STAR WARS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Canucklehead]

As long as we're making bets, here's a bet for you two.

If EITHER of you are scum-aligned, my signature will contain the disclaimer and nothing more for as long as I'm on this site. That's a real damn bet too, not a gambit.

Also, this post by zebra makes me think she knows that neither are Hutts....and if this knowledge was civ-derived, she would've brought it up earlier in the fight.
I think zebra is a hutt.

[a2thezebra]

As long as we're making bets, here's a bet for you two.

If EITHER of you are scum-aligned, my signature will contain the disclaimer and nothing more for as long as I'm on this site. That's a real damn bet too, not a gambit.

Also, this post by zebra makes me think she knows that neither are Hutts....and if this knowledge was civ-derived, she would've brought it up earlier in the fight.
I think zebra is a hutt.

You're the first one regarding this particular issue to make it about the Hutts. I don't think Mac or Golden are scum period. What makes you think I know they are not bad, Hutts specifically? What makes you think I would've brought it up earlier if I did have that knowledge civ-derived? This is a bizarre post.

[a2thezebra]

Also, I don't think it's that strange for Golden to call the idea preposterous. I disagree that it's that far-fetched, but I wouldn't expect him to give any other reaction whether it's true or not.

[Canucklehead]

As long as we're making bets, here's a bet for you two.

If EITHER of you are scum-aligned, my signature will contain the disclaimer and nothing more for as long as I'm on this site. That's a real damn bet too, not a gambit.

Also, this post by zebra makes me think she knows that neither are Hutts....and if this knowledge was civ-derived, she would've brought it up earlier in the fight.
I think zebra is a hutt.

You're the first one regarding this particular issue to make it about the Hutts. I don't think Mac or Golden are scum period. What makes you think I know they are not bad, Hutts specifically? What makes you think I would've brought it up earlier if I did have that knowledge civ-derived? This is a bizarre post.

You're right, you didn't exclude empire possibilities from your bet. I suppose in the context of their back-and-forth, in which they were insisting the other was hutt, that I just read "bad" in your post to mean "hutt" since that's what had been talked about.
But yeah, you very clearly say "scum-aligned" and not hutt. My bad.

[a2thezebra]

As long as we're making bets, here's a bet for you two.

If EITHER of you are scum-aligned, my signature will contain the disclaimer and nothing more for as long as I'm on this site. That's a real damn bet too, not a gambit.

Also, this post by zebra makes me think she knows that neither are Hutts....and if this knowledge was civ-derived, she would've brought it up earlier in the fight.
I think zebra is a hutt.

You're the first one regarding this particular issue to make it about the Hutts. I don't think Mac or Golden are scum period. What makes you think I know they are not bad, Hutts specifically? What makes you think I would've brought it up earlier if I did have that knowledge civ-derived? This is a bizarre post.

You're right, you didn't exclude empire possibilities from your bet. I suppose in the context of their back-and-forth, in which they were insisting the other was hutt, that I just read "bad" in your post to mean "hutt" since that's what had been talked about.
But yeah, you very clearly say "scum-aligned" and not hutt. My bad.

Cool beans, but I still don't get why if I did have "civ-derived" knowledge, why would I have brought it up earlier?

[Canucklehead]

As long as we're making bets, here's a bet for you two.

If EITHER of you are scum-aligned, my signature will contain the disclaimer and nothing more for as long as I'm on this site. That's a real damn bet too, not a gambit.

Also, this post by zebra makes me think she knows that neither are Hutts....and if this knowledge was civ-derived, she would've brought it up earlier in the fight.
I think zebra is a hutt.

You're the first one regarding this particular issue to make it about the Hutts. I don't think Mac or Golden are scum period. What makes you think I know they are not bad, Hutts specifically? What makes you think I would've brought it up earlier if I did have that knowledge civ-derived? This is a bizarre post.

You're right, you didn't exclude empire possibilities from your bet. I suppose in the context of their back-and-forth, in which they were insisting the other was hutt, that I just read "bad" in your post to mean "hutt" since that's what had been talked about.
But yeah, you very clearly say "scum-aligned" and not hutt. My bad.

Cool beans, but I still don't get why if I did have "civ-derived" knowledge, why would I have brought it up earlier?

Oh. My thinking there was that, as a hutt, you benefitted from the ongoing flameout of two prominent players calling each other a hutt. If, however, you were a civ a knew through role powers that neither was a hutt, it would benefit you to have spoken up earlier and tried to defuse the fire a little. Civ on civ (which is honestly what I think this was, despite the weirdness I see in Golden's reaction) testosterone battles don't do much good for civ causes, so I would assume that people who know them to be not-bad (which your post made t sound like you did) would intervene rather than fueling the flames.

That's what I meant by that. I'm no longer convinced of my own reading, but for what it's worth, that was my thought process.

[a2thezebra]

I gotcha. Here's an unrelated (?) question for anyone interested in answering it. Was or was not Enrique actually poisoned?

[MacDougall]

Okay in the interest of exploring my read and burying Golden in ten thousand tons of cow shit. I'm now analysing everything that led up to him voting for Brian... Here's day 1. Please, take the time to read this, I know it's a massive wall of crap but it's very very damning.

Spoiler: show

Golden

Nothing sticks out really, but he seems more playful then usual so far. Typically at around this time, if civ, Golden is picking a fight with another civ. Why hasn't that happened yet Golden?

Thats kind of low. Often by this point I'm picking a fight with a baddie.

But, this is one of the most common and yet untrue accusations that gets levelled at me. If you looked back at the games I've played on this site, you'll see I've been lynched early several times as civ for not having 'picked a fight' yet - most notably in economics where I was lynched day one and then got to sub in as a baddie and clean everyone up. No early fights in Biblical where I was civ. But I did have early fights in Bullets over Broadway where I was Indy.

Since you came back, you have played 4 games early with me. In Dune zebra and I got into a fight, but it was not me that 'picked it'... I said I had a small ping and he overreacted. In Talking Heads I had some dialogue going on with Rico, but it could hardly be called a fight (any more than the posts I exchanged with Mac today). The first time I picked a fight was day 2, and it was with the specific goal of getting people to lynch me. And World Reborn, you didn't see me go straight out and pick fights in that one either (although because it is ongoing, I recognise we can't dialogue on what that means).

Long story short - you are raising a false indicator of my affiliation. (And I think your representation that I am 'more playful' is incorrect too... I always try to be playful. It makes things fun for me.)

