Mafia: A World Reborn Game Thread - Game Over

[juliets]

How would you like me to contribute to the hunt MAc? I'm trying to make a final decision for a vote so what people are saying is very important to me.

[MacDougall]

juliets

Yes. You are my hero.

Why did you vote for me Turnip Head?

Gummonnnn. Juliets is lurking hard and not contributing to this hunt at all.

Juliets playing like a scum who knows a mislynch is happening either way.

[Turnip Head]

How would you like me to contribute to the hunt MAc? I'm trying to make a final decision for a vote so what people are saying is very important to me.

Where are you leaning and why?

[HamburgerBoy]

juliets

Yes. You are my hero.

Why did you vote for me Turnip Head?

It does look really suspicious when you suddenly come in here like that. You mentioned that Floyd was a better suspect following Tranq's argument, why not push a Floyd vote earlier when it could have made a difference?

[MacDougall]

How would you like me to contribute to the hunt MAc? I'm trying to make a final decision for a vote so what people are saying is very important to me.

Interact with the two accused. Question and provoke them. Don't just watch things unfold and toss your vote wherever and then let the bandwagon leaders answer for it.

[HamburgerBoy]

juliets

Where were you during your AMA session on your sudden Dom vote? I asked you something. Now another unexplained vote.

What did you ask me? I missed it.

Here.

[sig]

About?

The people you would hypothetically vote for. You also took way too long to answer because you mulled over what the best answers would be and to top it off your answers as to who you would vote for as scum with no vote on you indicates you know nutella is a mislynch.

Idk if nutella is mislynch but better her then me tbh, regardless of alignment expect maybe civ I would vote for her at this point. Also I have the thread up but I'm doing other things also

checking btsc for advise :P

@Nutelle who else would you like to lynch what about Elochin we can do it together?

[sig]

34 minutes to start a CFD

[HamburgerBoy]

fwiw, I forgot what the Tranq argument was. Reviewing it, it was simply that Floyd was a self-proclaimed new player who said something a new player shouldn't have said about strategy. E.g., another poor "scumslip" catch attempt.

[Golden]

What really amazes me is that noone is taking their vote OFF the sig train.

Isn't it obvious by now? It feels like it to me.

[MacDougall]

About?

The people you would hypothetically vote for. You also took way too long to answer because you mulled over what the best answers would be and to top it off your answers as to who you would vote for as scum with no vote on you indicates you know nutella is a mislynch.

Idk if nutella is mislynch but better her then me tbh, regardless of alignment expect maybe civ I would vote for her at this point. Also I have the thread up but I'm doing other things also

checking btsc for advise :P

@Nutelle who else would you like to lynch what about Elochin we can do it together?

Elohcin is your attempt to save yourself not juliets?

Vote for juliets.

[juliets]

Because both zebra and Golden have been compelling in their arguments and I didn't want to drum up Floyd. It's like a wasted vote in my mind because I knew i couldnt get people to follow. I don't generally push in lynches. Anyway I think I'm going to vote for sig based on zebras push (no, I am not putting it on her shoulders this is my decision) and sig's coming into the thread and trying to drum up some zebra votes.

linki but i'll read it after i post.

[Long Con]

31 minutes left in this lynch!

[HamburgerBoy]

What really amazes me is that noone is taking their vote OFF the sig train.

Isn't it obvious by now? It feels like it to me.

Basically everyone currently on the train is someone that committed to it over 24 hours ago. DFaraday, fingersplints, and juliets all jumped on within a span of just one hour yesterday. What's obvious to you, that this is a bus people don't want to leave? Or what?

[Golden]

That sig is not bad.

[Dom]

Yeh

Earlier in the game, you condemned people who played "silly"? How can you justify this with your recent bout of behavior? Why are you acting silly to avoid scrutiny from me?

Additionally, how are all of the following people bad:
-SVS
-Epig
-Dom
-Golden
-Juliets
-Matt F
-Zebra
-DFaraday
-HamburgerBoy


So... all of these people, Mac, are definitely bad? You've expressed that.

