Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Long Con]

He was adamantly defending Boomslang in ways that made me very confused. Maybe he hid behind Boomslang on night 1?

Then why wasn't Boomslang higher?

To protect him from baddies who would hunt the most Civvish-looking folk? I want to go through each of HBoy's posts, from the start, to see if there are any clues or hints as to who he hid behind. I pray that he was a savvy enough player to give keen detectives the means to know. Cos it ain't us that's gonna lose this fight, it's the baddies. We just need to use this info.

Info like the fact that Kubrick survives a lynch on Position 1. My theory (and I think I saw Rico(?) going the same way with this) is that the Night Polls are used to decide the Position for the next Phase. If this is true, then we were on Position 5 when JJJ survived the lynch. Which would mean that JJJ isn't Kubrick, which looks good on him.

We have seen the ability to force Positions as well. (Just typing as I think here, haven't looked back to double-check Lorab's ability to force lynches with two Civ lynches.) If JJJ is Kubrick on Lorab's team was he in a Position to get a forced Position 1? Zebra's flip was a night kill, so that wasn't going to disrupt. I think we had two Civ lynches, Day 1 Rico, Day 2 sig. Ok, I thought this post was going toward trusting JJJ more, but this is a real possibility. If there are any Civs or Independents out there that have Positions, then you now have good reason to believe whether or not JJJ was Kubrick. I hope, either way, that this knowledge can influence things going forward.

I hope my previous theory about just one baddie team being Position-related is untrue.

[Long Con]

Hamburger Boy was Hider - The Syndicate, a CIVVIE
Hides behind a player each night. If the player is civilian, no harm will come to the Hider. If he hides behind a baddie, he will die

People have been talking about HBoy hiding behind an Indy, but that doesn't seem accurate. He dies when he hides behind a baddie. I assume an Indy has no effect.

Just started combing his posts, and his first post is here. So I think maybe he didn't send a Hiding target in on Night 0, meaning his Day 1 posts will not indicate a found Civvie/Indy. However, his posts (likely more toward Night 1) may give an indication as to who he is targeting.

[Matt]

Dom - One of FZ, 3J, or MM. We're reaching "painting a target" territory, though, and I'd rather not speculate further. But now I'm wondering if I should move on from my MM sus.

Looking over Ham's posts, he seems to immediately make a rainbow with Fuzz as his top green on Day 2. Derp.

[Long Con]

Well now I've been thinking, hosts, do powers go through on the night someone dies?

Ok... by the Positions/Night Polls theory, we were on Position 4 on Day 1, Position 5 on Day 2, and Position 5 again for Day 3.

Roger Rabbit - Who Framed Roger Rabbit~ A BADDIE
In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

I don't know what Position we started in on Night 0, but it's at least 80% likely that she was able to curse JJJ with the Smilies.

And on Night 1, she was in Position 4, so she could frame a player... did not target sig, obviously. So the only thing I would get from that is that, if there is a Civ rolechecker, be aware that a Grand Coincidence could have happened and your target was also her target, etc. Pretty unlikely though.

And she died Night 1, so that's that for her.

[Turnip Head]

Well now I've been thinking, hosts, do powers go through on the night someone dies?

Yes.

[Long Con]

This is the something I just can't miss, I believe that RadicalFuzz was HBoy's night 1 target, as Matt postulates.

I have no information and am not doubtless that she is town.

That's about BR on Day 3.0. An indication that he hid behind her? I don't know, I guess what he said means the opposite. It's phrased weirdly.

It's getting late, and I have been a bit distracted, and HBoy has a lot of posts from Day 3.0 onward. So maybe tomorrow I'll get to scanning those.

[Long Con]

Hosts, you know you can do it - tell us if failed kills show up in the night post?

[Ricochet]

Oh no, that's a horrible night. Epignosis was actually my friend this game, and he wasn't being nice to me because he was bad and learned the secret to keeping BR off his back.

What do you mean?

A role has been revealed!

Stanley Kubrick, A BADDIE:

On Position 1, cannot be lynched. On any other position, cannot be night killed

Hmm, I wonder?

What are you wondering about?

Which player was recently not lynched?

When did position 1 ever receive the most votes? ... Actually, hold that thought, I just read LC's post.

He was adamantly defending Boomslang in ways that made me very confused. Maybe he hid behind Boomslang on night 1?

Then why wasn't Boomslang higher?

In principle, would you put confirmed (for you) civs on the top of your reads?

RIP Golden/HBoy/Epig(?)

If someone gets a rezz power or wins one, use it on Ham and we get a free lynch.