I was wondering about that golden, what's going on normally by this point your are flinging shit around looking for scum. I just took a look at your content, even with 40+ posts there is almost no content. Are you busy being trained in the ways of the dark side? I find this concerning.

I would say that your three latest posts appear to be your only actual content. That being said, you appear to have a read on matt, I will take a look at him next as a lot of people seem to be going on about him right now.

Do you have any other reads or major concerns?

This is the earliest interaction I can see. Brian picks a fight with Golden claiming that Golden hadn't produced any content, which is a lie and a scum confirmed one at that. Golden had produced plenty of content including he and I already having had a brief altercation.

It leads to this post.

And I will repeat what I said to Matt.

Your post about me appears like you have just ISOed me. If that is true, you ought to know that I've given reads on about half of the people in the game, which is significantly more than most other people here.

I'll add you to my scum read list, though. I don't like it when people push this agenda about me, that if I don't pick fights I'm not creating content. I've seen it take me down as a civilian too many times, both back in my RM days and since I've arrived at the Syndicate. People use an incorrect perception of my meta against me. It is something I find inherently suspicious, especially when the basic starting point is that I 'don't have content' when that is plainly untrue.

So at this point, very early, he has a scum read on Brian. Defended himself well. It's a good look for him.

Keep in mind this is on day 1.

And before brian points out my 'lack of content', I would like to REINFORCE these points:

about 24/29 of the players have not even had 10% of the reads I have made in this game.

I want people to ask themselves, why is brian forcing the 'lack of content' angle when my response to this has consistently been "This is an incorrect scum tell" - It is blatantly not the truth, in any event, that the conduct I'm being accused of is a scum tell for me. I have it thrown at me regularly WHEN I'M CIVILIAN. As I keep saying. I can think of only one time when I've been accused of being bad because I've been quiet, and it has actually been the truth (and it wasn't the truth because I was bad... it was the truth because I was very busy at that time).

Golden rips him to shreds. If we'd have been paying attention Brian would have been lynched day 1. Golden caught him.

Spoiler: show

And before brian points out my 'lack of content', I would like to REINFORCE these points:

about 24/29 of the players have not even had 10% of the reads I have made in this game.

I want people to ask themselves, why is brian forcing the 'lack of content' angle when my response to this has consistently been "This is an incorrect scum tell" - It is blatantly not the truth, in any event, that the conduct I'm being accused of is a scum tell for me. I have it thrown at me regularly WHEN I'M CIVILIAN. As I keep saying. I can think of only one time when I've been accused of being bad because I've been quiet, and it has actually been the truth (and it wasn't the truth because I was bad... it was the truth because I was very busy at that time).

And I will repeat what I said to Matt.

Your post about me appears like you have just ISOed me. If that is true, you ought to know that I've given reads on about half of the people in the game, which is significantly more than most other people here.

I'll add you to my scum read list, though. I don't like it when people push this agenda about me, that if I don't pick fights I'm not creating content. I've seen it take me down as a civilian too many times, both back in my RM days and since I've arrived at the Syndicate. People use an incorrect perception of my meta against me. It is something I find inherently suspicious, especially when the basic starting point is that I 'don't have content' when that is plainly untrue.

I did indeed, but I have also, as I just stated read the entire forum nearly twice now. I am not asking you to compile a list of reads if you have any specific concerns off the top of your head right now, that would be great.

By no means am I attempting to force anybody to do anything, people have very low content in general right now which is, from my experience normal for day 0/1 standards.

I agreed with you on the first point, most people have very little content right now.

Are you currently civilian golden?

Brian has no comeback either. He is as tame as a scum caught with their hand in the cookie jar ever could be. He's as good as caught.

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Are you currently civilian golden?

That's an odd way of phrasing that question. Do you have reason to believe things will shift? In case you are trying to dig for some kind of LDable statement (which is how that reads), I will give you one that should work. I am not and (unless I'm missing some mechanic which is outside of my control) will never be aligned with anti-town win conditions.

linki @MP - I don't find Simon's posts alarming either. Boba looks dangerous, I'd call it astute. Interesting that 'indy-hunting' is a scum tell in Savage's mafia world. I agree that it isn't here.

For someone who just caught scum with their hand the jar this badly, this is a pretty casual response to a really poorly designed retort. Especially when it leads to this...

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Are you currently civilian golden?

That's an odd way of phrasing that question. Do you have reason to believe things will shift? In case you are trying to dig for some kind of LDable statement (which is how that reads), I will give you one that should work. I am not and (unless I'm missing some mechanic which is outside of my control) will never be aligned with anti-town win conditions.

linki @MP - I don't find Simon's posts alarming either. Boba looks dangerous, I'd call it astute. Interesting that 'indy-hunting' is a scum tell in Savage's mafia world. I agree that it isn't here.

Not really considering your question.

And before brian points out my 'lack of content', I would like to REINFORCE these points:

about 24/29 of the players have not even had 10% of the reads I have made in this game.

I want people to ask themselves, why is brian forcing the 'lack of content' angle when my response to this has consistently been "This is an incorrect scum tell" - It is blatantly not the truth, in any event, that the conduct I'm being accused of is a scum tell for me. I have it thrown at me regularly WHEN I'M CIVILIAN. As I keep saying. I can think of only one time when I've been accused of being bad because I've been quiet, and it has actually been the truth (and it wasn't the truth because I was bad... it was the truth because I was very busy at that time).

er statement

It was the word 'currently' that I found odd.

Oh but I get it now, you mean 'in this game'.

gth in this context is gun to head not go to hell.

gth in this context is gun to head not go to hell.

lol that is awesome

I've actually felt the vibe is generally been ok in this game.

But, never mind the cute baby animals, my 'fun vibe' in this game will continue to be Star Wars memes.

Like this:



(No, thats not a role hint)

So, so far I am reading this like bcornett was cavalierly trying to play the distance game and Golden bit back really really scathingly hard, realised it and piped the fuck down. Here's where they used their interactions to mask the "amusement".

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Red Four, standing by.

Also standing by for Brian's case... promised an hour ago, two hours till the day ends. I'm getting concerned that it could lead to a day end bandwagon on me without me having any real opportunity to respond, especially as a chunk of that I'm not at my computer.

I dunno about the rest of you, but from what I just read Golden took Brian to task and Brian backed right off. So for Golden to then claim he's concerned that he was going to get wagoned from that case, rather than pushing harder on Brian at this point is mighty weird.

