You know who usually is bulletproof? LOST WOLVES. So mafia don't shoot them, and also can possibly be recruited through being shot. A town role that is chop-proof seems unlikely to me.

I've long had a feeling that there aren't more than 6 mafia this game, considering what has been normal for GoCs in the past, and the amount of 3p also in the game. It feels like there's something wrong about the game state especially this day. And I think PC has been the one exploiting this, forcing a certain view into the thread, and then suddenly changing when there's good reason for the contrary, only to fall back again to the same one or two people.

I've thought PC was town because of flipped mafia being confused about their presence in the game, but that makes so much sense if PC is lost wolf and they didn't know this. I also think that if PC is lost wolf, they probably did know who mafia were. There's two reads that stands out as typical TMI to me, which is the wolf read on Marmot when that was counter to thread, and the town read on Scotty when that was counter to thread.

I thought about this a bunch today to the point where it was the only thing I could see. A lost wolf role would be perfect for a hydra slot. This feels more right than anything to me.

When catching up, Rondo feels townie again. The way he goes about Sloonei and the way he has reacted to PC today.

I have reasons to believe Guillo is town, because I feel the suspicion he has on me has been real. I'm pretty sure about this.

I don't think Golden is mafia. I think that would be the best mafia game I have ever seen, and I just think he comes across as obvious town.

Ender is actually the only other possibility I could see. If they are mafia, I haven't caught any sour notes during this entire game. It's possible, but unlikely to me.

Sloonei is only mafia if Rondo is mafia, and I don't think either one is true based on their play in thread today.

Porscha is out of mafia range afaic.

[Dyslexicon]

Inbefour SVS is just the last mafia and the game ends here

[Dyslexicon]

It's just that something feels wrong this game day in particular.

[Dyslexicon]

I said I'd town case myself, so I'll do that.

If you haven't guessed, I'm a VT variant, not going to which one.

i am vanilla town with an ability

An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?

I was going to say something about this, but I better not.

^This is why I reacted to Kate claiming VT like this. Because she claimed it, saying she had no powers, which I found weird. I tried to hint at this, if anyone else would pick that up, but the people who knew Kate was convinced she was town, so I concluded maybe it just was another type of role. But I wouldn't describe my role as having no powers.

Im your CC, we cant both have the same exact ability as town.

Gurl

Cape and Pyxxy flipped the same role. The VTs aren't VT-ing.

Which is why Kate's comment D1 is even more weird now

i am vanilla town with an ability

An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?

@Kate What did you have in mind here?

Which is also why I questioned Kate about it, because it confirmed to me that VTs weren't VTs and that probably was true for all VTs. I didn't know about the DnD thing obviously.

This is probably the easiest way to find me town.

I think the most clear thing that makes me town is actually this: When I was UNKNOWINGLY up for being shot by Wilgy with MR, I was actually so pissed. I fought very hard for that not to happen, and the game would be completely different if Wilgy would've shot me. And I was so frustrated by that, that I instantly went ahead and grabbed some crayons (which I've never used before btw) and some paper and drew a fucking horse with big letter of GIVE ME THE FUCKING PRIZE, because I was that determined to get the gun for myself and shoot mafia in the face. I can't have that reaction if I'm not town. The sad thing is that I thought I was going to shoot Marmot, but I was being a good boy and listened to Mac and Ender who said I shouldn't shoot Marmot. Not that my shot was bad, and maybe I wouldn't dare do it anyway, but you all don't know how close it was.

Also there's flipped mafia who talks to me knowing I'm town. Marmot in particular with his "Dizzy's case on me is good" thing, and how he avoided getting into serious discussion with me for the entire game. Which is the reason I suspected him in the first place, because it's a rerun of our very last game together where he also was mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

There you go.

So if that is not enough for people to see me as town, then I suggest the following: We chop SVS today. Should've been last day and I take full responsibility for being an idiot. There's a small chance she is mafia, and there's a definite chance she isn't telling the full truth about her claim and wincon. I will stay on Guillo today, and @Guillotine will shoot me. I'd prefer @Golden not to stay on actually. Rather someone else who is more in people's general PoE. However, it seems like I'm the one in everyone's PoE near the bottom, so just clear me tonight. In a shocking turn of events, I will flip green, something nobody could have ever foreseen. Very exciting stuff. I will cheer you one from beyond. And my money is on PC, but if you figure out something else, go for it.

