Waiting .
I have a hard time telling you are posting content. Like, I remember seeing your pfp and you saying *things* . But nothing striking me or being notable.
Can you tell me about your view on the game and most confident reads you have rn?
Boop . Looking at D1 postcounts seems like I'm tring like all the high posters lol. Maybe if I'm wrong on someone its PSV but its too soon to go to that holeJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:13 pm Final Day 1 poll
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Avoid confrontation with who? Are you reading that as backing off a push on dya?Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:28 amNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:57 pmI didn't think your read was stated in such a way that it was intended to make Sporty feel good about you, no. Just seemed like a read.dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:54 pmim still not over thatNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pmThis is more pockety than what dya said
dya hears reason sporty is being pushed, reads entire iso, doesn't agree with the call it was defensive, therefore doesnt understand the push
pyxxy: dya is pocketing sporty
It was really this back-and-forth I didn't like. Nate made a joke about something dya said, but backed down from it in a way that looked to me like he was trying to avoid confrontation or putting his takes out there.
Hehe glad you're heresantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:02 pmBoop . Looking at D1 postcounts seems like I'm tring like all the high posters lol. Maybe if I'm wrong on someone its PSV but its too soon to go to that holeJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:13 pm Final Day 1 poll
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This reminds me that I didn't post my spreadsheets last night. Lemme do that for anyone that wants to have fun with VCA.santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR
Can you rephrase?santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pmsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR
Question for people who have had read the game.
Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .
Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine
Be prepared to be fully disappointed when I finish it lol I'm talking to friends while I make itsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:56 pm
Waiting .
I have a hard time telling you are posting content. Like, I remember seeing your pfp and you saying *things* . But nothing striking me or being notable.
Can you tell me about your view on the game and most confident reads you have rn?
It's all the votes placed by each player. eg, falcon and pyxxy moved their votes the most.potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:23 pm I still don't understand Nate's vote waterfalls. Maybe I should just stick to the rivers and the lakes that I'm used to.
Quite interested in your bolded reads.santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:19 pm Half baked readlist
Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature
This is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:57 pmi found this weird too. like tmi?potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pmWhy do you say two night kills here?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.
Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.
The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
She doesn't post all that much either way. I've only played with her when she was town, but from what I've heard she doesn't have a reverse volume tell either.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:29 pmThis is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:57 pmi found this weird too. like tmi?potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pmWhy do you say two night kills here?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.
Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.
The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
Asking to the class for unpairing reads involving Creature or Dennis. And about context in where Dennis voted offwagon while Creature was being cw , to see that maybe being unpairing or not.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:23 pmCan you rephrase?santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pmsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR
Question for people who have had read the game.
Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .
Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine
Neon is a viberead more than anything.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:29 pmQuite interested in your bolded reads.santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:19 pm Half baked readlist
Town : Neon, Sloonei, Mac, Zenge
Townlean : Lawpy, SVS , Seanzie , Falcon
Null : Mighty , Mayo, Wilg, Nate , Miranda, genny
Scumlean : SAR , Dennis , Creature
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:29 pmThis is genny's only post on day 2. Is this person just a struggleposter when they rand mafia?genny wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:57 pmi found this weird too. like tmi?potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:05 pmWhy do you say two night kills here?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:02 pm I ... kinda think the wolves are majority syndicators for some reason.
Like... the two night kills being SDNers feels like it's supposed to look like kills TSers don't make.
The game is being led by the collar by SDNers. Importantly I'm finding like none of the Syndicators all that towny.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:43 pm Votecount as at this post
falcon45ca 3 - (mightyrunner7, potentialsheltervet, Zenge)
Creature 2 - (santygrass, falcon45ca)
Dennis 2 - (Neon, NateTheLesser)
NateTheLesser 2 - (Marmot, MacDougall)
Marmot 1 - (sloonei)
santygrass 1 - (creature)
SARdoghandler 1 - (Seanzie)
DrWilgy 0
dyachei/lawpy 0
genny 0
Kate/Mac 0
Mayo the Mayo 0
mightyrunner7 0
miranda920 0
Neon 0
potentialsheltervet 0
Seanzie 0
S~V~S 0
Sloonei 0
Zenge 0
Sleep / No Elimination 0
Not voting (@SARdoghandler, @Dennis, @santygrass, @DrWilgy, @Lawpy, @genny, @Mayo the Mayo, @miranda920, @S~V~S)
Notes: The Falcon wagon quickly got to 3 and has not moved any further. There is probably 1 wolf between the 4 (inclusive of Falcon) based on wagonomics, rarely 0. Zenge and PSV feel quite town just on solving energy, so in my view there is a likely wolf between Falcon and Mightyrunner7.
I am not a fan of the amount of people presently not voting. We need to pressure wolves, so if you are town in there, please start voting. If you don't have any good ideas of who to vote for, start communicating with your top town and just work with them. It's okay to be wrong. It's not okay to not try.
DrWilgy has been representing a "he's an obvious town" read on Falcon since day 1 but seems untroubled by the pressure Falcon is under. I don't like this.