And then we get this magnum opus.

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Yeah, I'll invite anyone to look at that, and note the various points I made on Russti, MP, Mac, Zebra.... others too... and the things that weren't specific reads but contributing to solving game mechanics, before those 'last three posts'

I do not believe anyone can possibly read my iso and genuinely call that a 'lack of content'. I guess you are in the zebra camp where if you don't care about the specific thing being talked about, it isn't in any way someone trying to contribute to solving the game. The fact you doubled down on it has you shooting to the top of my suspect list. The golden 'lack of content' case is always bullsuit, it gets rolled out far too often, and it frankly pisses me off. I'm not under any obligation to write 200 posts in the first day phase going at someone aggressively. There is no greater discouragement to trying to help the town than behaving like a good member of the town and being told you don't have content, when about 24/29 of the players have not even had 10% of the reads I have made in this game.

It's taking every ounce of my control not to just vote for you and be done with the vote for today.

I do not think your case on me is truthful. So, people want me to pick a fight? Bcornett has one coming. Read my iso people, go ahead. Look at what bullsuit it is that I have no content.

You are way to defensive for what I said. I have never seen a golden who is scared he is going to be lynched because of too much content as a civ? Even if you have been in the recent past, even in more than one game, that is a bullshit excuse, and illogical. As you stated in your argument with zebra content is useful as it allows reads. I've have been lynched on day 1-2 in 2/6 of the games ive played thus far. That hasn't stopped me from posting. (Thanfully this day 0/1 fell on my weekend so I have had more time to participate.)

So here we go...detail iso

Consider me slightly pinged that you are slightly pinged.

Consider me slightly pinged that you are slightly pinged that he is slightly pinged.

Oh, who am I kidding. I'm just slightly pinged because you are zebra

My experience of DDL is that he always seems suspicious early on. I thought he was bad day one in economics and he wasn't.

You do make a meta statement about DDL though which was useful.

This statement is followed with a short discussion with Zebra about DDL.

I've never played with him before (either that or it's been far too long) so does he normally make a suggestion and then proceed to shoot down that very suggestion in the same post?

Umm, I'm not sure I can speak to his precise tendencies. Just that I have found he picks up suspicion early in every game, no matter his affiliation. Kind of like sig in this way.

Btw MP, any rainbow lists yet?

Not yet, still trying to make sense of the thread, but I'm sure I'll force myself to make one before Day 1 ends.

He will force himself. Get it??

@MP - if its worth anything, I don't share your suspicion on russti. It's consistent with the way I think to express a ping on someone when I see behaviour that I find odd, even if I feel like 'I'm not sure if it is civ or bad'. For me, the most accurate definition of what I would say I mean by 'ping' is 'I found something you did odd and so now I'm paying attention to you'.

When I see behaviour that I don't think is civ (ie I feel like 'that must be bad') I'm not nearly as likely to describe it as a ping. I only really use ping when I can also see the potential civilian perspective.

Golden doesn't agree with MP's suspicion of Russ.
Golden then talks about what a ping is.

Regarding Mac's case on MP, I think while it may have some substance to it most of it is just pointing out differences between Mac's and MP's play style. I haven't seen MP do anything yet that has struck me as opportunistic or disingenuous, and I think Mac's case against Enrique is much more convincing.

This is interesting to me, for a few reasons.
1) re: Mac's playstyle. Have you played with Mac a lot before? I've only played with him in World Reborn, and I was not super attentive in that game, but the Mac that I encountered there was NOTHING like this Mac so far (who is reading to me as calm, reasoned, and analytical). Which of these two Jekyll/Hyde sides of Mac is the "real" style, in your opinion? In what way do you see his playstyle as differing form MP's?
2) I didn't read Mac's case on MP (which I thought was good, since I almost always accuse MP of being too hedgey/non-committal, usually on Day 1 ) as accusing him of being "opportunistic" or "disingenuous", but of being overly cautious, non-committal, and wibbly-wobbly (technical term). If you don't agree with Mac's case on "opportunistic and disingenuous" grounds, do you agree with it on "wibbly-wobbly and over-cautious" grounds?

My take on Mac so far is that he is Jekyll and Hyde, but that it's not like 'Jekyll is civvie'. I think he is like some other players you and I have played with a lot (the rabbits and dutchies of this world) who take joy in mixing up their calm and chaos, even when civ, to preserve their game better when they do roll bad.

here you do provide a legitimate read on Mac's play style.

Also has everyone forgotten that MM has already voted? Am I the only one that is extremely bothered by that? Even Mac doesn't seem to care.

It's hard to be bothered by MM's normal civilian behaviour.

Statement about MM's normal play-style.

This next part I had to take into context otherwise it makes no sense nor would it be a fair read so I'm putting it inside a spoiler tag. This is Golden and Mac talking about MM

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Also has everyone forgotten that MM has already voted? Am I the only one that is extremely bothered by that? Even Mac doesn't seem to care.

It's hard to be bothered by MM's normal civilian behaviour.

Initially I assumed it was a joke vote and that he hadn't noticed that there were no vote changes, but...

Votes are not changeable in this poll.

So actually what the hell did you vote for me for Metalmarsh?

If he had managed to explain a thought process behind this switch, that'd be one thing, but the kicker is that he has failed to address your suspicion whatsoever.

I'm not sold, but I'm listening. I'd like to hear Enrique address your thoughts.

What do you think this was (from before your post):

thats like the biggest nonstory ive seen presented as a case on mafia

tbh i had no idea what "Yavin" was until i read the descriptions, at which point it was a bit of a no-brainer. like really? the place is literally the civvie base where the civvies do cool things in the movies. i DID consider my options (tattooine, endor) up until i found out about yavin. but then when it looked so good, surely i was missing something that kept people away from it? nobody gave it any consideration so i just put it down to lack of familiarity and went ahead and voted.

like i dont even understand what the baddie logic behind anything there would be.

Whether the truth or not, it definitely is a 'thought process behind the switch'.

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

MP was referencing enrique's initial reactions to my initial suspicions and his lack of response to them, anything that enrique said subsequent was not on the table.

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

MP was referencing enrique's initial reactions to my initial suspicions and his lack of response to them, anything that enrique said subsequent was not on the table.