Is it possible Golden's teamie was a lynch candidate during the 4 way tie, and that's why Golden was getting so irate about it?

Who do you think?

Why should we look for the civvie, instead of baddies, in that equation?

We have seen the ability to force Positions as well. (Just typing as I think here, haven't looked back to double-check Lorab's ability to force lynches with two Civ lynches.) If JJJ is Kubrick on Lorab's team was he in a Position to get a forced Position 1? Zebra's flip was a night kill, so that wasn't going to disrupt. I think we had two Civ lynches, Day 1 Rico, Day 2 sig. Ok, I thought this post was going toward trusting JJJ more, but this is a real possibility. If there are any Civs or Independents out there that have Positions, then you now have good reason to believe whether or not JJJ was Kubrick. I hope, either way, that this knowledge can influence things going forward.

Hmm.

Hmmm.

This could be something. I forgot to take account of my own lynch - for obvious reasons (what is dead may never die) - but technically there were two consecutive mislynches, so LoRab could have forced the positions on Night 2. If she forced Position 1, then JJJ is a Kubrick prime suspect for surviving D3.0.

Hamburger Boy was Hider - The Syndicate, a CIVVIE
Hides behind a player each night. If the player is civilian, no harm will come to the Hider. If he hides behind a baddie, he will die

People have been talking about HBoy hiding behind an Indy, but that doesn't seem accurate. He dies when he hides behind a baddie. I assume an Indy has no effect.

It had no effect on indy in Syndicate, as far as I recall. "Baddie" means mafia team(s), I think.

Well now I've been thinking, hosts, do powers go through on the night someone dies?

Ok... by the Positions/Night Polls theory, we were on Position 4 on Day 1, Position 5 on Day 2, and Position 5 again for Day 3.

Roger Rabbit - Who Framed Roger Rabbit~ A BADDIE
In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

I don't know what Position we started in on Night 0, but it's at least 80% likely that she was able to curse JJJ with the Smilies.

And on Night 1, she was in Position 4, so she could frame a player... did not target sig, obviously. So the only thing I would get from that is that, if there is a Civ rolechecker, be aware that a Grand Coincidence could have happened and your target was also her target, etc. Pretty unlikely though.

And she died Night 1, so that's that for her.

Dammit, this looks possible as well. One of us civvies could show up corrupted. So far, thought, none of the baddie flips give me the impression they're faux-aligned.

[Matt]

LC/Rico

If night polls determine the position each night, is it possible there was no position on Night 0 or do you think the hosts would've randomized the position on Night 0?

3J was cursed with Smilies on Day 1 so it would've had to be sent on Night 0. If there was no position, there would technically be no curse, right?

Off to bed, peeps. See ya all tomorrow!

[Ricochet]

Why would there be no position result out of the N0 poll? Why would the Hosts randomize??

[MacDougall]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills but he has a point actually I think? If the night 0 poll was what made the first position, then how could Zebra have been in a position to curse Jimmy on night 0? Unless they started in a random position I suppose. It seems strange that she would start in a position that allowed her to use the role?

[Ricochet]

Night 0 had no position, so zebra cursed JJJ. Night 1 had position 4, allowing zebra to corrupt a civ's flip.

[Ricochet]

...although I get now what you're saying. The way the role is phrase, zebra would need a position to curse as well.....

[Ricochet]

If the puzzle pieces really fit this way, all baddie reveals could ironically make JJJ look very bad, especially the Kubrick reveal.

-- teamie JJJ could have faked the emoji curse, following a Night 0 in which teamie zebra had no position to curse; zebra got then rekt, but we weren't careful at her role's phrasing to tell there couldn't be any emoji curse on D1
-- teamie LoRab forced position 1 on N2, granting teamie JJJ lynch immunity on D3, which turns out he really needed
-- teamie JJJ continues ballsy game with lynch immunity claim
-- teamie LoRab gets rekt D3.5 and Kubrick role gets revealed

[S~V~S]

In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

On Day Zero, for this situation, it was NOT Day 4, so that was interpreted as "any other position". Anything NOT Position 4. Sorry for confusion.

[FZ.]

RIP Golden, HB and Epi. I am really really saddened by this result. I'll miss you Golden!
Both HB and Golden were pretty obvious civvies. As for Epi, I had a feeling he was an indie role, because he was reserved, but I didn't think it was a killing role. I don't share your enthusiasm some of you do, about him being killed, because Epi always thinks these kind of roles could help the town. I imagine that if it wouldn't hurt him, he would help the town. Maybe not to the end, but at least in major parts of the game. I could be wrong, but that's how I feel. He did help us get Lorab, so I think baddies saw him as a real threat.

