Summer Sh*t Day 5

[staypositivefriend]

ftr i also havent ruled out a world where falcon is town and the team is just something really stupid like sixstrings/sig, solely because the gamestate has felt primarily town dominated to me. i also don't mind resolving falcon today and i think it would be useful for the gamestate

[staypositivefriend]

but if it's falcon, who's their teammate?
I find it hard to believe that it's just something like falcon/Six

maybe sig?

What if we ignore, for a moment, the low posters. Any ideas on people who have been active?

mm not really

i don't think neon would defend falcon so brazenly in a world where they are W/W, and i feel the same about the way that falcon has been treating neon. i think neon is probably clear in a world where falcon flips mafia

i think you and lemonfairy are already clear regardless of falcon's alignment

it's probably not ted in that world based on the way they've been pushing on each other

it could be dennis but a world where dennis/falcon are W/W is a world where dennis bussed both of his partners pretty early into the game, which is a world that i struggle seeing even though it's theoretically possible

it could be sixstrings but i'm also inclined to think that he wouldn't bus like he is currently doing in a world where falcon is mafia

in terms of sheer interactions it could be pxy or PSV, but i've gotten townpings from both of them individual of their treatment of falcon

so while it's not impossible that i'm misclearing someone in that list of names, the fact remains that a world where falcon is mafia is a world where my immediate POE becomes very narrow, because i think multiple people have spewed themselves town in that world

it doesn't have to be sig in that world, but i frankly don't care if he's a lowposter or not, i just care about whether i have any real reasons to townread him, and i don't

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[Kate]

but if it's falcon, who's their teammate?
I find it hard to believe that it's just something like falcon/Six

maybe sig?

What if we ignore, for a moment, the low posters. Any ideas on people who have been active?

mm not really

i don't think neon would defend falcon so brazenly in a world where they are W/W, and i feel the same about the way that falcon has been treating neon. i think neon is probably clear in a world where falcon flips town

i think you and lemonfairy are already clear regardless of falcon's alignment

it's probably not ted in that world based on the way they've been pushing on each other

it could be dennis but a world where dennis/falcon are W/W is a world where dennis bussed both of his partners pretty early into the game, which is a world that i struggle seeing even though it's theoretically possible

it could be sixstrings but i'm also inclined to think that he wouldn't bus like he is currently doing in a world where falcon is mafia

in terms of sheer interactions it could be pxy or PSV, but i've gotten townpings from both of them individual of their treatment of falcon

so while it's not impossible that i'm misclearing someone in that list of names, the fact remains that a world where falcon is mafia is a world where my immediate POE becomes very narrow, because i think multiple people have spewed themselves town in that world

it doesn't have to be sig in that world, but i frankly don't care if he's a lowposter or not, i just care about whether i have any real reasons to townread him, and i don't

I hope sig shows up today. I think he said Monday his schedule would clear up from army weekend?

[falcon45ca]

falcon if u think that kate is powerwolfing, who is her partner?

I don't know who her partner is, but I have theories about who her partner isn't, if that makes sense?




Neon, Six, and PSV I don't feel are w/w with Kate.





Everyone else is on the table

[Kate]

ftr i also havent ruled out a world where falcon is town and the team is just something really stupid like sixstrings/sig, solely because the gamestate has felt primarily town dominated to me. i also don't mind resolving falcon today and i think it would be useful for the gamestate

So that's where you think your vote will land?

[sig]

[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks

The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.

I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.

What do you think of other people who haven't given content yet

Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me

I also townlean you. You're looking like your early civ meta.

Just an FYI since I'm sure this has or will be brought up, but Kate's read on Dennis shouldn't be treated as locked at all. Even with the family tie in.

[Kate]

[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks

The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.

I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.

What do you think of other people who haven't given content yet

Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me

I also townlean you. You're looking like your early civ meta.

Just an FYI since I'm sure this has or will be brought up, but Kate's read on Dennis shouldn't be treated as locked at all. Even with the family tie in.

