Muppet Babies - Game Over - Town Wins

[Kate]

I’m pretty sure I broke the 5/5 tie though iirc.

Nah fam. He died by 1 vote and that was my self pres

At the end yeah, there was some moving around after I voted, iirc both you and sig were on Wilgy for a minute or two, for instance, so it didn’t stay that way. But when I voted, it was 5/5.

Can confirm. I was watching specifically to see if she was gonna make it back in time to vote. Then, after she did, I thought to myself. Hmmm she broke the tie, nice.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play

[Dennis]

I mean, you've been given your answer and just come back with "wtf" & "???" type responses...it's a fact Dennis didn't see sig's flip as being a red flip, unless Dennis is lying...but that seems a strange lie for Maf to make.





So, since we both can't be Maf, it's guaranteed that some town did not see sig's flip as Waldorf as a guaranteed red. You're trying to make mountains of molehills

Why is it not mafia lol

Y'all have the worst reasons for clearing Dennis

Talk to me about your Dennis read plz

I've like almost exclusively talked about it.

What would you like to know lol

Just gimme a quick rundown....pretend your Dennis read is a blockbuster movie, gimme a preview to get my a$$ munchin' popcorn

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

[falcon45ca]

Why are you trying to work w/ your SRs?

[falcon45ca]

Let me rephrase...what do you hope to achieve by working w/ your SRs?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Why is it not mafia lol

Y'all have the worst reasons for clearing Dennis

Talk to me about your Dennis read plz

I've like almost exclusively talked about it.

What would you like to know lol

Just gimme a quick rundown....pretend your Dennis read is a blockbuster movie, gimme a preview to get my a$$ munchin' popcorn

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

[S~V~S]

She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play

I’m not taking credit. Kate has the credit imo. I was making a point to Dennis when I said that.

[Dennis]

Let me rephrase...what do you hope to achieve by working w/ your SRs?

Finding them in the event they are town

[Dennis]

Talk to me about your Dennis read plz

I've like almost exclusively talked about it.

What would you like to know lol

Just gimme a quick rundown....pretend your Dennis read is a blockbuster movie, gimme a preview to get my a$$ munchin' popcorn

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore

[fingersplints]

I don’t know why the character images are suddenly broken. We’ll try and fix them when we can, but I’m not feeling too great today.

The muppet babies would tell you to use your imagination.

[falcon45ca]

I've like almost exclusively talked about it.

What would you like to know lol

Just gimme a quick rundown....pretend your Dennis read is a blockbuster movie, gimme a preview to get my a$$ munchin' popcorn

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore

They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?






She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?





What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?

[Kate]

She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play

Maybe ultimately, but at the time she did, she was making the kill vote.

[Kate]

Just gimme a quick rundown....pretend your Dennis read is a blockbuster movie, gimme a preview to get my a$$ munchin' popcorn

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore

They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?






She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?





What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?

This is not specifically at you falcon but in general, are we allowed to talk about scooby doo yet?

[falcon45ca]

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore

They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?






She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?





What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?

This is not specifically at you falcon but in general, are we allowed to talk about scooby doo yet?

I believe so, that game is now over

[Spacedaisy]

I’m pretty sure I broke the 5/5 tie though iirc.

Nah fam. He died by 1 vote and that was my self pres

She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play

She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play

Maybe ultimately, but at the time she did, she was making the kill vote.

I mean, really, anyone who was here and didn’t move their vote can say the same. There was a lot of activity at the last minute. I feel better about most the voters on sig. Of all the voters at the end, your kill vote is the one I give the least cred for, Neon, because it was self pres. You were trying to move the vote away from the two of you before that.

Mac, did you really doubt your vote there? Because it had me truly stressed last minute trying to decide if I was off base. Also I don’t understand your suspicion of Wilgy. I have a town lean on Wilgy.

I also have a town lean on falcon atm. It’s probably that I found their thoughts most like my own, so they felt civ to me. Same with Wilgy.

I feel like there was something between Neon and Dennis that felt off to me, but I can’t remember what. I’ll try to go back to find that after I get done working. I may or may not be back in today, Monday is the day I try to stuff in as much work as I can because it’s the last day of the pay period. I make no promises about my involvement in Tuesday afternoon.

[Spacedaisy]

EBWOP: I make no promises about my involvement *until* Tuesday afternoon.

[DrWilgy]

LUCHTIME ISO THYME!

Mac Re Sig:

Spoiler: show

I know at least 1 wolf so far.

Is it you?

no

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

Ending the fluff phase early is towny.

First interaction isn't very inspired. Sig does look somewhat TOO eager to say 'it's probably Mac' but idk how to interpret it alignment wise for Mac.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

What the hell are you talking about

What are you talking about?

Posts don't need to be anything at all to be read. Nervousness and overt blendiness can be read whether or not something is fluff or on topic. I wish never to read the word fluff again in my life btw.

Me dropping that I have a scumread and not saying who is something I do regularly as either alignment. By all means sus me but keep your suspicions rational sir or I will be forced to spank your bottom.

Mac and Sig on theoretical fluff analysis. While minor, Sig's 'what are you talking about?' almost comes across as not aligned.

I almost certainly do.

I don’t see how you can see it as anything other than seed planting.

Other things it could be include; a real thought, a reaction test, a complete joke, blindness and dizziness, flatulence, nausea and death.

Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

In what universe am I pocketing Neon with our interactions and not the other way around?

