notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie u are voting for one of my toe core and getting voted by another one of my toe cores

U are mafia and u will be chopped in about 19 hours

Toe cores sound painful.

Who was voting for me, and why is Bereft town?

[Porscha]

Ok. Since I have gotten the reactions I wanted most Here you go:

Spoiler: show

Lucy / Syn interactions feel weird #1 - 16
Lucy shielding cape and him just going ok feels weird #22
Pyxxy telling Lucy to take a break looks good if she flips wolf. Or vice versa. #23
Syn pushing lucy when she looks wolfy could be partnered #27
Neon entry is rand neon
Cape posting a hilarious reads list #36 makes me want to town read him
Wilgy entry not calling himself a doctor #45 not good
Having opposite reads to the game for me is even not gooder #47
Cape calling wilgy town #50 not gooderest
Wilgy trying to unpartner cape #53
If Neon is wolf this is wilgy seeing TMI in her low energy entrance #54 but likely needs to push someone
Great post by Syn #60 not sure if its TMI but it feels good for the thread presence
Lucy attack on Syn not a good look for her #62
Neon vibing #64/65
Wilgy undermining a good read by Syn in replying to a wolf buddy and not to syns original attack #66
Neon pushing back against two wolves in thread looks good for her #67/68
Pocket attempt by Wilgy looks good for neon too #70/71
Neon pocketed #72/73
lol tutuu #81 - I now see this as doc fishing later or setting up to talk about mechanics / doc fishing
Tutuu defense of Syn #95 not out of wolf range but still feeling town - read on, it gets in wolf range
Wilgy trying to unpartner further with Cape / Lucy #106
Lucy spewing tutuu town #111 and soft shading wilgy for later
Seanzie slamming lucy here #117 looks good for him. Might be TMI on a partner being wolfy. But mostly just town
Lucy spewing Seanzie town #118
Seanzie forming a good push on Lucy with no wavering #119
Lucy wolftelling #120
Lucy trying to discredit Seanzie #121 and distract him with others
Bereft dumbtell / weak doctor claim feels scummy #123/124 but might be meta saying its NAI, refer to others
Wilgy replying to lucy light sus without sus and just de-partnering more #127
Wilgy soft defense of Lucy #130
Wilgy distancing from the syn push #132
Porschas entrance specifically quoting wilgy is not a good look for her #134 why that post?
Porscha second post to another wolf #137
Discrediting Falcon spewing him town #138
Porscha pop in and dip wolfy #139
Wilgy posting another reads list that is against my reads #143 (But spewing Bereft town)
Great look from pyxxy #144 voting wilgy out of the blue.
Not so great interacting with Lucy but it is a sex joke so.. meh #145
Falcon attacking Wilgy here is pretty stock standard for Falcon to attack for reads lists so early, so I cant town read him for it but its a good look #148
Wilgy making a joke that is probably closer to the truth #149
Falcon not looking good by buying into Wilgy's joke #154 back to NAI for you
Falcon voting wilgy is a good look #158
Falcon calling out Cape as Mafia #159 ok back to town you go
Wilgy soft defense of Cape #161
Tutuu soft defense of wilgy #166
Tutuu calling Lucy town #168 into the scum pile you go (But I mean... tutuu can be so wrong sometimes it hurts)
Light shade on falcon by tutuu, not good #169 trying to draw attention from wilgy?
holy shit, town reading all 3 of my scum reads. ok tutuu is wolf #171 this is disgusting to me because now I am going to have to deal with her on me all game but needs must
falcon ignoring wilgy and posting fluff in his face is a good look #172
Tutuu saying she throws every town game when that isnt true #174
falcon being falcon #175
Falcon calling out tutu's soft town read on cape #177 which I ignored early but now seems like an attempt to get cape into a town read for a big post.
tutuu voting falcon out of RVS #178
Amazing push by bereft on lucy #179
Lucy probing bereft #186 further spewing him town
Seanzie letting go of his slam dunk on Lucy not a good look #189 and to vote a town
Lucy / tutuu distancing #191
Cape first post on return is attacking lucy's town reading of Syn #192
Cape trying to pocket seanzie #194 good look for him ( Maybe distancing? But probably not)
Cape attacking Porscha and Bereft too #197 trying to widen the wolves possible targets and distancing with wilgy its a TwoFer!
Lucy noticing I am in the game and trying to interact with me knowing I can read her well but not @ing me which is hilarious. #199 And not even asking the question she wants to ask in the post loloolool
tutuu garbage post to inflate post count #207 and possibly get town read of nonsense
tutuu doctor hunting? #208
OH MY FUCKING GOD. Cape town reading two wolves and falcon spewing him town #209 These wolves are SO FUCKING BALLSY. I blame tutuu's influence.
tutuu softing she knows a wolf but its not falcon #210 further spewing him town.
Tutuu talking about mechanics instead of wolf finding #211
tutuu doing more mech talk #213
tutuu stating the obvious to try and blend #214
Lucy calling out Cape/Syn/pyxxy/falcon/neon - wamp wamp, 1 out of 5 #216
Cape talking about mech with tutuu #217
I dont understand what is going on in #219 but 3 wolves are involved. Include #221 what is going on in this nonsense?
Cape trying to help Lucy pivot how she treated syn into a reaction test quoting not even the right post #220 and not involving syn in the conversation
Syn distancing from Cape while trying to set Syn up as a viable subject #222 also calling pyxxy / falcon / neon impossible to read to further cloud the waters. I have found them just fine.
Lucy setting up a soft defense and a reason for a hard defense of tutuu and cape #223
Neon still pocketed #224/225
Cape probing seanzie about why he switched his vote #226 wolves dont need to pocket other wolves. I will have it as NAI for now but its worth looking into later. Face value seanzie still town.
Lucy distancing from cape even after setting up a soft defense into a hard defense on him #228
Distancing by protecting faclon #229 who is currently wolf reading him to try and pocket
Cape further defending falcon to try and pocket and also distance against Lucy #231 Another TwoFer!
Weird post by tutuu #233 sussing falcon? just being mean to him?
Lucy backing off falcon #234 but not really doing anything with what she learned, not town reading him for sure.
