[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

#7301

Wow 509378!

Prisoner 509378 · #7302

S~V~S wrote:Wow 509378!

Wait what'd I do?

Prisoner 509378 · #7303

If Scotty is bad then I get the impression that chaindeath is definitely not. He's basically using him as a human shield.

#7304

Prisoner 509378 wrote:If Scotty is bad then I get the impression that chaindeath is definitely not. He's basically using him as a human shield.

I had that relationship between the two on my mind for a while. It really just became a toss up between the two as to who I felt more comfortable voting for.

Prisoner 509378 · #7305

Also recall that llama suggested the earlier attempt(s) in the game to get chaindeath lynched were "scapegoating", and he strongly resisted a chaindeath lynch. Perhaps one reason he was killed was because the cops couldn't rely on him to contribute to easy mislynch #17.

#7306

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wow 509378!
Wait what'd I do?

All those wall o'quotes posts! I admre that, I do not excel at it.

OK, I am gonna start this & build over the course of the day. I am not a case builder. I think differetnly than most people, and read people more on tone more than content & quite often, after they make one statement, I will make a sudden decision that they are bad, and can't really explain it.

In real life, I have a superpower of sorts. I can tell when people believe what they are saying. Kind of like lying, but not really. It isn't foolproof (Mitt Romney, I had no idea, he hid the real him so well, I never could tell if he believed what he said or not; no real passion ever).

It does not translate online for the most part; when I first met him, I thought Llama was lying ALL THE TIME. We derailed a few games. With some people, though, I think I can read them very well that way. Scotty is one of them. So was LC. Anyone who has played with me a long time, like Dom or Black Rock, knows what I am talking about here. It is fairly useless in a game with 2 bad teams (unless I am on one of them) but it comes in handy on occasion in games where there are only one team, since the baddies KNOW the people they are "suspecting" aren't actually bad.

Scotty is playing this just like he played LOST Again, at least as regards me. In that game, he started making little remarks, not broad sweeping ones, or cases, but little jabs at me. And I could tell he did not believe it. He KNEW I was not bad. That's why he approached it the way he did. He left little poisonous seeds scattered about his posts.

He did the exact same thing here.

Then when I misinterpreted what Epignosis was saying about the timestamps, it suddenly hit me, and I did not just think it, Iknew it. Scotty was the Warden, he was making those posts around his crazy travel schedule.

I can't really prove it, I just really feel it. I think I can & will be able to prove he is at least bad. But in my heart, I think he is the Warden. So I will pull quotes as I find them (I need to look in LOST too) over the day. I am a shitty case maker, lol, and I don't like doing it. I am totally an intuitive player. But I will try. I will start by comparing his votes to his posts. AndI won't bother with Quin,lol, since 509378 dealt with that

No matter how ridiculous Scotty thinks it is

. He knew what I was saying when I asked him if he did not think I was playing my game like I played LOST Again.

This post is going to make me sound crazy, but whatever ha ha.

#7307

Maybe a better way to put it would be I can tell when they're acting. Like I can't watch reality shows, it kills me watching them fall for each others bullsuit.

#7308

And Scotty is acting. Intriguing how all the green suddenly disappeared.

Gonna be late for work so bye

Prisoner 509378 · #7309

I can believe that you're an intuitive player, S~V~S. That's a skill I definitely do not boast.

I'll continue to mull over the matter of Scotty and allow him to answer to your assertions before I pass total judgment. If you're right about him, and I do think there is substance to the case being unearthed in the present to augment your gut read, then that could be a significant breakthrough. Scotty's posts are pretty revealing for chaindeath and for Quin, and if we can eliminate enough people from the pool then the baddies will be stuck under a bright spotlight.

#7310

Day 3

sig wrote:Poor Matt and Wilgy, this isn't good. Two civs down in one night.

I am not mafia I will defend myself and have made my points, however I believe Golden is either mafia or tunneling and not willing to see that I am civ.

If sig has defended himself against the points I've raised against him, I've not seen them.

sig wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:Poor Matt and Wilgy, this isn't good. Two civs down in one night.

I am not mafia I will defend myself and have made my points, however I believe Golden is either mafia or tunneling and not willing to see that I am civ.
Which of these two scenarios do you think is true?
I want to say the first, but I don't want to tunnel on him in a No U kind off way. I do however, find his behavior surrounding the Fuzz lynch strange as well as the fact he became so sure and setting up bandwagons for today.

Another hedged accusation. "Golden is either mafia or not."