This is pretty decent look for Mac. I don't think Sig outright calls out his teammate for pocketing this early as a form of distancing. It's too hard of a push.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Votes sig without providing immediate data

Also (and the real reason why I came in here)

I’m betting the entire mafia team (of two lol) isn’t someone actively posting

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.

It's sub-optimal for town to lynch slankers D1

Not explicitly. As long as the day is played out if consensus suggests it with a valid reason it's fine.

Provides slight validation on Sig's desire to yeet lowposters, minor bad look

Also (and the real reason why I came in here)

I’m betting the entire mafia team (of two lol) isn’t someone actively posting

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.

It's sub-optimal for town to lynch slankers D1

Not explicitly. As long as the day is played out if consensus suggests it with a valid reason it's fine.

Ah good you’re back.

Please change your vote post haste or I’ll be forced to call you RUDE and mean

Actually no I'm going to get more people to vote you sorry.

Threatens Sig with a wagon.

You know my Mac vote did start off as a joke, but the longer he stays on me for no good reason the less I’m thinking it’s a joke vote and the more I’m thinking it’s a serious one.


Having said that I’m much to lazy to actually try to get him voted off this phase

Your flaccid attempts to persuade me to unvote me by threatening to maybe scumread me have given me a great deal of humour thank you.

Invalidates Sig's OMGUS. Good look.

I’m not fully buying it

What the hell am I meant to do with this? You sound frozen as hell lol.

what do you mean?

You are very stilted and don't seem to know what to say.

Another good look for Mac.

I won't be ending this day on sig.

I doubt I'll be ending it on Neon now either after that catch up.

Claims they won't be voting Sig. Minor bad look, I'd say overall still not aligned.

That progression between sig and wilgy is in bad faith on Wilgy's part too.

I think Wilgy is my top scumread here tbh.

Mac pivots onto me claiming that my push is bad faith. Doesn't really explain more than this. Continuing a bad look. The only counter to this is at least Mac did explain previously that he had a sus on me. The consistency at least makes this not AS bad.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

Advises that Sig's gut read progression is towny. Bad look.

That progression between sig and wilgy is in bad faith on Wilgy's part too.

I think Wilgy is my top scumread here tbh.

I agree from a progression stand point. He was a gut town read, but his lack of interaction with me was iffy

I fail to understand how you can be confbiased Kate is mafia and not Wilgy given how they've treated you practically the same while Kate has been a more productive player generally. Why are you townreading Wilgy at all?

While advising that Sig is not W because of threadstate, Mac still doesn't understand Sig's read on me. Minor good look.

My issue with just voting out sig here is that I feel that he's exhibited a townie sense of entitlement and also I see no evidence of a partner trying to save him. Because nobody is really actively pushing Neon. Sig's only viable partner would be SixStrings I think. Even Dennis would be a bit more assertive in pushing Neon to save him especially given how Neon has interacted with him.

The inverse read is easier to make because Kate and Wilgy both profile as actively ignorant of sig being townie while pushing him which means either can be with Neon.

Albeit Neon is also being townie.

Which if both are town kind of points at slank/slank.

I definitely don't feel like sig is mafia. He is a total island. He's Tasmania as fuck right now.

Then Mac goes ahead and hard defends sig. This is pretty bad I think.

Mac's early pushes on Sig look good, but everything following Mac's catch up look bad. Mac's all over the place with Sig, Neon and I. I don't think there was anything conclusive that would indicate not aligned, but there WAS behavior that does indicate aligned. The only thing that I ask, is why Mac wouldn't have, as a wolf, just withheld 'I townread Neon now' and moved there instead of pushing for me? Perhaps he legitimately thought as a W he could pivot onto me?

I'd say Mac is solidly in the PoE, Mac has a meta of wolf theater, but I don't think they'd be my go to yeet for strictly Sig interactions at this point. W Mac likely would've just gone with the Neon momentum. We'll see how this is by the time I make it through the remaining and Sig's ISO.

[DrWilgy]

Mata re Sig ISO:

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

Somewhat discredits the Sig wagon by poking at one of it's pushers, but the thoughts feel presented clearly and concisely. What I don't like is that there was some preemptive wiggle room provided under 'if sig flips wolf' then going from there.

I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Meh, this is kinda without explanation, so it just feels like words typed to type.

Nottalotta on Mata. Welcome to the PoE.

[DrWilgy]

Aw man. Neon's next. Neon has like 3 pages that references Sig 60+ times on each.

[DrWilgy]

So anyways, I moved on to SixStrings and all they do is vote Neon without explanation and there's no real mention of Sig.

Poe.

[Dennis]

Just gimme a quick rundown....pretend your Dennis read is a blockbuster movie, gimme a preview to get my a$$ munchin' popcorn

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore

They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?






She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?





What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?

I don't exactly know what she means by flat, but I believe she means I have been not my silly goofy self. Which I don't really understand, but I also don't really know how to disprove. Like how does one shoe they have emotion

Fmpov, I didn't actually say a lot about sig because a lot of my suspicion was coming from being partners with him in Scooby Doo, which was still going on and he looked like a carbon copy. So this is understandable to me

I have one post in my head, I'll find it and grab it, but I replied to Neon in 2 different messages, one was like "I feel like you're tunneling me" and one was me saying womething about sig trying to attract us to low posters. And Neon only replied to the first one saying "Your bad. This does nothing" completely refusing to acknowledge the second. It's like she is ignoring me trying to work with her and just calling me bad at silly things. One thing I've noticed with Neon is that it seems like I always have to AtE to get her to try and find me as town and I just don't want to do that. I don't want to have to feel like an emotional manipulator or whatever just so Neon will consider a world where I'm town. So if she wants to tunnel me it's absolutely whatever to me at this point because I'm not putting in any more effort than she is willing to

[Dennis]

I think I'm still looking at

Wilgy/falcon/mac/neon/strings/svs as poe

So your town is you, Kate, Mata and Daisy?

