Biblical Mafia [ENDGAME]

[NurseWilgy]

I think the votes for Samson are lame. I agree that it's the easiest scapegoat. A baddie would have to be a complete idiot to just vote like that and not explain it, and then go and say he doesn't think the one he voted for is bad. And no, this is not WIFOM because it's a stupid WIFOM, just look at the votes he's getting.

I'm probably going to pick one of Samsons' voters. I still need to read back a little

I agree with this. I will be surprised if Samson flips civ.

[Snapshot]

Voted Jephthah, because that's who I think is actually bad.

I toyed with a vote for Cain, because when reading the thread it felt a little like the Samson votes might be coming in to take heat off Cain. But the timing of the votes doesn't really bear that out on closer analysis. Still, I'll keep a closer eye on that now.

I tend to think the votes for Samson lack depth - it's the easy vote, not the one that came with thoughtful analysis. It felt like a day one where there were an awful lot of people who kept themselves completely out of trying to do any kind of thinking or discussing of candidates, so I think I'll have to go back and do a reread of the day and see who I think have just taken the easy way out.

[Grand Scheme]

Something's come up that is going to take me away sooner than I thought, so I'm voting now. Some thoughts: Still not sold on Paul, Absalam (sp?) pinged me slightly, and I don't like the Cain-Train one bit. Voting Paul.

[NurseWilgy]

I think the votes for Samson are lame. I agree that it's the easiest scapegoat. A baddie would have to be a complete idiot to just vote like that and not explain it, and then go and say he doesn't think the one he voted for is bad. And no, this is not WIFOM because it's a stupid WIFOM, just look at the votes he's getting.

I'm probably going to pick one of Samsons' voters. I still need to read back a little

I agree with this. I will be surprised if Samson flips civ.

I mean I will be surprised if Samson DOESN'T flip civ. Derp.

[Ned Flanders]

Not crazy about the Samson wagon. I will be voting for Cain, I did not like his reaction to taking votes.

[Phoebe Buffay]

Meh, both players with most votes don't seem suspicious of me. I think I'm going to vote for Maria Magdalena. I agreed with Jonah when he said her post was suspicious, even though I could also see it as him trying to find something easy to go after. Still, he's one of those who made most sense to me the past day, and Maria Magdalena looks like someone who's also trying to lay low. My vote is going there

[Phoebe Buffay]

Should be Mary Magdalene of course

[Joe Who?]

Well, I was all for voting Samson earlier with his responses and poorly explained vote but now I'm thinking mafia wouldn't put themselves out there like that. Or he just doesn't give a shit, which I both dislike and admire in a strange way. Uzziah was next on my list for weird behavior. I'm doing this via phone in a hot car before my commute but I can explain better later when I'm at a computer. Voting Uzziah.

[Prisoner 509378]

Not going to lie, the number of people pulling the "aw shucks, trying is too hard for Day 1- randoms! " irks me. Vote spreading is to be expected but so is some level of participation. I've got my eye on all of you.

In the interest of keeping things interesting, I'm going to vote for Cain. Don't try to play five games at once and think it's okay to give us sass about why you're ignoring one of them. You're probably a civvie but oh well. So it Samson I bet. Nice bandwagon set up there btw.

[Long Con]

Whhops, I accidentally voted in this poll. I'm not playing this game. Please disregard my Uzziah vote, and ignore me altogether. I thought I was in Flash and it was a weird Night Poll.

[Young Lady]

lol

[Prisoner 509378]

Whhops, I accidentally voted in this poll. I'm not playing this game. Please disregard my Uzziah vote, and ignore me altogether. I thought I was in Flash and it was a weird Night Poll.

Oh, it's a weird poll alright.

[Prisoner 509378]

It is finished.

[Gunther]

Dang, missed it.

[Ben Linus]

Not going to lie, the number of people pulling the "aw shucks, trying is too hard for Day 1- randoms! " irks me. Vote spreading is to be expected but so is some level of participation. I've got my eye on all of you.

In the interest of keeping things interesting, I'm going to vote for Cain. Don't try to play five games at once and think it's okay to give us sass about why you're ignoring one of them. You're probably a civvie but oh well. So it Samson I bet. Nice bandwagon set up there btw.

Boo hoo?

Way to vote for someone you think may be a civvie.

[dodo]

I think if Rachel had actually considered a vote for me she would have noticed and mentioned it.

Or I don't agonize at looking at the poll constantly?
I decided to vote Rebecca. I voted for Rebecca.

