notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[pyxxy]

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

[pyxxy]

nice wagons tbh

like
jaiden's not getting voted today because just subbed in (unless they start openwolving)
falcon's not getting voted today because this isn't the time in-game to hang somebody of that postcount

my wagon best obv

the other 3 I'd say like lucy>syn>seanzie in order of towniness but i don't wolfread any of 'em so that's kinda a problem this might fix unless you guys CFD jaiden underwood and hammer

hello sheep i would like to inform you that this reads list leaves a POE of sheep, cape, and pyxxy

oh no
(tbh idk why you associate "not getting voted today" with me not thinking they're a wolf)

generally speaking it is very cool to chop people you think are wolf

I mean yeah

in thos specific cases it was more of a thread read tbh

but also I feel like there's sometimes a diference between the two in general idk how to describe it

idk how to explain this
and not just because i don't have a lot of wolfreads

but like while votes can go with a wolfread you can still wolread somebody who you're not voting, or vote somebody who you're not wolfreading ig

I mean idk how to explain this to myself so i doubt i'll convey it to ya'll

Better question!

Do you feel like you normally have lots of wolf reads as town? Or is the fact that you keep noting this mean that you find it unusual for yourself?

Related, do you play a lot of low power or mountainous games, or more role madness/lots of PR games?

[Porscha]

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

It's weird how you ask it to an audience instead of the person in question lol

[pyxxy]

oh no you've pulled the master method of putting things in quotes that I won't read but then i can't argue with your point or scumread you

cape not being wagoned is kind of interesting ig but i don't think it means much given people being more open to townreading cape and there'd prooobably be some bussing if he was a wolf like non-commitall but still

This is sticking with me, like, I didn't mean to come off as threatening, but you clearly thinking I'm threatening or positioning to push your wagon.

I'll make it clearer. Your lack of any scumreads is scummy, but I think you're town. You play how I do in some respects; you can be fairly hedgey and uncomfortable when the game isn't revealing itself to you.

Give me your weakest takes! Give me anything! Open with 10 million caveats about how you aren't sure, you don't know, you might be wrong. That's totally fine. But you need to commit to the possibility of being wrong, or you're just going to end up DK'd in mylo or kilo.

[Porscha]

Lucy been too damn quiet tbh

[pyxxy]

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

It's weird how you ask it to an audience instead of the person in question lol

I think I just write like that. Also ever since I learned that replies give the little red number, I try not to over-tag people.

[Porscha]

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

It's weird how you ask it to an audience instead of the person in question lol

I think I just write like that. Also ever since I learned that replies give the little red number, I try not to over-tag people.

I mean replying to someone alone gives them the notification so you might as well just be like "hey dicknugget what did you mean" instead of like "well I wonder what dicknugget meant here" lol idk whatever it isnt important

[Porscha]

Also pyxxy I read your beeg post but my brain is mostly offline cuz I'm fucking exhausted and burnt out from work so I may get back around to that tomorrow

[pyxxy]

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

It's weird how you ask it to an audience instead of the person in question lol

I think I just write like that. Also ever since I learned that replies give the little red number, I try not to over-tag people.

I mean replying to someone alone gives them the notification so you might as well just be like "hey dicknugget what did you mean" instead of like "well I wonder what dicknugget meant here" lol idk whatever it isnt important

Only replying because there's no one else in the thread, because I do agree with you

I feel like "how would that make you feel?" is perfectly in the middle of those two things

[pyxxy]

Also pyxxy I read your beeg post but my brain is mostly offline cuz I'm fucking exhausted and burnt out from work so I may get back around to that tomorrow

really that post is just trying to do 3 things

- helped me catch up on reading and process things
- prove that I did the reading homework (establishes good faith that I am engaging with the same level of knowledge as you)
- a TLDR that people can actually hold me accountable for

[robyn]

Lucy been too damn quiet tbh

sorry i've been busy and i stayed up all night last night

[robyn]

Lucy been too damn quiet tbh

sorry i've been busy and i stayed up all night last night

i think 2/3 mafia in pyxxy/syn/seanzie and i'm not gonna die so there's no real motivation. im somewhat burnt out

[Syn]

Lucy been too damn quiet tbh

sorry i've been busy and i stayed up all night last night

i think 2/3 mafia in pyxxy/syn/seanzie and i'm not gonna die so there's no real motivation. im somewhat burnt out

i will give you a crisp five-dollar bill if you chop seanzie first

[robyn]

