The Flash: Battle for the Gem Cities (Day 12)

[Long Con]

I'm disappointed you're not really helping the civvies but are trying make it look that way, LC.

I have no idea how you feel. I only know what you're portraying.

Rabbit, let me lay it out for you: you are the one who's not helping the Civvies right now. If you look at all my posts with the idea they're all fake, then you'll read them as all fake.

[rabbit8]

I'm disappointed you're not really helping the civvies but are trying make it look that way, LC.

I have no idea how you feel. I only know what you're portraying.

Rabbit, let me lay it out for you: you are the one who's not helping the Civvies right now. If you look at all my posts with the idea they're all fake, then you'll read them as all fake.

Bullz tried to feed this crap to me last game. If your looking at me your not helping find baddies, if you vote for me your not voting for a baddie, blah blah.

Like the way you turn around my argument about you trying to appear a indy/civve to make me look bad like I'm not helping while you're doing everything in the world to help, like we can't tell your overcompensating in your helpfullness (while having voted for someone for that exact reason). Well done. You're good with words dude.

[Turnip Head]

Rabbit vs. LC feels like civ vs. civ to me. Where are you looking for this lynch, LC?

[Turnip Head]

All things being equal, I would vote timmer (or Eloh, as the poll shows) again. But it's Day 2. I have more to work with.

What are you working with Epi?

[Epignosis]

All things being equal, I would vote timmer (or Eloh, as the poll shows) again. But it's Day 2. I have more to work with.

What are you working with Epi?

Nah. It would just distract people from talking about me.

[Turnip Head]

All things being equal, I would vote timmer (or Eloh, as the poll shows) again. But it's Day 2. I have more to work with.

What are you working with Epi?

Nah. It would just distract people from talking about me.

[rabbit8]

Rabbit vs. LC feels like civ vs. civ to me. Where are you looking for this lynch, LC?

Maybe you should vote BF?

[Turnip Head]

Rabbit vs. LC feels like civ vs. civ to me. Where are you looking for this lynch, LC?

Maybe you should vote BF?

I feel pretty good about BF. What are you seeing?

[rabbit8]

Rabbit vs. LC feels like civ vs. civ to me. Where are you looking for this lynch, LC?

Maybe you should vote BF?

I feel pretty good about BF. What are you seeing?

He's acting overly civvie.......

[rabbit8]

Hecmust be lynched. He's defiantly bad news.

[Turnip Head]

[timmer]

@FZ, certainly think what you want to think. I mean sure, if I were bad and felt that Eloh had stumbled a bit in her response to Epig and no one had really noticed or paid attention to it, it would make perfect sense to bring it up myself and point it... no, wait, actually it wouldn't?

Maybe I've got a civ role, and did an honest read through of the game, including my own predecessor's posts? You don't think that would make a wee bit more sense?

[Epignosis]

All things being equal, I would vote timmer (or Eloh, as the poll shows) again. But it's Day 2. I have more to work with.

What are you working with Epi?

Nah. It would just distract people from talking about me.

I'm watching TV. I'll be with you later.

[blindfaeth]

Rabbit, you're full of it. How am I acting too civvie? I even adopted the "there's no civvie act" from you last game. Do I need to request that tiara pic from fs again for my new avatar?

Why do you always suspect me and why are you always wrong lol. If you have a case, bring it, but I can't defend against acting civvie. I act how I want and pursue the people I think are bad. Which are bullz, Epi, made, LC and maybe TH.

I like how you didn't respond to my question earlier btw turnip head, it's only making me more certain I'm right

[Turnip Head]

I didn't realize it was a serious question, but I suppose I should have.

My new BTSC with Epignosis is not going well at all because I don't have BTSC with Epignosis, nor have I at any point in the past. I don't suspect Epignosis of being bad, and so I realize everything I say about him is only going to fuel your suspicions of me. But you have the wrong idea, I just don't share your distrust of Epi

[Long Con]

I'm disappointed you're not really helping the civvies but are trying make it look that way, LC.

I have no idea how you feel. I only know what you're portraying.

Rabbit, let me lay it out for you: you are the one who's not helping the Civvies right now. If you look at all my posts with the idea they're all fake, then you'll read them as all fake.