I am not going to have the time to properly catch up. I decided to look at the players who have gotten votes so far, and those who have voted already.

I get a fairly solid read from Absalom, but I do not like Cain. I get no sense of civvieness in his few posts, and I think he misconstrued Absalom's position.

It is all I have the time for, so voting Cain. I promise to be more active soon.

This makes no sense Deborah, given that you were the first to vote for Cain.

I think we should start voting Deborah who clearly got caught up by her BTSC mates and changed mindsets midway through her post.

As usual, the Syndicate votes for oddities instead of baddies.

Carry on.

Exactly my brother this is so typical. People vote for what they do not understand. That is not the ways of our Lord

Isn't it, though? I mean, he literally says that "heathens" (people who do not conform to his will) are hellbound. So....?




Anyway, Deborah is pretty bad tbh


Also, looks like Balaam likes voting for civs.

[Larry David]

In the interest of keeping things interesting, I'm going to vote for Cain. Don't try to play five games at once and think it's okay to give us sass about why you're ignoring one of them. You're probably a civvie but oh well. So it Samson I bet. Nice bandwagon set up there btw.

I REALLY don't like this post.

[Epignosis]

Who is wicked among you?

Poll ended at Mon May 04, 2015 3:57 pm

Absalom
2
Cain (13), Malchus (19)
6%

Balaam
0
No votes

Barnabas
1
Stephen (9)
3%

Bathsheba
0
No votes

Belshazzar
0
No votes

Cain
5
Deborah (14), Absalom (15), Uzziah (25), Ruth (28), Balaam (32)
15%

Deborah
0
No votes

Esther
0
No votes

Gideon
1
Hagar (29)
3%

Hagar
0
No votes

Isaac
0
No votes

Jacob
0
No votes

Jephthah
2
Rebecca (18), Lot (26)
6%

Jonah
0
No votes

Jonathan
0
No votes

Judah
0
No votes

Lot
1
Gideon (5)
3%

Malchus
0
No votes

Mary Magdalene
2
Jonah (22), Jephthah (30)
6%

Mordecai
0
No votes

Nicodemus
0
No votes

Paul
2
Martha (8), Nicodemus (27)
6%

Pilate
0
No votes

Rachel
0
No votes

Rebecca
1
Rachel (7)
3%

Ruth
0
No votes

Samson
7
Mordecai (11), Mary Magdalene (12), Isaac (16), Jacob (17), Jonathan (20), Belshazzar (23), Samuel (24)
21%

Samuel
2
Paul (1), Samson (4)
6%

Stephen
0
No votes

Uzziah
4
Pilate (6), Job (10), Rahab (31), Long Con (33)
12%

Could it be...SATAN? (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (2), MovingPictures07 (3), Metalmarsh89 (21)
9%


Total votes : 33

[Saito]

You guys need t p learn to read. I said I was going to look at both those who had votes AND THOSE WHO HAD VOTED. Cain was on the list and seemed scummiest.

[Epignosis]

7 When the servant of the Lord spake unto the people of Sin-d’kaht all the things the Lord bade him to utter, the people were sore afraid. And they began to quarrel. 8 While they quarreled, a certain man named Samson accused Samuel of adultery, that Samuel had bedded many female-identified socks (socks is the Sin-d’kaht word for foreigners). 9 When several witnesses came forth declaring that Samuel had not slept with any socks, Samson tore his hair and threw himself to the ground, confessing that he did not truly believe that Samuel was guilty of this sin. 10 The people turned their faces against Samson. “If you did not believe Samuel was evil, wherefore did you bear false witness against him?” 11 And verily did they take him to the city gates and stone him. 12 When they had done this, a traveler from Israel passed by and saw what they had done. 13 “This is a wicked generation indeed, for I know this man you call Samson. In Israel, he is called James, the Son of Alphaeus.” 14 At this, the people returned to their homes, fearful of what calamity may await them during the Night.

[Young Lady]

Forgive me, Samson. Requiescat in pace.

[NurseWilgy]

RIP Samson. Sorry to see you go.

[Lunatella]

You guys need t p learn to read. I said I was going to look at both those who had votes AND THOSE WHO HAD VOTED. Cain was on the list and seemed scummiest.

Yes but how was spreading the vote further helping?

RIP Samson.

side note, I am really enjoying the host posts, very well done.

[Lunatella]

Btw, just because no one has mentioned it yet, I wanted to make sure people are aware of the possibility of mass getting recruited, since he betrayed Jesus and all. His role has an additional secrets section.