As for HB and whether his death happened because he was hiding behind a baddie, I doubt he hid behind Drac, because at the end of the last day, he didn't trust him enough. He didn't trust BR enough, though he was coming around regarding her. I still think he didn't hide behind her. He had to have hid behind a person he trusted. I don't think he'd take the chance and "explore" those he wasn't sure about.

If he was leaving crumbs for us to find in case he dies. These are the two people he talked about having a gut feel that they may be civvies:

What makes you put MetalMarsh immediately below Dom/Llama? I could agree with it in the "compatible but not indicative" sense of things but compared to people like Wilgy that have the supportive post history and the questionable voting records, I'd put MM towards the bottom of the lynch. Otherwise, I think I mostly agree with your analysis. I'm also leaning civvie on Long Con only because he's had some interactions with Dom that look like too obvious of buddying from the latter to be scummates, but of course Dom isn't a 100% done deal yet.

He also mentions MM here, but I'm not sure if it means he feels he's a civ.

The second person:

Oh, and one more thing, do you guys feel DharmaHelper would be the kind of guy to stick his neck out, defending a scummate and attacking the alternative so aggressively as he's done? In spite of the LoRab flip I'm still getting a civvie gutfeel from him, because at least I feel the mindset he's used to express his cases so far is what I would expect from a Syndicater (regarding his general dislike of counter-wagons building so rapidly and all that).

He says DH is acting like how he expects a syndicater to act, and he's getting a civvie gutfeel.

So I would assume it's either one of these two, or one of Lorab's voters. If Epi is not it, then it leaves Sorsha, BR and Ninju. I think his rainbow list should not be the one guiding us, because it was before the lynch and he's changed his mind on a few people. I think that he would try to leave clues in case it didn't work, and telling us who he feels is a civ, during the night, is a good way of doing so. His last post is about DH.

The only problem is, we don't know if he died because of that or not.

[FZ.]

SVS, I don't know if you answered this or not, but would HB die if he was hiding behind a killing indie?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh joy, another reason to waste time talking about JJJ.

I can hardly even follow the thread of the theories y'all are throwing out there, but this is where it should be stopping hard and with finality:

-- teamie JJJ could have faked the emoji curse, following a Night 0 in which teamie zebra had no position to curse; zebra got then rekt, but we weren't careful at her role's phrasing to tell there couldn't be any emoji curse on D1

If you think I'd fake a curse in a scenario where it wouldn't actually suit my partner's role -- i.e. it'd be impossible for that curse to be real -- then you don't know anything about me as a Mafia player. I don't just rely on people to miss details.

I don't know what mechanic allows for these roles to be revealed, but I'm just going to assume the baddies dropped it in the thread so y'all can tinfoil me all day. If not, they're still loving it.

Meanwhile, one of Dom/llama is pretty clearly a bad guy, so you can go ahead and direct your focuses that way. I don't have time today to provide much, but I might tomorrow.

[Ricochet]

In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

On Day Zero, for this situation, it was NOT Day 4, so that was interpreted as "any other position". Anything NOT Position 4. Sorry for confusion.

Question is: was Rabbit able to curse or not on N0?

[Ricochet]

I just got an idea of what event could have facilitated Epig to kill. An "encounter" of sorts. Question is: did they meet already or didn't they?

[Ricochet]

Oh joy, another reason to waste time talking about JJJ.

I can hardly even follow the thread of the theories y'all are throwing out there, but this is where it should be stopping hard and with finality:

-- teamie JJJ could have faked the emoji curse, following a Night 0 in which teamie zebra had no position to curse; zebra got then rekt, but we weren't careful at her role's phrasing to tell there couldn't be any emoji curse on D1

If you think I'd fake a curse in a scenario where it wouldn't actually suit my partner's role -- i.e. it'd be impossible for that curse to be real -- then you don't know anything about me as a Mafia player. I don't just rely on people to miss details.

I don't know what mechanic allows for these roles to be revealed, but I'm just going to assume the baddies dropped it in the thread so y'all can tinfoil me all day. If not, they're still loving it.

Meanwhile, one of Dom/llama is pretty clearly a bad guy, so you can go ahead and direct your focuses that way. I don't have time today to provide much, but I might tomorrow.

The curse scenario needs to be clarified. Also, what are you implying? That it wasn't real? Wasn't the curse real because you posted in a cursed way?

Com'on, that's a stretch. We already have a dead civvie (Barry Allen) who could have tried to work his guessing magic and revealed roles. Why not assume another, or an indy, can be up to the same task (either via checking, tracking, or [Secrets])? Intentional mafia smearing? This is a bit of an anxious viewpoint, coming from you.