Yeah I guess but my poe is who I see myself potentially voting today, if something is off about them

I can’t pretend I’m caught up, I’m reading in snippets. But your town (except Kate) is pretty much my POE so far. So I guess I have to read more.

I've been thinking that, with the way I've felt threadstate there's a very very low chance that a super low poster who didn't strike me as funky is bad. And Kate is obviously town with sigs flip

I think it's plausible there's a maf in the low posters

Sig tried to draw attention there and it can mean he was trying to throw us off the scent.

Do you think sig tried pulling us into the low posters, and then when he flipped bad we would look away from there, where his teammate was?

I can follow that, but he brought that up before he got much of any suspicion iirc, so I think he was trying to lead town into townies

Here's the post Neon ignored

[Dennis]

So how's your day going Wilgy

[DrWilgy]

Daisy ISO re Sig:

Spoiler: show

I’ll dig it up this weekend. It involves dried cranberries and orange liqueur to rehydrate the berries. OMFG it’s awesome. She also made it with dried cherries and Cherry Kijafa.

Orange and cranberry are one of my favorite flavor combinations.

And what, pray tell, did you have for dessert??

ice cream actually. Mint chocolate Viennetta.

Spacedaisy didn't vote either cake OR pie

Alas, I made the dreadful mistake of eating dinner and spending time with my husband before finishing my catch up.

Nevermind spacedaisy is bad for maintaining real life relationships and not putting our poll about cake and pie first

Sound logic. [VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

Sherry, I’m sorry to hear your news. My condolences to you and your family.
Proud slanker here. I’m usually pretty quiet during the first two days, but by day 3, I never seem to stop talking.
I’ve played maybe 7 games in the last 6 years that are not classic games, and it still blows my mind the way people throw votes out so early on day 1. I understand that sometimes the votes are just a way to engage a player and get them to talk, but sometimes it’s not. So I’m going to ask a question (hypothetical situation, actually) and I would really like to hear ppl’s thoughts about it. I understand though, if you would prefer not to discuss this, as it might interfere with your personal strategy. Ok, here goes:

The hosts post that there has been a lice outbreak in the nursery/playroom, and everyone has to go home for the day so the room can be decontaminated. Everyone has 1 hour to either vote or abstain. What would you do?

I’d really like to hear what people would do, but again, I understand if you prefer to keep your thought private.

I always struggle at the beginning of games and recently find it really difficult to stay engaged in games. It's why I don't play often anymore, so I feel you on the slanker thing. Also, this was the most creative GTH read request I've ever seen and I love it, lol.

I'm leaning sig or Neon atm.

You okay? Did you get lost during catch up!

Honestly, not all the great. While the situation with the original anxiety is mostly resolved and life isn't bad, there is a general malaise that hangs on at the moment. My hormones are probably being little bitches and fucking with me, honestly. Also, the Friday-Monday time frame tends to be when I am doing the most work. I've been pretty buried in work files the last couple days. So it's a little of this, little of that. But it's not a great excuse, because it's unfair to the other players and hosts. Sorry.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

This reads like she knows sigs flip already

Mind meld on this one.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

This reads like she knows sigs flip already

Hmm... This is a good observation.

Mind meld.

Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Mind meld.

Ok so...

MacDougall is my only solid town read atm. That thing he pulled where he put out fake reads to see the reactions is a frequent town maneuver that I've noticed him doing.

I didn't think anything of the supposed slip that Kate was talking about. However, I do think what Neon said is sus. This combined with the fact that sig seemed like he was poking around trying to see what would stick. My only fear here is that sig has frequently got yeeted day 1 over the years for being weird. But I'm going to go with my gut here because he's the one I feel the most scum lean on. Instead of scum hunting, it felt like he spent the day throwing spaghetti at the wall and discrediting Kate for what looked to me like a normal read progression.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

This is solid. I don't tink it's aligned in the slightest.

Kinda rich coming from someone who’s made 1 on topic post.

I mean, I did just read most of the relevant posts in a sitting, it can give a little perspective. But I'm just doing the best I can with Day 1, there is never much to go on, but you feel like the best bet to me, all things considered. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

And this isn't theatre

Daisy and Sig are not aligned 98% of the time.

[DrWilgy]

So how's your day going Wilgy

I should be writing code for work, but want to get PoEs done before the NK. I think the valid targets are Kate, Me and Daisy so far. I'd hate to get shot before leaving the thread something.

[Dennis]

So how's your day going Wilgy

I should be writing code for work, but want to get PoEs done before the NK. I think the valid targets are Kate, Me and Daisy so far. I'd hate to get shot before leaving the thread something.

Cool cool cool

My day has been uneventful

I shall leave you to your PoEing in that case

[Kate]

Mata re Sig ISO:

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

Somewhat discredits the Sig wagon by poking at one of it's pushers, but the thoughts feel presented clearly and concisely. What I don't like is that there was some preemptive wiggle room provided under 'if sig flips wolf' then going from there.

I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Meh, this is kinda without explanation, so it just feels like words typed to type.

Nottalotta on Mata. Welcome to the PoE.

