4 posts left for tha win less gooo
i'm viewing the interactions under a fair assumpation that Epignosis would do the following (or prefer to do so, at least under a two-wolf setup)
1. not buss the teammate, if possible
2. not suss the teammate in excess or to a point of bringing the teammate in real danger
3. defend the teammate if needed, however subtle
4. variate tone, but within range of achieving points 1 to 3
Epignosis - Syn synergy (
syn-ergy get it he he)
#147 banter talk (thanks Syn for approving of his thunal vote)
#446 pitches in to Syn talk with Marmot about teammate (D1) behaviour - honestly, not a point I fully grasp or can read into
#769 banter / slight berate on Syn's manner to question, instead of debating his nutella case
#774 follows up why asking Syn to hol on till he develops a full nutella case
#777 sighs when Syn dismisses his nutella case
#965 deflects when Syn states they'd be be fine with a wagon on him
#979 replies upon Syn's change of vibe on Epig wagon
#1006 rates / reads Epig "purple"
fairly underwhelming / below average level (or amount) of interactions on Epig's behalf. it would fit more of a "ignore teammate" angle, which they also semeed to ironically exchange thoughts on. #769 felts like a poke, it could be compatible with feigning some difference of wavelength. #1006 is stinky - can't really fathom why the need to make a joke read on Syn of all
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Syn - Epignosis synergy (
syn-ergy hehe get i- oh nvmd)
#133 points out to Epig in thread that votes are locked, then jokes further
#216 vibe checks Epig yellow (below null?)
#350 pokes Epig (and falcon) on having made "vanity votes" in sync with the ongoing topics at that time
#603 notices that Epig has avoided him "all day (1)", but also defends not having followed up
#768 asks (simply) Epig why nutella is his pick
#780-784 has a chain of reactions, from "grief" to "acceptance", when Marmot votes Epignosis
#1078 jacknicholson.gif reaction to nutella stating an epig/syn wolfery
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wow, bit surprised interactions on this side are also thin. a lot of these looks (especially the wail on Epig being voted and the rather ill-timed banter towards nutella late EoD) fairly bad for a WolfSyn, but could also within reason amount to egg-on-face for a TownSyn. make me wanna rise to my feet and yell "your honor, this is proof of guilt!", yet also ponder for an extra sec "this is suboptimal wolfmate work, could it be that suboptimal coming from Syn"
the wolf-wolf main profile would be one in which Syn just about casts suss on Epig but not really, and Epig occasionally poked and bantered to create slight distance, but nowhere near a real growl. very in your face would be the banter, the "purple" vote and Syn's reactions to players who pushed Epig into serious wagon.
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Epignosis - falcon
#450 banter / berate(?) for falcon to change his debut post shtick
#463 banter react
#987 reads falcon "not mafia"
#1006 reiterates civread on falcon
falcon - Epignosis
#419 sympathetic or banter post to epig locking himself with the D1 vote
#460 somewhat rebuttal to an Epig react (of his debut post shtick), but could also constitute banter
#466 appears to conflate Epig's banter react into a statement that he is not in danger to except the post cap
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bleargh. this is peak ignore-lane from pretty much both sides. Epig went so far as to give a read on falcon, would be compatible with avoiding to cast any suss, don't recall any actual heat on falcon at that stage, also think this is a casual read from Epig - could serve purpose, could just be thrown out there, whilst focusing on wolfreading others. Two of falcon's three direct interactions are notable serios tone - not sure I get any real need from falcon (slank mode or not) to defend in such way.
vote-wise, WolfFalcon could have done his part to go off side (off-wagons vote), early on, and not need to take a stance on bussing Epignosis.
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Epignosis - Scotty
#141 banter deflect (implying wolfmateship with Thunal) to Scotty criticising / casting doubt on his vote-derp and immediate oops-reaction
#443 deflect to Scotty questioning Epig's reaction to his vote-derp
#470 flat out refuses upon Scotty's inquiry to expand nutella read (possible lateness of hour for Epig to take into account)
#752 reads Scotty "not mafia"
#754 open talk with Scotty on reading me wolf (or getting any info on my partner, if wolf)
#967 short rebuttal to a full SVS case on Scotty, reiterating "not mafia"
#975 deflect to Thunal putting in question an Epig/Scot team
#987 reiterates "not mafia" read on Scotty
#1001 yet another nope to reading Scotty mafia (in regards to nutella's push)
this is plentiful and interesting to ponder. first half is quite antagonistic in tone, but without any visible bite marks, no questioning of Scotty's reads and intents. then things seem to calm and even steer into town-reading him repeatedly. compatible in theory with wolfmate not creating further shade on a hounded teammate. but also compatible with choosing Scotty as one of his townreads, a prey with which not to play.