[FZ.]

For what it's worth, I stopped paying attention to the theories regarding JJJ as well.
I think Golden was killed not just for being right about Lorab, but for being right about other important issues and players, like his stance on me and JJJ. I'm not ruling out a situation where HB was killed as well, and not due to the hiding thing. I felt both players were not suspected by people, and were doing a very good job of analysing evidence and thinking logically instead of following bandwagons and giving shitty reasons for suspecting people.

It would be much better though, if HB was killed due to circumstances of his role, though, because it means we might come closer to finding a baddie.

[S~V~S]

In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

On Day Zero, for this situation, it was NOT Day 4, so that was interpreted as "any other position". Anything NOT Position 4. Sorry for confusion.

Question is: was Rabbit able to curse or not on N0?

On Day 0, the position was "not 4", it was the alternative to position 4. There is your answer

[S~V~S]

SVS, I don't know if you answered this or not, but would HB die if he was hiding behind a killing indie?

I have NOT answered this; perhaps TH has? Or he might consider it, lol?

[Turnip Head]

SVS, I don't know if you answered this or not, but would HB die if he was hiding behind a killing indie?

I have NOT answered this; perhaps TH has? Or he might consider it, lol?

It wasn't addressed to me ( ), but a role like the Hider would die if he hides behind anyone who directly opposes his win condition.

[Ricochet]

In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

On Day Zero, for this situation, it was NOT Day 4, so that was interpreted as "any other position". Anything NOT Position 4. Sorry for confusion.

Question is: was Rabbit able to curse or not on N0?

On Day 0, the position was "not 4", it was the alternative to position 4. There is your answer

Got it.

That lifts the JJJ faking his curse angle.

SVS, I don't know if you answered this or not, but would HB die if he was hiding behind a killing indie?

I have NOT answered this; perhaps TH has? Or he might consider it, lol?

It wasn't addressed to me ( ), but a role like the Hider would die if he hides behind anyone who directly opposes his win condition.

Ooh, interesting.

[Dom]

Hey, Dom, what did Rodgers do in Broadway? What's the special event that could make (or have made) Epig start killing? (besides running out of beer)

Get off my boat dammit.

Tra la la

Finding Hammerstein.

[Ricochet]

I somehow doubt Hammerstein is also included, for that sheer purpose, but yeah, finding "someone" is what I have in mind. Different someone, though.

[Long Con]

If JaggedJimmyJay is Duncan Idaho, then why wouldn't he vote for that option in the Day 0 poll? 1. It would lend credence to a role claim when there is an attempt on his life. 2. It could cause the baddies to second-guess a kill attempt on him, if they think it might fail. Tell me that you understand.

Sorry to be so JJJ all the time Jimmy, but the fact that new reasons to suspect you keep coming up and compounding the old ones is too much to ignore. *votes JaggedJimmyJay*

[Ricochet]

Players signaling their roles, intents or possible abilities through night poll voting is a bit stretchy to demand. Should I count you as a potential Kubrick for voting position 1 twice, for instance? [hollow eyes]

What new reasons compell you to lock on to voting JJJ, now that the curse issue seems clarified?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not Duncan Idaho. I don't even know what that is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Voting for thellama73.

If you don't know why, refer to my LoRab review about him (which will direct you to the review about Dom, so you could just go there instead if you want).

[Ricochet]

Again, I could acknowledge the existence of a one-time lynch/nk immune civvie, for balance reasons, now that Kubrick has been revealed to us. Not fully certain which of them JJJ is, but there you go.

[Long Con]

Players signaling their roles, intents or possible abilities through night poll voting is a bit stretchy to demand. Should I count you as a potential Kubrick for voting position 1 twice, for instance? [hollow eyes]

What new reasons compell you to lock on to voting JJJ, now that the curse issue seems clarified?

The "curse issue" was never something I took part in, nor would I have. I assumed in my original theory that the Night 0 Position would default to cursing for Zebra ("at least 80% likely"). I can tell by the clouds, as they say.

Signalling a role, especially that role, is something I would expect. I'd do it. I did it, and so did DFaraday.. I'm not "demanding" it, I'm just saying that, had JJJ voted Duncan, it would have been a positive for me toward him. It's a push to believing he's Civ that could have been there, but isn't.

That's not the "compelling new reasons" that you're asking about though. My new reasons came from when I was analyzing the Positions by Night Post and found that Position 1 wasn't active when JJJ survived. Which is a good thing, and I thought he'd look more Civ for it. But then I thought about Lorab's role, and how she almost definitely did force the Positions that night. If she's on Kubrick's team, then going Position 1 for him would be a strong contender, especially if he's under fire like JJJ.