[Lunatella]

Judas, not mass

[2 Stupid Dogs]

RIP Samson, I misjudged you.

[Larry David]

Damnit. I hate being one of the guys that is part of a mislynch. It makes me feel like an idiot.

Sorry Samson.

[Snapshot]

RIP Samson.

I don't have a lot more to say on that front. I don't blame people for voting for him - I think Samson's actions sort of brought it on himself. But on the other hand I think he was an easy vote and I definitely will be looking at his voters tomorrow to see which of them seemed to be simply taking the easy way out.

[Rachel Green]

I am sorry I missed the first vote. I have been extraordinarily busy today. I will try to be ore involved.

[dodo]

I am not going to have the time to properly catch up. I decided to look at the players who have gotten votes so far, and those who have voted already.

I get a fairly solid read from Absalom, but I do not like Cain. I get no sense of civvieness in his few posts, and I think he misconstrued Absalom's position.

It is all I have the time for, so voting Cain. I promise to be more active soon.

You just happened to pick the most recent event Deborah?

[Epignosis]

(not to mention, he sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering.)

29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon. 30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31 then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands. 33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back. 36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. 37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. 38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, 40 that the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

++++

I do not believe Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering. That doesn't make sense, for three reasons:

1. Human sacrifice was prohibited among the Hebrews under the Mosaic covenant. Granted, the Israelites did plenty of evil things during this period, but that one was universally frowned upon among them. Jephthah was remembered as a conqueror and hero, so it would seem strange that a man who knew the rules would choose to burn his only daughter knowing such a thing would not please God.

2. E.W. Bullinger points out that the word often translated "and" in verse 31 ("whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.") could reasonably be translated "or." Prior to that verse is this one: "Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon." The Spirit of the Lord led Jephthah to swear burning his daughter as an offering to the Lord? Nah.

3. Notice that the lament from the daughter is not that her skin is about to be extra crispy, but that she will never know a man. Her virginity was bewailed, not her life. If you were about to die a horrible death, would your first instinct be to mourn the fact that you've never had sex? If so, congratulations, you will enjoy the next American Pie film. The text explicitly tells us that the vow meant that "she knew no man." If she's a human torch, that much could be assumed, right?

No, Jephthah's anguish is spelled out in verse 34: He has no grandchildren. Now he shall surely have none. In the patriarchal mindset of the time, Jephthah's daughter belongs to God, and therefore cannot belong to a husband. That is why he is pissed (and I've read a couple of articles that claim that the cultural clues indicate that Jephthah's daughter was a total brat who knew her father vowed this and wanted to be a bitch. I don't know if I agree on that point, but it was interesting reading all the same).

[Julinook]

I bear no grudge against Paul at the moment, but the ruthless, unfeeling player in me thinks the best way to deal with an aggressive fisher like Paul is to put him to the test. Let's take him up on his three suspects and lynch one of them. He seems fairly confident that they are bad (though he threw up a smoke screen about not being 100% on anything). We can always call his bluff. If we lynch one of his top three and they're not bad, either Paul will cool it with the gunslinger rhetoric or the rest of us will know to take his words with a grain of salt.

What else do we really have to go on?

Hoooooo boy does this post raise some flags for me. it sounds like you know paul's 3 suspects aren't heathens so youre gonna help him lynch one so you can discredit his gut later.

For better or worse, I am an empirical observer. I don't care about pings and feelings. Nor do engage in "forcing it" as Paul has done. I simply wait for people to expose themselves to me. This occurs through patterns in voting, process of elimination, and patterns of defensive and supportive behavior in the thread. If I survive past Night 3, I'll let you know what I've come up with.

Cool sooo you're going to observe for the first three lynches and let everybody else do the hard work.. then join the fray once you've collected a bunch of ammunition on everybody
Got it
Whales love this tactic because if we don't find a heathen early they can run the show and turn on the Lord's disciples for the mistakes they've made
In a sock game I have no reason to trust that this is really how you play and I hope you don't do it. Play the game from the start.

I'm rooting for the scum.

hi Vompatti *waves*

Oh wow, this is really hard. I'm not used to the avatars or names and I tried a quick catch up but my eyes are bleeding. It's hard to remember who posted what. I think I missed Samsons reasoning for his vote so I guess I'll start there.

I am also voting for Samuel.

There are actually many female-identified socks in this game.