Nope, I had the context exactly right. MP said he found Enrique suspicious because 'he hadn't given a thought process behind his change in view' when in fact Enrique had. The fact that MP said that in the context of also responding to other posts is not important. It demonstrated to me that MP's suspicion was based on the fact he had missed Enrique's post, and if anything was being swayed by posts from you saying Enrique hadn't responded... even though Enrique subsequently did.

@zebra - nope. Marmot can pretty much get away with anything. He went through a period of being lynched day one over and over and over and basically always flipping civ. So, now we recognise that it isn't alignment-related behaviour. It's just him.

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

MP was referencing enrique's initial reactions to my initial suspicions and his lack of response to them, anything that enrique said subsequent was not on the table.

Nope, I had the context exactly right. MP said he found Enrique suspicious because 'he hadn't given a thought process behind his change in view' when in fact Enrique had. The fact that MP said that in the context of also responding to other posts is not important. It demonstrated to me that MP's suspicion was based on the fact he had missed Enrique's post, and if anything was being swayed by posts from you saying Enrique hadn't responded... even though Enrique subsequently did.

@zebra - nope. Marmot can pretty much get away with anything. He went through a period of being lynched day one over and over and over and basically always flipping civ. So, now we recognise that it isn't alignment-related behaviour. It's just him.

No, you didn't. He was referring to his lack of reaction to the suspicion initially, not subsequently. He quoted a post that I had made before enrique had responded. The fact that MP himself didn't defend himself with this very easily raised refute to your point indicates that he doesn't want to play with you in the thread Golden.

Thanks for your psychoanalysis of MP, Mac. Lets see which of these is most likely to be true. Occam's Razor time.

1) MP claimed Enrique had never said something that he had said, but he only did it because he was putting it 'in context' and so was able to ignore the fact that Enrique said what MP claimed he did not say. MP fully knew that Enrique HAD said what MP claimed he hadn't, but he went ahead and said it anyway, knowing that you, Mac, would understand the so called 'context' of his post didn't include Enrique's actual response, that he claimed didn't exist. Then, when I pointed this out to him, he said 'thank you' to me, rather than him deciding to clarify that he intended that statement only to be read in context. He said thank you because he, the overlord of engaging people in the thread, and whom I have a very good working relationship with, wouldn't want to engage with me. Just because. But he also asked me for a gth read on you. Because he only wants to engage me a little bit.

2) Or... MP stated his (at the time) current thoughts on Enrique but had missed Enrique's post, and when he said 'thanks for pointing it out' he meant it, because I was helping him figure out where he stood on Enrique (whether it changes his mind or not), while at the same time clearly engaging me by asking me questions.

I dunno, take your pick people.

Firstly, the fact is that I called enrique out on the behaviour on day 0 and enrique did not reply then. The fact that he replied after I elaborated much later does not take away the fact that he did in fact reply to me with dismissive non posts. Yes, I do think it's fair for MP to have suspicion on enrique for an initial reaction without needing to address the subsequent one. The fact that he chose not to say "Golden I was referring to the fact that enrique didn't reply to Mac's initial points" alarms me, because it looks to me like that is entirely what he has done. I was not inferring that he doesn't want to engage with you "just because", I believe he didn't attempt a defense because he is already caught scum for other reasons and chose to take the easy way out and just apologise for his behaviour.

How MP chooses to respond to our conversation is going to be very telling isn't it.

Is there a third option for who gives a shit? You guys are going back-and-forth about an issue that boils down to insignificant nonsense regardless of which one of you is right.

OK, so now I'll seriously consider a vote on zebra - the so-called champion of throwing stuff out and getting people talking wants to shut down my dispute with Mac. Why?

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

That's a statement which I can only call target painting. Accusing someone of 'taking something out of context' is accusing them of having ulterior motives.

You don't think it is worth talking about how ridiculous that is? I do. Mac isn't merely wrong. He's pushing illogical shit. This should have you writing in caps.

I feel ok about Mac about it, but big ping on you!

Is there a third option for who gives a shit? You guys are going back-and-forth about an issue that boils down to insignificant nonsense regardless of which one of you is right.

OK, so now I'll seriously consider a vote on zebra - the so-called champion of throwing stuff out and getting people talking wants to shut down my dispute with Mac. Why?

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

That's a statement which I can only call target painting. Accusing someone of 'taking something out of context' is accusing them of having ulterior motives.

You don't think it is worth talking about how ridiculous that is? I do. Mac isn't merely wrong. He's pushing illogical shit. This should have you writing in caps.

I feel ok about Mac about it, but big ping on you!

Okay I don't it's fair to say that it's ridiculous. Firstly, my accusing you of taking it out of context was an accusation of you being at best lazy with your choice of where to start looking into this swathe of content that has been presented since you were last here, yes at worst I am accusing you of having ulterior motives. I'm sorry but I don't see how anything I have said is illogical.

MP quoted and agreed with the point I made that enrique failed to address my suspicions of him on day 0.

You said that was disingenous because enrique addressed subsequent suspicions on day 1.

I think you are the one who is being illogical. I know you are headstrong bordering on bullish Golden but if you fail to see my point then it is another poor reflection on you.

Whoah, whoah. What do you mean 'lazy with my choice of where to start'. If I see ANYONE who I think has missed stuff, I will point it out to them. I was giving MP context for HIS suspicion, because someone having a suspicion for reasons that I see are incorrect is not something I will let stand without me mentioning it. Thats the opposite of lazy... I could have just let him think he had read the thread properly. I can't see any reason at all for ulterior motives to what I did. Where are you even coming from on that? I was HELPING mp, and you are making out like I'm misrepresenting him... I wasn't even saying anything about MP. I never made out it was disingenuous. You are reading a hell of a lot in to that.

I'm honestly not sure I understand this argument to be honest, though I don't see it as useless mac and golden are clearly butting heads. I think that all content gives information.

The last three posts, before Golden and I started arguing about the merits of his content I will look at in context of looking at Matt F, almost all of his content since then has been directed at myself.

SUMMARY
Golden has several statements regarding DDL's meta
Golden doesn't find Russ to be suspicious
Golden provides a read on Mac's meta responding to Canucklehead's analogy of Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde
Golden provides a read on MM's normal, or abnormal play style
Golden has a long argument with and MaC, Zebra concering the thinking process behind Enrique's vote

Conclusion
Golden has done more than many of the players have thus far.
Upon completion of this ISO golden has added more content than I thought, I had to pull in the entire conversation with Mac and Zebra which I think will possibly count as golden's content, but did not show up in an initial ISO. I think this looks good for golden.
I felt that he didn't meet his own meta that I know and have seen him conform to in other games in regards to content. Which was a slight read for me.
Golden provided a reason for this.