Lucy been too damn quiet tbh

sorry i've been busy and i stayed up all night last night

i think 2/3 mafia in pyxxy/syn/seanzie and i'm not gonna die so there's no real motivation. im somewhat burnt out

i will give you a crisp five-dollar bill if you chop seanzie first

i'll do it just to have pyxxy

[Syn]

Lucy been too damn quiet tbh

sorry i've been busy and i stayed up all night last night

i think 2/3 mafia in pyxxy/syn/seanzie and i'm not gonna die so there's no real motivation. im somewhat burnt out

i will give you a crisp five-dollar bill if you chop seanzie first

i'll do it just to have pyxxy

[Cape90]

You know what, I have an idea who Jaiden is, , they from FOL. Played them once

[Cape90]

Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

Why?

I can't say I know what your wolf game looks like. I have just liked your posts recently on Syn and are the towniest you have been all game when I typically have a read that mafia's posts generally get more bleh as they go on and not better.

[Cape90]

I did read SoD3 and did ISO Rondo and Neon and don't know what you're talking about. Can see that you're not really wanting to engage though.

Carry on.

hey, remember when you made this post?

I'll vote the tutuu slot i guess

nvm voting seanzie

Fun.

well, six posts after that, there's neon's reads list

alive players

lucy - lean town
DrWilgy - lean scum
Sheep - lean scum
Neon - town
Cape90 - lean town
tutuu - lean scum
pyxxy - lean scum
Syn - lean town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME- town RondoDimBuckle - town
Seanzie - lean town
falcon45ca - lean town
Porscha - town

this was neon's last reads list. as far as I can read, they didn't change this between the list and EOD 2

the only person they have marked as certainly town is porscha

i would love to engage

i just won't engage with very obvious fake ignorance

Sorry dude, but also not sorry. I read SoD3, I cannot remember every single post you quoted though, and yeah sure, maybe I should have remembered that one, but I didn't. I'm sitting here thinking you were referring to a readslist in the first page of Neon's ISO, which I didn't see, and was much fresher in my mind. I'm pretty clearly not being "fake ignorant", I'm just irl busy and doing what I can to keep up, so maybe check yourself.

Now that I've cleared up this "readslist" thing, I looked back at the original post you made:

So yeah, I cannot find anything suggesting a soft from Neon (tbf, I was only willing to look at the first page of their ISO).

Rondo made 3 posts in a row that said
- I'll target Porscha
- No, I'll target Sean
- No, I won't target Sean, I don't want to die (fun way of stating a scumread on me).

Neon really seems to very strongly townread Porscha, at this I think is the best evidence that Neon could be doc - having someone that looks like a clear, but also Porscha usually is volume-clear so idk if I want to bet the farm on this. Was there anyone that Rondo was hard-clearing D2?

The thing I don't lie about Rondo!doc world is that it does pretty strongly point to wolf!Porscha, and if she is wolf, this is probably her best game ever (I guess I don't know all her games, but she is usually caught early IME). I really wish there were more deffiniate softs from either Rondo or Porscha, and kinda wonder if maybe Rondo actually just targeted someone completely different (or if Neon just didn't soft their target, which is not good).

idk, this is an unfortunate situation to be in. Someone tell me what to think so I can stop thinking about this.

they softed they were visiting you in their third last post

it would have been one of the first things you saw on your "i only read their first page of posts" journey

so this is a fairly neat post of speculation about doc!rondo's motivations and the big mystery of it all while conveniently ignoring that neon's results and intentions are fairly straightforward to uncover once you look at them from the pov of doc!neon. you give lip service to the idea of a porscha clear (but you focus on neon's general "strong town read" and ignore their D2 reads list that explicitly puts porscha as town as opposed to lean town) but veer heavily toward the idea of The Great Unknown in the same breath. and I don't think you can simultaneously hold these beliefs.

fmpov, if you're town, the only logical path is pushing a doc!rondo world rather than attempting to obfuscate everything—the latter path is wolfy af

Who softed that?

I did not see Neon's reads list, you'll have to quote it if you want my comment on that.