The thing is though, of all the people in the thread, she wouldn't choose me to make a fake wolf call out of. I think when she said she thought I was bad, it was genuine.

[DrWilgy]

S~V~S re Sig

Hey y'all,

I wanted to let you know I had a death in my family. It was my uncle, and we weren't close, but he was my Dads younger brother and he's pretty broken up, so I'm going to go hang with him today, and probably tomorrow, and will be AFK. I should be back to catch up in the evening so I can make an informed vote.

Thanks for patience.

Love you

Love you too and gonna trust your judgment. You don’t do aggro when you have teammates, in general, especially on day one.

Don’t love a sig vote as he gets miselimmed alot, or used to, but I don’t know what the other case is. Sorry dog if I’m wrong.

Early defense of Sig when the pressure was lighter

@sig got any reads that don't involve me?

Yes sir

Wilgy, Falcon, you, are solid town. The first two for tone and how their banter came across. Now you might say sig didjt you just say fluff is NAI? Well yes I did but whatever.

Neon and SVS are light town reads. SVS responded well to the push and Neon is posting as she normally does.

Kate is my leading mafia read right now. I think she very opportunistically jumped on my wagon and she always pokes/votes me when I’m mafia.


I’d also bet 100% the other mafia member is a low poster but not in the screenshot she sent over.


You’re welcome I solved the game.

Yeet.

When she’s mafia is obviously what I mean. I blame phone postinh

@S~V~S

Thanks sig. I could see why she thought that. I would have thought that too.

I could also see your explanation, I also get flak for semantics. But the fact that your go to has been, “She’s bad”, hasn’t helped you.

Your reaction to her suspicion, whether valid or not, looks off to me.

My only experience with bad Neon is Holes, and I don’t think she looks anything like that here. Zero.

Pivots into pushing Sig.

With what few posts S~V~S gave on the Sig cerfunkle, I don't think it's alignment indicative. I think SVS even busy would've gone on Neon given the opportunity.

[DrWilgy]

Ho boi... Time for Neon ISO.

This shall be the fitting theme for this one.

Spoiler: show

[Kate]

I mean I've done this

Dennis isn't being Dennis

Dennis feels flat

Dennis treatment of sig felt w/w

Dennis is TMIing me town

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore

They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?






She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?





What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?

I don't exactly know what she means by flat, but I believe she means I have been not my silly goofy self. Which I don't really understand, but I also don't really know how to disprove. Like how does one shoe they have emotion

Fmpov, I didn't actually say a lot about sig because a lot of my suspicion was coming from being partners with him in Scooby Doo, which was still going on and he looked like a carbon copy. So this is understandable to me

I have one post in my head, I'll find it and grab it, but I replied to Neon in 2 different messages, one was like "I feel like you're tunneling me" and one was me saying womething about sig trying to attract us to low posters. And Neon only replied to the first one saying "Your bad. This does nothing" completely refusing to acknowledge the second. It's like she is ignoring me trying to work with her and just calling me bad at silly things. One thing I've noticed with Neon is that it seems like I always have to AtE to get her to try and find me as town and I just don't want to do that. I don't want to have to feel like an emotional manipulator or whatever just so Neon will consider a world where I'm town. So if she wants to tunnel me it's absolutely whatever to me at this point because I'm not putting in any more effort than she is willing to

This is not baddie Dennis. This is frustrated and agitated town Dennis.

[Kate]

My current POE:

falcon
Mac
Neon
Daisy

[Kate]

Ho boi... Time for Neon ISO.

This shall be the fitting theme for this one.

Spoiler: show

[DrWilgy]

Neon ISO

Spoiler: show

I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”

True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.

Jokey on the first interaction

I know at least 1 wolf so far.

Is it you?

no

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

That sounds pretty normal to me tbh

Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

I've never fluffed as mafia

More yokes

I almost certainly do.

I don’t see how you can see it as anything other than seed planting.

Other things it could be include; a real thought, a reaction test, a complete joke, blindness and dizziness, flatulence, nausea and death.

Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.

Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

@Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac

Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

Also (and the real reason why I came in here)

I’m betting the entire mafia team (of two lol) isn’t someone actively posting

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.

There's a 97.8% chance there's at most 1 wolf there.

There’s only 2 so like that’s half?

Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0

Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is

That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel

Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...

A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check

We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town

So which one of these is your partner?

Obviously me

This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.

Maybe you should

you shouldn't

Sus

There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.

Still no reason to not vote Sig.

Slip aside, his insisting that Falcon and I were town so early without due cause felt TMI. I don't have a reason to tr like I do the others.

It’s a tone:gut read

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?

Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.

Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving

This is also a decent look for Neon.

My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.

Technically I said 50% chance lol

This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.

Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.

You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies

This logic does not compute.

Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.

Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.

Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty

This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.

Undoes the dif check.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?

Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.

[S~V~S]

If I left right now for the rest of the day should everyone stop voting me and only vote between Daisy, Kate, Six and Dennis? Since they’re the only active players

No. You were here to answer the accusations. Did you actually think that's what I meant? Come on Sig. Wow.

You’re saying not to vote for someone since they’re not here?


Half the players aren’t in thread right now and most of the time you have people not around for end of day. That’s not logically to say we can’t vote for someone since they aren’t here.

This post is why I’d not be in favor of a SixStrings yeet. Sig is absolutely desperate to yeet low posters.

This is some hyperbole here, lol.