Neutral

After all that, Brian does precisely what a scum who got his hand caught in the jar would do. He backs right off his read. Surely here's where Golden cuts him down and we lynch Jabba on day 1?

I've actually felt the vibe is generally been ok in this game.

But, never mind the cute baby animals, my 'fun vibe' in this game will continue to be Star Wars memes.

Like this:



(No, thats not a role hint)

lol, love it

This comes next... So it's only on day 1 that both those "amusement" posts occur.

Hellloooooooo

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You are way to defensive for what I said. I have never seen a golden who is scared he is going to be lynched because of too much content as a civ? Even if you have been in the recent past, even in more than one game, that is a bullshit excuse, and illogical. As you stated in your argument with zebra content is useful as it allows reads. I've have been lynched on day 1-2 in 2/6 of the games ive played thus far. That hasn't stopped me from posting. (Thanfully this day 0/1 fell on my weekend so I have had more time to participate.)

I'm not 'afraid to post content'.

But if I put my absolute full 'supatown golden' into every game from day one, two things will happen.

1) People will like me less, because it can be quite an abrasive style for some people and I make a concerted effort not to do it too often, only when I feel very confident and;
2) I'll burn out.

I'm heading into a short mafia break after this game to stay fresh, and I only signed up for this one very late because I couldn't resist the theme. But I have no intention of playing this game at 100% intensity. I'm still committed to providing quality content, just hopefully in a less intense way. I need this for me.

I appreciate you doing the iso and realising that I've been providing content all game. You didn't need to change your perspective, you could have pursued it, so that is a positive in my book.

I swear, I SWEAR Golden had just caught a scum. If I was in his brain Brian would have had his hands up against the wall being frisked man. But I was too busy having shit fights with other players to even read this shit at the time, and MP and Zebra too. But, he net reads it as a positive, and stops!

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And I'm not scared of being lynched for posting content. I'm scared of being lynched for being wrongly accused of not posting content. Because it is quite literally the most common reason I get lynched, it has happened to me again and again. Believe me when I say it is something people think must be a scum tell for me, and it is not. My civ meta is not all on, all the time. It just sometimes gets perceived that way because those games where I am 'all on' tend to be the ones where people remember me.

Also, I think the only time you've seen me as bad, when I was going after you for day upon day, I was 'all on' and creating content anyway. It was partly the content I set out to create that got sleepy and seaside lynched behind me and helped Diiny to the win.

So next time that you think my content level is suspicious, remember that, and don't be fooled by others claiming it's a golden scum tell! It's something that too many people forget.

And now he is giving Brian pointers about how to read him better. Compare this whole Golden thought process to his reaction to me casing him. It is night and day.

Their fight ends there. MP and Golden have an interaction discussing how good that whole thing made Brian look... Fuck I wish I had have looked at Golden's case on him at the time, but I've been sus on him the whole time so his points have gone over my head. He had Brian dead to rights on day 1 imo and backed right off. To the point where he actually town read him in a rainbow list.

Nobody else made Brian laugh or show amusement in the thread on day 1 except Golden, and I don't see any unusual dead guy floating around.

Onward to the next chapter!

[MacDougall]

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voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

You have exactly three posts, come in drop a vote and leave...you deserve to be lynched. This is the type of behavior that contributes to town loses.

Based on your tone, you aren't going to be around again anytime soon. I don't like this.

Why is bubbles post 'the kind of conduct that contributes to town losses'?

She gave two reads in that post. I also don't see any reason to assume she won't be back, but she is on the verge of a p-score fail so I can see her desire to vote early making sense.

What is it about bubbles content that makes her bad, bcornett? If we are to lynch people for 'not-town conduct', why not start with people like Mishimeals who haven't shown at all, or people who in their posting haven't given reads?

Your suspicion on bubbles feels like the easiest thing in the world. I agree that it would be ideal if lots of people posted more, but picking on one person and calling them out specifically for something around 10 people are doing seems very convenient.

And, after your relatively consistent suspicion on me on day one (until you ISOed me) this feels like the second time you have driven a suspicion based on CONTENT without giving any regard to whether the person's conduct is actually suspicious. When I defended myself on the basis of meta, you essentially ignored it. It feels to me like you are trying to create or jump on to reasons for suspicion that don't follow any genuine ping or reason to be suspicious of a person - but that 'sound good' and could lead to others agreeing.

Compare your own stance on bubbles to this post about not understanding why people would lynch bass:

@mm

I have read over bass's posts and i honestly can't tell you why he was lynched let alone had a single vote. Here is the post history for Bass_the_Clever. As I had previously stated I could not recall why he was considered to be suspicious therefore I placed my vote on Enrique instead. I am not sure how this made me your number one suspect. In fact, that is as suspicious as bass's Lynch. 6 players voted for bass. Of those the only player only zebra seems to have provided a reason in her ISO which basically stated that her suspicions were based on lack of content/participation.

So apparently it can't be understood when people suspect Bass for low participation, but you can suspect someone else for the same. I'm very strongly considering a vote for you today.

Above lies the entirety of Golden's reasoning for voting for bcornett because it was one page later that he then came back with this...

I'm voting for bcornett

Given we are on Alderaan (and given who has already voted), I can't afford to wait. I hoped he would come back and respond to me earlier.

@zebra - My ping-o-meter for Glorfindel only rises as well.

I struggle with his rationality and it was quite sudden too. Literally the first post after Brian made that post Golden jumped on it. Brian said that bubbles behaviour contributes to town losses. He wasn't wrong, it does. He also said that he didn't understand how Bass was lynched for it. They don't go together. He didn't vote for bubbles, wasn't pushing a lynch. He never said that Bass was civ for it, he just said that Bass shouldn't have been lynched for it. Golden stitched together an argument to make a case out of nothing, quite honestly for him to be that observant about Brian's posts is strange enough in itself.

Now let's analyse what we know...

Brian was present and willing on day 1.

He had a role that requires him to display his amusement of a character by the name of Salacious Crumb.

Golden is the only person with thread evidence of having amused Brian.

Brian went awol on day 2 and day 3. His post count reduced massively.

Golden kept posting memes on both days, but Brian didn't display amusement on day 2 or on day 3 of anybody. Nobody seemingly died, not Golden, not anybody died on day 2. I believe that due to Brian not being around, that the mods have probably given Salacious a pass for effort. Who put in effort to be a "court jester" Golden.