No kidding.

sig wrote:I'm not bad, I've never ever seen a CFD succeed, usually they are done by mafia to save teammates. I am town and was arguing against what I saw as a bad lynch. I'd had throughout the day expressed displeasure at the gleam wagon which just appeared imo with weak reasoning.

I also agree with Silver about her point on Golden. I do still believe he is mafia, however I'm less confident on Epi being scum.

Again, sig says the case against gleam was weak.

Regarding the underlined, I'm going to be paying close attention to how sig's "suspicion" of me developed.

sig wrote:I'd also say Golden is wrong here, more people have already defended LC then me, quin, or Enrique. I believe all three of us would be easier wagons then LC. I also find it quite troublesome he is ignoring LC last minute save of Fuzz. At the very least I was in the thread stating my views while LC wasn't and just appeared to tie the votes. How am I suspicious yet this isn't?

How indeed?

Now I'm going to tear this next post apart:

sig wrote:
indiglo wrote:Sig, I guess my pointed question for you here is why would you look at LC for his last minute save of Fuzz, when you actually voted after LC to break the tie between ika and Fuzz? Which vote here actually looks like a last minute save of Fuzz to you - yours or LC's?
LC and I both voted for Fuzz with under a minute to the deadline, I however was active throughout the day stating my points and views of the Fuzz lynch/CFD. LC on the other hand came in last minute and tied the vote. I'd say it is more likely he was an inactive mafia member who came in last minute in an attempt to save his teammate. I would never as mafia vote last minute to save my teammate it is to risky imo, espacilly since I could have voted to save Fuzz at anytime.

indiglo wrote:Sorry for the triple post (unless there's linki at the end of this), but the only other real trend I noticed from sig's ISO is that he defended Gleam hard. But, too many unknowns there to assume much, imo. I saw 0 interaction between Fuzz and sig in the thread.

@ Sig, also, how are you feeling currently about Gleam? Have your views shifted on him at all?
I'm torn between thinking Gleam is mafia and the CFD was pushed to save him and just backfired, I like the ISO on him and MM's point about his post seeming fake. However, I'd need to think about it some more. I still don't like the speed at which his wagon started at the beginning of the phase nor how quickly it disappeared I'm not sure what to think of it.

According to sig, the one actively defending the cop against a sudden and unexpected wave of votes looks better than the one who just came in and threw down a vote.

sig says he would never try to save a teammate at the last minute because it's too risky (read: probably a bad idea). First, sig didn't try to save Fuzz at the last minute. He was howling against the Fuzz lynch as soon as it got going. Second, sig accuses Long Con of doing something he himself thinks is a risky move (i.e., not a good idea). What this says is, "I would never save a teammate at the last minute, but Long Con would."

In the second paragraph, sig says he's "torn" about agleaminranks, and now is not sure what to think of how gleam's voters came and went.

In this single post, we have sig primed to vote out Long Con and agleaminranks (whom he had been calling good the entire time so far).

sig wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Again here. Right after ika calls him bad. He types this really fast.

Notice how this isn't a regular thing, Sig is perfectly capable of writing better constructed post in other situations.
Thank you? I think.

Why do you bring this up? EOD was close and I was typing quickly to get my points across are you saying this is an alignment indicator or? Your case agaisnt me has little to no bearing it seems your just tone reading and saying I'm bad since I was typing fast to get my point across? That makes no sense what so ever. I'll address Golden's points in a second, but you seem super scummy. Tell me what happened to your Gleam suspicions?

DDL seems "super scummy," a statement followed up with "Tell me what happened to your Gleam suspicions?" This is coming from a guy who just moments before flipped stance from "The gleam wagon is super scummy" to "I'm torn- maybe the CFD was to save gleam and it went horribly awry."

sig wrote:FIRST THING first. @DDL you say I'm conspiracy theorizing have you seen Golden's posts? Especially his latest against me? See that and Matt's case's are conspircay theories not my points. AND wait a second If I was mafia why would I be making conspiracy theories about who I think is scum? Which I'm not even really doing but whatever. What I did say is that CFD are in my experiences mainly used by the mafia hence the mafia was trying to save someone. I still believe the mafia committed a save day 1 with their last minute votes and we have almost lynched one of them two days in a row. I think one of the three leading people last phase was mafia, the mafia tried to redirect the bandwagon onto someone else other then Fuzz while at the same time bussing him. Which is what Golden did.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Yeah I had that feeling about Sig. He was conspiracy theorizing at every step, while Quin seemed more focused on his suspicion of me.

sig says that Golden tried to save a teammate by bussing a teammate.