I really don't see what point you're trying to make here, and feel like I'm being roped into an argument just to argue. What does me seeing or not seeing Neon's readlist have to do with anything? Or is the whole point here just to make me feel like you're poking at things when you aren't?

tho this post is an outlier in that tbh

[Cape90]

i liked Seanzie's solving for the soft though

[Syn]

i liked Seanzie's solving for the soft though

what solving

he ignored all the posts and then begrudgingly accepted what was already established pages ago lol

[Cape90]

one part of me wants to go seanzie

the other part of me wants to go tutuu/pyxxy because outed wolf seanzie isn't someone i wanna go immediately

we only have 1 Ml to spare, the second and we just lose, and we don't have doctor anymore

tell me more.

[Cape90]

wow that post was a lot earlier, i didn't even notice lucy's "i dont wanna kill syn" arc. they are still on syn... literally with Seanzie

[Cape90]

i liked Seanzie's solving for the soft though

what solving

he ignored all the posts and then begrudgingly accepted what was already established pages ago lol

you know he literally added to points and didn't do this right? nice misrep

[Cape90]

Tbf my comments about you dancing around some subjects or asking busy-work questions werent directly tied to your meta, they were more so separate thoughts

ah okay, that makes way more sense then

don't read that wolf game, it's incredible toxic and hostile, also it'll give away all my secrets, I'm trying to play as much fm as I can so I get a scumrand for people to reference here on TS!!!

you care about your "secrets"? If you are town, why?

[Syn]

wow that post was a lot earlier, i didn't even notice lucy's "i dont wanna kill syn" arc. they are still on syn... literally with Seanzie

she changed her mind and hates me again

[Syn]

i liked Seanzie's solving for the soft though

what solving

he ignored all the posts and then begrudgingly accepted what was already established pages ago lol

you know he literally added to points and didn't do this right? nice misrep

thank you, i try

[Cape90]

oh boring jaiden underwood has made posts but they're not AI

yeah im not very quick to get going on a site im new on with a playerbase which plays different than what I'm used to
also the font is smaller. that changes everything
my crystal ball doesn't like cape90 very much but im considering that being because ive met them before


i do however find it very funny that people call me my full name. i was gonna be called NEO降順VIRTUASOFTフラックス17, which i have no idea what means. im pretty sure i just discovered that names didnt have to be just english characters and numbers. itd be fun to see everyone call me that in its entirety
shockingly the account never got activated. wonder why

smh im literally town this game. the mafia are in syn/pyxxy/falcon/seanzie/lucy... if you aren't mafia of course

I don't have a good POE to be honest

[Cape90]

Rondo responding to my powerwolf comment:
I had one very bad experience in WebDip mafia, in my only scum game, where a teammate (who I like as a person) committed to being obnoxious and rude in order to stink up the thread and it worked for days. You seemed to be taking a similar approach of commanding the thread, or at least taking up a lot of space, with annoying or (generously) prodding comments towards people that you suspected.

???? what does this have to do with the quote you brought up at this point in your second spoiler?

[Cape90]

I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.

I have found me not being wagoned odd as well just because yall like misvoting me and that hasn't even had a hint of happening this game. On one hand it's kind of refreshing. On the other I feel like my reads have been really bad this game lmao.

In GOC, there was town legit pushing for my demise and then mafia hopped on. I had good reads that game though (at least in terms of pushes towards EOD). This game? Not so much.

Day 2 was fine for me minus the early hammer.

[Cape90]

tinfoil on Seanzie: he would be more deflated over his DrWigly read being wrong today if he was town

[Cape90]

In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read

when they are towny, they are town

when they are wolfy they are wolf

Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135

Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol

[Cape90]

So yeah, I cannot find anything suggesting a soft from Neon (tbf, I was only willing to look at the first page of their ISO).

Rondo made 3 posts in a row that said
- I'll target Porscha
- No, I'll target Sean
- No, I won't target Sean, I don't want to die (fun way of stating a scumread on me).

Neon really seems to very strongly townread Porscha, at this I think is the best evidence that Neon could be doc - having someone that looks like a clear, but also Porscha usually is volume-clear so idk if I want to bet the farm on this. Was there anyone that Rondo was hard-clearing D2?

The thing I don't lie about Rondo!doc world is that it does pretty strongly point to wolf!Porscha, and if she is wolf, this is probably her best game ever (I guess I don't know all her games, but she is usually caught early IME). I really wish there were more deffiniate softs from either Rondo or Porscha, and kinda wonder if maybe Rondo actually just targeted someone completely different (or if Neon just didn't soft their target, which is not good).

idk, this is an unfortunate situation to be in. Someone tell me what to think so I can stop thinking about this.

nobody else was making this point

[robyn]

feels weird im voting w seanzie ngl

[Syn]

So yeah, I cannot find anything suggesting a soft from Neon (tbf, I was only willing to look at the first page of their ISO).