Bullz tried to feed this crap to me last game. If your looking at me your not helping find baddies, if you vote for me your not voting for a baddie, blah blah.

Like the way you turn around my argument about you trying to appear a indy/civve to make me look bad like I'm not helping while you're doing everything in the world to help, like we can't tell your overcompensating in your helpfullness (while having voted for someone for that exact reason). Well done. You're good with words dude.

I appreciate the compliment, but you're doing most of the elaborate word-crafting here. What makes you think I'm trying to make you look bad?

[timmer]

@HOST, can we change the thread title to reflect that it is Day 2, please? Many thanks.

[Turnip Head]

Long Con, in case you missed it:

Rabbit vs. LC feels like civ vs. civ to me. Where are you looking for this lynch, LC?

[blindfaeth]

Th, you seem to be a bundle full of non suspicions. I get that you say you suspect roxy, but she's silenced. And you're looking at ika and soneji, but they are lower posters and also new to our forum and unfamiliar with our customs. I have a hard time believing you can't come up with something more convincing. These three are an easy out for coming up with suspects on day 2.

[Long Con]

I didn't miss it TH, it's Game of Thrones time.

Rabbit vs. LC feels like civ vs. civ to me. Where are you looking for this lynch, LC?

I'm most suspicious of Bass right now.

I agree that options on day one suck most the time. I think it might be worth looking at the people who avoided the two top vote getters. I would almost bet one out of the six are bad. I'm not counting timmer because he wasn't caught up.

This statement gave me a ping, it's casting a broad suspicion across six people while not directly going after any of them. This is the kind of thing that pushes people to follow its lead and make accusations, which Bass could then follow along with if it seems like it could catch on. Also, at 23 posts, he's flying under the radar quite a bit.

[Turnip Head]

Th, you seem to be a bundle full of non suspicions. I get that you say you suspect roxy, but she's silenced. And you're looking at ika and soneji, but they are lower posters and also new to our forum and unfamiliar with our customs. I have a hard time believing you can't come up with something more convincing. These three are an easy out for coming up with suspects on day 2.

Sorry if you feel like it's an easy out, and I'm sorry if you have a hard time believing I don't have better suspicions at this point, I understand my current suspicions suck but it's simply where I'm at right now and I'm not going to make up suspicions just to have them. It's why I'm trying to open up discussions and get others' input. I'm not out here trying to get the two newbies lynched, I'm letting them know that I'm concerned with their activity thus far. What I AM doing is trying to have conversations and discuss suspicions with others.

[Turnip Head]

Sorry LC, I forgot that not everyone watched the first four episodes of Season 5 as soon as they leaked

And you make an interesting point about Bass. I see what you're saying. Cast a wide net and let others reel it in.

[Soneji]

What about you?

With Soneji I didn't like that he voted for Llama without posting about his vote, even though he was here posting at the time.

I am rather unused to this whole voting via poll thing and didn't think much of voting for Llama without saying something in-thread about changing my vote as I had already explained my suspicion on him. It was between two wagons at that point and I had given my thoughts on both Epig and Llama.

[Epignosis]

I am about to make some rather obvious points in a moment, but these are points that people will say I'm using to paint targets on people's backs.

If anyone objects to this, I won't do it. You have eight minutes.

[Turnip Head]

Wait what

[Turnip Head]

...Proceed...

[Epignosis]

Wait what

Are you objecting?

[Turnip Head]

Wait what

Are you objecting?

...Proceed...

[Epignosis]

Wait what

Are you objecting?

...Proceed...

Okay, but I'm doing two things at once.

[Turnip Head]

What about you?

With Soneji I didn't like that he voted for Llama without posting about his vote, even though he was here posting at the time.

I am rather unused to this whole voting via poll thing and didn't think much of voting for Llama without saying something in-thread about changing my vote as I had already explained my suspicion on him. It was between two wagons at that point and I had given my thoughts on both Epig and Llama.

Okay, so what are your thoughts for today?

[timmer]

I am about to make some rather obvious points in a moment, but these are points that people will say I'm using to paint targets on people's backs.

If anyone objects to this, I won't do it. You have eight minutes.

I await the revelations, and yet much more than eight minutes has passed. I am disappoint.