[Kate]

If I left right now for the rest of the day should everyone stop voting me and only vote between Daisy, Kate, Six and Dennis? Since they’re the only active players

No. You were here to answer the accusations. Did you actually think that's what I meant? Come on Sig. Wow.

You’re saying not to vote for someone since they’re not here?


Half the players aren’t in thread right now and most of the time you have people not around for end of day. That’s not logically to say we can’t vote for someone since they aren’t here.

This post is why I’d not be in favor of a SixStrings yeet. Sig is absolutely desperate to yeet low posters.

This is some hyperbole here, lol.

This was a BAD post by Sig.

[Kate]

Neon ISO

Spoiler: show

I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”

True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.

Jokey on the first interaction

Is it you?

no

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

That sounds pretty normal to me tbh

Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

I've never fluffed as mafia

More yokes

Other things it could be include; a real thought, a reaction test, a complete joke, blindness and dizziness, flatulence, nausea and death.

Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.

Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

@Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac

Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.

There's a 97.8% chance there's at most 1 wolf there.

There’s only 2 so like that’s half?

Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0

Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is

That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel

Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...

A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check

We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town

So which one of these is your partner?

Obviously me

This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.

Maybe you should

you shouldn't

Sus

There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.

Still no reason to not vote Sig.

Slip aside, his insisting that Falcon and I were town so early without due cause felt TMI. I don't have a reason to tr like I do the others.

It’s a tone:gut read

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?

Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.

Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving

This is also a decent look for Neon.

My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.

Technically I said 50% chance lol

This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.

Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.

You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies

This logic does not compute.

Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.

Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.

Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty

This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.

Undoes the dif check.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?

Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.

What does this mean?

Based just on the cross of our POEs, I'd be looking squarely at Mac.

[DrWilgy]

Neon ISO

Spoiler: show

I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”

True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.

Jokey on the first interaction

no

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

That sounds pretty normal to me tbh

Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

I've never fluffed as mafia

More yokes

Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.

Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

@Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac

Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

There's a 97.8% chance there's at most 1 wolf there.

There’s only 2 so like that’s half?

Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0

Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is

That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel

Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...

A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check

We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town

So which one of these is your partner?

Obviously me

This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.

Maybe you should

you shouldn't

Sus

There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.

It’s a tone:gut read

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?

Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.

Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving

This is also a decent look for Neon.

My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.

Technically I said 50% chance lol

This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.

Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.

You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies

This logic does not compute.

Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.

Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.

Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty

This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.

Undoes the dif check.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?

Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.

What does this mean?

Based just on the cross of our POEs, I'd be looking squarely at Mac.

Neon advised there was a Kate Sig Dif check and then decided nah, it's tvt. Which is just weird thing to do as town. Town I don't think suggests a dif check unless they are sold on it entirely, so to takesy baxy is what I think makes this weird.

[DrWilgy]

Just skimming and I did notice that Sig puts abit of energy in making Falcon out to be town. Perhaps worth considering.

Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town

Also I'm in agreement, the way Sig went after low posters I do think warrants giving Mata and Six some more time.

I think Solving Neon/Mac may just crack the game open tbh.

Another observation:

My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

This came shortly AFTER saying Me, Mac, Neon, Falcon were the TRs. I think it's likely Sig shifted into antispew and this is kinda a bad look for Neon now that I have context.


AND that's it.

Yeet Neon/Mac, don't really care which one first. Go from there. If it's not in Neon/Mac/Six/Mata gl.

[Kate]

Neon ISO

Spoiler: show

I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”

True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.

Jokey on the first interaction

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

That sounds pretty normal to me tbh

Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

I've never fluffed as mafia

More yokes

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.

Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

@Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac

Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

There’s only 2 so like that’s half?

Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0

Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is

That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel

Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...

A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check

We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

So which one of these is your partner?

Obviously me

This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.

Maybe you should

you shouldn't

Sus

There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?

Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.

Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving

This is also a decent look for Neon.

My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.

Technically I said 50% chance lol

This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.

Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.

You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies

This logic does not compute.

Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.

Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.

Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty

This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.

Undoes the dif check.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?

Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.

What does this mean?

Based just on the cross of our POEs, I'd be looking squarely at Mac.

Neon advised there was a Kate Sig Dif check and then decided nah, it's tvt. Which is just weird thing to do as town. Town I don't think suggests a dif check unless they are sold on it entirely, so to takesy baxy is what I think makes this weird.

In her opinion or an actual check?

Totes agree on the takesy baby though

[Kate]

***baxy!

[MacDougall]

LUCHTIME ISO THYME!

Mac Re Sig:

Spoiler: show

Is it you?

no

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

Ending the fluff phase early is towny.

First interaction isn't very inspired. Sig does look somewhat TOO eager to say 'it's probably Mac' but idk how to interpret it alignment wise for Mac.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

What the hell are you talking about

What are you talking about?

Posts don't need to be anything at all to be read. Nervousness and overt blendiness can be read whether or not something is fluff or on topic. I wish never to read the word fluff again in my life btw.

Me dropping that I have a scumread and not saying who is something I do regularly as either alignment. By all means sus me but keep your suspicions rational sir or I will be forced to spank your bottom.

Mac and Sig on theoretical fluff analysis. While minor, Sig's 'what are you talking about?' almost comes across as not aligned.

Other things it could be include; a real thought, a reaction test, a complete joke, blindness and dizziness, flatulence, nausea and death.

Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

In what universe am I pocketing Neon with our interactions and not the other way around?

This is pretty decent look for Mac. I don't think Sig outright calls out his teammate for pocketing this early as a form of distancing. It's too hard of a push.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Votes sig without providing immediate data

Also (and the real reason why I came in here)

I’m betting the entire mafia team (of two lol) isn’t someone actively posting

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.