Could you point it out?

She knows I am civ. You can tell by the way she phrased the first sentence and also the defense of me when I was absent was confident because she knows my alignment.

Let's say Juliets is bad. Why would she know your alignment?

I don't like either of these lynch trains. Why is Dom's vote on Mac? I thought he was suspicious of nutella and she's one of the major candidates.

I have expressed suspicion of Mac for a while now-- why are you surprised that my vote is on someone I'm suspicious of?

[Golden]

But you are right, none of these people are even around.

[Dom]

Golden, how sure are you?

[juliets]

sig, i am ready to vote for you. Tell me why I should not.

[Turnip Head]

I voted for Dom, AMA

Why? Your post history has the following as explanations:

I don't see Epi suspecting you because he disagrees with you. I don't see Epi suspecting SVS because he disagrees with her. I also don't think he's only suspecting you because he needs someone to latch onto - his case might not be the most solid one I've seen, but it feels genuine to me, and he's discussed players other than you.

I think you're trying to create a false narrative here.

I'm not convinced he's bad yet. I just thought his questions weren't as pointed compared to what I'm used to from him. Minor ping.

You admit that it "might not be the most solid", so does genuine Epi = right Epi? In all games I've played here I've seen people comment on Epi tunneling. His first two real posts in the case go from "Yeah you are [bad]. Voting Dom." to comments that he isn't taking a stand/too easy-going on various things on day 1. My issue with that would be firstly that not all players take hard stances and love long arguments; I do, Epi clearly does, many others do, but some players simply don't. Does this violate Dom's established meta? Secondly, if it's scummy when Dom doesn't give a counter-reply to every reply towards his questions, how about from other players? For example, if

Can you explain how nutella is lurking?

is scummy, how can you get away with

What are you seeing with nutella?

Without pushing Dom further, especially since you are now pursuing his lynch? That all neglects that Dom's initial question about nutella lurking was misrepresented by Epi, and Epi never cared to actually respond to his counter-reply.

I have no idea what most of these questions mean or what point you're trying to make with them, but I voted for Dom because he doesn't feel quite like his civvie self to me. I think he was trying to cause misdirection rather than ask questions that would lead to him finding baddies. I think he misrepresented Epi's case against him to paint himself in a better light.

[Turnip Head]

I don't like either of these lynch trains. Why is Dom's vote on Mac? I thought he was suspicious of nutella and she's one of the major candidates.

I have expressed suspicion of Mac for a while now-- why are you surprised that my vote is on someone I'm suspicious of?

Because your other suspects have more votes and are more likely to be lynched.

[Golden]

Golden, how sure are you?

Well, I mean, how long is a piece of string?

But I do really feel it, like, what is there to sig's case. He used the word 'currently' when describing the mafia's kill. No-one has really been sticking up for him until I started to. He was the run away early leader in the lynch. He is like the cliche easy town bandwagon.

[HamburgerBoy]

That sig is not bad.

Could you elaborate a little more? Because now I'm thinking of the end of RYM 87, where everyone was going steady on aether being scum, it made me nervous and I backed off of her, and then she flipped scum anyways. Of course, Jay was the only one on that bus, but still. To me it just looks like a lazy lynch.

[MacDougall]

Yeh

Earlier in the game, you condemned people who played "silly"? How can you justify this with your recent bout of behavior? Why are you acting silly to avoid scrutiny from me?

Additionally, how are all of the following people bad:
-SVS
-Epig
-Dom
-Golden
-Juliets
-Matt F
-Zebra
-DFaraday
-HamburgerBoy


So... all of these people, Mac, are definitely bad? You've expressed that.

Could you point it out?

She knows I am civ. You can tell by the way she phrased the first sentence and also the defense of me when I was absent was confident because she knows my alignment.

Let's say Juliets is bad. Why would she know your alignment?

I don't like either of these lynch trains. Why is Dom's vote on Mac? I thought he was suspicious of nutella and she's one of the major candidates.