Further lucy distancing from Cape #235
Amazing post by Neon! #236 good push back against Lucy list of wolves with 1 wolf in it
Cape looking for Neon to give him a town read #237
Neon noooo, Cape gets his town read #239
Neon replying to Lucy's attempt to pocket in #238 and it looks like she is pocketed, but she tells the truth.
Neon being towny af #242 terrible read I know but she doesnt have to give this information and she wants to be town read but isnt giving it away for free. plus I know who the wolves are
Cape giving Lucy a nice town read #244 then walking it back, then saying woe is me Lucy doesnt town read me / Syn when she said it earlier, good sus on Lucy then wiffle waffles on a solid wolf read. [SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT #62 which I have above and agrees with me it looks bad]
Cape spewing Neon town further #245/246 but not giving her a town read
Lucy responding to Cape sus by saying she will protect him further #247
Neon asking cape for something and Lucy replying with it #248 > 249 to look towny and help cape out Another Two-Fer!\
Tutuu giving cape a lock town. Terrible #250
Tutuu distancing from Lucy with a fake derp #252/253 and Lucy giving her that derp #254
Cape giving wilgy some soft D #255 and a town read for Porschas pop in, not good but not solid on porscha wolf yet.
Holy crap neon is pocketed #256/257
Cape soft sus on Tutuu while trying to get a town read for Wilgy #258
Porscha going at cape #259/260 could be a good look? But its kinda weak
Cape trying to bring Falcon round #262
dont know what this is about? #263
Cape trying to pocket Porscha #264 good look for her
tutuu giving the opposite meta for wilgy into the chat #265 responding to both cape and porscha but not quoting any posts
tutuu and Cape patting each other on the back for a job well done #266/267
tutuu weird pocket post on pyxxy and not stating who she voted for #268
tutuu post padding #269/271/272/273
Cape sneaking in a little town read on tutuu that he can walk back as a joke later #274
Lucy sneaking in a little town read on tutuu that she can walk back as a joke later #276
Lucy attempting to pocket me without tagging me a second time #277 and Le petite. They havent posted yet but I am going to give them a town read
Neon and Porscha not reading the thread back and forth at each other for a while. Could be a porscha pocket attempt on Neon but it could just be t/t
Not a good look for Porscha #287 but she can be oblivious.
Good call out from Porscha on tutuu about Lucy, Double whammy #290 she can have a town read
Syn defending Falcon or giving meta out about him, either way good look #292
Porscha giving real doc cover #293 even better look
Lucy talking about mechanics #295
Lucy actually @ing someone they want to interact with and probing Syn to try and get them on site #299
Good push back from Porscha and funnily enough spot fucking on #302
oof swing and a miss Porscha #304 better luck next time.
Lucy attempting to pocket Porscha #305
==While I am writing this up, funnily enough Lucy is live posting with me in thread and she has yet to actually interact with me, so much for wanting to ask me a question or be hype that I am in the player list. This is also twice I will have subbed in and caught Lucy. Better luck next time ==
Lucy putting some wifom into thread falcon/her #308 good look for falcon
Porscha nooo #309 back into the scum pile for town reading a wolf
Porscha doing a good call out on why falcon #310
Porscha doing a good call out on Cape for his falcon sus #312 and a secondary callout on lucy perception
Lucy trying to play Porschas sus off as a joke #314 back into the town pile porscha for being pocketed
Neon sussing Porscha #318 I want to say Bad Neon but Porscha has been a bit double sided and there is a wolf involved in that conversation so. Good instincts
Porscha / Lucy fluff posting #317 - 325
===Hah I just checked back after "I have solved the game" and Lucy is too terrified to reply to me and ask for my solve===
Fail embed Lucy #329 - Not actually alignment indicative but I had to call it out lol
Seanzie wolfy popin #331 Not actually giving him wolf points I wanted to call that out too
Tutuu soft defending Lucy from Porschas sus #333 good look for her.
Wilgy pocketing Porscha #335
Then Wilgy moves to pocket Neon #336 - a lot of fluff posts from Wilgy with non wolves and actual posts with wolves
wilgy pushing back on tutuu town reading him #337 great distancing
Wilgy TMIing falcon town #338
Wilgy voting Bereft, possibly going to call it an RVS later if he gets pushback #339
Conveniently removing Berefts town read but not moving porsha? Not a good look. #340 but it is a quote of cape and he doesnt touch Seanzie either
Wilgy sussing Falcon, falling cleverly for his trap card #341
Fluff posting against tutuu's big post of obvious stuff on how to play mafia #342
Wilgy putting some nice wifom in his ISO by protecting Falcon / Neon from Lucy #344
Wilgy not agreeing or disagreeing with Capes sus not sus on Lucy and saying its complicated but coming to no conclusion #345
Wilgy after just sussing Falcon agreeing with Syn that he atracts the hounds #346
Wilgy susing tutuu but not actually calling her out so later he can say "BUT I SUSSED HER" for her doc claim #347
Wilgy giving tutuu a town read and Lucy and Cape. Calling Falcon town so he will leave him alone and Porscha at the bottom #348 I cant decide if its a good or bad look for porscha but considering all my other wolf reads are higher Wilgy is going hard or home much like every other wolf this game. Meaning Porscha is probably town. || Also, he susses bereft for not giving reads and seanzies 'bait' votes not doing anything as red flags - which can also be seen as a soft defense on Lucy.
Sheep entering and vibing with wilgy. NAI but not a good look #351
Sheep doing something with tutuu's doc post not sure what #354
Sheep calling out a good weird cape post #355
Wilgy trying to pocket sheep with a meme #356
Sheep calling out tutuu's we decide who is getting targeted read as bad is good #357 but then says level 0 advancing the game tsk tsk
Not a good post from Sheep #359 plenty to gather
OH LORD sheep town reading the whole wolf gang #360
Sheep laughing at Wilgy's attack on Berefts declinding to answer Lucy good look #362
