Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[Thunal33]

I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?

[DrWilgy]

I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?

Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"

Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?

[DrWilgy]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?

Why is thunal not town?

GTH she is, but she kinda fits with some of my suspects.

What do you read out of the fact they are not responding to me at all? Does that not strike you as odd in the slightest?

Not particularly given your handling of her today. It doesn’t make her look “better” I guess.

[Thunal33]

I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?

Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"

Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?

Maybe, but I feel like someone else saying it wouldn't be far fetched especially when there's 3 other mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?

If we broadly find this agreeable, then we’re left with:

Abigail
Thunal
S~V~S
Michelle
LoRab
ts account
Scotty
[JJJ]

While that’s a lot of names, I think the viable teams contained within are relatively few.

[Thunal33]

Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?

Why is thunal not town?

GTH she is, but she kinda fits with some of my suspects.

What do you read out of the fact they are not responding to me at all? Does that not strike you as odd in the slightest?

If you must know, I have a rule I try to follow in my games where I make at least 90% of my posts about solving instead of defending myself. I try not to get bogged down in defense since it just makes me annoyed and takes away from my solving.

[Thunal33]

Spoiler: show

I would comment on Scotty unpairings if it weren't for the fact that I already resigned myself to there being only 2 mafia that have posted at all.

Understandable. I think we're kind of left with a reasoning dilemma. Let me work it out (for my own sake):

Spoiler: show

Premise 1: Scotty doesn't fit with most active players.
Premise 2: Scotty can fit with inactive players.
Conclusion: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).

If we accept the above argument, we can proceed to another:

Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammates.
Premise 2: Scotty is mafia.
Conclusion: He has inactive teammate(s).

Valid argument. Modus ponens. Premise two requires killing Scotty and achieving a mafia flip.

Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).
Premise 2: The inactives aren't mafia.
Conclusion: Scotty isn't mafia.

Valid argument. Modus tollens. Premise two requires flipping multiple inactives and getting town flips.

Both work, but the latter requires more chopping. Bleh. Of course neither argument matters if the flips don't align with the premises "2". Scotty flipping town is poop.

The content of that spoiler can probably be ignored, actually. I don't think my thinking was sound, because arguments can just be inverted to suit a desired strategy. But I typed all of it, so whatever here's a post.

If I were to flip today, I do feel like it will be much more substantive to analyze who voted me and why- what looked original, what looked opportunistic.

As I’ve said in my reread, it felt like Robyn was the most opportunistic. I still think cape is town, even if he won’t get off my back.
Princess Abigail is making questionable plays if she were wolf, and though I’ve never seen her wolf game, I don’t feel like voting me looks like confused town.
SVS is straight up tunneling me, so it feels like I’m going down that path again lol and hope I’m right this time

Town read:
Cape
Long con
Thunal (uno reversal. I dunno. Really liked the involvement I’ve seen in my read back today. Seems solvy)

Town lean:
JJJ (should not be voted today, only a doofus would do it)
Princess Abigail (I also don’t feel like mafia PA comes after the juggernaut JJJ immediately, tho I must profess I don’t know what mafia PA looks like. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it)
bereft (ending response about Robyn)

Scumlean:
LoRab. (Only minorly Scumlean because I haven’t seen too much town equity atm)

Scumread:
Robyn

Others need to post more

I can’t make a good read on SVS at the moment- my paranoia is coming back inadvertently because she keeps wondering why I’m not paranoid. WELL THE PARANOIA IS IN TOWN AND FOUND AN AIR BNB

We’re still missing like 3 people that haven’t posted, which is…….bad. As I have said early on with JJJ, we need town to POST in a no-info dumping game.
@RondoDimBuckle @Seanzie @ts account

Im getting a chuckle out of the fact that Scotty/SVS interactions have continued to be of enduring interest in the thread, even as I've found them useful for one thing and nothing else.