I have expressed suspicion of Mac for a while now-- why are you surprised that my vote is on someone I'm suspicious of?

You are questioning why I would provoke and question 9 players like I should ration out my casings. Nah not me.

I am going to go ahead and ignore the rest of what you said.

[Golden]

If you are trying to fish for 'do I have info' - no, I've already made clear I don't. It's not one of these 'I would protect sig until the end of time' kind of things. I just really believe this is a mislynch and the second really easy mislynch in a row.

@HB - what more elaboration is there? It is a really lazy lynch. What is the case for sig is bad?

[MacDougall]

Are you just pretending not to see all of sigs scum posts?

[HamburgerBoy]

@HB - what more elaboration is there? It is a really lazy lynch. What is the case for sig is bad?

I'm not saying that it makes sig bad, I don't think he is. You seem to be implying that lazy lynches are likely to hit townies; if by that you mean simply because of the random probability of hitting a town player is around 50/50, then sure.

[fingersplints]

What really amazes me is that noone is taking their vote OFF the sig train.

Isn't it obvious by now? It feels like it to me.

Idk what is supposed to be obvious because I am not seeing it, but I have been admittedly only skimming the thread and am not great at picking up hints and shit anyways. If you make a better case for Nutella in a couple minutes before bed id be willing to switch. I don't feel THAT strongly about sig, but it's all I have atm.

[Dom]

I don't like either of these lynch trains. Why is Dom's vote on Mac? I thought he was suspicious of nutella and she's one of the major candidates.

I have expressed suspicion of Mac for a while now-- why are you surprised that my vote is on someone I'm suspicious of?

Because your other suspects have more votes and are more likely to be lynched.

... but I might suspect other people more? Why is that controversial?

Golden, how sure are you?

Well, I mean, how long is a piece of string?

But I do really feel it, like, what is there to sig's case. He used the word 'currently' when describing the mafia's kill. No-one has really been sticking up for him until I started to. He was the run away early leader in the lynch. He is like the cliche easy town bandwagon.

What if nutella is civ?

[a2thezebra]

Are you just pretending not to see all of sigs scum posts?

This, to anyone not voting for sig.

[Golden]

@HB - what more elaboration is there? It is a really lazy lynch. What is the case for sig is bad?

I'm not saying that it makes sig bad, I don't think he is. You seem to be implying that lazy lynches are likely to hit townies; if by that you mean simply because of the random probability of hitting a town player is around 50/50, then sure.

No. I mean because townies are lazy when they don't have lynch convictions, but mafia never don't have lynch convictions. Lazy lynches suggest you aren't hitting a mafia target, or else someone would have been getting busy finding someone else to make a productive case on and misidrecting the thread. Yet, I know I'm not bad and no-one else fits the bill, for me.

[HamburgerBoy]

I have no idea what most of these questions mean or what point you're trying to make with them, but I voted for Dom because he doesn't feel quite like his civvie self to me. I think he was trying to cause misdirection rather than ask questions that would lead to him finding baddies. I think he misrepresented Epi's case against him to paint himself in a better light.

So what about the last point I mentioned, where Dom did answer one of Epi's probings and Epi never replied back? I don't see deliberate misdirection in his post, just trying to wade through the back-and-forth that often seems to come when dealing with Epi being on your case.

[Dom]

Are you just pretending not to see all of sigs scum posts?

Are you just pretending to not see all of my posts about you?

[Dom]

I have no idea what most of these questions mean or what point you're trying to make with them, but I voted for Dom because he doesn't feel quite like his civvie self to me. I think he was trying to cause misdirection rather than ask questions that would lead to him finding baddies. I think he misrepresented Epi's case against him to paint himself in a better light.

How did I do that?

[fingersplints]

I'm not sure "no one is sticking up for him" is the great indicator of civvieness that Golden is making it out to be. Baddies bus each other all the time. Especially early and when a potential slip is involved.

[MacDougall]

What really amazes me is that noone is taking their vote OFF the sig train.

Isn't it obvious by now? It feels like it to me.