[Epignosis]

I am about to make some rather obvious points in a moment, but these are points that people will say I'm using to paint targets on people's backs.

If anyone objects to this, I won't do it. You have eight minutes.

I await the revelations, and yet much more than eight minutes has passed. I am disappoint.

Dude, cut me some slack today, okay?

[Epignosis]

Sorry timmer. You were being funny. I apologize.

[Epignosis]

thellama73
8
DharmaHelper (3), FZ. (15), DFaraday (19), Bullzeye (22), Turnip Head (23), Soneji (24), Black Rock (25), Long Con (26) 31%

These voters are not detectives. The detectives elected to jail DF. So:

DH
FZ
Bullz
TH
Soneji
BR
LC

That's seven names.

Epignosis
7
Metalmarsh89 (1), blindfaeth (5), S~V~S (6), birdwithteeth11 (12), fingersplints (16), Roxy (18), Bass_the_Clever (20) 27%

Two of these people are highly likely to be detectives.

fingersplints died, so she could have be one of them.

++++

I'll post this now. I have more to go through.

[Epignosis]

I'll post more tomorrow.

[Turnip Head]

I reached the same conclusions in about 10 seconds, lol. This is assuming the detectives have BTSC, which is still a big assumption at this stage IMO. It would make sense thematically that they have BTSC, but I don't see how it's supported by what we know of the roles.

[Turnip Head]

I'll post more tomorrow.

I don't understand why you gave everyone 8 minutes to object when you don't even plan to talk about everything right now, but okay.

[Long Con]

I reached the same conclusions in about 10 seconds, lol. This is assuming the detectives have BTSC, which is still a big assumption at this stage IMO. It would make sense thematically that they have BTSC, but I don't see how it's supported by what we know of the roles.

Not that I think you didn't see this before, but I do believe that Epig is right, because of this role solution:

Magenta – She is a former love interest of Wally West and has magnetic abilities. She can prevent one lynch during the game. If she does, she will gain BTSC with the Detectives.

I'm pretty confident in that solution, so I would say it's supported by what we know of the roles.

Epig's observations about the Day 1 lynch look sensible to me. Not much of a revelation, and I don't see the benefit of trying to nail down who the remaining Detectives are, but I'd say he's probably right.

[Turnip Head]

Good point.

[Turnip Head]

My question is why Epi thought it was so important to point that out.

[DharmaHelper]

Beating the dead horse here but:

This weekend hit me pretty rough, and I'm not as caught up/active as I'd like to be. I'm working on reading and re-reading in order to gather my thoughts and I hope to be 100% by at least Monday evening.

[Marmot]

If I'm wrong, someone tell me.

Bullzeye had no interest in lynching Epignosis Day 1. Bullzeye would not offer reads last night. But now Bullzeye wants to look at the llama voters and is emphasizing now that he wants to lynch Epignosis for events that happened Day 1.

This smells to me like a baddie recruiter who failed to recruit Epignosis.

[Marmot]

What about you?

I was intending to look into Roxy more today, but I'm putting that on the backburner since she's silenced. The other two on my watch list were Ika and Soneji. I feel ika has gone out of his way to appear involved in the game without ever volunteering any of his player reads, which makes me suspicious. With Soneji I didn't like that he voted for Llama without posting about his vote, even though he was here posting at the time.

I was just curious why you hadn't voted Epi yet since you voted for him early on Day 1, citing the fact that votes are changeable.

An excellent point.

But I see that SVS addressed it soon after.

TH, I want to take a more circumspect approach today. Plus there is more than one baddie. I was thinking to play more in the vote/unvote style of our newer members, but I never got around to unvoting, lol. I think i am too "focus-y" with suspicions to do well with that style.

@Timmer~ you have played with me before, right ? That is generally how I do it. I see it, I believe it, I don't turn back. I have tried to change that about my game, but it is just my personality, not really a tactic, imo. It's what I do. Full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. It has gotten me in trouble irl as well as in Mafia games.

You told me you don't know what you're doing.

Rabbit vs. LC feels like civ vs. civ to me. Where are you looking for this lynch, LC?

Are you trying to quash discussion?

@HOST, can we change the thread title to reflect that it is Day 2, please? Many thanks.

Agreed.



