RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:00 pm
I really hate this world view and I refuse to give up on JJJ being wolf till after the flip
fth what's ur worldview
assuming
me/jjj/bereft/cape town
how is bereft in there? how are you in there? what the fuck?
oh, its a town read. No
JJJ/Thunal/Cape +1 There is still a chance you're wrong on cape but also maybe the insane happened yesterday and I have tp accept it
oh so you're at the same solve you had coming into today with
cape town
jjj town
bereft town
robyn town
what's the solve in that world, where i'm right and you aren't, and your worldview is just bunk
Thats why I have been working with you and not pushing cape and JJJ anymore. I have tried my best to get him over, I am claiming cred post game and just working with you as if I think they are town. Hence thunal being my preferred today.
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am
And if you think that "pairs us", oh well
Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.
I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).
Why do you think it's NAI?
A lot of my stronger town tells are because I don't think the person would even have the thought as mafia.
I think that was one of those moments where Michelle said reasoning mafia wouldn't even think of. I don't see Michelle as someone who has as in-depth reasoning as scum and absolutely would make that kind of read as a snap take and leave it. The fact that she considered all this history with this read in particular, an easy townread on the scariest player in the game, I think is something scum Michelle wouldn't do. It's the kind of read that would be an afterthought as scum.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.
I think S~V~s has a general policy that she will endorse no matter who it is (and she's probably a bit more likely still with oldschooler posters like LoRab). I don't think it matters what alignment either of them are. It's part of her game philosophy.
The primary reason I don't share your confidence about that Michelle read is that I know with certainty that I have provided explanations like that as mafia. Mafia can definitely think of it, and indeed that's something I may even emphasize as mafia. Sometimes a narrative is sellable as a story, and you can be sure that I will capitalize on that as a wolf. I don't know really if that's in Michelle's playbook, but I know it's in mine. I am sure she is telling the truth, but I don't think it means much.
I'm also looking at it from the POV of Michelle specifically. She fooled me as a spectator and I looked at that scum game to find ways to read her, and I found that she was a bit more one-sided and oriented to survive. I don't think she would think of that as mafia and I also think her approach to the game would be different. More picking a target and pushing it, like continuing the OMGUS of you the whole time or picking someone else for the day.
Why are you voting Michelle, please and thank you.
either chop is solid but also i think a michelle miss is better than a lorab miss, michelle dies the day after if lorab town and i'm still trusting my initial lorab tr
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Why are you voting Michelle, please and thank you.
either chop is solid but also i think a michelle miss is better than a lorab miss, michelle dies the day after if lorab town and i'm still trusting my initial lorab tr
So inactivity and residual townread, makes plenty of sense.
I'm looking through that wolf game now btw. So far Michelle feels more friendly and engaged there but I feel like it could be because of two different game environments and I doubt that's actually a tell.
Why are you voting Michelle, please and thank you.
either chop is solid but also i think a michelle miss is better than a lorab miss, michelle dies the day after if lorab town and i'm still trusting my initial lorab tr
So inactivity and residual townread, makes plenty of sense.
we spoke about this, recency bias
i think we're wagoning a wolf though, so that's good
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am
And if you think that "pairs us", oh well
Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.
I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).
Why do you think it's NAI?
A lot of my stronger town tells are because I don't think the person would even have the thought as mafia.
I think that was one of those moments where Michelle said reasoning mafia wouldn't even think of. I don't see Michelle as someone who has as in-depth reasoning as scum and absolutely would make that kind of read as a snap take and leave it. The fact that she considered all this history with this read in particular, an easy townread on the scariest player in the game, I think is something scum Michelle wouldn't do. It's the kind of read that would be an afterthought as scum.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.
I think S~V~s has a general policy that she will endorse no matter who it is (and she's probably a bit more likely still with oldschooler posters like LoRab). I don't think it matters what alignment either of them are. It's part of her game philosophy.
The primary reason I don't share your confidence about that Michelle read is that I know with certainty that I have provided explanations like that as mafia. Mafia can definitely think of it, and indeed that's something I may even emphasize as mafia. Sometimes a narrative is sellable as a story, and you can be sure that I will capitalize on that as a wolf. I don't know really if that's in Michelle's playbook, but I know it's in mine. I am sure she is telling the truth, but I don't think it means much.
I'm also looking at it from the POV of Michelle specifically. She fooled me as a spectator and I looked at that scum game to find ways to read her, and I found that she was a bit more one-sided and oriented to survive. I don't think she would think of that as mafia and I also think her approach to the game would be different. More picking a target and pushing it, like continuing the OMGUS of you the whole time or picking someone else for the day.
The desire to survivie is not AI per se
Speccing a game =/= playing and you should know it
Also don't you know I am fighting for my life as town?