Seanzie sheeping sheep hopefully is a joke, but his lack of attack on Wilgy for sussing him is interesting #363
Seanzie might be right on bereft but I think I am right on Lucy so he has good insticts but wrong target #364 downgrading bereft a little
Cape fishing for Porscha to townread him #365
Cape soft defends wilgy and sus' for Falcon #366
Cape getting some nice lucy sus out into the world #367 but not doing anything with it just saying Lucy is hostile.
Cape pulling Seanzies focus from the Lucy / Mac post and pushing Bereft NAI #369 probably trying to prompt Seanzie to look there
Good push back from Porscha on tutuu #370
Cape defending Bereft who is looking to be the main push to get towny points for when he flips #371 bereft back in the town pile
oh porscha... giving cape a town read #372
Falcon looking sexy with a cape vote #373
tutuu pinging everyone in the game looking for reads on the whole wolf team + neon. Bold stratergy because everyone will flip them up or down. Unfortunately I have my goggles on straight. #374 Great wifom attempt
Pyxxy with the great callout #378 Lucy's list of 1-2 wolves was everyone who had posted bar Lucy / Wilgy / Seanzie. So nice attempt at Wifom from Lucy and again great pickup from Pyxxy. Seanzie back in town
Great callout on how to doc cover from Pyxxy #379 but unfortunately to a wolf so nothing will happen from it.
Pyxxy pocketed by Lucy/tutuu af #380/381
===When I finally post a fake reads list of nonsense and fluff Lucy decides its safe to interact with me===
OOF Sheep town reading all the wolves AGAIN #386 back in you go
Pyxxy giving tutuu some good looking #387
Sheep! Great call out on tutuu #388
tutuu playing it off as a generational difference #391
Sheep not understanding tutuu good look and possibly calling out cape #392/393
I have no clue from tutuu #394 but its a soft defend of cape / lucy
Sheep not taking it #395
Cape defending himself when tutuu fails #396
tutuu trying to force the conversation to move on from something damning #399
Yuuuck Pyxxy so fuckin snowed #401 gives a town read to lucy/cape and a neutral on wilgy/tutuu and a sus on the only town in the list moving into a neutral
Sheep good call out of Cape attacking town wim #406 back to the town pile
Cape trying to push sus onto Tutuu who he knows can handle it well #407
Cape setting up to push me later and anyone else he thinks is NAI in playstyle #408 Calling neon/falcon/porscha/syn and it's also looking like bereft NAI, way to keep the pool of miselims open. with a further sus on porscha and neon. Feeling better about Porscha. sliding le petit in at the end, smooth.
Tutuu town reading the whole crew and not herself but implying it. Adding Sheep / pyxxy for snow and neon for more snow but giving herself room to move later #409 Oh also giving herself room on all the reads by saying they are gut reads. So much wiffle waffle.
Cape giving the reason why he didnt add pyxxy to his above list on 408 for the very post where he town read half the wolves #410 and a soft defense of lucy wim
No Pyxxy no dont town read the wolf #411
Great post by falcon calling lucy out #412 unfortunately he doesnt see that wilgy is stirring the pot already and gives him a town read. Well falcon is 2 for 4 on wolves town read but at least he scum read the other half. But he has scum read Neon.
Pyxxy officially pocketed by Cape #413
Faclon attack on Tutuu good #414
Falcon 2/3 for 415 calling out lucy and cape.
cape soft defends tutuu #416
tutuu protecting cape from falcon #417 trying to snow falcon with a town read by giving him a pat on the head for scum reading cape
pyxxy resisting the cape and calling him out for his weirdness good job #418
tutuu setting bereft up for a miselim for voting cape #419 good wifom and defense at the same time. I forgot I was saying TwoFer! I am bringing it back.
=== I note that tutuu and wilgy are on him right now so he is the chosen miselim making him town ===
Cape soft attacks me while defending from Falcon, lol also listing a game full of people he has trouble with >lists only neon #420 yolo swaggit <vuvuzella noises>
NO FALCON NO! town reading Cape #424
Tutuu joke posting that myself bereft syn and le petit are mafia for number of posts but will probably walk back if pushed on it as a joke #426
Neon looking good by denying tutuu the town read of all 4 wolves #429
Cape pushing Porscha, lumps her in with Lucy, for town reading her and falcon at the same time when LUCY is the one that asked for the read hahah, good work Cape/Lucy nice try. Throwing in her sus on Cape as a reason to sus her(Porscha) as a flip 180, Porscha did say some rather conflicting things I will agree but this post just reeks #430
Falcon voting neon, cmon wake up again #431
Cape signal boosting Tutuu's joke sus for more eyes to see on a different page #432
Falcon forgetting sabi isnt in the game or joking at her either way lol #435
===lol I just checked the OP, 3 wolves, oh well I have put 1 extra in for luck===
Cape sussing neon #436
tuutuu putting cape on top again and lucy as her bottom town for good measure and neon into wilgy is good play #438
Cape attacking Falcon with TMI #446 encouraging town on town violence with falcon / neon
syn looking gorgeous #450 calling out tutuu for her egregious play.
tutuu joking back in return #451
Neon well and truely snowed #453
Syn defending her take looks good #454
Bereft backing her up #455 looks good
Enter Rondo #456
Neon backing up tutuu not a good look #458 and sussing me in the process, cmon Neon.
Porscha snowed by tutuu #464 and sussing me
Porscha defending from Cape and her falcon town read, good look #465
Lucy responding to Tutuu's wolf list and calls cape town, wilgy soft town and tutuu scum with neon #469 defends cape, soft defends wilgy and while having neon/tutuu as her bottom list says they arent scum or town. Way to keep your options open on neon
Me being awesome #472
Lucy distancing from Cape by agreeing with him and then trimming the post so it doesnt show up full when someone re-reads the iso and sees pyxxy's statement #473
Lucy hard sussing falcon for calling out Lucy/Cape but doesnt have a read on Neon even though she hard defends cape and herself #475
Syn agreeing on Lucy/Neon/Cape with Falcon looks good #477
Me being hilarious #478
Lucy trying to pocket me #479
tutuu trying to pocket me #481