[Dyslexicon]

I'll be around later tonight too.

[Party Crasher]

@Golden I would rather you unvote Guillo. You aren't poe i think, and everyone has dizzy in poe. If dizzy is mafia he will unvote guillo at the last second and there are some worlds where you being town and dying tonight is game losing

@Guillotine if you can stay around for eod it would be great. To monitor your votes. To self vote or unvote yourself as needed in the situation

@EnderWiggin please vote svs before day ends, just in case

-t

[Party Crasher]

Im paranoid of all scum voting on Guillo at the last second and actually chopping him

Please be careful with your votes

-t

[Party Crasher]

Im unsure if its even necessary to have Guillo shoot

There is no world where the mafia actually lets themselves die to him, right?

Im super, super, super paranoid about Guillo somehow getting chopped

There might be more day kills eod, svs might vote him, a random town might make a potato vote, god knows what will happen

Please can we play it safe

-t

[Golden]

Re me staying on guillo.

The issue is I think guillo will hero shoot me over dizzy.
But the other issue is if you want dizzy dead (I don't think we should) a second voter needs to be on there.

Personally I think we should solve this the old fashioned way but the reason I was actually on guillo was to test his roleclaim.

[Golden]

Im unsure if its even necessary to have Guillo shoot

There is no world where the mafia actually lets themselves die to him, right?

Im super, super, super paranoid about Guillo somehow getting chopped

There might be more day kills eod, svs might vote him, a random town might make a potato vote, god knows what will happen

Please can we play it safe

-t

I'm open to this but only if this is the overall town perspective.

[Golden]

I am 100% thoroughly convinced Dizzy is also town and shouldn't be in the solve btw at this point.

[Golden]

The solve should be, imo

SVS -> Ender/Guillo

[Golden]

BTW in BattleStar Galactica mafia SVS wasa a wolf who couldn't actually be elimmed... they just died once all the rest of the wolves were dead.

I'll lol if that's it again.

[Party Crasher]

I had BIG BRAIN when I woke up today and been thinking about it all day at work. Right now it seems like only decently sized brain, cause I'm not too sure, but

The theory is that PC is the last wolf and I think they are lost wolf.

If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it may be inherited by a third party, if they exist. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game.

Why is this here specifically? Because we have a lost wolf.

PC claimed bulletproof to not draw suspicion if someone tries shooting them. You know who usually is bulletproof? LOST WOLVES. So mafia don't shoot them, and also can possibly be recruited through being shot. A town role that is chop-proof seems unlikely to me.

I've long had a feeling that there aren't more than 6 mafia this game, considering what has been normal for GoCs in the past, and the amount of 3p also in the game. It feels like there's something wrong about the game state especially this day. And I think PC has been the one exploiting this, forcing a certain view into the thread, and then suddenly changing when there's good reason for the contrary, only to fall back again to the same one or two people.

I've thought PC was town because of flipped mafia being confused about their presence in the game, but that makes so much sense if PC is lost wolf and they didn't know this. I also think that if PC is lost wolf, they probably did know who mafia were. There's two reads that stands out as typical TMI to me, which is the wolf read on Marmot when that was counter to thread, and the town read on Scotty when that was counter to thread.

I thought about this a bunch today to the point where it was the only thing I could see. A lost wolf role would be perfect for a hydra slot. This feels more right than anything to me.

When catching up, Rondo feels townie again. The way he goes about Sloonei and the way he has reacted to PC today.

I have reasons to believe Guillo is town, because I feel the suspicion he has on me has been real. I'm pretty sure about this.

I don't think Golden is mafia. I think that would be the best mafia game I have ever seen, and I just think he comes across as obvious town.

Ender is actually the only other possibility I could see. If they are mafia, I haven't caught any sour notes during this entire game. It's possible, but unlikely to me.

Sloonei is only mafia if Rondo is mafia, and I don't think either one is true based on their play in thread today.

Porscha is out of mafia range afaic.

i call you sexy and this is what i get?

[Party Crasher]

anyway, I'll repeat what I said to rondo. you literally cannot kill us now unless you either wait until LYLO or you get guillo to pop our vest tonight. and again, if that's your choice, everyone else better stack on SVS to make sure she dies while two of us vote guillo