Hi!!!

Definitely fair enough.

What have you thought about all the back and forth today?

[sig]

i think that dennis defending kate is town indicative regardless of kate's alignment

Dennis 100% always tries to pocket Kate when he's mafia. He then tries to shield himself if Kate town reads him. So if anything I'd say Dennis defending Kate is a

(This is getting a separate post from my catch up since it's a bigger call out)

[sig]

[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks

The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.

I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.

What do you think of other people who haven't given content yet

Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me

I also townlean you. You're looking like your early civ meta.

Just an FYI since I'm sure this has or will be brought up, but Kate's read on Dennis shouldn't be treated as locked at all. Even with the family tie in.

Hi!!!

Definitely fair enough.

What have you thought about all the back and forth today?

I'll get back to you in 14 pages worth of time

[sig]

Anyway I do tend to fall victim to highposter bias easily in general, but my POE is currently Kate, sig, six, and ted.

[sig]

I'm going to start with the 2 voting me. You seem civ and solving.

Psv doesn't know me, so her vote could simply be misplaced (combined with my law activity).

Seanzie concerns me the most, as he knows my play at least a bit better than camilla and psv and I'm surprised he would put a vote on me this early. I'm gonna start by looking at his iso.

All lawyers are soulless, Kate is a lawyer, Therefore kate is soulless.

Now the question is are soulless people mafia.

[Kate]

I'm going to start with the 2 voting me. You seem civ and solving.

Psv doesn't know me, so her vote could simply be misplaced (combined with my law activity).

Seanzie concerns me the most, as he knows my play at least a bit better than camilla and psv and I'm surprised he would put a vote on me this early. I'm gonna start by looking at his iso.

All lawyers are soulless, Kate is a lawyer, Therefore kate is soulless.

Now the question is are soulless people mafia.

I'm going to wait til you gat a little further in the thread before I start responding.

[sig]

If Seanzie's a hit then I'd pressure Zenon tomorrow being that she tends to have a hellbuss-y meta and that vote feels like the most bus-like one since it was casted after we put Seanzie 4-3 over PSV.

Who is Zenon?

[staypositivefriend]

ftr i also havent ruled out a world where falcon is town and the team is just something really stupid like sixstrings/sig, solely because the gamestate has felt primarily town dominated to me. i also don't mind resolving falcon today and i think it would be useful for the gamestate

So that's where you think your vote will land?

well my current perception is that falcon is the designated elimination, and i don't realistically see who else would go over today. so, i don't see a reason to put my vote on falcon right now other than to make myself look townier in a world where he's mafia, which i don't really care about right now

so if my vote actually matters at the EOD, then yes, it will probably be on falcon

[staypositivefriend]

falcon if u think that kate is powerwolfing, who is her partner?

I don't know who her partner is, but I have theories about who her partner isn't, if that makes sense?




Neon, Six, and PSV I don't feel are w/w with Kate.





Everyone else is on the table

is there anyone among "everyone else" that u scumread the most? or that ur the most suspicious of?

[staypositivefriend]

i think that dennis defending kate is town indicative regardless of kate's alignment

Dennis 100% always tries to pocket Kate when he's mafia. He then tries to shield himself if Kate town reads him. So if anything I'd say Dennis defending Kate is a

(This is getting a separate post from my catch up since it's a bigger call out)

happy that you showed up, very interested in hearing your thoughts on the gamestate right now

[Kate]

ftr i also havent ruled out a world where falcon is town and the team is just something really stupid like sixstrings/sig, solely because the gamestate has felt primarily town dominated to me. i also don't mind resolving falcon today and i think it would be useful for the gamestate

So that's where you think your vote will land?

well my current perception is that falcon is the designated elimination, and i don't realistically see who else would go over today. so, i don't see a reason to put my vote on falcon right now other than to make myself look townier in a world where he's mafia, which i don't really care about right now

so if my vote actually matters at the EOD, then yes, it will probably be on falcon

OK TY

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks

The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.

I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.