so i see your
1. town
2. play by partner association reads

how has #2 worked out for you

i personally find it a hot garbage way to find mafia

it won me KOTH

Late game retrospective reads with actual flips probably wields better results (in general) than what you've done today for example

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

@Seanzie was the vote on Bereft because Bereft said

@Bereft what's ur read on me

My read is that you are impatient.

this about your wolfread, lucy??

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:

wigly ur so active, why aren't you with your boyfriend tonight or something?

LMAO ok lucy town

i was cautious about giving u a tr out of respect for u queen but i think ur town

epic, in pre game i discussed the list w mac and ur one of the best villas (with terrible games too), i'll treat you as town today cause i'd never lynch u d1 in this list, ever

This post could have been written without the information that you discussed the playerlist with Mac pregame and we would have lost nothing. So I'm curious, what exactly did Mac contribute and what other tea do you have to spill.

the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

[Porscha]

thanks

i love toxicity

i said "good to know syn is a useless townie" to see if you would push me for wolfslipping you as town

i was gonna have you as my top town after that, but you didn't which means you're not actively solving my slot

v unfortunate

I low key noticed something similar in Syn trying to make a Wilgy presence read as opposed to interacting with my read list.

You noticed what?

@DrWilgy

Behavior indicative of not solving.

At that point I had felt that I had given the thread at least something in the form of a bullshit reads list. Several tried to interface with it so it was odd when Syn didn't.

Why would he since it was obvious it was BS? I would question the folks who engaged with it lol. But you didn't and were happy to discuss it when it was obviously just rand or TMI.

Beside how is him posting a read about you and explaning it is not indicative of solving? Within the first 2 hours?

Hot

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

@Seanzie was the vote on Bereft because Bereft said

@Bereft what's ur read on me

My read is that you are impatient.

this about your wolfread, lucy??

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:

wigly ur so active, why aren't you with your boyfriend tonight or something?

LMAO ok lucy town

i was cautious about giving u a tr out of respect for u queen but i think ur town

epic, in pre game i discussed the list w mac and ur one of the best villas (with terrible games too), i'll treat you as town today cause i'd never lynch u d1 in this list, ever

This post could have been written without the information that you discussed the playerlist with Mac pregame and we would have lost nothing. So I'm curious, what exactly did Mac contribute and what other tea do you have to spill.

the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

[Porscha]

Wilgy entry not calling himself a doctor #45 not good

most ppl have opened up this game by not calling themselves doctor. Syn/lucy/me/pyxxy/seanzie/neon... etc. Not sure what point you are making here

this is mostly a joke and a trap for people to call out. Glad you did. Wilgy always enters and says he is a doctor, this game he did not. Not note worthy in and of itself but note worthy enough that he felt he didnt want to open that way. Almost like he wanted to live for a longer time or not have people ask "why are you not dead yet when you have claimed doctor"?????

Okay 1) wilgy mentioning that he is a doctor is nai
2) if it was town indicative why would he forego his usual town act to avoid serious accusations against his joke (the joke being that he is a doctor) so that rondodimbootleg could come in here and say the above post

(To be clear I am SR'ing wigly atm and this not a defense but I also refuse to pick up what you are putting down with this specific argument)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

[RondoDimBuckle]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

[Porscha]

NOTORIOUS HEDGEHOG 14ER MOTHERFUCKERS

FEATURING:

Wilgy and Neon googling "Dark Magician Girl NSFW":



Bereft composing the most exquisite way to make a post about calling someone an idiot:



Le petit on his way to catch the mafia:



Pyxxy and Cape having the least awkward dialogue:



Lucy writing the most elaborate flame due to getting scumread:



Syn vocally and enthusiastically contributing to anything and everything:



Sheep's brain replaying this over and over:



Rondo catching the entire wolfteam:



Seanzie posting his TOWNSTREAKING gimmick at the start of every game:



Porscha eating all my sushi:



Falcon being awesome:

I really enjoy these posts. Good content. Like entertainment content. Please do this every game

[robyn]

Neon iso

► Show Spoiler

Asks what she walked into (i posted losts of sexual inneudos)
Calls wigly’s SR on her omgus (weird bc rvs)
Asks if she needs to make a sex joke to fit in and doesn’t respond to me defending her from wigly for her entrance
Lots and lots of fluff
Self deprecates and calls herself the worst town in the list
Calls my random list of 1-2 mafia in 5 players bad (without reasoning)
Calls herself hard to read but not unsolvable because she keeps on changing her alignment indicative tells across games
Lots and lots of fluff (and shades me and doesn’t respond to the me when i give a response about why i asked about my/porscha’s alignments)
P#429 refuses to give reads on some players (not solving/spew management)
Shades falcon incorrectly when falcon points out how there’s no solving in neon’s iso and that he would kill her
Calls herself out of wolf meta? I don’t understand because she’s posted nothing but shade and fluff as of post #439
Acknowledges that she hasn’t been towny and says she’ll get towny later
Weirdly shades falcon again when cape jokingly calls him scummy
Agrees with tutuu’s readslist and agrees with cape and disagrees when syn says all wolves were in the town list
Says that everyone who is TWBTW should die with impunity before lylo
Asks for tutuu to explain his reads (actually solving)
Says her vote on me is locked

Other shit fest i won’t read because it was with me

Gonna call her neutral, there’s barely any solving and she’s pressured me but she's the only one who wanted me to stop being a filthy 19yo which is towny, also idk if she’d argue with me like that as scum

[Porscha]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

[robyn]

Wilgy entry not calling himself a doctor #45 not good

most ppl have opened up this game by not calling themselves doctor. Syn/lucy/me/pyxxy/seanzie/neon... etc. Not sure what point you are making here

this is mostly a joke and a trap for people to call out. Glad you did. Wilgy always enters and says he is a doctor, this game he did not. Not note worthy in and of itself but note worthy enough that he felt he didnt want to open that way. Almost like he wanted to live for a longer time or not have people ask "why are you not dead yet when you have claimed doctor"?????