Rondo made 3 posts in a row that said
- I'll target Porscha
- No, I'll target Sean
- No, I won't target Sean, I don't want to die (fun way of stating a scumread on me).

Neon really seems to very strongly townread Porscha, at this I think is the best evidence that Neon could be doc - having someone that looks like a clear, but also Porscha usually is volume-clear so idk if I want to bet the farm on this. Was there anyone that Rondo was hard-clearing D2?

The thing I don't lie about Rondo!doc world is that it does pretty strongly point to wolf!Porscha, and if she is wolf, this is probably her best game ever (I guess I don't know all her games, but she is usually caught early IME). I really wish there were more deffiniate softs from either Rondo or Porscha, and kinda wonder if maybe Rondo actually just targeted someone completely different (or if Neon just didn't soft their target, which is not good).

idk, this is an unfortunate situation to be in. Someone tell me what to think so I can stop thinking about this.

nobody else was making this point

it was literally the first point made when we started reading ISOs to figure it out

neon doesn't make sense for a maf kill, rondo was town according to everyone and wasn't in any poe's besides like mine

Neon doc'd sean cuz rondo said that's what he would do if he was doctor
(I just assume she took his advice)
Instead of doc'ing me her lock town read
Works out tho lol

[Syn]

in fact, you were there when that was happening and tried pushing us toward sussing porscha instead of seanzie

[Syn]

welcome to my POE, cape

[Porscha]

feels weird im voting w seanzie ngl

It should. Stop being a traitor

[pyxxy]

Tbf my comments about you dancing around some subjects or asking busy-work questions werent directly tied to your meta, they were more so separate thoughts

ah okay, that makes way more sense then

don't read that wolf game, it's incredible toxic and hostile, also it'll give away all my secrets, I'm trying to play as much fm as I can so I get a scumrand for people to reference here on TS!!!

you care about your "secrets"? If you are town, why?

I was trying to be funny :/

[pyxxy]

Rondo responding to my powerwolf comment:
I had one very bad experience in WebDip mafia, in my only scum game, where a teammate (who I like as a person) committed to being obnoxious and rude in order to stink up the thread and it worked for days. You seemed to be taking a similar approach of commanding the thread, or at least taking up a lot of space, with annoying or (generously) prodding comments towards people that you suspected.

???? what does this have to do with the quote you brought up at this point in your second spoiler?

This was responding to dead Rondo who can't respond. We can ignore it. It helped me process and read.

[pyxxy]

I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.

I have found me not being wagoned odd as well just because yall like misvoting me and that hasn't even had a hint of happening this game. On one hand it's kind of refreshing. On the other I feel like my reads have been really bad this game lmao.

In GOC, there was town legit pushing for my demise and then mafia hopped on. I had good reads that game though (at least in terms of pushes towards EOD). This game? Not so much.

Day 2 was fine for me minus the early hammer.

Nice, glad you're observing the same thing as me.

Are there any players in your POE that you think would purposely leave you alive e.g. because they're not afraid of your town game?

[pyxxy]

In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read

when they are towny, they are town

when they are wolfy they are wolf

Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135

Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol

skimmed sheep's iso and your iso from that game

It seems like sheep had to step up way out of their scum comfort zone in that game because of a newbie teammate outing on D1? Did I skim that correctly?

If so, does that change how you view sheep in this game at all?

[pyxxy]

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[pyxxy]

ohhhhhhhhh a minor breakthrough for myself

syn/seanzie not w/w

[pyxxy]

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

Thank you for the answer.

[pyxxy]

@Seanzie How do you feel about being wrong about Neon's flip?

I went through your iso as part of reading every iso from the POE but I feel like I didn't see much of anything about it besides (healthy!) thinking about if Neon was doc or not.

[pyxxy]

Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

[pyxxy]

the solve being seanzie/sheep/tutuu-Jaiden would be kinda wild ngl

[pyxxy]

welcome to my POE, cape

sorry if this is in your iso recently but I want a fresh update when you next check the thread

what's your POE rn? who within it would you be willing to vote for?

[pyxxy]

For now I'm going with [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine, sorry bud, I promise I did a lot of re-reading to come to this conclusion and it's not something I take lightly.

I look forward to getting some Z's and coming back to some replies

[robyn]

hmm