I guess I didn't miss it, it seems to not exist. Samson can you please explain why? Right now it just looks like you are coat-tailing.

Props for finding the easiest thing in the thread to question. You said this is where you were gonna start but it looks like its also where you ended. is there nothing else you want to discuss mary?

Not at this time.

[Snapshot]

I am officially sulking for the night period because the host keeps bursting my biblical bubble.

I'm not even going to use the word lot in any creative way in this post!!!! Take that!

[Perd Hapley]

Rip Samson I felt like that pile up lynch train is fishy sweetie hunnies. I'm headed to bed soon but will check with thoughts tomorrow.

[Grand Scheme]

The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. 2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death.

[Joe Who?]

RIP Samson. There's certainly the possibility that one or two mafia was on that lynch, but I also think with such a large game that they easily spread themselves around Day 1. More research tomorrow. Bed now. And for the record, this game makes bible study actually sound almost appealing. Suppose I just need a good teacher

[Nicol Bolas]

Disappointing result.

[Spooky Ghost]

Aw crud.

[Sockys2023]

I have an uncle named James.

[Jack Shephard]

RIP Samson.

[Saito]

You just happened to pick the most recent event Deborah?

I'll tell you what. Prove to me Cain is civvie and I'll admit to being misguided. If you cannot, then why isn't looking at him just as good as anyone else? I seem to have ruffled some feathers by voting him. Interesting, and telling.

[Nicol Bolas]

You just happened to pick the most recent event Deborah?

I'll tell you what. Prove to me Cain is civvie and I'll admit to being misguided. If you cannot, then why isn't looking at him just as good as anyone else? I seem to have ruffled some feathers by voting him. Interesting, and telling.

What does it tell you specifically?

[dodo]

You just happened to pick the most recent event Deborah?

I'll tell you what. Prove to me Cain is civvie and I'll admit to being misguided. If you cannot, then why isn't looking at him just as good as anyone else? I seem to have ruffled some feathers by voting him. Interesting, and telling.

You and several others voted for him.
Please, explain to me, how you, who were choosing from who already had votes (and had voted? that was a lot of people, my dear) came to Cain.

[Perd Hapley]

Okay dears, so I think still going into Day 2 something is going in with Paul and Absalom still. The discussion begins to get heated with everyone versus Paul acting weird and Absalom defends Paul, even to tell us all that we should just simply drop Paul altogether.

I am curious what everyone thinks of everyone else no joke try to force yourself to make an opinion of those who have posted and share it b/c that's now town wins this game

actually how about everyone instead name their top 3 scum atm

1 Samson
2 Lot
3 Nicodemus

i await your thoughts, wonderful people

Okay, the Paul show is getting a little old. I don't think he's bad, but he's drowning out everything else in the thread, make it hard for me to get a read on others.

I wish Cain would come back. He is my biggest suspect at this point. I am not reading Nicodemus as bad, but it seems like Lot said something to make me nervous a while ago. I will have to reread. I have no reason to suspect Samson.

But then they have a fake little truffle real fast to distance from eachother after he says for us to drop it.

Okay, the Paul show is getting a little old. I don't think he's bad, but he's drowning out everything else in the thread, make it hard for me to get a read on others.

then vote me fool

srsly I will leave now

Why would I vote for you if I don't think you are bad? That is not a good strategy.

Afterwords, they joke about missing eachother.

Then Absalom tries to draw attention to me over not posting Hunny in my posts. Which is ridiculous and makes a big deal how I broke character in my post which makes me suspicious for talking normal and calls me out.

More:

If Martha's "hunnies" are sockplay (I didn't get the reference, tbh, I'm not that knowledgeable), then I'm fine with it. Sockplay is fine by me.

Tbh I am sock playing when I speak some of the time, but the point I keep trying to make was Paul was rubbing me the wrong way by not how he was talking, but how was he acting when he posted. I was also fishing for reactions when I mentioned so what if that is how I really talk or not? I think it's interesting some of the responses of wanting me lynched just for how I talk and saying I'm annoying. I think if anyone talks differently than normal, that's the point of a sock game to have mystery to everyone's usernames. I think we should focus on finding Heathens and less on if someone seems like a new player or how they speak, dears.

This pings me more than anything you have said so far. I took your "hunny"-ing as in character role playing (although I did find it annoying) but I wouldn't expect you to back down from it the second a hint of suspicion comes your way. You have taken no votes and no one has said they are seriously considering voting for you. To cave in under such light suspicion seems like a hair trigger to me, and I find that suspect.

