Nat'l Lampoon's Christmas Vacation - Game End

[tutuu]

we've all felt like shid

been treated like shid

all you motherfuckers

that wanna step up

I hope you know I'm like a chainsaw

excellent



i expect u and rondo to solve the game overnight. specifically if its the hard world (pyxxy town)

[MacDougall]

If none of @Porscha @MacDougall or @leetic come back to move their vote to pyxxy from Rondo, then that's the Wolf team, never rescind.

Ah yes at 1.17am I transformed into a wolf as a result of your incredible powers of manifestation.

[MacDougall]

im gonna log off, take a break, and the come back to answer / give reads on the players you mentioned that are townreading you @MacDougall <3

Thanks for doing this btw. Appreciated.

[DarlingMonroe]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

[tutuu]

even in the easy world (pyxxy dm mafia) - the third wolf isnt immediately obvious to me. so theres arguable difficulty there too

[Scotty]

Scotty... Are you caught up with the town cleared people?

Honestly? No. I had bits and pieces and checked out most of the day because I couldn’t be bothered.

Who is town cleared?

[DarlingMonroe]

even in the easy world (pyxxy dm mafia) - the third wolf isnt immediately obvious to me. so theres arguable difficulty there too

youre already off one read with having me in that pool so

[tutuu]

would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie?

yes because their wincon is to kill town

are u arguing u are town because you would be too wolfy to be a wolf if pyxxy is wolf?

[DarlingMonroe]

im gonna log off, take a break, and the come back to answer / give reads on the players you mentioned that are townreading you @MacDougall <3

Thanks for doing this btw. Appreciated.

the game isnt over yet, sir

[Scotty]

Serhal
3
21%
Voters: pyxxy, Long Con, DarlingMonroe

This bunch I don’t blame for going after Serhal, except for the fact that he is the LHF of this operation, and so it’s more scummy than not.

If pyxxy is indeed a town PR, ok cool. That should self resolve…
LC is a soggy, floppy chalupa.
DM is ??? And needs sorting.

would you have me voted you instead? or rondo perhaps? or not voted at all?

I think rondo is a GREAT vote.

Why WOULDN’T you vote rondo?

Long Con and Robyn, I guess

which ultimately i dont regret not voting rondo

though it does suck to lose serhal :/

This didn’t answer my question

[tutuu]

Scotty... Are you caught up with the town cleared people?

Honestly? No. I had bits and pieces and checked out most of the day because I couldn’t be bothered.

Who is town cleared?

lc claimed green peek on rondo

[DarlingMonroe]

would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie?

yes because their wincon is to kill town

are u arguing u are town because you would be too wolfy to be a wolf if pyxxy is wolf?

yeah, if i was wolf with pyxxy i wouldve never done what i did; i just have liked pyxxy this game, and he hasnt pinged me, so like i dont feel comfortable enough to town or scum read him yet; out of pyxxy, scotty, rondo, serhal, pyxxy is the one that gave me least wolf vibes

[MacDougall]

we've all felt like shid

been treated like shid

all you motherfuckers

that wanna step up

I hope you know I'm like a chainsaw

excellent



i expect u and rondo to solve the game overnight. specifically if its the hard world (pyxxy town)

I'm just quoting Limp Bizkit cuz the catch up was so frustrating.

I tried haaaard to work with Rondo. Rondo should be able to tell that I am town simply because of how generous towards him I was being despite his intentional trolling.

Yet LC is acting like I'm outed mafia cuz I was voting Rondo because he has the benefit of mechanical surety of Rondo's alignment.

I think a cursory analysis of my interactions with Rondo should blatantly reveal that I was genuinely and comprehensively confused by his entire game in a way that lacks TMI.

I think the mafia is Leetic, DarlingMonroe and Pyxxy or something like that.

[DarlingMonroe]

Serhal
3
21%
Voters: pyxxy, Long Con, DarlingMonroe

This bunch I don’t blame for going after Serhal, except for the fact that he is the LHF of this operation, and so it’s more scummy than not.

If pyxxy is indeed a town PR, ok cool. That should self resolve…
LC is a soggy, floppy chalupa.
DM is ??? And needs sorting.

would you have me voted you instead? or rondo perhaps? or not voted at all?

I think rondo is a GREAT vote.

Why WOULDN’T you vote rondo?

Long Con and Robyn, I guess

which ultimately i dont regret not voting rondo

though it does suck to lose serhal :/

This didn’t answer my question

because long con and robyn said rondo is town and serhal had been extremely inactive and the only read he provided at the end was to vote you... whats missing to click?

[Scotty]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

addendum: this might change pending rondo's verdict of scotty. to be clear im asking for mech verdict, social read is appreciated but not concrete for me

Didn’t read- why was i the target that we felt needed to check for clear? Because yall knew I couldn’t fight back?