It's sub-optimal for town to lynch slankers D1

Not explicitly. As long as the day is played out if consensus suggests it with a valid reason it's fine.

Provides slight validation on Sig's desire to yeet lowposters, minor bad look

Also (and the real reason why I came in here)

I’m betting the entire mafia team (of two lol) isn’t someone actively posting

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.

It's sub-optimal for town to lynch slankers D1

Not explicitly. As long as the day is played out if consensus suggests it with a valid reason it's fine.

Ah good you’re back.

Please change your vote post haste or I’ll be forced to call you RUDE and mean

Actually no I'm going to get more people to vote you sorry.

Threatens Sig with a wagon.

You know my Mac vote did start off as a joke, but the longer he stays on me for no good reason the less I’m thinking it’s a joke vote and the more I’m thinking it’s a serious one.


Having said that I’m much to lazy to actually try to get him voted off this phase

Your flaccid attempts to persuade me to unvote me by threatening to maybe scumread me have given me a great deal of humour thank you.

Invalidates Sig's OMGUS. Good look.

I’m not fully buying it

What the hell am I meant to do with this? You sound frozen as hell lol.

what do you mean?

You are very stilted and don't seem to know what to say.

Another good look for Mac.

I won't be ending this day on sig.

I doubt I'll be ending it on Neon now either after that catch up.

Claims they won't be voting Sig. Minor bad look, I'd say overall still not aligned.

That progression between sig and wilgy is in bad faith on Wilgy's part too.

I think Wilgy is my top scumread here tbh.

Mac pivots onto me claiming that my push is bad faith. Doesn't really explain more than this. Continuing a bad look. The only counter to this is at least Mac did explain previously that he had a sus on me. The consistency at least makes this not AS bad.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

Advises that Sig's gut read progression is towny. Bad look.

That progression between sig and wilgy is in bad faith on Wilgy's part too.

I think Wilgy is my top scumread here tbh.

I agree from a progression stand point. He was a gut town read, but his lack of interaction with me was iffy

I fail to understand how you can be confbiased Kate is mafia and not Wilgy given how they've treated you practically the same while Kate has been a more productive player generally. Why are you townreading Wilgy at all?

While advising that Sig is not W because of threadstate, Mac still doesn't understand Sig's read on me. Minor good look.

My issue with just voting out sig here is that I feel that he's exhibited a townie sense of entitlement and also I see no evidence of a partner trying to save him. Because nobody is really actively pushing Neon. Sig's only viable partner would be SixStrings I think. Even Dennis would be a bit more assertive in pushing Neon to save him especially given how Neon has interacted with him.

The inverse read is easier to make because Kate and Wilgy both profile as actively ignorant of sig being townie while pushing him which means either can be with Neon.

Albeit Neon is also being townie.

Which if both are town kind of points at slank/slank.

I definitely don't feel like sig is mafia. He is a total island. He's Tasmania as fuck right now.

Then Mac goes ahead and hard defends sig. This is pretty bad I think.

Mac's early pushes on Sig look good, but everything following Mac's catch up look bad. Mac's all over the place with Sig, Neon and I. I don't think there was anything conclusive that would indicate not aligned, but there WAS behavior that does indicate aligned. The only thing that I ask, is why Mac wouldn't have, as a wolf, just withheld 'I townread Neon now' and moved there instead of pushing for me? Perhaps he legitimately thought as a W he could pivot onto me?

I'd say Mac is solidly in the PoE, Mac has a meta of wolf theater, but I don't think they'd be my go to yeet for strictly Sig interactions at this point. W Mac likely would've just gone with the Neon momentum. We'll see how this is by the time I make it through the remaining and Sig's ISO.

Okay you're mafia. Good luck in the forthcoming conflict.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So your town is you, Kate, Mata and Daisy?

Yeah I guess but my poe is who I see myself potentially voting today, if something is off about them

I can’t pretend I’m caught up, I’m reading in snippets. But your town (except Kate) is pretty much my POE so far. So I guess I have to read more.

I've been thinking that, with the way I've felt threadstate there's a very very low chance that a super low poster who didn't strike me as funky is bad. And Kate is obviously town with sigs flip

I think it's plausible there's a maf in the low posters

Sig tried to draw attention there and it can mean he was trying to throw us off the scent.

Do you think sig tried pulling us into the low posters, and then when he flipped bad we would look away from there, where his teammate was?

I can follow that, but he brought that up before he got much of any suspicion iirc, so I think he was trying to lead town into townies

Here's the post Neon ignored

I ignored it because it's saying exactly what I said

Ig asking really so yes that's what i was saying

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Dennis Is this true?

I think the first two mean the same thing

Idk what to say about this

I think I've been pretty clearly scumreading Neon but I am still trying to work with her

Helping me find you if you're town would help.

Neon I have tried. I have tried so hard. I don't know what it is you want me to do anymore

They say you feel flat, do you feel there's anything in your ISO that could be reasonably understood to be "flat" or disengaged?






She also feels you treated sig like a w! partner, do you agree w/ her take given being town? Or is it just scum motivated?





What would you feel you've done specifically to help Neon TR you?