Okay 1) wilgy mentioning that he is a doctor is nai
2) if it was town indicative why would he forego his usual town act to avoid serious accusations against his joke (the joke being that he is a doctor) so that rondodimbootleg could come in here and say the above post

(To be clear I am SR'ing wigly atm and this not a defense but I also refuse to pick up what you are putting down with this specific argument)

can u engage with my wigly iso

[RondoDimBuckle]

You realise I will just have a collection of coke sniffing gifs right?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Neon iso

Spoiler: show

Asks what she walked into (i posted losts of sexual inneudos)
Calls wigly’s SR on her omgus (weird bc rvs)
Asks if she needs to make a sex joke to fit in and doesn’t respond to me defending her from wigly for her entrance
Lots and lots of fluff
Self deprecates and calls herself the worst town in the list
Calls my random list of 1-2 mafia in 5 players bad (without reasoning)
Calls herself hard to read but not unsolvable because she keeps on changing her alignment indicative tells across games
Lots and lots of fluff (and shades me and doesn’t respond to the me when i give a response about why i asked about my/porscha’s alignments)
P#429 refuses to give reads on some players (not solving/spew management)
Shades falcon incorrectly when falcon points out how there’s no solving in neon’s iso and that he would kill her
Calls herself out of wolf meta? I don’t understand because she’s posted nothing but shade and fluff as of post #439
Acknowledges that she hasn’t been towny and says she’ll get towny later
Weirdly shades falcon again when cape jokingly calls him scummy
Agrees with tutuu’s readslist and agrees with cape and disagrees when syn says all wolves were in the town list
Says that everyone who is TWBTW should die with impunity before lylo
Asks for tutuu to explain his reads (actually solving)
Says her vote on me is locked

Other shit fest i won’t read because it was with me

Gonna call her neutral, there’s barely any solving and she’s pressured me but she's the only one who wanted me to stop being a filthy 19yo which is towny, also idk if she’d argue with me like that as scum

[Porscha]

Kay. You are acting like a spoiled child Lucy.

You signed up for a game of mafia so I really don't care that you are acting like a 5 year old because someone pushed you D1 in a game where you've contributed net zero beneficial content to town.

You signed up to play a game of mafia so play a fucking game of mafia.

lmao but this isn't compelling at all, it's only increasing my desire to spite u

Lucy is a brat who needs a dom so bad fr fr

For legal reasons this is a joke of the sexual variety

[RondoDimBuckle]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

Not asking just phone posting while cuddling and watching a movie. So I'll change it tomorrow if I am still alive

[Porscha]

Wilgy entry not calling himself a doctor #45 not good

most ppl have opened up this game by not calling themselves doctor. Syn/lucy/me/pyxxy/seanzie/neon... etc. Not sure what point you are making here

this is mostly a joke and a trap for people to call out. Glad you did. Wilgy always enters and says he is a doctor, this game he did not. Not note worthy in and of itself but note worthy enough that he felt he didnt want to open that way. Almost like he wanted to live for a longer time or not have people ask "why are you not dead yet when you have claimed doctor"?????

Okay 1) wilgy mentioning that he is a doctor is nai
2) if it was town indicative why would he forego his usual town act to avoid serious accusations against his joke (the joke being that he is a doctor) so that rondodimbootleg could come in here and say the above post

(To be clear I am SR'ing wigly atm and this not a defense but I also refuse to pick up what you are putting down with this specific argument)

can u engage with my wigly iso

Yeah when I get there in catch up
I'm actively depriving myself of sleep cuz I work in the morning

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Giving lucy some space isn't wolfy

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

To be fair I did do it lol

[Seanzie]

Well I choose the wrong page to start reading from...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Kay. You are acting like a spoiled child Lucy.

You signed up for a game of mafia so I really don't care that you are acting like a 5 year old because someone pushed you D1 in a game where you've contributed net zero beneficial content to town.

You signed up to play a game of mafia so play a fucking game of mafia.

lmao but this isn't compelling at all, it's only increasing my desire to spite u

Lucy is a brat who needs a dom so bad fr fr

For legal reasons this is a joke of the sexual variety

So am I

I mean... what.

[Porscha]

Jesus christ I dont think I'm getting thru all 8 pages I'm behind on tonight I'll read and respond what I respond to

Hi Porscha talk to me about anything please...I literally don't care if it's game related or not

Hi did you beat fe

[Porscha]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

To be fair I did do it lol

Yeh but I wanted rondo to tell me why it was sr worthy

[robyn]

Kay. You are acting like a spoiled child Lucy.

You signed up for a game of mafia so I really don't care that you are acting like a 5 year old because someone pushed you D1 in a game where you've contributed net zero beneficial content to town.

You signed up to play a game of mafia so play a fucking game of mafia.

lmao but this isn't compelling at all, it's only increasing my desire to spite u

Lucy is a brat who needs a dom so bad fr fr

For legal reasons this is a joke of the sexual variety

@Lilypetal

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Jesus christ I dont think I'm getting thru all 8 pages I'm behind on tonight I'll read and respond what I respond to

Hi Porscha talk to me about anything please...I literally don't care if it's game related or not

Hi did you beat fe

Not yet but I'm okay with spoilers

I cri that there's no paired endings and it mildly killed my WiM to play lol

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

@Seanzie was the vote on Bereft because Bereft said

@Bereft what's ur read on me

My read is that you are impatient.

this about your wolfread, lucy??