Now that I'm caught up, I need to go finish an exam.

[Long Con]

If I'm wrong, someone tell me.

Bullzeye had no interest in lynching Epignosis Day 1. Bullzeye would not offer reads last night. But now Bullzeye wants to look at the llama voters and is emphasizing now that he wants to lynch Epignosis for events that happened Day 1.

This smells to me like a baddie recruiter who failed to recruit Epignosis.

Interesting analysis. I predict that Bullz will tell you you're wrong.

I'd like to see more info on this theory, like some quotes to supplement the claims. I could go through now and search, but it's late and I don't want to.

[Marmot]

If I'm wrong, someone tell me.

Bullzeye had no interest in lynching Epignosis Day 1. Bullzeye would not offer reads last night. But now Bullzeye wants to look at the llama voters and is emphasizing now that he wants to lynch Epignosis for events that happened Day 1.

This smells to me like a baddie recruiter who failed to recruit Epignosis.

Interesting analysis. I predict that Bullz will tell you you're wrong.

I'd like to see more info on this theory, like some quotes to supplement the claims. I could go through now and search, but it's late and I don't want to.

I'd love to, but I really do have finish up a take-home exam I have due tomorrow. I told myself I wasn't going to mafia at all tonight, but here I am.

I just recalled that the lynch deadline was pushed back from the Day 1 lynch time (which ended at 10:30 AM for me). I'll be around tomorrow afternoon to follow up.

[Sophie]

LC vs rabbit seems too....rogger rabbit.
rabbit is acting weird, though. Upon reading him go against LC, he seemed like he was under some kind of curse or kinda faking something, and this is coming from someone who usually thinks rabbit is a civvie. Yeah, i pretty much always thinks he is civvie, even if he is baddie. but i dont know, something seemed off in his posts.

but this is just an impression after a very fast read of the last 3 pages. beare with me, but ive been super busy today (election day here in BA) and my brother is coming to visit me tomorrow. add that to work and university and boyfriend and you got a picture. i will be reading and contributing as much as i can, but this is not gonna be a week with much free time for me. at least until next monday, cause first my brother comes, then my grandma turns 90 and we both travel to our natal city, so all in all is an insane week.

i will do my best to remain updated.

having said so, gotta go to sleep now, its super late, but will be back tomorrow to read and reread players that caught my attention. mainly epi and bullz, but also roxy, rabbit, lc and timmer. im not saying im necesarily suspicion of all of them, but some things said in the last pages caught my attention and i need to reread, go back, read again, and make my conclusions.

now to sleep its late

[Bullzeye]

If I'm wrong, someone tell me.

Bullzeye had no interest in lynching Epignosis Day 1. Bullzeye would not offer reads last night. But now Bullzeye wants to look at the llama voters and is emphasizing now that he wants to lynch Epignosis for events that happened Day 1.

This smells to me like a baddie recruiter who failed to recruit Epignosis.

LC must be psychic because here I am to tell you how blatantly wrong you are. I'm pretty sure I did mention Epi as someone I might have voted for once or twice during the day, but I could be wrong. I was pretty focused on shutting down Llama's ridiculous case tbf. In the night I definitely mentioned that I might have voted Epi. It's not that I had no interest, I just had other interests instead. I never once defended him or argued he shouldn't be lynched during the day 1 discussion. I might actually have voted for him if BF hadn't encouraged me to vote Llama.

Saying I want to look at Llama voters deliberately misrepresents my intentions. What I actually said was I wanted to look within the context of Epi's exaggeration of the case against Llama. If anyone genuinely did vote for him because of the day 0 stuff, I would find that suspicious. On day one however, there were good reasons to vote for him and I'm not surprised he got lynched.

Tell me, do you think I suck at this game? Or do you just think I'm stupid? Because those are the only two reasons I can think of for why I, if I were the recruiter, would begin to go after someone I'd confirmed wasn't bad. I'd gain nothing from doing that except making myself look worse. Knowing someone isn't bad and knowing someone is a particular role are different things, and since I still wouldn't know who Epi was I'd just leave him alone since he's probably going to get lynched with or without my help at some point.

It's also pretty obvious why I didn't offer anything last night. It has nothing to do with my role or alignment. I spelled it out pretty clearly.