I don't exactly know what she means by flat, but I believe she means I have been not my silly goofy self. Which I don't really understand, but I also don't really know how to disprove. Like how does one shoe they have emotion

Fmpov, I didn't actually say a lot about sig because a lot of my suspicion was coming from being partners with him in Scooby Doo, which was still going on and he looked like a carbon copy. So this is understandable to me

I have one post in my head, I'll find it and grab it, but I replied to Neon in 2 different messages, one was like "I feel like you're tunneling me" and one was me saying womething about sig trying to attract us to low posters. And Neon only replied to the first one saying "Your bad. This does nothing" completely refusing to acknowledge the second. It's like she is ignoring me trying to work with her and just calling me bad at silly things. One thing I've noticed with Neon is that it seems like I always have to AtE to get her to try and find me as town and I just don't want to do that. I don't want to have to feel like an emotional manipulator or whatever just so Neon will consider a world where I'm town. So if she wants to tunnel me it's absolutely whatever to me at this point because I'm not putting in any more effort than she is willing to

This is not baddie Dennis. This is frustrated and agitated town Dennis.

There's simply no reason to be frustrated

[falcon45ca]

I'm fine sheeping Kate's TR on Dennis

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Neon ISO

Spoiler: show

I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”

True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.

Jokey on the first interaction

Is it you?

no

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

That sounds pretty normal to me tbh

Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

I've never fluffed as mafia

More yokes

Other things it could be include; a real thought, a reaction test, a complete joke, blindness and dizziness, flatulence, nausea and death.

Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.

Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

@Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac

Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

Here are your "low posters." Discuss.

There's a 97.8% chance there's at most 1 wolf there.

There’s only 2 so like that’s half?

Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0

Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is

That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel

Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...

A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check

We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town

So which one of these is your partner?

Obviously me

This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.

Maybe you should

you shouldn't

Sus

There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.

Still no reason to not vote Sig.

Slip aside, his insisting that Falcon and I were town so early without due cause felt TMI. I don't have a reason to tr like I do the others.

It’s a tone:gut read

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?

Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.

Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving

This is also a decent look for Neon.

My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.

Technically I said 50% chance lol

This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.

Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.

You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies

This logic does not compute.

Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.

Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.

Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty

This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.

Undoes the dif check.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?

Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.

This post simultaneously missing a lot of the nuance of things and like misinterpreting many other things

[DrWilgy]

Neon ISO

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I’m 100% committed to voting off anyone that votes cake in this poll.

Also anyone that voted apple slices are third party. And I don’t want to hear “the set up doesn’t say anything about third party sig”

True I'm a town siding 3P survivor.

Jokey on the first interaction

no

Is it me?

Maybe it’s the friends we made along the way?

Buuuuut, it’s probably Mac for trying to end the fluff phase early and reading fluff as anything other than NAI


GG guys I solved the game

That sounds pretty normal to me tbh

Pockets Mac by disolving Sig's opposition to Mac's non fluff posting. Not really a Sig interaction, but at least shows a spark of contention.

Also some fluff is fluff and other fluff is fur trying to look like fluff so to suggest fluff isn't readable is at best, incorrect.

Do you think mafia isn’t capable of making fluff posts?

I’d say the fluff heavy players can do said fluff as town or mafia since there isn’t some secondary meaning to it.

I've never fluffed as mafia

More yokes

Mac is lock town lol

Also I love you Mac.

No

Yes. It's okay your free to be wrong but Mac is the most obvious towny I've ever seen in a N0 lol.

Okay, but if he’s pocketing you and deep wolfing imma whine about it next game.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been pocketed hopelessly.

Won't be the first time I don't care either.

Good look for Neon I think. I don't think Sig would go out of their way to think 'If I say my teammate is being Pocketed, this implies I know they are town and that's how I'll distance.' It's more likely Sig just knew Neon was town and therefore pocketable.

@Neon i don’t think sig is mafia so you shouldn’t sheep mac

Mmm [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I dont know if Neon answers their one teammate like that. A minor good look.

I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.

Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.

You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.

See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

the 'prophecy' post. I think my bigger issue is that there was VERY minimal discussion towards Sig being W from Neon prior to this. Perhaps it could be interpreted from the posts above, but it feels like we missed some steps to get to 'we'll I'll look like I'm bussing if I vote who I think is scum'. Not a good look without that data I think.

There's a 97.8% chance there's at most 1 wolf there.

There’s only 2 so like that’s half?

Yes. Now that we've all done math.

At most 1 but possibly 0

Right, but you’re making it seem like 1 wolf isn’t alot when in a game of this size it is

That's not what I've done at all.

What I've done is made it apparent I'd rather find the wolf(s) that are actively effecting the game state and not shoot the fish in the (slanker) barrel

Still arguing game theory as opposed to alignment.

Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.

It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.

With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...

A Sig push but a non-committal one. This is like oddly layer 1 Mac may be bad layer 2 my Sig read is based on Mac who may be bad. This is a janky post now that I read it in context of W Sig. Bad look.

Thank you for the answers I got earlier today, it helped me to understand a few things better. I may try an early vote sometime.
I’m still confused though as to who I should vote. I’ve had 2 suspicions, and I’m doubting myself on one of them.
So, I noticed Neon was completely different than in the only other game I’ve seen her in, where she was town. When MacDougall, who I think is town, said he kind of thought Neon was town, I let it go. Then he said he was sure she was wolf and I felt kind of relieved, like maybe my spidey senses aren’t completely fried yet.
But my other suspicion is the one I’m really baffled about. I don’t think Kate is town, but everyone else does. Well, except Sig, but that’s a whole other issue. I’m trying to keep an open mind and tell myself I’m reading her wrong, that I’ve not played with her enough lately to make a good judgement call, but Kate, you just don’t seem like your town self to me.
I thought the way you voted Sig showed nervousness. Like your first reason wasn’t good enough, so you had to give a second reason right away, and it just felt like you were nervous. And since then, you’ve seemed over eager/over confident? Maybe you’re just really happy to be playing and very sure you’ve caught a wolf. Idk. Anyway, I’m the only one suspecting you, so I hope I’m wrong. Of course, if Sig flips wolf, then I’ll know for sure if I’m reading you wrong.
I have MacDougall, Falcon, Dennis, SVS as probable town for now, and not sure about Daisy yet.