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:

LMAO ok lucy town

i was cautious about giving u a tr out of respect for u queen but i think ur town

epic, in pre game i discussed the list w mac and ur one of the best villas (with terrible games too), i'll treat you as town today cause i'd never lynch u d1 in this list, ever

This post could have been written without the information that you discussed the playerlist with Mac pregame and we would have lost nothing. So I'm curious, what exactly did Mac contribute and what other tea do you have to spill.

the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

I'm still comfortable with my bereft vote, but I should probably iso them after I read a bit since I haven't read the whole game.

[robyn]

Bereft iso

► Show Spoiler

Calls himself weak doctor
Asks me why i included good ole macdougal in a post and what it did for the game (kinda good question kinda unnecessary)
Thinks that syn’s read of tutuu’s readslist is bad too (it is shit)
Thinks inactive players not townreading active players is good for them as a whole
Disagrees with how me and others are engaging with rondo because rondo went on a conf bias fest in an unserious way and i took it very seriously
Wants to call me town publicly (kinda did) and also thinks my treatment of rondo wasn’t the best (reasonable)
Calls me unreasonably emotional (true)
Publicly says he’s been townspewed, and disliked cape’s treatment of him and doesn’t understand why cape is being tr by everyone and asks for a good reason why
Calls sheep probably town because meta

Not too active but there’s content and depth of thought that’s towny, tr for now

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

To be fair I did do it lol

Yeh but I wanted rondo to tell me why it was sr worthy

I too would like to no

[Porscha]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

Not asking just phone posting while cuddling and watching a movie. So I'll change it tomorrow if I am still alive

Sorry I clearly did not phrase this well lol. I was asking you what wolfy intent neon would have to ask thread about the stealth vote switch because it is now objectively not stealthy

[robyn]

Rondo
Cape
Wigly
Bereft
tutuu

neon

syn

i'll do more tomorrow

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

@Seanzie was the vote on Bereft because Bereft said

My read is that you are impatient.

this about your wolfread, lucy??

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:

epic, in pre game i discussed the list w mac and ur one of the best villas (with terrible games too), i'll treat you as town today cause i'd never lynch u d1 in this list, ever

This post could have been written without the information that you discussed the playerlist with Mac pregame and we would have lost nothing. So I'm curious, what exactly did Mac contribute and what other tea do you have to spill.

the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

I'm still comfortable with my bereft vote, but I should probably iso them after I read a bit since I haven't read the whole game.

This is not enough beans, sean. I need more beans. Empty your bag of beans. This is a stick up

[Porscha]

@Seanzie was the vote on Bereft because Bereft said



this about your wolfread, lucy??

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:

This post could have been written without the information that you discussed the playerlist with Mac pregame and we would have lost nothing. So I'm curious, what exactly did Mac contribute and what other tea do you have to spill.

the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

I'm still comfortable with my bereft vote, but I should probably iso them after I read a bit since I haven't read the whole game.

This is not enough beans, sean. I need more beans. Empty your bag of beans. This is a stick up

Ftr I am making a joke out of the fact that i am unsatisfied with your answer otherwise everybody thinks I'm posting no content cuz they just dont get me

[RondoDimBuckle]

Bereft iso

Spoiler: show

Calls himself weak doctor
Asks me why i included good ole macdougal in a post and what it did for the game (kinda good question kinda unnecessary)
Thinks that syn’s read of tutuu’s readslist is bad too (it is shit)
Thinks inactive players not townreading active players is good for them as a whole
Disagrees with how me and others are engaging with rondo because rondo went on a conf bias fest in an unserious way and i took it very seriously
Wants to call me town publicly (kinda did) and also thinks my treatment of rondo wasn’t the best (reasonable)
Calls me unreasonably emotional (true)
Publicly says he’s been townspewed, and disliked cape’s treatment of him and doesn’t understand why cape is being tr by everyone and asks for a good reason why
Calls sheep probably town because meta

Not too active but there’s content and depth of thought that’s towny, tr for now

Fixed

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie was the vote on Bereft because Bereft said



this about your wolfread, lucy??

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:

This post could have been written without the information that you discussed the playerlist with Mac pregame and we would have lost nothing. So I'm curious, what exactly did Mac contribute and what other tea do you have to spill.

the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

I'm still comfortable with my bereft vote, but I should probably iso them after I read a bit since I haven't read the whole game.

This is not enough beans, sean. I need more beans. Empty your bag of beans. This is a stick up

a lack of beans sounds more like a you problem than a me problem.

[RondoDimBuckle]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

To be fair I did do it lol

Yeh but I wanted rondo to tell me why it was sr worthy

I too would like to no

Its simple your dismissal of my view of your scummy theatre with lucy plus moving your vote at an opportune time after the chaos shows that you can't be town core and cape voting for lpp moves him Up win win

[Porscha]

Lucy also never self votes as town in this position she thunder domes me which is outing.

On one hand I've definitely watched her vote herself out for no reason other than being dramatic when she was town

But on the other hand it wasnt day 1 either

No I mean, the thread position she took if you look at it as a more strategy based game like chess is that I must be finding her town or I am wolf. If I am pushing her and not letting go ergo I must be wolf. if I am wolf and she is town she would not hesistate to thunderdome me. So she knows I am town and has let it leak by not thunderdoming me which is what Lucy SHOULD have done if she was town. The fact she will not shows she is wolf. (Coupled with a lot of other factors that I have also layed out)

Its less about what she has done and more about what she should have done for her position logically as town.