[tutuu]

would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie?

yes because their wincon is to kill town

are u arguing u are town because you would be too wolfy to be a wolf if pyxxy is wolf?

yeah, if i was wolf with pyxxy i wouldve never done what i did; i just have liked pyxxy this game, and he hasnt pinged me, so like i dont feel comfortable enough to town or scum read him yet; out of pyxxy, scotty, rondo, serhal, pyxxy is the one that gave me least wolf vibes

very well. who u think is mafia now? i feel like the number of possible suspects is quite low now after serhal flip and lc peek on rondo that we can realistically start building whole teams and not just individual scumreads

[MacDougall]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

[tutuu]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

addendum: this might change pending rondo's verdict of scotty. to be clear im asking for mech verdict, social read is appreciated but not concrete for me

Didn’t read- why was i the target that we felt needed to check for clear? Because yall knew I couldn’t fight back?

i dunno. i wasnt here either. but it doesnt matter who it would have been - anyone would have been good. in theory. assuming rondo's role works the way we think it does

[MacDougall]

I don't know how I'm supposed to get my vote off of someone who waits until I'm sound asleep to claim their role. @Long Con old friend please teach me this skill.

[Scotty]

Serhal
3
21%
Voters: pyxxy, Long Con, DarlingMonroe

This bunch I don’t blame for going after Serhal, except for the fact that he is the LHF of this operation, and so it’s more scummy than not.

If pyxxy is indeed a town PR, ok cool. That should self resolve…
LC is a soggy, floppy chalupa.
DM is ??? And needs sorting.

would you have me voted you instead? or rondo perhaps? or not voted at all?

I think rondo is a GREAT vote.

Why WOULDN’T you vote rondo?

Long Con and Robyn, I guess

which ultimately i dont regret not voting rondo

though it does suck to lose serhal :/

This didn’t answer my question

because long con and robyn said rondo is town and serhal had been extremely inactive and the only read he provided at the end was to vote you... whats missing to click?

Ah gotcha. Didn’t understand that ‘why not vote rondo’ answered with names of people. But that makes more sense.

I think I’m trying to be an investigator in this matter without knowing any of the details. Doubt I’ll read back either

[tutuu]

I think the mafia is Leetic, DarlingMonroe and Pyxxy or something like that.

leetic. hm. i'll let that marinate

[DarlingMonroe]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

there are wolves that do that and i think its bad gameplay

[MacDougall]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

there are wolves that do that and i think its bad gameplay

you think wolves should not save partners?

[DarlingMonroe]

would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie?

yes because their wincon is to kill town

are u arguing u are town because you would be too wolfy to be a wolf if pyxxy is wolf?

yeah, if i was wolf with pyxxy i wouldve never done what i did; i just have liked pyxxy this game, and he hasnt pinged me, so like i dont feel comfortable enough to town or scum read him yet; out of pyxxy, scotty, rondo, serhal, pyxxy is the one that gave me least wolf vibes

very well. who u think is mafia now? i feel like the number of possible suspects is quite low now after serhal flip and lc peek on rondo that we can realistically start building whole teams and not just individual scumreads

there are like perhaps see 6 potential players i can see being the mafia group of 3 (4?), still trying to pinpoint which are 3 biggest pings post serhal town flip

[DarlingMonroe]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

there are wolves that do that and i think its bad gameplay

you think wolves should not save partners?

i think they should but i would never do it like that

[MacDougall]

I think the mafia is Leetic, DarlingMonroe and Pyxxy or something like that.

leetic. hm. i'll let that marinate

Leetic was like Serhal's only scumread and the way they popped I'm as soon as the flip happened to shit on people after doing nothing to prevent it, and after tunneling me all game for the worst reason I've ever seen.

Serhal's actual stated reason for suspecting Leetic was better than it seemed. Read it.

It was like an ittt read. Leetic is reading the game one dimensionally.

Mac is being lame therefore Mac is mafia.

Can you find a nuanced Leetic take?

[MacDougall]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

there are wolves that do that and i think its bad gameplay

you think wolves should not save partners?

i think they should but i would never do it like that

What did you do that was so egregious if you were partnered? Do you think it was too audacious and rules it out accordingly?

[DarlingMonroe]

I think the mafia is Leetic, DarlingMonroe and Pyxxy or something like that.

leetic. hm. i'll let that marinate

Leetic was like Serhal's only scumread and the way they popped I'm as soon as the flip happened to shit on people after doing nothing to prevent it, and after tunneling me all game for the worst reason I've ever seen.

Serhal's actual stated reason for suspecting Leetic was better than it seemed. Read it.

It was like an ittt read. Leetic is reading the game one dimensionally.

Mac is being lame therefore Mac is mafia.

Can you find a nuanced Leetic take?

serhal voted scotty though

so scotty/leetic w/w is still possible

[MacDougall]

Pyxxy refusing to hard claim is just a wolf claim I think. God save us if they're town.