Paul calls me as a suspect on his "scum hunting" list and Absalom defends again right after words by posting the above.

Then he tries to start a little distancing of the dear Paul a little just a little this early.

wake me when d2

Why, do you not have a good night power to use?

He is letting us know he has an eye on his dear friend Paul, but the sweetie isn't going to get too distanced just yet.

Then this whole Absalom post for his Cain vote was just odd dears. I think it was a slip he meant.

I think the votes for Samson are lame. I agree that it's the easiest scapegoat. A baddie would have to be a complete idiot to just vote like that and not explain it, and then go and say he doesn't think the one he voted for is bad. And no, this is not WIFOM because it's a stupid WIFOM, just look at the votes he's getting.

I'm probably going to pick one of Samsons' voters. I still need to read back a little

I agree with this. I will be surprised if Samson flips civ.

I mean I will be surprised if Samson DOESN'T flip civ. Derp.

To me it's like he got caught, not a typo. I didn't see him steering any of us away from Samson or suggesting he was Civ so why is he so confident?

I think Absalom is definitely my vote tomorrow at this point and I think he and Paul are a little too chummy with each other for my liking hunnies.

[Perd Hapley]

And here was the post where right after Absalom tries to draw attention to me over something he believes makes me suspicious with Paul:

new scum list

1. Martha
2. nicodemus
3. Samson
4. balaam
5. Samuel

however it is hard to say atm

i am not sure how i feel about lot anymore, he seems cool to me

all of these 5 players are not really scumhunting

Samson's move almost seems too scummy to be true, its really weird to me

i know my original pressure to Samuel was a joke but I want to see more from him

[NurseWilgy]

Then this whole Absalom post for his Cain vote was just odd dears. I think it was a slip he meant.

I think the votes for Samson are lame. I agree that it's the easiest scapegoat. A baddie would have to be a complete idiot to just vote like that and not explain it, and then go and say he doesn't think the one he voted for is bad. And no, this is not WIFOM because it's a stupid WIFOM, just look at the votes he's getting.

I'm probably going to pick one of Samsons' voters. I still need to read back a little

I agree with this. I will be surprised if Samson flips civ.

I mean I will be surprised if Samson DOESN'T flip civ. Derp.

To me it's like he got caught, not a typo. I didn't see him steering any of us away from Samson or suggesting he was Civ so why is he so confident?

I think Absalom is definitely my vote tomorrow at this point and I think he and Paul are a little too chummy with each other for my liking hunnies.

This feels like a fake case to me, mainly because it doesn't make any sense. You think the sentence "I will be surprised if Samson flips civ" was not a typo? Okay, let's assume I meant to type it. What does that tell you? Samson did flip civ. What would I have to gain by saying I thought he would flip bad if I were bad? I find this all very confusing.

I have done this sort of thing as a baddie before, manufacture a case that I don't really believe by pulling out anything noticeable. Only in this case, the quote doesn't say what you are claiming it says.

[Perd Hapley]

You were trying to build cred sweetie by saying you think he would be Civ.,but you showed no opinion on him being civ or how we should not have voted him. I felt like you were trying to make yourself look good without trying to ever support him. You and Paul are not rubbing me the right way sweet cheeks.

[NurseWilgy]

You were trying to build cred sweetie by saying you think he would be Civ.,but you showed no opinion on him being civ or how we should not have voted him. I felt like you were trying to make yourself look good without trying to ever support him. You and Paul are not rubbing me the right way sweet cheeks.

But I initially said I didn't think he was civ (a typo) which you claim was not a typo. Why do you make that claim? Can you see that it makes no sense?

[Perd Hapley]

You were trying to build cred sweetie by saying you think he would be Civ.,but you showed no opinion on him being civ or how we should not have voted him. I felt like you were trying to make yourself look good without trying to ever support him. You and Paul are not rubbing me the right way sweet cheeks.

But I initially said I didn't think he was civ (a typo) which you claim was not a typo. Why do you make that claim? Can you see that it makes no sense?

Right it does make sense sweetie. You said he wasn't a Civ which was fine because you didn't talk about him or wanting to vote for him but you fixed it to make sure you said, "He is a civ" which was odd you would call him a civ and correct yourself when you didn't defend him to start with. The first way didn't strike me until you corrected your own self.

[Perd Hapley]

Do you not want to discuss how you and Paul are apparent teammates, Absalom dear? You seemed to only focus on the last part to get attention back off.