I'm not here dude, I do dislike the votes on him and will explore those now though.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:43 pm Votecount as at this post
falcon45ca 3 - (mightyrunner7, potentialsheltervet, Zenge)
Creature 2 - (santygrass, falcon45ca)
Dennis 2 - (Neon, NateTheLesser)
NateTheLesser 2 - (Marmot, MacDougall)
Marmot 1 - (sloonei)
santygrass 1 - (creature)
SARdoghandler 1 - (Seanzie)
DrWilgy 0
dyachei/lawpy 0
genny 0
Kate/Mac 0
Mayo the Mayo 0
mightyrunner7 0
miranda920 0
Neon 0
potentialsheltervet 0
Seanzie 0
S~V~S 0
Sloonei 0
Zenge 0
Sleep / No Elimination 0
Not voting (@SARdoghandler, @Dennis, @santygrass, @DrWilgy, @Lawpy, @genny, @Mayo the Mayo, @miranda920, @S~V~S)
Notes: The Falcon wagon quickly got to 3 and has not moved any further. There is probably 1 wolf between the 4 (inclusive of Falcon) based on wagonomics, rarely 0. Zenge and PSV feel quite town just on solving energy, so in my view there is a likely wolf between Falcon and Mightyrunner7.
I am not a fan of the amount of people presently not voting. We need to pressure wolves, so if you are town in there, please start voting. If you don't have any good ideas of who to vote for, start communicating with your top town and just work with them. It's okay to be wrong. It's not okay to not try.
DrWilgy has been representing a "he's an obvious town" read on Falcon since day 1 but seems untroubled by the pressure Falcon is under. I don't like this.
Why are you looking specifically for a w/w me/creature worldsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pmsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR
Question for people who have had read the game.
Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .
Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine
That argument doesn’t look distracting to me and the peacemaker role is what’s actually making me waryMayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pmGet out of here with your calm and reasoning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pmI think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.
I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.
Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.
I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.
I still expect an answer here.
You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.
Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.
I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.
Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.
Gotcha. Neither of them have really made any pushes themselves. I tend to think Creature partners wouldn't push the "volume tell" idea, but I think that was mostly AM.santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:44 pmAsking to the class for unpairing reads involving Creature or Dennis. And about context in where Dennis voted offwagon while Creature was being cw , to see that maybe being unpairing or not.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:23 pmCan you rephrase?santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pmsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR
Question for people who have had read the game.
Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .
Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine
Oh shit, Good job, I like this and was about to review here.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1
Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)
Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)
Notes:
The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.
I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.
Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.
@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?
If you're talking about that massive post with the votes that was mac, not mirandasantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm But also @miranda920 do you realize that you are calling out people for not voting while... You aren't voting.
What is prompting you to 'want to envision a w/w world with creature?santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:14 pmsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:08 pm Scotty (8) - Marmot , Dyachei , Mighty , Sporty , Neon , Creature , Sloonei , Psv
Creature (5) - Mayo , Kate , SVS , falcon , wilgy
Dennis (3) - AM , Scotty , Nate
Sporty (3) - Seanzie , Miranda , Pyxxy
Falcon (2) - Zenge , Santygrass
Marmot (1) - Dennis
Pyxxy (1) - genny
Unvote (1) - SAR
Question for people who have had read the game.
Dennis vote here is weird if I want to envision a W/W world with Creature ? Maybe I should look into context but its easier if someone talks to me about unpairing reads that Creature or Dennis might have with other people .
Also, I kinda sus SAR but wpuld trust PSV vibe read more than mine
By end of day 1 you were being voted by two now dead town, and NateTheLesser. Nate continues to vote you. If you are town and were being voted by three town, I feel like at least one or two of the wolves would have found their way to be voting you by EOD except for in the scenario where the wolves had to throw every spare vote they could at Scotty to ensure Creature survived. Your perspective if town needs to be that there is always a wolf inside of Nate and Creature. Nod if you understand.
Have you read your predecessors ISO? You have the benefit of knowing that it was pure town thought so it would be well advised to at least review it and put some stuck in their reads as Dya is an s-tier town player.
Falcon kinda sits there and lowposts until something interesting happens to him, and when he started really goin is when I started being confident. And he's got extra spice to it because of meta mafia which was a kinda frustrating loss so I believe itsantygrass wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:59 pm @Dennis you have both Zenge and Falcon as confident town , have you talked to Zenge about why you are reading Falcon as town?
Can you talk to me about how you see their whole interaction?
No I am not factoring in multiple factions, and I have Falcon more likely different to Mightyrunner7 than Zedge. Zedge is just town, and in the event Falcon is town I don't think that changes it, if anything it makes it more likely because wolves rarely go hard in the paint to kill a random town the way Zedge would be doing. Why do you think Falcon and Santy contains one?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:05 pmOh shit, Good job, I like this and was about to review here.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1
Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)
Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)
Notes:
The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.
I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.
Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.
@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?
Quick mention of something I noticed. There's likely one in Seanzie/Miranda920 as well.
Effectively we are looking at at least 1 in Dennis/Nate, at least 1 in Seanzie/Miranda920, and lastly at least 1 in the Falcon/Zenge/Santy.
Is the 'Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia' impacted by the multiple factions in your read at all?
I'm leaning scum on genny at the moment