What do you think of other people who haven't given content yet

Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me

I also townlean you. You're looking like your early civ meta.

Just an FYI since I'm sure this has or will be brought up, but Kate's read on Dennis shouldn't be treated as locked at all. Even with the family tie in.

[sig]

This is gonna be a general D1 vomit thought post so have fun reading it.

Lemon Random vote on Sean a good look.

SPF vs Camille is a bad look for SPF. We'll see how this develops as I catch up.

PSV D1 push on the low posters is a bad look.

Pyxxy is looking good even with their Six vote. I'll be a bit unhappy if they end D1 with that. Buuuuuut, I will accept the pocket.

SPF random vote for Sean is a good look and I'm taking back my prior thought on the SPF/Camille debate. Also I just saw i'm spelling camilia Name wrong. oops too late to fix is and they're dead so like

D1 thoughts.

there's alot of chatter that didn't really stick out to me. granted I'm doing a quicker skim here but still.

I think the following players need to be ISO'd
SPF
PSV (?)
Sean (obviously)
Ted (I don't see a vote count, but he's the second wagon right?)
Dennis
Falcon

Off the top of my head the first 3 to vote Sean, being SPF, Neon, and Kate look good. Dennis I'm iffy on as a whole so there's some bias for his switch.

Lemon, Kate, Pyxxy, Neon, Six, and SPF are all people I'd not vote for D2 based off D1

Lemon, kate, neon, and Pyxxy are town reads.
Six and SPF both are looking to be good, but I know SPF has the ability to deep wolf so they aren't cleared yet.

Ted I need to ISO, but given he was the counterwagon it's a good look and I likely won't be voting their today.

I'm eyeballing.
1. PSV for their low poster/no poster push + general vibes.
2. Dennis for his posting style and defense of kate I need to
3. Falcon for being well within his scum range.

I'll be rereading through these 3 for sure.

[Kate]

Do you think Dennis and falcon could be w/w?

[pyxxy]

If Seanzie's a hit then I'd pressure Zenon tomorrow being that she tends to have a hellbuss-y meta and that vote feels like the most bus-like one since it was casted after we put Seanzie 4-3 over PSV.

Who is Zenon?

Neon (name change in process)

[sig]

Roxy and splints always have open nights.

Open nights will be the death of me

[staypositivefriend]

@Kate - who do u think falcon's partner would be?

[staypositivefriend]

maybe it's not sig lol

[sig]

Do you think Dennis and falcon could be w/w?

It would be odd given they were both just mafia, but so far they're in the POE so it is a possibility.

[Kate]

maybe it's not sig lol

Definitely not sig.

[sig]

@sig no rush to reappear this is just a pleasant poke since nights are apparently open in this game

you'll have a pure opinion of the EOD Seanzie wagon and how it formed, if you're up for some reading, and I would be curious to see who you townclear/lock/read from your perspective

invitation duplicated for @SixStrings

I'm here to save the day!

Do we have a screenshot of the poll?

I think it was me/you/PSV/Six were on Ted's wagon, Falcon/Ted were on PSV's wagon, SPF/Lemon were on Seanzie's wagon then we both went to Seanzie's wagon and then Zenon and Dennis piled on it. Pyxxy was on Six's wagon and Seanzie was on your wagon and neither of them were on during the EoD.

Quoting this here.

If we remove lemon since they didn't mean it (lol if they're mafia and accidentally helped to vote off a teammate from random voting time) then best to worst is.

1. Kate
2. Zenon/Neon
3. SPF
4. Dennis

Dennis from my xp will bus and will panic last minute especially if his teammates aren't around for him to bounce ideas off of.

The one game I recall with SPF they hard bussed a teammate.

Kates progression was natural.

Zneon didn't do enough in terms of bussing to get bussing credit so that gives them more civ credit.

Either way i'd lean away from voting any of these people D2 and mainly just eyeball SPF/Dennis for future phases depending on their posts and performance over D2-D3

[sig]

I’m not dead. Was just ridiculously busy with work + army. I’ll be around somewhat tonight/tomorrow but at army so don’t expect much. I should be into normal swing by Monday so yay.