Who dies, if Jabba isn't happy? Golden.

Who clearly made Jabba happy? Golden.

Who had a huge case on Jabba on day 1 but resolved to back off and town read him in the end? Golden.

Who then plucked a case on him after having a strong town read on him between the first harsh interactions and his vote. His strong townread undone by THAT. Golden.

Who blamed time constraints for getting his vote on him? Golden.

Who's been taking the credit for lynching him despite it being based on a real weak case and a skin of our teeth outcome? Golden.

The arguments for the contrary. He's been posting heeeeeeeeeeaps of memes, everybody laughs. Yes you posted heaps of memes because Brian didn't lol at you on day 2 and day 3 so you were giving him boundless opportunity to do so. You also need to make it not look suspicious so you fill the thread with a ton more after his demise to make it seem like you're just palling around.

So he bussed Brian when Enrique was on the lynch wagon and then lead the charge for Enrique the next day. Buddy Enrique got lynched by the biggest landslide I've ever seen. You could have been absent and he was getting lynched. Better that Brian go on day 3 than you right? After all you die if you don't amuse him. Enrique was going to be lynched on day 2 or day 3 no matter what you did. So by the end of day 3 either Golden and Enrique are dead and we have a Brian remaining who is struggling to contribute. Or we have Brian and Enrique dead, and a Golden who looks like the fucking man who just took out two Hutts? Yeahhhhhhhhhh it's very hard to see why that decision would have been made.

I hope, that you now see, that Golden bussed Brian and is clearly a bad guy. Good day.

[Spacedaisy]

spacedaisy is replacing Glordindel

Well this day just got more interesting. Welcome daisy, sorry I've already voted for you before giving you a chance but the previous inhabitant of your role was pretty damning, I hope you agree, at least to an extent. If it helps I like your content a lot so far.

It's not often that Spacedaisy and MovingPictures are playing a game together.

And I have to go and be dead when it happens.

I want you back too, you should ask DH or Epi to replace one of the lower posters! Bubbles perhaps?

Golden vs Mac, kiwi vs Aussie, east coast vs west coast, bloods vs crips, etc etc

I think Macs theory is fine, I checked the last couple of games Golden has played (recruitment and world reborn) and Golden Didnt make any memes in those. Mac might be bad too but I like the meme observation he found for golden.

It was originally Matt's observation tho, at least the part about Salacious amusing Jabba.

Honestly, I have not even read through my predecessor's posts yet so I'm not sure what he did that was damning. I plan on reading his posts in ISO as well. I have not talked to him as I took over so... Don't know what was up, only know the role. Which I forgot to answer Mac earlier. No. I am not bad. But hey, if you all lynch me I guess I won't have to get caught up, lol. So whatevs Zebra, I'm not going to stress starting with a vote.

[a2thezebra]

@Mac I want to see how Golden responds to that. Other than the mods giving Salacious a pass for effort (I find that unlikely at best) I have little to disagree with about that analysis.

@Spacedaisy Good to hear.

[MacDougall]

@Mac I want to see how Golden responds to that. Other than the mods giving Salacious a pass for effort (I find that unlikely at best) I have little to disagree with about that analysis.

@Spacedaisy Good to hear.

Either the mods gave him a pass on account of Brian not making it fair by disappearing or the secrets in the role allow him to forgo it in another way, because nobody died unusually on day 2 despite Brian not outwardly displaying amusement at anybody.

And mods will adjust things like that on the fly for the balance of the game. If Golden was mod killed on day 2 because Brian didn't show up long enough for him to give him his free pass it would have sucked hard for the balance of the game and indeed for Golden.

[a2thezebra]

@Mac I want to see how Golden responds to that. Other than the mods giving Salacious a pass for effort (I find that unlikely at best) I have little to disagree with about that analysis.

@Spacedaisy Good to hear.

Either the mods gave him a pass on account of Brian not making it fair by disappearing or the secrets in the role allow him to forgo it in another way, because nobody died unusually on day 2 despite Brian not outwardly displaying amusement at anybody.

And mods will adjust things like that on the fly for the balance of the game. If Golden was mod killed on day 2 because Brian didn't show up long enough for him to give him his free pass it would have sucked hard for the balance of the game and indeed for Golden.

This is exactly why I think the in-thread amusement game mechanic that you're suggesting is not the reality, though I admit your analysis has damaged my confidence there. Since Crumb has secrets, I'm more inclined to think that his way of amusing Jabba is something that is not so easily visible and detectable in-thread.

[MacDougall]

@Mac I want to see how Golden responds to that. Other than the mods giving Salacious a pass for effort (I find that unlikely at best) I have little to disagree with about that analysis.

@Spacedaisy Good to hear.

Either the mods gave him a pass on account of Brian not making it fair by disappearing or the secrets in the role allow him to forgo it in another way, because nobody died unusually on day 2 despite Brian not outwardly displaying amusement at anybody.

And mods will adjust things like that on the fly for the balance of the game. If Golden was mod killed on day 2 because Brian didn't show up long enough for him to give him his free pass it would have sucked hard for the balance of the game and indeed for Golden.

This is exactly why I think the in-thread amusement game mechanic that you're suggesting is not the reality, though I admit your analysis has damaged my confidence there. Since Crumb has secrets, I'm more inclined to think that his way of amusing Jabba is something that is not so easily visible and detectable in-thread.

Even so, everything else still occurred.

[MacDougall]

I would imagine the secrets contains at the very least the terminology that Jabba has to use, and is a secret so it isn't so damn obvious to us as to what it is. Sure.

[a2thezebra]

I concede that, which is why I admit my confidence in the connection not being likely is damaged.

Mac, do you think Enrique was actually poisoned or did he make that up?

linki - That secret terminology being "lol"? If that's it, I don't think it's secret enough. I think there's something more.

[MacDougall]

I concede that, which is why I admit my confidence in the connection not being likely is damaged.

Mac, do you think Enrique was actually poisoned or did he make that up?

linki - That secret terminology being "lol"? If that's it, I don't think it's secret enough. I think there's something more.

All that notwithstanding, he's the only player in the game who has tried to be funny countless times and literally wrote Brian in one of his memes. And then the half a dozen other things I pointed out.

[a2thezebra]

Again, I concede that.