After a successful Fuzz lynch, sig's preferred avenue is to lynch the runners up of Day 2. This is still his position. According to sig, this is how Day 2 looks:

Epignosis - Cop
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

ika -Undercover Cop
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

RadicalFuzz - Surveillance Specialist
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

Remember that ika used extra votes to lynch Fuzz. If ika is the undercover cop, it means that ika lynched a teammate who had valuable role at Night, and preserved someone whose power only comes into play when he flips. That makes zero sense.

I'm not a cop, ika wasn't a seemer, and sig needs to hang in the corner.

sig wrote:Also yes I did try to get people to vote for Epi I thought he was mafia. Your whole case surrounds the fact that your saying I was defending Fuzz and gleam at the same time OMG I WAS DEFENDING PEOPLE I MUST BE BAD. I never pretended that I wasn't defending Fuzz, I did try to get people to vote with me yes since I thought he was a civ and that Epi was mafia. I thought there was a higher chance Ika was mafia and since the Epi lynch wasn't happening I did the next best thing.

Regarding the underlined, that's just not how probability works. There's not a higher chance that ika is mafia if you can't get me lynched.

sig wrote:Wow the voters on me are so conspiratorial as is BK. I also think it is so funny Golden is completely ignoring LC vote and actions yet because I did the same thing he did PLUS being active I'm scum? I also like how LC is joining the wagon agaisnt people who voted to save Fuzz or for Ika just like he did. LC is mafia imo as is Golden.

This is sig's reaction to the votes he receives. Here's the poll:

Long Con
6
Turnip Head (12), Silverwolf (13), sig (18), a2thezebra (19), Serge (23), Quin (25) 23%

Nerolunar
4
Long Con (6), Epignosis (11), chaindeath (16), Dragon D. Luffy (24) 15%

sig
7
Scotty (4), ika (5), Golden (7), indiglo (8), Sloonei (14), Matt (22), Metalmarsh89 (26) 27%

sig wrote:
Golden wrote:
sig wrote:Wow the voters on me are so conspiratorial as is BK. I also think it is so funny Golden is completely ignoring LC vote and actions yet because I did the same thing he did PLUS being active I'm scum? I also like how LC is joining the wagon agaisnt people who voted to save Fuzz or for Ika just like he did. LC is mafia imo as is Golden.
Yeah, because declaring a teammate my first town read is really likely.

I just caught up with the thread and looked back through LC. I'm not voting that way.

I'm very comfortable with my sig vote.

I also found some of silverwolf's posts recently very pingworthy so I'm backing off my town read there. I could conceivably see her effort to save ika as an effort to make him perceive her as town too. I'll post in the next post some of the things I find particularly odd from her.
I'm not comfortable with it. Okay then maybe you aren't mafia it appears even Matt thinks I'm wrong here so I could let it rest, however I'm very confident LC is mafia.

Know I still do believe you are mafia, however I think there is less of chance. Compared to say LC or Sloonie. However, you're still very wrong about me.

sig backs off Golden but he "still [does] believe" he is Mafia. sig says he's very confident LC is mafia. This is important, because one could forgive sig's vote as self-preservation, but that's not why sig is voting LC: sig accused LC of trying to save Fuzz.

sig wrote:Gleam I see you! Recall how I defended you at my own risk how about you do me a solid and vote LC

sig wrote:Gleam if you think I'm civ then vote to save me.

Day 4:

agleaminranks
9
Sloonei (15), Silverwolf (16), Golden (18), ika (19), sig (20), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Scotty (23), indiglo (24), Turnip Head (25) 36%

sig wrote:7
Scotty (5), ika (6), Dragon D. Luffy (8), Golden (9), indiglo (10), Sloonei (17), Matt (24)
So Ika is a revenge vote, DDL is a No U, Golden is mega tunnely, Sloonei is another No U, and Matt is voting since he thinks MM is bad and that means since we agreed we must be teammates. lolz

So four of the people voting for me I suspected and had doubts about. So basically my wagon is filled with NO U people.

So your voting for Golden in a vote which will do nothing at all this phase but instead voting for the person your top suspect pushed? explain that to me.

Matt your insane why should I even consider helping you switch to MM which won't happen since there is no case on him when you have a vote on me. IN FACT YOU WANT MY HELP TO DO SO??? SO you want a player you think is scum to convince players to vote for someone you think is scum yet we are both scum?

sig wrote:Whoever got that loan shark votes should defiantly save me. If you don't it will hurt the civ's like alot.