The advantage of a LoRab chop is that a non-voter is removed from the game -- if mafia, sure great, if town, well -- can't have town non-voters in 10 vs. 4. She'd probably turn up eventually granted, albeit way behind.
Same applied to Seanzie, so folks will have to wrestle with that. I don't care about activity level either way (high or low, a wolf is a wolf).
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Why are you voting Michelle, please and thank you.
either chop is solid but also i think a michelle miss is better than a lorab miss, michelle dies the day after if lorab town and i'm still trusting my initial lorab tr
So inactivity and residual townread, makes plenty of sense.
we spoke about this, recency bias
i think we're wagoning a wolf though, so that's good
If it goes to a tie then I vote Mich maybe. Smth smth if the thread wants Mich, I'm going to give it to them because I don't have anyway of a Michelle defense.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am
And if you think that "pairs us", oh well
Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.
I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).
Why do you think it's NAI?
A lot of my stronger town tells are because I don't think the person would even have the thought as mafia.
I think that was one of those moments where Michelle said reasoning mafia wouldn't even think of. I don't see Michelle as someone who has as in-depth reasoning as scum and absolutely would make that kind of read as a snap take and leave it. The fact that she considered all this history with this read in particular, an easy townread on the scariest player in the game, I think is something scum Michelle wouldn't do. It's the kind of read that would be an afterthought as scum.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.
I think S~V~s has a general policy that she will endorse no matter who it is (and she's probably a bit more likely still with oldschooler posters like LoRab). I don't think it matters what alignment either of them are. It's part of her game philosophy.
The primary reason I don't share your confidence about that Michelle read is that I know with certainty that I have provided explanations like that as mafia. Mafia can definitely think of it, and indeed that's something I may even emphasize as mafia. Sometimes a narrative is sellable as a story, and you can be sure that I will capitalize on that as a wolf. I don't know really if that's in Michelle's playbook, but I know it's in mine. I am sure she is telling the truth, but I don't think it means much.
I'm also looking at it from the POV of Michelle specifically. She fooled me as a spectator and I looked at that scum game to find ways to read her, and I found that she was a bit more one-sided and oriented to survive. I don't think she would think of that as mafia and I also think her approach to the game would be different. More picking a target and pushing it, like continuing the OMGUS of you the whole time or picking someone else for the day.
The desire to survivie is not AI per se
Speccing a game =/= playing and you should know it
Also don't you know I am fighting for my life as town?
Tbh, I don't think having a desire to survive is AI but putting solving before one more likely comes from town.
I also get a lot of my reads/meta from spectating so even though it's not exactly the same I still use it to sort of train my play.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:13 pm
The advantage of a LoRab chop is that a non-voter is removed from the game -- if mafia, sure great, if town, well -- can't have town non-voters in 10 vs. 4. She'd probably turn up eventually granted, albeit way behind.
Same applied to Seanzie, so folks will have to wrestle with that. I don't care about activity level either way (high or low, a wolf is a wolf).
negative, arguments used to not chop me by you were that I would come back and post
Seanzie would have done the same yet he was the chop instead of ts or anyone else that was a no poster at the time. Yet you chose Seanzie. Why not TS the unknown quantity?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:13 pm
The advantage of a LoRab chop is that a non-voter is removed from the game -- if mafia, sure great, if town, well -- can't have town non-voters in 10 vs. 4. She'd probably turn up eventually granted, albeit way behind.
Same applied to Seanzie, so folks will have to wrestle with that. I don't care about activity level either way (high or low, a wolf is a wolf).
negative, arguments used to not chop me by you were that I would come back and post
Seanzie would have done the same yet he was the chop instead of ts or anyone else that was a no poster at the time. Yet you chose Seanzie. Why not TS the unknown quantity?
Seanzie was specifically very slow to post as mafia in Don't Starve. I could have rolled the dice though. At the time a zero poster was a zero poster.
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robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:17 pm
scotty probs a wolf, does it mean bad news for lorab?
Yes it $%#!ing does holy $%#!.
give me a sentence why
Holy $%#! man, I'm the only $%#!ing entire person in this entire playerlist whos $%#!ing a constructed a coherent worldview and you've straight up igbored because Ive already mentioned Scotty/LoRab interactions more than once.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:18 pm
I think Michelle is the more "logical" vote, but a vibe is a vibe. Bereft is more confident about this than anyone else about either wagon. So.
Yeah, I'd like you to switch. I'm back to being fairly confident Michelle is town.
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:17 pm
scotty probs a wolf, does it mean bad news for lorab?
Yes it $%#!ing does holy $%#!.
give me a sentence why
Holy $%#! man, I'm the only $%#!ing entire person in this entire playerlist whos $%#!ing a constructed a coherent worldview and you've straight up igbored because Ive already mentioned Scotty/LoRab interactions more than once.
i've been blindsheeping jjj
i know you're town etc etc
bring up the posts so i can read quickly, thank you
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