[MacDougall]

I gotta say Zebra your tactful responses here are unnerving. Very cautious about what you're saying here... Worried about the fact that I might dredge up the part where I think you are his Hutt buddy?

[MacDougall]

[a2thezebra]

I gotta say Zebra your tactful responses here are unnerving. Very cautious about what you're saying here... Worried about the fact that I might dredge up the part where I think you are his Hutt buddy?

I'm worried that your tactful lack of response to my question about Enrique while you instead repeat that everything else stands dadadada is because you know something that I don't about all of this.

[MacDougall]

I gotta say Zebra your tactful responses here are unnerving. Very cautious about what you're saying here... Worried about the fact that I might dredge up the part where I think you are his Hutt buddy?

I'm worried that your tactful lack of response to my question about Enrique while you instead repeat that everything else stands dadadada is because you know something that I don't about all of this.

Oh sorry the answer to that question is I have no idea.

[MacDougall]

Now sorry I go sleep bye

Lynch golden he bad real bad etc. etc.

[a2thezebra]

I gotta say Zebra your tactful responses here are unnerving. Very cautious about what you're saying here... Worried about the fact that I might dredge up the part where I think you are his Hutt buddy?

I'm worried that your tactful lack of response to my question about Enrique while you instead repeat that everything else stands dadadada is because you know something that I don't about all of this.

Oh sorry the answer to that question is I have no idea.

You don't lean one way or the other about whether or not Enrique was actually poisoned? Not even a little bit?

[a2thezebra]

Now sorry I go sleep bye

Lynch golden he bad real bad etc. etc.

Don't apologize for going to sleep lmao

[MacDougall]

I gotta say Zebra your tactful responses here are unnerving. Very cautious about what you're saying here... Worried about the fact that I might dredge up the part where I think you are his Hutt buddy?

I'm worried that your tactful lack of response to my question about Enrique while you instead repeat that everything else stands dadadada is because you know something that I don't about all of this.

Oh sorry the answer to that question is I have no idea.

You don't lean one way or the other about whether or not Enrique was actually poisoned? Not even a little bit?

I didn't think he was lying at the time. What's the point of the question?

Let me go sleep!

[Canucklehead]

@Mac I want to see how Golden responds to that. Other than the mods giving Salacious a pass for effort (I find that unlikely at best) I have little to disagree with about that analysis.

@Spacedaisy Good to hear.

Either the mods gave him a pass on account of Brian not making it fair by disappearing or the secrets in the role allow him to forgo it in another way, because nobody died unusually on day 2 despite Brian not outwardly displaying amusement at anybody.

And mods will adjust things like that on the fly for the balance of the game. If Golden was mod killed on day 2 because Brian didn't show up long enough for him to give him his free pass it would have sucked hard for the balance of the game and indeed for Golden.

This is exactly why I think the in-thread amusement game mechanic that you're suggesting is not the reality, though I admit your analysis has damaged my confidence there. Since Crumb has secrets, I'm more inclined to think that his way of amusing Jabba is something that is not so easily visible and detectable in-thread.

But this is a mechanic that Epi has used before...so it has been the reality in the past, at lease.

[a2thezebra]

I gotta say Zebra your tactful responses here are unnerving. Very cautious about what you're saying here... Worried about the fact that I might dredge up the part where I think you are his Hutt buddy?

I'm worried that your tactful lack of response to my question about Enrique while you instead repeat that everything else stands dadadada is because you know something that I don't about all of this.

Oh sorry the answer to that question is I have no idea.

You don't lean one way or the other about whether or not Enrique was actually poisoned? Not even a little bit?

I didn't think he was lying at the time. What's the point of the question?

Let me go sleep!

I'm not forcing you to stay awake, answer these whenever you want (or never) if you wish. I didn't think he was lying at the time either, but what about in hindsight now that we know he was bad...and a Hutt? I can't say the point of my question yet because I want to see what kind of answers I get from you as well as others.

[a2thezebra]

@Mac I want to see how Golden responds to that. Other than the mods giving Salacious a pass for effort (I find that unlikely at best) I have little to disagree with about that analysis.

@Spacedaisy Good to hear.

Either the mods gave him a pass on account of Brian not making it fair by disappearing or the secrets in the role allow him to forgo it in another way, because nobody died unusually on day 2 despite Brian not outwardly displaying amusement at anybody.

And mods will adjust things like that on the fly for the balance of the game. If Golden was mod killed on day 2 because Brian didn't show up long enough for him to give him his free pass it would have sucked hard for the balance of the game and indeed for Golden.

This is exactly why I think the in-thread amusement game mechanic that you're suggesting is not the reality, though I admit your analysis has damaged my confidence there. Since Crumb has secrets, I'm more inclined to think that his way of amusing Jabba is something that is not so easily visible and detectable in-thread.

But this is a mechanic that Epi has used before...so it has been the reality in the past, at lease.

True, but would Epi/DH give Crumb a pass?

[Matt]

So last night, I read from pages 19 to 23 (and that took like, an effiin' hour), then the site went down. So that was swell.

I work at 5 today (it's 11:35 now), will be focusing on catching up today, tonight after work, as long as it takes. Do me a favor and don't post so much, everyone? Haha j/k I'm sure I'll be fine.

I did read from my last post to now, so I'm guessing Mac has a theory on Jabba as I did?

Mac - I did mention Black Rock, but I also mentioned that it was GOLDEN who corrected Black Rock on what G2H means, and it was Golden's post that Bcornett replied and made a "lol", so if your theory is that Golden is Salacious Crumb, then my idea works with that as well.

Anywho, off to catch up. Yay.

[a2thezebra]

I very much look forward to your updated thoughts, Matt.

[Matt]

I very much look forward to your updated thoughts, Matt.

It's kind of cool reading the thread knowing Simon is R2, Bass is Ackbar, Enrique is Greedo, BC is Jabba. And that Savage is killed by Empire, DDL killed by Hutts.

And of course, I'm sure everyone is looking forward to my thoughts.

[a2thezebra]

Don't forget the Hutts killing Metalmarsh89 when he was in the middle of a fucking 2+ hour ISO analysis.

[Matt]

Don't forget the Hutts killing Metalmarsh89 when he was in the middle of a fucking 2+ hour ISO analysis.

But I didn't see that on the first page. Is that not updated?

[a2thezebra]

Don't forget the Hutts killing Metalmarsh89 when he was in the middle of a fucking 2+ hour ISO analysis.