[FZ.]

I know you do I'm just afraid that you'll disappear and then I won't get to enjoy your pearls of wisdom
Actually, Timmer really bothers me. Admittedly, there are 2 reasons for this:
1. I have a feeling Epig somehow found out Eloh is really bad, and maybe now is backing off because he feels bad for Timmer...but I could be wrong
2. Since he started playing, I feel like he's been saying all the "right" things. I can't really back it up with a case, but it's a feeling. Also, the fact that Eloh really did answer in a weird way when she was still playing, and I also feel like Timmer knows it and was trying to get himself out of it in a very smart way.

I doubt Epi would back off Timmer just because he feels bad :P

I want to be clear on this. I did not find out Eloh was bad, and I don't feel bad for timmer. Knowing her reason for signing up, I gauged her reaction to determine if she had BTSC. I determined that she did not (she all but confirmed this), and did the math. Good reason to vote for her Day 1, my ulterior motive notwithstanding.

All things being equal, I would vote timmer (or Eloh, as the poll shows) again. But it's Day 2. I have more to work with.

Okay. You cleared it.

What do you think of TImmer based on what he said since he started playing? Also, he's obviously trying to claim that he is an old rough. Do you think he's lying?

In addition, you say you have more to work with, but looking through your posts since this one, I didn't see you come up with an alternative suspect. Is there someone you think of voting for? If so, why?

[FZ.]

@FZ, certainly think what you want to think. I mean sure, if I were bad and felt that Eloh had stumbled a bit in her response to Epig and no one had really noticed or paid attention to it, it would make perfect sense to bring it up myself and point it... no, wait, actually it wouldn't?

Maybe I've got a civ role, and did an honest read through of the game, including my own predecessor's posts? You don't think that would make a wee bit more sense?

First, If you really caught up like you claim, you would have seen that a few people said Eloh's reply was fishy (TH and I come to mind as an example of those people), so claiming no one paid attention to it, would be either a lie or negligence.
Second, it obviously did make sense to bring it up yourself because other than me, I see no one really looking at you as a suspect (maybe Sophie, considering her last post). Like I said, I think it was a tactic to make you look good, and it seems like it did pay off.

[S~V~S]

@FZ, certainly think what you want to think. I mean sure, if I were bad and felt that Eloh had stumbled a bit in her response to Epig and no one had really noticed or paid attention to it, it would make perfect sense to bring it up myself and point it... no, wait, actually it wouldn't?

Maybe I've got a civ role, and did an honest read through of the game, including my own predecessor's posts? You don't think that would make a wee bit more sense?

First, If you really caught up like you claim, you would have seen that a few people said Eloh's reply was fishy (TH and I come to mind as an example of those people), so claiming no one paid attention to it, would be either a lie or negligence.
Second, it obviously did make sense to bring it up yourself because other than me, I see no one really looking at you as a suspect (maybe Sophie, considering her last post). Like I said, I think it was a tactic to make you look good, and it seems like it did pay off.

Yeah, I recall when TH was asked why he would bring it up himself, my first thought was, "Well, just so people would say things just like that!"

After the intensity (for me at least) of the last lynch, I decided to take a step back today and plan to consider all cases, not just my own. I may still vote for Epi, but we'll see. I am caught up to current events, and hope to do some specific rereading today.

I am looking at Epi, LC & maybe sorta Timmer. That is where I want to reread. I would liken Timmer more to Bullz, really, than anyone. Bad or good. He can get a bit of an intense edge in a very similar way, but overall he is level & logical. My feelings on LC are hard to quantify, he is saying things that make me distrust him, but does not have that hearty, faux cheery demeanor I associate with bad LC. So it could just be paranoia.

Also, I know Soneji is new to our ways & polls. But where he plays, unvoting is the norm. So not sure why he would think it was OK to not so something of the sort here. At least announce his intentions.

Even I figured none of the Detectives voted for Llama, but the other part of Epis post was something I had not considered.

I kinda have the feels that BF/Bullz can be civ/civ. I am not seeing anything alarming from BF, and Bullz seems pretty sincere. Having just seen baddie rage from him in HSK, this looks different to me, this feels more indignant. Less angry. More civ. Like everything else, God knows I could be wrong