[MacDougall]

I think the mafia is Leetic, DarlingMonroe and Pyxxy or something like that.

leetic. hm. i'll let that marinate

Leetic was like Serhal's only scumread and the way they popped I'm as soon as the flip happened to shit on people after doing nothing to prevent it, and after tunneling me all game for the worst reason I've ever seen.

Serhal's actual stated reason for suspecting Leetic was better than it seemed. Read it.

It was like an ittt read. Leetic is reading the game one dimensionally.

Mac is being lame therefore Mac is mafia.

Can you find a nuanced Leetic take?

serhal voted scotty though

so scotty/leetic w/w is still possible

Don't really think they were paying much attention to the game and don't think their vote on Scotty amounted to anything but a valiant attempt at self preservation right?

[DarlingMonroe]

my suggestion for tomorrow

chop pyxxy

if mafia -> chop dm

if town -> cry

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

there are wolves that do that and i think its bad gameplay

you think wolves should not save partners?

i think they should but i would never do it like that

What did you do that was so egregious if you were partnered? Do you think it was too audacious and rules it out accordingly?

well there would have been a risk he would have been eliminated on the random tie and if he flipped mafia, i wouldve been linked so idt its worth as a wolf to do that

my bravery came from my ignorance that pyxxy could very well be town for all i know and didnt want him yeeted when i suspected others more

[MacDougall]

I don't think Scotty is mafia, his reaction when he was unsilenced was very townie.

Doubtful his wagon is pure. Rondo has a green check and the other is a dead townie so... doesn't look amazing for Robyn (my top town lol).

Fuckety.

@Scotty @robyn you're kind of a difference check I think?

[Long Con]

I don't know how I'm supposed to get my vote off of someone who waits until I'm sound asleep to claim their role. @Long Con old friend please teach me this skill.

They don't have alarms down undah?

Anyway, I was just frustrated that none of the Rondo voters could bother showing up within six hours of the elimination.

Why isn't tutuu mafia??

[MacDougall]

pyxxy can be mafia and doesnt mean i am, i feel like thats a very constricted view; would a wolf partner be so direct to avoid a partner's tie? it like a reach tutuu, doesnt feel genuine

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

there are wolves that do that and i think its bad gameplay

you think wolves should not save partners?

i think they should but i would never do it like that

What did you do that was so egregious if you were partnered? Do you think it was too audacious and rules it out accordingly?

well there would have been a risk he would have been eliminated on the random tie and if he flipped mafia, i wouldve been linked so idt its worth as a wolf to do that

my bravery came from my ignorance that pyxxy could very well be town for all i know and didnt want him yeeted when i suspected others more

You suspected Serhal more than Pyxxy?

[Long Con]

Doubtful his wagon is pure.

Back up this statement.

[DarlingMonroe]

I think the mafia is Leetic, DarlingMonroe and Pyxxy or something like that.

leetic. hm. i'll let that marinate

Leetic was like Serhal's only scumread and the way they popped I'm as soon as the flip happened to shit on people after doing nothing to prevent it, and after tunneling me all game for the worst reason I've ever seen.

Serhal's actual stated reason for suspecting Leetic was better than it seemed. Read it.

It was like an ittt read. Leetic is reading the game one dimensionally.

Mac is being lame therefore Mac is mafia.

Can you find a nuanced Leetic take?

serhal voted scotty though

so scotty/leetic w/w is still possible

Don't really think they were paying much attention to the game and don't think their vote on Scotty amounted to anything but a valiant attempt at self preservation right?

wouldnt them just vote rondo given to guarantee self preservation? feels like scotty was a genuine scum read alongside his leetic statement

[MacDougall]

I don't know how I'm supposed to get my vote off of someone who waits until I'm sound asleep to claim their role. @Long Con old friend please teach me this skill.

They don't have alarms down undah?

Anyway, I was just frustrated that none of the Rondo voters could bother showing up within six hours of the elimination.

Why isn't tutuu mafia??

My first reason would be that their read on why they townread me was the most nuanced of any of them. My second reason is that their wim/joy towards this game has felt genuine and mirrored how I've felt about it.

[Long Con]

Leetic showing up JUST after the yeet was very suspicious to me, as was tutuu's absence.

[tutuu]

I think the mafia is Leetic, DarlingMonroe and Pyxxy or something like that.

leetic. hm. i'll let that marinate

Leetic was like Serhal's only scumread and the way they popped I'm as soon as the flip happened to shit on people after doing nothing to prevent it, and after tunneling me all game for the worst reason I've ever seen.

Serhal's actual stated reason for suspecting Leetic was better than it seemed. Read it.

It was like an ittt read. Leetic is reading the game one dimensionally.

Mac is being lame therefore Mac is mafia.