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#139 blasts full doubt on Epignosis's string of vote-derp and oops-reaction
#142 joke gif banter to Epig's claim that he is partnered with Thunal
#203 keeps questioning if Epignosis vote-derp is reasonable wolf move
#407 willing to give Epig a pass, but states possible of wolf move
#452 would join Epig on a nutella vote
#469 asks Epig to expand on nutella read
#751 still keeps in mind early take on Epignosis
#770 still questions Epig's nutella angle
#771 but then banters to Epig poking for a debate
#791 takes in Syn's choices for Epig & Thunal wagons, and votes thunal
somewhat a similar dinamic. even more antagonistic early on - in fact, the closest to a
hounding I can interpret in questioning Epig's derp and posts afterwards. then settles for a "pass". then begins to sync with Epig (potential nutella wagon). still does most of the steps one would expect, in regards to questioning Epig's reads. this part is not something that can be fully set into townScot or wolfScot - it's within expectations, but it's also an easy chore, if something needed to be faked in-thread. rather null on this.
but then, one step further than Epig's established dynamic: #791 full stinky - fully interpretable as choosing the non-wolfmate route (complete with sheeping Syn, whilst at it)
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do I feel I can clear any of these players out of a POE? not really
i'm still ok with solving either of them.
if it's worth considering a traditional narrative (wolfmates bro'ing each other), then all points to Scotty
if it's a fractured or atypical narrative, then, even admitting an imperfect analysis, it's worth considering there was much banter, much ignore and whatnot with either Syn or Falcon
worst vote / possible save attempt award goes to Syn
@S~V~S,
@nutella,
@Thunal33 kindly pitch in
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Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:55 am
[SNIP OF BIGGER POST}
The Rico vs Thunal clearing is specific in context to their games. I don’t see a path to the end for Rico if he is bad if he continues to slank along making weird disjointed votes and posts. He obviously woke up from his coma after Epi died. I think that’s notable. Thunal said he’s done something like this as town in a game she played with him, and I’d still like to see it.
Meanwhile, the vote was more inclined imo to go either thunal or Epi yesterday from what I read. I know Rico *could* have been a close call, but I think it was a longshot based on remaining voters.
Your Epi quote shading Rico is a good one, although I’ll need to look at it in context because that could just be lamenting. His partner could have been able to swing votes away. At the point he posted that, (thanks to Syn), nutella then voted Thunal, and we had:
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:47 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:41 pm
Me neither. But I don’t want to vote Thunal or Syn, and don’t think the case on Epi is strong.
I thought you suspected Epi?
nutella's vote forces you into picking one of the three
even if you convince me, and epi, to stack on rico, rico can just tie his wagon with either epi or thunal
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Epi (2) - Marmot, Thunal
Syn (1) - Falcon
Thunal (2) - Scotty, Nutella
Hasn't voted: Epi, Rico, SVS, Syn
So if rico is bad, we had nut, svs and syn that could all vote for a non-wagon in rico. Rico was holding, Epi was holding. At BEST, rico was never going over. Epi was the far more likely candidate to go over.
Rico should not be cleared for this
Couple of things about this.
The quote vote state is still early, Syn voted Thunal, SVS voted Epig, I voted last, Epig never did. So I dealt with a 3-3 tie.
Hence, the only world you can paint with your angle is that I deliberately chose to not save my teammate (as in not even offer his a change to win the tiebreak toss). Furthermore, I had arrived in thread at 2-2 or 3-2 lead for Thunal, so wolf me would have had direct shot at killing Thunal. So in essence, I hard bussed only to bank on winning solo three more Day phases. Can you explain further this world's plausibility?
" which just means if you end up picking someone else, and they flip green, we'll just be back here tomorrow doing this entire "oh maybe it's syn!!!!!" thing again and wasting time until F3. every minute spent being paranoid about me is a minute spent not actually hunting the wolf, and in a mountainous game and with these interactions, it's extremely unlikely that I talk my way back into a solid town read. and the effort required to do so, again, means it's effort not going into finding the wolf.