Scotty SVS is T v T and this is silly silly

TBD on SVS. She’s fixated on minor details when she does pop in and that’s not something I’m associating with town svs

<Snip>

It's too cold to walk the dog on concrete, we just did the yard this AM, so I actually have time to read the thread a bit, not just reply to @s (most of which seem to be from you?) and do some real time. And, this is a borderline post, since it doesn't really relate to suspicion, but more to general game play, but meh.

I like to tell people their tells, it makes for a more challenging game going forward. Winning is nice, but winning becasue you figured them out, is nicer, IMO. So you can tell me

Ok, well the sample size is pretty small but you’re doing the thing you did in our last game together that I associate with the bad you- it’s a habit of over-explaining and giving excuses.

And that you’re still fixated on me. Do you even have any other reads?

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I can see Scotty w. I feel like Scotty's trying to appease SVS in a lot of his posts and even when he finally votes SVS he's still trying to get her off him and asks her for other reads. A lot of TBD on her and holding out on an SVS read that just feels like he's trying to get her off his back instead of solving her.

[DrWilgy]

I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?

Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"

Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?

Maybe, but I feel like someone else saying it wouldn't be far fetched especially when there's 3 other mafia.

Fair enough. Feels pretty all or nothing to me, but it may be the case.

[Thunal33]

When I played with Abi as t/t she had extremely strong stances on who not to chop. She was willing to fight me and others when we voted her townreads and was extremely confident. The difference is bigger than I thought when I looked at her meta.

From another game:

Spoiler: show

I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.

At least someone gets it

Honestly you should kill me today though

No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.

Mmm yikes. Wilgy is like a really bad kill here.

They haven't been playing wolfy their play makes no sense from a wolf perspective the only reason they are PoEd is cause they are slanky and barely there but is that really wolfy? The way they are slanking is just town who can't be assed

Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Hell yeah, let's goooooo

If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Pretty sure he was around when I claimed. Also I don't see how this is a jump on when Wilgy voted the wagon first?

Wilgy parking there all phase just doesn't feel wolfy this isn't a wolf play this is town Wilgy not giving a fuck

I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

For context, the first two posts were when I was the only one strongly sussing Wilgy.

Compare that with how she treated SVS this game. Abi townread SVS but it felt limp and she didn't do anything to justify that except one post calling Scotty/SVS t/t. SVS caught a lot of heat but she didn't jump to her defense or show she actually cared about that read.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

[Thunal33]

Robyn
Cape
JJJ
Bereft

Michelle
DrWilgy

DarlingMonroe
SVS
Rondo
ts account

LoRab
Scotty
Abigail

[Michelle]

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.

Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.

Sorry i am late, everyone!

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
1
13%
Voters: Thunal33
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
13%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Michelle‬
2
25%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
3
38%
Voters: DrWilgy, Cape90, robyn
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

1
13%
Voters: Bereft
Total votes: 8

VC

[Michelle]

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.

Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.

Sorry i am late, everyone!

If that's the reason you are voting me, it's extremely weak, sir @JaggedJimmyJay

[Michelle]

Guess no one is here at this hour

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

[Michelle]

I'll come back, it's dinner time for me

[robyn]

I'm not surprised you didn't die. I'm surprised Robyn didn't die.

i thought you’d be the nk in all worlds lol

[Bereft]

I'm not surprised you didn't die. I'm surprised Robyn didn't die.

i thought you’d be the nk in all worlds lol

Wait what. Oh that impacts my view of the game then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.

Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.

Sorry i am late, everyone!

“I doubt you can’t notice” seemed like shade. You omgused me hard as mafia in champs.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

[robyn]

@Thunal33 i don’t mean to demean you or anything but every post you’ve posted so far ends up being a thought or a consequence of a thought i haven’t said. you should start signing your posts as “devils advocate” or something

[robyn]

jjj/scotty/thunal mighttt be clean, then like svs is lockwolf

can someone please point our the wolf mechanic that destroyed scotty’s ability to type, it’s an open setup and i couldn't find it, but it’d be dumb to fake it in an open setup

[robyn]

oh wait it might just be baz

[DarlingMonroe]

working my way, on page 26 rn + writing a reply with multiple quotes

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

I concur

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[robyn]

god if michelle is wolf i ran it down

[Michelle]

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.

Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.

Sorry i am late, everyone!

“I doubt you can’t notice” seemed like shade. You omgused me hard as mafia in champs.

So?

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.

[Michelle]

god if michelle is wolf i ran it down

I'm not.

What's your read on Jay?

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

I concur

Explain

[robyn]

god if michelle is wolf i ran it down

I'm not.

What's your read on Jay?

he’s probably just town

[robyn]

god if michelle is wolf i ran it down

I'm not.

What's your read on Jay?

he’s probably just town

he’s played like an idiot, and i don’t thnk scum jay plays like that for reasons of he’s not an idiot + planning ability

i also think only me/jay/bereft will take this in the correct way

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.

I already corrected this falsehood.

[Michelle]

Is hard to believe you really think If i was omgusing as wolf I am not doing it with harder conviction as town

Can you explain me your jump on me? @JaggedJimmyJay

[Thunal33]

@Thunal33 i don’t mean to demean you or anything but every post you’ve posted so far ends up being a thought or a consequence of a thought i haven’t said. you should start signing your posts as “devils advocate” or something

You're not wrong lol. I do find it funny how anti-consensus my reads are today.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.

What exactly about Jay's push do you find sus and do you have any other reason to suspect him?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is hard to believe you really think If i was omgusing as wolf I am not doing it with harder conviction as town

Can you explain me your jump on me? @JaggedJimmyJay

I made a whole case in advance of EOD. You responded to it. I can’t go digging right now on my phone.

[Michelle]

god if michelle is wolf i ran it down

I'm not.

What's your read on Jay?

he’s probably just town

he’s played like an idiot, and i don’t thnk scum jay plays like that for reasons of he’s not an idiot + planning ability

i also think only me/jay/bereft will take this in the correct way

I don't understand. Jay is for me in mafia gods tier, how come you say he played like an idiot?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’ll be home soon. Gonna be as full blast JJJ as anyone has seen me since champs season 7. I’m done with the silly.

[Michelle]

Is hard to believe you really think If i was omgusing as wolf I am not doing it with harder conviction as town

Can you explain me your jump on me? @JaggedJimmyJay

I made a whole case in advance of EOD. You responded to it. I can’t go digging right now on my phone.

I certainly didn't read any case, just the post you said that pinged you and looked extremely shallow from you

[Michelle]

I’ll be home soon. Gonna be as full blast JJJ as anyone has seen me since champs season 7. I’m done with the silly.

Oh, this I want to see!

[Bereft]

god if michelle is wolf i ran it down

I'm not.

What's your read on Jay?

he’s probably just town

he’s played like an idiot, and i don’t thnk scum jay plays like that for reasons of he’s not an idiot + planning ability

i also think only me/jay/bereft will take this in the correct way

I understand.

[DarlingMonroe]

As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

[DarlingMonroe]

As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

Edit:

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo
????: thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account
mafia lean: michelle
mafia reads: SVS, bereft

[robyn]

god if michelle is wolf i ran it down

I'm not.

What's your read on Jay?

he’s probably just town

he’s played like an idiot, and i don’t thnk scum jay plays like that for reasons of he’s not an idiot + planning ability

i also think only me/jay/bereft will take this in the correct way

I don't understand. Jay is for me in mafia gods tier, how come you say he played like an idiot?

both are true, god can bleed, etc etc, some obligatory analogous nsfw reference

[robyn]

As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

Edit:

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo
????: thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account
mafia lean: michelle
mafia reads: SVS, bereft

elaborate on the bereft suspicion

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.

What exactly about Jay's push do you find sus and do you have any other reason to suspect him?

It's about his 'ping' coming from my post where he misinterpreted my sentence as omgus.
Now I get he has a case I didn't read so if there's more then he's probably convinced so idk
Honestly if I can get a read on Jay today if we talk a little I will be content, so poking the giant with a stickomgus is the best way to do it.