I did a quick skim to see who died. Good job team on mafia booo that a newbie was killed.

Quick fire thought?

1. Who has played with Camille before since I’m assuming this was first game for them here.

2. I’m cleaning Kate for the kill no other reaosns. Since not caught up. I don’t think she’d have signed off on a new player death N1

Funny that you say this. I was about to bring up who may or may not have killed her based on her status as a first time TS player but I wasn't sure if I could do that. I posed it to one of the hosts and have gotten the OK.

So, I ask the entire group, which of you have played with Camilla before and does anyone know if she goes by any other names?

Psh better to ask for forgiveness and just do it.

[sig]

Does falcon still have that meta where if he doesn’t do anything he’s a wolf and if he puts in some effort he’s a villa?

Might just vote him if that’s the case, but i’m not sure

yes this is 100% still accurate.

[Kate]

I’m not dead. Was just ridiculously busy with work + army. I’ll be around somewhat tonight/tomorrow but at army so don’t expect much. I should be into normal swing by Monday so yay.

I did a quick skim to see who died. Good job team on mafia booo that a newbie was killed.

Quick fire thought?

1. Who has played with Camille before since I’m assuming this was first game for them here.

2. I’m cleaning Kate for the kill no other reaosns. Since not caught up. I don’t think she’d have signed off on a new player death N1

Funny that you say this. I was about to bring up who may or may not have killed her based on her status as a first time TS player but I wasn't sure if I could do that. I posed it to one of the hosts and have gotten the OK.

So, I ask the entire group, which of you have played with Camilla before and does anyone know if she goes by any other names?

Psh better to ask for forgiveness and just do it.

I'll keep that in mind in the future

[sig]

Falcon
Lemon
Neon
Pyxxy

Poe, thoughts?

I'd remove Lemon, add PSV and Dennis

Neon would get a pass today.

Pyxxy is unlikely to be mafia considering we only have 2 left.
SPF is a deep wolf candidate, but that would be like lylo/phase before lylo not D2.

[sig]

@sig you've got one job and one job only

Wow dead thread is dead

I’d like @pyxxy to explain their reads

And until then I’m comfortable on Dennis.

I think he’s trying to create reasons to mafia read someone hence the Neon read.

This read is especially illogical since we all just finished a post cap game where Neon was civ and did the same excat thing so it makes zero sense for why it would be suspicious now.

I think he’s also having difficulty maneuvering around Wilgy since he has TMI

I'm not gonna argue with this but I will post the question, do you really think I would try the same thing 2 games in a row, knowing my previous mafia partners are in this game

Classic wifom I think

I don’t think you’re skilled enough at mafia yet to think about it ahead of time nor do I think you’ve got the ability to shift your meta that much yet game to game.

So yea I do think a mafia Dennis would use that as a reason to throw out a ping

(ed note: This quote is from a different previous game of Mafia, it is NOT from this current game)

^Does your reasoning for scumreading Dennis in Tongue-Tied mafia carry over to this Dennis quote below?

I'm not terribly opposed to a pyxxy vote

I think that post with the "hey pls leave a legacy" is kind of pockety and trying to be like "heeeey pal so tr me before u die k thanks bye bye"

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Yes

[sig]

Plus I don't think Sig would kill Camilla n1 either, but he definitely would kill me

For future Meta purposes I have no comment

[sig]

side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team

Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?

Omg. Their***

@Epignosis

[sig]

So yh.

I'd say that the first four voters on Seanzie are always pure and Zenon's vote on him was a huge red flag since she tends to bus a lot and it feels like her EoD was fairly frozen.

I'll look back to her interaction with Seanzie as I feel like PSV/Seanzie are fairy unaligned, so my towncore for d2 would be me/SPF/Dennis/Lemon/Kate/PSV.