I actually don't necessarily think Kate is town. Kinda actually think Sig and Kate is a diff check

We think Sig/Kate is a dif check is very bold and we can take some behavior analysis to see if Neon actually believes this.

Mac, neon, Wilgy and falcon are likely all town

So which one of these is your partner?

Obviously me

This was supposed to be kind of tongue in cheek. I don't suspect you atm.

Maybe you should

you shouldn't

Sus

There's like a 50/50 chance I'm back for EoD so

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Votes Sig again with a potential of not being back. Decent.

It’s a tone:gut read

But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?

Since it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”

So yes

You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.

Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Yes. Sigs gut read not evolving is weirder than Kate's gutread evolving

This is also a decent look for Neon.

My biggest issue with neon would be she threw out some Sus on Mac but then is voting with him. Also upon a quick reread she’s much less active than what I’d expect from her town game.

I know I’m civ so that’s the preferred wagon, but I’m not married to it.

It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.

Technically I said 50% chance lol

This interaction also looks good for Neon. Feels like Sig is attempting to justify a vote on Neon.

Bottom line? So many mafia make this mistake D1 of trying to vote me off for weak reasoning. Half the time they get caught and half the time I get mislynched.

Sabi trying it in GoC is the most recently example.

That’s what Kates trying to do here.

You... were hostile 3P in GoC though.

Not mafia though so the misvote attempt still applies

This logic does not compute.

Sig discredits Neon's analysis and Neon clashes with it. Another good look.

Question is whether it really matters.

Can you two get on the same page about a c/w to your wagons? Doesn't seem like you guys agree about anyone in particular both having individual pet scum reads.

Probably not

Let's play a game of would I vote this player

The Players

Dennis - yes
Dr Wigly - yes
falcon45ca - yes
Kate - no
MacDougall - no
Matahari - no
Neon- no
sig - maybe
SixStrings - yes
Spacedaisy - no
S~V~S - not today cause that feels dirty

This is where Neon starts to feel odd. Like There's contradiction in this and the posts following. Neon discourages a CW to both Sig/Neon in unison.

I also super don't understand what the three of you are taking issue with sig on the gut read progression thing?

Are you trying to make out that being a hypocrite is wolfy? It's not. Being a hypocrite is towny because you have confbias in your alignment so don't view yourself as capable of being wolfy so can suspect others for things you're doing. Wolves are less hypocritical in that way.

My problem is I thought Sig/Kate was a diff check and I thought Sig was wolfier overall but now I'm kinda thinking it's just T v T which is fucking with my world view cause Kates general progression is towny itself I think.

Undoes the dif check.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Then in spite of disagreeing with Mac, Neon does it. Why are we all over the place?

Neon I think looks to be the best in appearance OF the people I'd keep in the PoE. Which is now Mata, Six, Mac and Neon. I think that there's alot of evidence that Neon did legitimately suspect Sig early, BUT there was a lack of explanation that makes it hard to remove Neon from PoE. The implication of a dif check into no dif check, thinking mac was right but also wolf, and not going to cw alongside sig but then doing exactly that all show evidence of inconsistency that can be interpreted as either alignment. Maybe Neon was legitimately in a state of being unsure and the reads developed, maybe Neon got stuck in a theatre with a teammate and tried to eject awkwardly. Hard to say.

This post simultaneously missing a lot of the nuance of things and like misinterpreting many other things

This reaction is at least marginally better than Mac's.

I did the work, perhaps you can as well and explain what I missed and misunderstood?

[fingersplints]

Journey to Ratlantis

The main topic of discussion around the playroom was naturally where Waldorf disappeared to.

“Obviously beach is the right answer.” said MacDougall matter-of-factly. DrWilgy and S~V~S interjected that forests and mountains were more secluded so definitely better places to hide at.

“You’re all wrong!” exclaimed Rizzo “He went to the legendary city of Ratlantis!”

“Jumpin’ jellyfish!” Gonzo cried “To the submarine!”

All the muppets clambered aboard the submarine. Animal was so excited as they met a whale that he ignored that little funny feeling growing. By the time they reached the giant squid at the canyon, he was dancing to contain his growing need. But when they were almost at Ratlantis, he suddenly screamed “ANIMAL NEED TO GO POTTY!”

He turned the submarine around, then ran quickly out of the playroom for an urgent “Kate break”.

Kate has left the playroom. She was Animal.
Day 2 has begun. You have 48 hours.



Poll

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[Dennis]

Ya saw that one coming

[DrWilgy]

Yarp was pretty clear cut

[S~V~S]

Yeah, no surprises there.

I'm also gonna [VOTE: Neon] aubergine.

Wilgys ISO, along with Neon and sig both trying to get a Wilgy countertrain going yesterday.

Plus my Day 0/1 interactions with Mac felt legit to me.

I have to catch up elsewhere too, but hopefully I'll get totally caught up to here as well today.