Idk what is supposed to be obvious because I am not seeing it, but I have been admittedly only skimming the thread and am not great at picking up hints and shit anyways. If you make a better case for Nutella in a couple minutes before bed id be willing to switch. I don't feel THAT strongly about sig, but it's all I have atm.

You are also scum.

Linki: no I saw them all. I just don't care.

[Golden]

It's really hard to make a better case on nutella than what already exists.

I read the role card midway through that day, and saw there was a lie detector role.
I figured, hey, mafia probably have seen that and are scared of it, why don't I ask a whole lot of questions and see what I get back.
Nutella and bubbles avoided answering the question 'are you civ aligned'. I think mafia would have deliberately avoided it.

Nutella made a distancing post about bubbles
Bubbles made a distancing post before timmer's death about wanting to see more from timmer, despite there being HEAPS of very quiet people (including her)

I believe Nutella and bubbles are both bad, and are together on the team that killed timmer.

[Turnip Head]

I don't like either of these lynch trains. Why is Dom's vote on Mac? I thought he was suspicious of nutella and she's one of the major candidates.

I have expressed suspicion of Mac for a while now-- why are you surprised that my vote is on someone I'm suspicious of?

Because your other suspects have more votes and are more likely to be lynched.

... but I might suspect other people more? Why is that controversial?

You could have just answered my question instead of acting like it was a ridiculous question to ask.

[sig]

I wasn't really trying to get zebra lynched in the last few posts, it was two things I was trying to ever so stealthy say something but it kinda flew over her head and I was messing around it doesn't seem we will be lynching someone today so I'm joking around slightly more then usually but most of even these posts have points to them.

Or maybe she knows what I was trying to say and is really scum right know I'm leaning scum on her but we will see soon enough if my hunches are correct.

There is a very slim possibility she could get lynched with fewer votes but if I was trying to change the lynch I would push Mac/juilets they are more likely to get last minute lynched then

Linki: juliets this whole wagon was started based on a small word choice to when I posted why I thought Timmer was killed. I was accused of giving horriblhy defense etc but keep in mind I've been being pushed and forced to defend myself for an entire phase, with multiply people accusing me and jumping on my wagon very early. I've had few other people chime in for me and has had multiply people attack me rather aggressively those that havent have dropped votes and that was it. This is a scum wagon I don't think your post is genuine but if it is think about it from my perspective. I've made long posts defending myself pieces of those posts were then nitpicked at to find more "evidence" against me. People DEFENDING Bulls when he twisted and changed the words then said I said them. When I mentioned this and actually made posts not only defending myself but also looking at other peoples post to prove it was made by scum and prove when people mainly Bulls changed my wording and made it seem more sinister my points were ignored. If you can't see this is a scum created wagon then vote for me.
I have the feeling you already decided to vote for me though and am simply asking this to look better if I flip civ.

[Dom]

I don't like either of these lynch trains. Why is Dom's vote on Mac? I thought he was suspicious of nutella and she's one of the major candidates.

I have expressed suspicion of Mac for a while now-- why are you surprised that my vote is on someone I'm suspicious of?

Because your other suspects have more votes and are more likely to be lynched.

... but I might suspect other people more? Why is that controversial?

You could have just answered my question instead of acting like it was a ridiculous question to ask.

I did.

[Turnip Head]

I have no idea what most of these questions mean or what point you're trying to make with them, but I voted for Dom because he doesn't feel quite like his civvie self to me. I think he was trying to cause misdirection rather than ask questions that would lead to him finding baddies. I think he misrepresented Epi's case against him to paint himself in a better light.

How did I do that?

I laid out my thoughts about this here.

[fingersplints]

What really amazes me is that noone is taking their vote OFF the sig train.

Isn't it obvious by now? It feels like it to me.

Idk what is supposed to be obvious because I am not seeing it, but I have been admittedly only skimming the thread and am not great at picking up hints and shit anyways. If you make a better case for Nutella in a couple minutes before bed id be willing to switch. I don't feel THAT strongly about sig, but it's all I have atm.