Remainder are Zenon/Falco/Tedd plus the two slankers. I don't think Pyxxy is wolfing regardless of his lack of interaction with Seanzie.

[sig]

I'm fully caught up.

Falcon, PSV, Dennis, and maybe Ted(?) are my four

I don't think Ted/Falcon or Pyxxy/Falcon are W/W if Falcon is mafia both are cleared. But, I also have no idea why I just wrote that about Pyxxy.

PSV and SPF I need to ISO.

Camilla while being a solid Civ wasn't the only one so that points to one of her legacy reads being correct.

I disagree with the people who say a teammate wouldn't bus D1/D2. If you have a clear mafia read then I could see it. For example, in this case Falcon is nearly a consensus of the strong town reads at the moment, so I could see a bus there. D1 a bus could happen if you got caught up in the moment.

I wouldn't clear Six, but they're still new and playing the same way they did as town.

[sig]

I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

[Kate]

I'm fully caught up.

Falcon, PSV, Dennis, and maybe Ted(?) are my four

I don't think Ted/Falcon or Pyxxy/Falcon are W/W if Falcon is mafia both are cleared. But, I also have no idea why I just wrote that about Pyxxy.

PSV and SPF I need to ISO.

Camilla while being a solid Civ wasn't the only one so that points to one of her legacy reads being correct.

I disagree with the people who say a teammate wouldn't bus D1/D2. If you have a clear mafia read then I could see it. For example, in this case Falcon is nearly a consensus of the strong town reads at the moment, so I could see a bus there. D1 a bus could happen if you got caught up in the moment.

I wouldn't clear Six, but they're still new and playing the same way they did as town.

I don't see psv or ted. Dennis mayyyybe but I really don't think so.

[sig]

I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

Given that you still got an immediate post D1 mention I’d say it’s enough to have you be in the POE, but not an option for D2

[staypositivefriend]

do u think im mafia kate?

[sig]

I'm fully caught up.

Falcon, PSV, Dennis, and maybe Ted(?) are my four

I don't think Ted/Falcon or Pyxxy/Falcon are W/W if Falcon is mafia both are cleared. But, I also have no idea why I just wrote that about Pyxxy.

PSV and SPF I need to ISO.

Camilla while being a solid Civ wasn't the only one so that points to one of her legacy reads being correct.

I disagree with the people who say a teammate wouldn't bus D1/D2. If you have a clear mafia read then I could see it. For example, in this case Falcon is nearly a consensus of the strong town reads at the moment, so I could see a bus there. D1 a bus could happen if you got caught up in the moment.

I wouldn't clear Six, but they're still new and playing the same way they did as town.

I don't see psv or ted. Dennis mayyyybe but I really don't think so.

I’m leaning away from Ted as well. PSV I have to read which May or may not happen this phase

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

Given that you still got an immediate post D1 mention I’d say it’s enough to have you be in the POE, but not an option for D2

Self meta but I never kill Camilla lol

[sig]

I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

Given that you still got an immediate post D1 mention I’d say it’s enough to have you be in the POE, but not an option for D2

Self meta but I never kill Camilla lol

It would make the game easier if this was true so self meta accepted

[Kate]

do u think im mafia kate?

Well, youre in my poe.

[Kate]

I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

Given that you still got an immediate post D1 mention I’d say it’s enough to have you be in the POE, but not an option for D2

Self meta but I never kill Camilla lol

I believe this, fwiw.

[staypositivefriend]

do u think im mafia kate?

Well, youre in my poe.

the way you were talking around me implied to me that you thought i was scum but that you weren't saying it for some reason, and i like it when people are direct about their thoughts

i don't mind though, tinfoil makes me stronger

[Kate]

do u think im mafia kate?

Well, youre in my poe.

the way you were talking around me implied to me that you thought i was scum but that you weren't saying it for some reason, and i like it when people are direct about their thoughts

i don't mind though, tinfoil makes me stronger

I'd have to see how the day plays out before I could make an educated guess on a wolf other than falcon.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[tedxtr]

is eod in 20 mins?