Yes, actually, you should count me as a potential Kubrick for voting Position 1 twice. I think that kind of analysis of Position voting is a smart thing to do, good information to have. And one might look at the fact that JJJ didn't vote for Position 1 on Night 2... but if they were controlling the Position, then he would have no reason to.

[Ricochet]

Ah, yes, everyone signaled themselves in Home Alone.

[Ricochet]

JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

[DharmaHelper]

JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

Am I missing something with these polls clearly denoting the positions that people are voting for? Didn't the poll change in Recruitment depending on positions that were already picked?

[Black Rock]

Oh no, that's a horrible night. Epignosis was actually my friend this game, and he wasn't being nice to me because he was bad and learned the secret to keeping BR off his back.

What do you mean?

About keeping me off his back?

[Ricochet]

JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

Am I missing something with these polls clearly denoting the positions that people are voting for? Didn't the poll change in Recruitment depending on positions that were already picked?

I'm fairly sure that every Night poll having five options denotes positions 1 to 5, whatever the options actually are.

[Ricochet]

Oh no, that's a horrible night. Epignosis was actually my friend this game, and he wasn't being nice to me because he was bad and learned the secret to keeping BR off his back.

What do you mean?

About keeping me off his back?

about "my friend this game" and "learned the secret to" yeah that last part too.

[DharmaHelper]

JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

Am I missing something with these polls clearly denoting the positions that people are voting for? Didn't the poll change in Recruitment depending on positions that were already picked?

I'm fairly sure that every Night poll having five options denotes positions 1 to 5, whatever the options actually are.

OK but isn't it at least equally likely the "real" options are moved around every time?

[Ricochet]

JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

Am I missing something with these polls clearly denoting the positions that people are voting for? Didn't the poll change in Recruitment depending on positions that were already picked?

I'm fairly sure that every Night poll having five options denotes positions 1 to 5, whatever the options actually are.

OK but isn't it at least equally likely the "real" options are moved around every time?

So far, it's been revealed the position suit the baddies, so why would the Hosts fark with the baddies by not even making it clear which positions they're winning??

[DharmaHelper]

JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

Am I missing something with these polls clearly denoting the positions that people are voting for? Didn't the poll change in Recruitment depending on positions that were already picked?

I'm fairly sure that every Night poll having five options denotes positions 1 to 5, whatever the options actually are.

OK but isn't it at least equally likely the "real" options are moved around every time?

So far, it's been revealed the position suit the baddies, so why would the Hosts fark with the baddies by not even making it clear which positions they're winning??

I suppose you've got me there.

[Marmot]

MM, tell me why you keep voting JJJ, first thing every Day, or I can't help you.

I have a gut feeling that he's mafia.

I also like seeing the poll and voting early.

[Black Rock]

Oh no, that's a horrible night. Epignosis was actually my friend this game, and he wasn't being nice to me because he was bad and learned the secret to keeping BR off his back.

What do you mean?

About keeping me off his back?

about "my friend this game" and "learned the secret to" yeah that last part too.

Epignosis likes to suspect me, or kill me I find. He was nice to me, he believed in me. I often swoon to flattery.

[Ricochet]

The real options are

Position 1

Position 2

Position 3

Position 4

DHPLS

linki: what's your favourite fruit, MM? Answer carefully.

[Black Rock]

With all the position talk and poll options = positions I just want to say this is not recruitment and the hosts might just switch it up. Maybe it's a set schedule or the baddies get to choose the poll options and what means what. That's what I'd do, but it's not my game.

Also, I love the hosts took that piece from recruitment. I loved the positions. Even though they took the cowards way out.

[FZ.]

At the sound of sounding stupid, I feel this whole position talk is Chinese to me, and I have no idea what you all are talking about. In addition, I just realized I forgot to vote in the night poll Is there a penalty for that?

[juliets]

I'm a little confused by what some people are saying about forcing a position. What does it mean to force a position?

[Long Con]

JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

JJJ only recently claimed he's not Duncan. Actually he acted like he didn't know what we were talking about with Duncan Idaho, even though it's been specifically laid out more than once in this game what Duncan Idaho is, not to mention that the name is officially stated to have at least a 25% chance of being in the game.

He had no problem with people theorizing he was Duncan before due to his lynch stop, but now he doesn't know what Duncan Idaho is. Uh-huh. You decide whatcha gonna do.

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

I don't know what you mean by Recruitment mentality. I feel very confident in assuming that Lorab's entire team didn't give a damn what Position they were voting that night because Lorab was controlling the Position. This is a fact.