Rondo I think this is a very good post and i believe you believe it but i also unfortunately tr lucy instead

[Porscha]

I don't know why I didn't see this before. No, it was this post:



the focus on Lucy mentioning Mac didn't sit well with me. They're saying Mac is irrelevant, but then questioning Lucy further about Mac. Feels less like they're trying to read Lucy and more like they're just trying to look like they're doing something.

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

I'm still comfortable with my bereft vote, but I should probably iso them after I read a bit since I haven't read the whole game.

This is not enough beans, sean. I need more beans. Empty your bag of beans. This is a stick up

a lack of beans sounds more like a you problem than a me problem.

Sean you dont understand. I just really really really really really need sean specific beans as soon as possible

[Porscha]

What if I just did a stealth vote switch here

Not a good look from neon, switching LPP out and neon in

Why ask thread instead of just doing it

To be fair I did do it lol

Yeh but I wanted rondo to tell me why it was sr worthy

I too would like to no

Its simple your dismissal of my view of your scummy theatre with lucy plus moving your vote at an opportune time after the chaos shows that you can't be town core and cape voting for lpp moves him Up win win

Cape was already town and I wont call neon / Lucy theater

[RondoDimBuckle]

Lucy also never self votes as town in this position she thunder domes me which is outing.

On one hand I've definitely watched her vote herself out for no reason other than being dramatic when she was town

But on the other hand it wasnt day 1 either

No I mean, the thread position she took if you look at it as a more strategy based game like chess is that I must be finding her town or I am wolf. If I am pushing her and not letting go ergo I must be wolf. if I am wolf and she is town she would not hesistate to thunderdome me. So she knows I am town and has let it leak by not thunderdoming me which is what Lucy SHOULD have done if she was town. The fact she will not shows she is wolf. (Coupled with a lot of other factors that I have also layed out)

Its less about what she has done and more about what she should have done for her position logically as town.

Rondo I think this is a very good post and i believe you believe it but i also unfortunately tr lucy instead

Ok but I am not going to do any more solving this game

Spoiler: show

till my scum reads flip

[robyn]

sorry about my ate

[robyn]

gn

[Porscha]

the actual situation doesn’t even matter, it’s thatyou’re wrong on me and now you’re gonna pay the price and i will painfully show you

God you're so 19 sometimes fr fr lol go to your room you're grounded

Look, I remember being 19. Forgive her for she knows not what she does.

Only wilgy receives my undying forgiveness

[Porscha]

Lucy also never self votes as town in this position she thunder domes me which is outing.

On one hand I've definitely watched her vote herself out for no reason other than being dramatic when she was town

But on the other hand it wasnt day 1 either

No I mean, the thread position she took if you look at it as a more strategy based game like chess is that I must be finding her town or I am wolf. If I am pushing her and not letting go ergo I must be wolf. if I am wolf and she is town she would not hesistate to thunderdome me. So she knows I am town and has let it leak by not thunderdoming me which is what Lucy SHOULD have done if she was town. The fact she will not shows she is wolf. (Coupled with a lot of other factors that I have also layed out)

Its less about what she has done and more about what she should have done for her position logically as town.

Rondo I think this is a very good post and i believe you believe it but i also unfortunately tr lucy instead

Ok but I am not going to do any more solving this game

Spoiler: show

till my scum reads flip

So be it

[Seanzie]

Is this read deterministic of Lucy's alignment?

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

I'm still comfortable with my bereft vote, but I should probably iso them after I read a bit since I haven't read the whole game.

This is not enough beans, sean. I need more beans. Empty your bag of beans. This is a stick up

a lack of beans sounds more like a you problem than a me problem.

Sean you dont understand. I just really really really really really need sean specific beans as soon as possible

Oh, I understand. I just care a lot less about your lack of beans than I do about getting on my flight.

[Porscha]

wigly ur so active, why aren't you with your boyfriend tonight or something?

LMAO ok lucy town

i was cautious about giving u a tr out of respect for u queen but i think ur town

Can you articulate pls?

LMAO ok lucy town

i was cautious about giving u a tr out of respect for u queen but i think ur town

How exactly did this extremely nai comment from lucy convince you it was AI

funny = town

No lol...

tx lol. problematic read lol

One hundo

I missed the opportunity to say one hundodimbuckle

Fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu[redacted]

[Porscha]

No, but I'd gth Lucy town for other reasons.

Sean idc about who you tr I care about who you dont tr
Spill the beans

I'm still comfortable with my bereft vote, but I should probably iso them after I read a bit since I haven't read the whole game.

This is not enough beans, sean. I need more beans. Empty your bag of beans. This is a stick up

a lack of beans sounds more like a you problem than a me problem.

Sean you dont understand. I just really really really really really need sean specific beans as soon as possible

Oh, I understand. I just care a lot less about your lack of beans than I do about getting on my flight.

Look, Sean, just hand over all the beans at your earliest convenience

(I do not make a good robber)

[Porscha]

DrWigly iso

► Show Spoiler

“Lol this game is free

Cape T
Lucy T
Syn T
Pyxxy W
Neon W
(votes neon)”
Does this on page 1 and pushes neon because she wasn’t partaking in the sexual innuendo fest, which he partakes in himself, and because she was low energy (actually trying to solve and understand neon which is towny)
Laughs off syn shade
Is generally jokey, in line with the established game tone, idk whether it’s natural or intentionally trying to fit in
A bunch of card game posts with neon
And noticed the same thing about weird syn shade, supports my reasoning
Retorts to syn that 2 people have reacted to his readslist (keeping track)
Asks why seanzie thinks im a wolf, trying to understand seanzie
Adds “Also add to that list
Seanzie N
Bereft T
Porscha T”
To his readlist
Is generally joking around and having a good time in the thread, seems natural and not stilted and not pushing an agenda
Responds to a falcon post and asks falcon why cape is scummy
Denies that an action is towny for wigly (very rand scumy)
Bereft calls me impatient and he votes bereft and declines his tr on bereft
“I agree alot with Tutuu. Let's say they are pro town for now.