Can you find a nuanced Leetic take?

(i dont have the energy right now but i'm mentally bookmarking this post to come back to later)

also self reminder - take into account what rondo says re: his role and scotty

[Long Con]

I don't know how I'm supposed to get my vote off of someone who waits until I'm sound asleep to claim their role. @Long Con old friend please teach me this skill.

They don't have alarms down undah?

Anyway, I was just frustrated that none of the Rondo voters could bother showing up within six hours of the elimination.

Why isn't tutuu mafia??

My first reason would be that their read on why they townread me was the most nuanced of any of them. My second reason is that their wim/joy towards this game has felt genuine and mirrored how I've felt about it.

So, nothing that resonates, nothing with actual teeth.

[DarlingMonroe]

I don't think Scotty is mafia, his reaction when he was unsilenced was very townie.

Doubtful his wagon is pure. Rondo has a green check and the other is a dead townie so... doesn't look amazing for Robyn (my top town lol).

Fuckety.

@Scotty @robyn you're kind of a difference check I think?

Scotty is one of the best wolves players ive seen here, superb at coming across town like when wolf

its going to be hard for me to so sure about scottys alignment unless confirmed by a na or something

[tutuu]

Leetic showing up JUST after the yeet was very suspicious to me, as was tutuu's absence.

i wasn't enjoying the vibes of the thread so i set a mental (imaginary) alarm clock to come back before eod but i forgot about it

[Long Con]

Leetic showing up JUST after the yeet was very suspicious to me, as was tutuu's absence.

i wasn't enjoying the vibes of the thread so i set a mental (imaginary) alarm clock to come back before eod but i forgot about it

LOL sure, ok let's go with that.

[MacDougall]

Doubtful his wagon is pure.

Back up this statement.

Well what I mean is that if it is pure then he's probably mafia and if he is mafia then it can be. That's just how wagons work most of the time.

We have 3, 3 vote ties. If Scotty is town, his wagon has mafia on it to a probabilistic degree. If it didn't have mafia on it, mafia voted sub-optimally because Scotty was one place they could have voted to avoid voting the green check without having to stack Serhal.

I know that of the Rondo voters at least 1 is town (ya boi).

The Serhal wagon was on a townie. So mafia are probably on that one also.

Rondo had claimed and was green checked, I'd say that the mafia vote pattern is most likely that the mafia got off Rondo onto Scotty/Serhal because they felt compelled not to be voting someone for whom it would be outing to do so after it was apparent they'd read the information.

Tl/Dr check who moved from Rondo to Serhal or (if town) Scotty. There will be mafia in them.

We know the wagons were t/t/?. With the ? being someone who was silenced. We know the ? wagon was at least 66% pure. So ... we have a high percentage difference check between Robyn and Scotty.

If Scotty is mafia, DM is virtually outed as a partner and the last is almost always Pyxxy.

If Scotty is town it'll mean Robyn is probably mafia and the mafia is the hellworld where they're just all pocketing me.

[Long Con]

No one got off Rondo on to someone else.

[MacDougall]

I don't know how I'm supposed to get my vote off of someone who waits until I'm sound asleep to claim their role. @Long Con old friend please teach me this skill.

They don't have alarms down undah?

Anyway, I was just frustrated that none of the Rondo voters could bother showing up within six hours of the elimination.

Why isn't tutuu mafia??

My first reason would be that their read on why they townread me was the most nuanced of any of them. My second reason is that their wim/joy towards this game has felt genuine and mirrored how I've felt about it.

So, nothing that resonates, nothing with actual teeth.

My reasons feel better for townreading Tutuu than most reasons that have been stated to town or scumread people either way. Maybe you should consider that mafia is a game of probability not certainty.

[MacDougall]

No one got off Rondo on to someone else.

That's not true. He ended with 3 voted and had 5 at one point. So at least 2 players did.

[MacDougall]

I don't think Scotty is mafia, his reaction when he was unsilenced was very townie.

Doubtful his wagon is pure. Rondo has a green check and the other is a dead townie so... doesn't look amazing for Robyn (my top town lol).

Fuckety.

@Scotty @robyn you're kind of a difference check I think?

Scotty is one of the best wolves players ive seen here, superb at coming across town like when wolf

its going to be hard for me to so sure about scottys alignment unless confirmed by a na or something

Do you actually have reason to suspect him or only reason to dismiss townreading him?

[Long Con]

No one got off Rondo on to someone else.

That's not true. He ended with 3 voted and had 5 at one point. So at least 2 players did.

That was before he was green-checked.

[MacDougall]

No one got off Rondo on to someone else.

That's not true. He ended with 3 voted and had 5 at one point. So at least 2 players did.

That was before he was green-checked.

Was it before he claimed?

Also just to confirm you're saying you outed your check when he had 3 votes still, not 5?