You are also scum.

Linki: no I saw them all. I just don't care.

Great argument.

[Turnip Head]

I have no idea what most of these questions mean or what point you're trying to make with them, but I voted for Dom because he doesn't feel quite like his civvie self to me. I think he was trying to cause misdirection rather than ask questions that would lead to him finding baddies. I think he misrepresented Epi's case against him to paint himself in a better light.

So what about the last point I mentioned, where Dom did answer one of Epi's probings and Epi never replied back? I don't see deliberate misdirection in his post, just trying to wade through the back-and-forth that often seems to come when dealing with Epi being on your case.

I don't know. I'll look into it.

[HamburgerBoy]

No. I mean because townies are lazy when they don't have lynch convictions, but mafia never don't have lynch convictions. Lazy lynches suggest you aren't hitting a mafia target, or else someone would have been getting busy finding someone else to make a productive case on and misidrecting the thread. Yet, I know I'm not bad and no-one else fits the bill, for me.

How does that make you feel about the players that showed stronger conviction in the sig lynch then?

[MacDougall]

Sig you say if you were trying to change the lynch you would push me or juliets when you actually tried to get jutella to vote for elohcin before. You are mixed up. If you u are civ it's your own fault you are being lynched.

[sig]

Because I'm not trying to redirect a lynch to someone I don't think is mafia as a civ???

[Golden]

No. I mean because townies are lazy when they don't have lynch convictions, but mafia never don't have lynch convictions. Lazy lynches suggest you aren't hitting a mafia target, or else someone would have been getting busy finding someone else to make a productive case on and misidrecting the thread. Yet, I know I'm not bad and no-one else fits the bill, for me.

How does that make you feel about the players that showed stronger conviction in the sig lynch then?

Bullz, genuine. Zebra - not sure. Those are the only two that I have felt have stronger conviction. Splints, might do, but she hasn't really shown that just that she hasn't had much time to keep up with the thread.

[HamburgerBoy]

It's really hard to make a better case on nutella than what already exists.

I read the role card midway through that day, and saw there was a lie detector role.
I figured, hey, mafia probably have seen that and are scared of it, why don't I ask a whole lot of questions and see what I get back.
Nutella and bubbles avoided answering the question 'are you civ aligned'. I think mafia would have deliberately avoided it.

Nutella made a distancing post about bubbles
Bubbles made a distancing post before timmer's death about wanting to see more from timmer, despite there being HEAPS of very quiet people (including her)

I believe Nutella and bubbles are both bad, and are together on the team that killed timmer.

Actually, the lie detector angle is a compelling angle for why nutella wouldn't answer it directly. I just did a search for 'detector' and this post and the op are the only ones popping up; if you mentioned it in another way, I missed it. I'll go nutella now.

[a2thezebra]

I wasn't really trying to get zebra lynched in the last few posts, it was two things I was trying to ever so stealthy say something but it kinda flew over her head and I was messing around it doesn't seem we will be lynching someone today so I'm joking around slightly more then usually but most of even these posts have points to them.

Or maybe she knows what I was trying to say and is really scum right know I'm leaning scum on her but we will see soon enough if my hunches are correct.

There is a very slim possibility she could get lynched with fewer votes but if I was trying to change the lynch I would push Mac/juilets they are more likely to get last minute lynched then

You are correct in that I do know what you were trying to say, nothing flew over my head. It's the same thing you did earlier when you accused me of slipping with "us" and then backed out because you knew that mislynch wouldn't get any traction for an accusation that was so preposterous. The same thing happened again here, you're acting like you were being humorous with your comment that lynching me would reveal my alignment when really you were dead set on it. The fact that you do in fact lean scum on me but are being so careful tip-toeing around why, further illustrates that I've got you and you don't have any decent counter-argument.

[a2thezebra]

Is it not baffling to anyone else that a player who is accused of scumslipping would claim to be humorously advocating the lynch of a player who they are leaning scum on anyway?