Lucy,
Cape,
Falcon
Porscha

As well.

Berefts declination of reads is a red flag and Seanzies bait votes not moving or accumulating anything is a red flag.”
More reads, drops syn from his townreads (townie fmpov)
Asks if a seanzie read is reliant on what i flip
Posts sensible reads on me/cape/neon/tutuu which i generally agree with
Questions why pyxxy tr’s cape for what wigly finds as nai (townie and trying to understand reads)
Remembers a votecount and recounts it to the thread, suggests it might be important (townie and trying to solve/ form a long term worldview
cape/falcon towncore, i don’t understand falcon but i never have, hard agree with cape
Rondo town/i’m scum and thinks sheep looks bad from the interactions (lacks tmi because he knows i would flip town and he would openly pre push sheep and he gave no justification for that read, rings townie because usually wolves add reasoning to those reads so they don’t forget)
Adds falcon/cape/rondo to towncore and explains general stuff happening during the game and what rondo has been doing, me/syn being a difference check (good read, i’d have done the same as someone not in this mess)
Tries to understand rondo further and townreads cape openly with reasoning in the thread, i strongly believe cape is town so him adding someone else to generally consensus town who is lhf is very pro town
Points out how syn isn’t solving (correct)

townread btw

I will admit that I have a personal problem ever trusting wilgy but I've already had that feeling I had the 1 time I caught him wolfing where its ... it's the sinking feeling that I'm gonna have to take him out back the shed

Like I could be wrong here

And I'm unsure I can put it into words rn

Day 2 I can get on my comp and sit there and force myself to articulate about specific posts or patterns but that wont happen by day 1 due to my time constraints

[Porscha]

Jesus christ I dont think I'm getting thru all 8 pages I'm behind on tonight I'll read and respond what I respond to

Hi Porscha talk to me about anything please...I literally don't care if it's game related or not

Hi did you beat fe

Not yet but I'm okay with spoilers

I cri that there's no paired endings and it mildly killed my WiM to play lol

No it's cool I havent finished it yet either

Wdym no paired endings? There are romantic endings with some characters

[Porscha]

DrWigly iso

► Show Spoiler

“Lol this game is free

Cape T
Lucy T
Syn T
Pyxxy W
Neon W
(votes neon)”
Does this on page 1 and pushes neon because she wasn’t partaking in the sexual innuendo fest, which he partakes in himself, and because she was low energy (actually trying to solve and understand neon which is towny)
Laughs off syn shade
Is generally jokey, in line with the established game tone, idk whether it’s natural or intentionally trying to fit in
A bunch of card game posts with neon
And noticed the same thing about weird syn shade, supports my reasoning
Retorts to syn that 2 people have reacted to his readslist (keeping track)
Asks why seanzie thinks im a wolf, trying to understand seanzie
Adds “Also add to that list
Seanzie N
Bereft T
Porscha T”
To his readlist
Is generally joking around and having a good time in the thread, seems natural and not stilted and not pushing an agenda
Responds to a falcon post and asks falcon why cape is scummy
Denies that an action is towny for wigly (very rand scumy)
Bereft calls me impatient and he votes bereft and declines his tr on bereft
“I agree alot with Tutuu. Let's say they are pro town for now.

Lucy,
Cape,
Falcon
Porscha

As well.

Berefts declination of reads is a red flag and Seanzies bait votes not moving or accumulating anything is a red flag.”
More reads, drops syn from his townreads (townie fmpov)
Asks if a seanzie read is reliant on what i flip
Posts sensible reads on me/cape/neon/tutuu which i generally agree with
Questions why pyxxy tr’s cape for what wigly finds as nai (townie and trying to understand reads)
Remembers a votecount and recounts it to the thread, suggests it might be important (townie and trying to solve/ form a long term worldview
cape/falcon towncore, i don’t understand falcon but i never have, hard agree with cape
Rondo town/i’m scum and thinks sheep looks bad from the interactions (lacks tmi because he knows i would flip town and he would openly pre push sheep and he gave no justification for that read, rings townie because usually wolves add reasoning to those reads so they don’t forget)
Adds falcon/cape/rondo to towncore and explains general stuff happening during the game and what rondo has been doing, me/syn being a difference check (good read, i’d have done the same as someone not in this mess)
Tries to understand rondo further and townreads cape openly with reasoning in the thread, i strongly believe cape is town so him adding someone else to generally consensus town who is lhf is very pro town
Points out how syn isn’t solving (correct)

townread btw

I will admit that I have a personal problem ever trusting wilgy but I've already had that feeling I had the 1 time I caught him wolfing where its ... it's the sinking feeling that I'm gonna have to take him out back the shed

Like I could be wrong here

And I'm unsure I can put it into words rn

Day 2 I can get on my comp and sit there and force myself to articulate about specific posts or patterns but that wont happen by day 1 due to my time constraints

But also there was no reason for wilgy to tr me that early
Cape pointed out wilgy called it a fake reads list but seemed to maintain his read in cape as if it was real
I liked the pushback from lpp on wilgy on this page where I responded it was hot
But maybe I'm already confbiasing myself I'll try to keep my mind open but I love wilgy too much that it clouds my ability to see clearly 👁👁 so I am never feeling good about trusting myself when reading him

[Seanzie]

Okay, ISOing Bereft makes me think they're just a hit. Short ISO so I recommend y'all peruse.

They seem to only be focusing on Lucy (with a little OMGUS shade at Cape), and I ThInK they're scumreading Lucy? but I am not sure and don't really get their take. Instead it's just responding. They seem to consider "worlds where Lucy is town", but this looks more like lip service than anything. ISO ends with a meta townread on Sheep, which is meh.

Bad bad Bereft Brown, baddest man in the whole damn town, madder than ole' king kong, meaner than the junkyard dog.