But I didn't see that on the first page. Is that not updated?

I mean it's DH so....

it's a joke please don't modkill me DH

[Matt]

Lol

Anyway, the polls thread kinda sucks cuz some of them seem to be cut off and I can't see every vote.

Knowing DDL and Metalmarsh voted for Roxy on Day 2 (haven't gone farther then that on polls, I have three mafia tabs open right now ), does this mean the Hutts are attempting to frame Roxy or is this a reverse psychology thing? Perhaps the Hutts didn't even realize DDL and MM voted Roxy Day 2.

Back to rereading.

[Golden]

I have made an executive decision.

I am no longer reading any of the thread stuff about how I am bad coming from the mouth of mac.

Mac keeps saying he will take different angles, but he doesn't.

I'm just going to ask one thing - either lynch me, or lynch Mac.

I will continue to vote Mac every single day until this is resolved. I believe very firmly that he is doubling down on a ploy.

But lynching me is also fine with me.

[Golden]

@Mac I want to see how Golden responds to that. Other than the mods giving Salacious a pass for effort (I find that unlikely at best) I have little to disagree with about that analysis.

@Spacedaisy Good to hear.

I'm responding to it with...

I think anyone who knows my game should know Mac is talking a pile of steaming shit.

I think people are really very fooled by him, and think he is being genuine when he is not.

And I hope that, if people are buying it, that they lynch me.

And I deeply hope they LISTEN TO ME, after I'm dead, and lynch Mac tomorrow. Because I'm telling you guys, Mac IS team hutt.

[a2thezebra]

Golden, do you think Enrique was actually poisoned in hindsight of his flip?

[Golden]

Firstly, I don't understand why Golden thinks Matt's/Mac's theory is crazy, especially since he played Rober Rabbit where I invented a very similar gambit to catch ALLTHE BADDIES HAHAHAHAHHAHHAA, which Epi liked....unless, of course, Golden is bad. He's claiming he had a role similar to Crumb in that game, and I don't remember that....but maybe it was just because I was too wrapped up in CATCHING ALL THE BADDIES HAHAHHAHHAAHHAH.
Regardless, there is NO REASON that Golden should be pushing back so crazily against this idea of Mac's because, like, it has literally been done in an Epi game before. So Golden suggesting Mac is wrong is fine....but suggesting that the whole idea is preposterous is......preposterous.

And to be honest, I actually agree with Mac that the whole real-life-personal-ethics bets should be off the table. Dog bets, too, but I give less shits about those.

I'm not suggesting the theory is preposterous.

I'm suggesting him calling me a 'confirmed scum' essentially entirely because brian laughed at my posts is preposterous.

But whatevs, I'm over it.

I wanted to play this game for fun. It's not fun for me when someone builds a tunnel longer than the chunnel on me, even though I've provided plenty of hints at my actual role.

Being lynched for me right now would be a GOOD THING. And if people buy Mac more than me, they should get on with it and lynch me.

[Ricochet]

Hi.



Bye.

[Golden]

Golden, do you think Enrique was actually poisoned in hindsight of his flip?

Has anyone else been poisoned?

We have no evidence that he was. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a ploy, but I probably wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Matt]

I would say "Why in the heck, if civ, is Golden asking to be lynched?" but then I realize I've seen this from civ Golden before.

Anyway, back to rereading.

Notes thus far - Enrique seems to be pushing a Russ lynch a lot. Elohcin defended both Bass and Enrique, at one point called Enrique's post "very genuine".

[Matt]

Hosts - Even though they didn't share btsc, did the Hutts know who Greedo was and vice versa?

[Golden]

In case people want to know why I can't be bothered responding.... today I have to:

Write a sermon
Do my Christmas Shopping
Sing carols for three hours
Do an exhorbitant amount of housework because this is the last Saturday I have free before going to Australia.

I answered Mac's case very rationally and calmly yesterday, and he ignored it, or just turned my words against me.

To me, it is disappointing that I'm getting suspected for things that I literally do every game, and that are never scum tells. In Roger Rabbit, Canuck, you should remember I was Roger Rabbit, and I got an extra vote for every person I got to laugh at me. I had to get about 8 people to laugh at me. You say 'you forget I had that role', but did I ever use one meme in that game? No.

BC and Mac's case on me... they both used as a central plank how much fun I seem to be having or how I'm making jokes. For me, that's what I do - it's what I do in every single game, it's what I've always done, and in this game I have a theme that I know so well that I can do things like memes because I know what I'm talking about. And I've enjoyed every second of that.

Mac's case is daft because Crumb and Hutt are on the SAME TEAM. If it was as simple as lols in the thread, that would be utterly stupid. He could literally quote whatever I said and say lol. Why would it need to be a meme? I wouldn't have actually had to 'amuse him'. He would just have had to agree with him in btsc that he would post 'lol' in the thread. That wouldn't be fun in the slightest. Compare it to your thing, canuck, which was fun and awesome.

For me, I don't actually want to play mafia at all if I'm going to get suspected for having fun. It is the most lame, stupid thing I could ever be suspected for. And after I'm lynched in this game and you all see its an utter crock, and that I am, as I've given plenty of people many statements to check... NOT team Hutt, NOT team empire, NOT bad in any way at all, then please don't anyone ever build a case based on me having fun again.

[Matt]

Golden - I'm not going to presume to know what Crumb's secret is, but I also won't simply dismiss an idea either.

It says Crumb has to amuse his master, Jabba. Jabba was Bcornett. Bcornett was amused by you, apparently twice.

That isn't "daft", it's logical IMO.

Oh, and in the time it took you to tell us about singing christmas carols, you could've responded to Mac whatever Zebra asked you to respond to.

Derp. Back to rereading.

[Golden]

Oh, and in the time it took you to tell us about singing christmas carols, you could've responded to Mac whatever Zebra asked you to respond to.

No, you don't understand.

I'm not going to READ Mac.

If I do, it will take up my entire day.

[Golden]

And, in all seriousness Matt, anyone who thinks the theory has any merit should vote for me.

Right now, just stop talking to me and vote for me.

Please.

[Matt]

And, in all seriousness Matt, anyone who thinks the theory has any merit should vote for me.

Right now, just stop talking to me and vote for me.

Please.

Golden

If that's really how you wanna play it

[Matt]

Haha j/k.

But for real, chill. I might vote for you if you keep up with the "I'm not going to read people and I don't want discussion just vote for me" tantrum.