This actually happened. Quin got votes and put them on Long Con.

sig wrote:Notice the people on my wagon aren't even here? This is so those who are scum can keep their vote on me in case of a CFD. If they where so confident why not log on to make sure it is working? They were able to post enough to preform a CFD and convince people to do it.

I don't understand this blanket accusation.

sig wrote:Okay one of the people defending me might be bad, they knew I would flip civ and thus give them civvie points. A few people have done this in the past. I don't like scotty's last post which Zebra mentioned. And for the faces I was building suspense since I was bored.

How does this make any sense?

sig wrote:If I was on a team with Quin why would he admit saving me? (thanks for that btw)

This is about the fourth or fifth time I've seen sig dismiss a point against him with some form of "I would never do that if bad." We have phrase for that around here.

sig wrote:
Sloonei wrote:To be fair the case can be made that it was a scummy thing to do regardless.
It could be, but if we where teammates why would he admit it? Quin was finally out of the spotlight and to admit that as mafia would be foolish espacilly if we are a team. In theory he could be mafia and saved me to make us spend another day wasted pursuing me, I flip civ he looks cleaner. I could understand that.
However, saying we are teammates it would make no sense for him to say he saved me. If we are teammates and he did this and then admitted he just linked us up and if I'm lynched today and were to flip scum he'd be next. See what I mean? it would make zero sense. My first theory makes more sense, but even then it is a stretch.

Or maybe he lied altogether and didn't save me and something else happened which prevented me from getting lynched? This could be the case, but why would he lie about saving me. Another scenario is there was another factor in play and while he did give me votes something else also contributed to saving me.

I do think the way Nero phrased it is scummy, this seems like him trying to set up a wagon. Which he tried to do in past games here as mafia. I think there is a good chance he is mafia. And I'm still convinced sloonie is mafia.

There it is again.

I can't wait to look at Day 4, when sig ends up voting for agleaminranks.

However, my family got invited to someone's house for a shindig, and I have the house to myself. That means I will be recording for the next several hours.

#7311

I see SVS has outlined her- for lack of a better word- "case" against me. It's based on meta, how she thinks I play when I'm bad. I sincerely hope you are bad, SVS, because if I hang your entire perception of meta might be shattered. You're piecing things in how you want to piece them in. I can't imagine that you aren't behind leading this witch chase back to me when we need most to not have another mislynch.

Are you seriously considering I look worse for wear because I'm not using green text? Because that's fucking bullshit.

i just made eggs

There. You happy?

I really don't want to believe you are bad, and I think we have better leads now than me or you, but do not outright get me lynched based on a meta "hunch" because you will lose this game [if you are good].

also I agree that i acting. Of course I'm acting. It's what I do by trade. That's why I'm traveling IRL. Everything i do has a flair, for sure, but it's still me. Acting is telling truths in imaginary circumstances. That's how I operate. Don't base my badness off of my behavior, but by my actions. Those are a lot harder to refute. If we were going by behavior, why the fuck is sig still alive? We've kept him around because, as DDL once said, "he is too scummy to be scummy". Whether or not sig is actually bad is not the point. The point is the standard by which you're accusing people needs to be exhibited across all people, and by makin a broad generalization about how you think I play is a dangerous game based on one of two games we've played together.

How bout this, SVS: look at the actions of my play in LOST and see if they all match up with this game. Then come back to me.

#7312

Quin wrote:Oh, how the tables have tabled.

@Quin did you really make my quote about being the Warden your sig?

You cheeky bastard!

#7313

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Scotty, what do you think of my logic on this point?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Regarding the chaindeath/Nerolunar dynamic: I might assert that if one of those two is to be lynched next (if), it should be Nero and not chaindeath. I think they're very easy to link to one another, but that has a lot more to do with what Nero has said than what chaindeath has said. Given the chance that the link was deliberately drawn by a cop Nero, I think he should be gone first. If anyone has reason to trust Nero, then by all means speak out.

It makes sense. I was throwing around the possibility that both could be bad, for sure. I haven't been wholly satisfied with how Nero has gone about voting or leading discussion for a while. What really perked up my ears was the departure from the sig wagon in day 3, then casually ignoring it. Followed by jumping back on it 2 days later as if we were all still talking about it. Don't have time to go back to specifically place when that happened, but I do remember it weird.

That being said, my hangup over a few days has been whether or not to believe that 1 is bad and 1 is good. I do think that more people have defended chaindeath in specific situations which doesn't make me feel any better for him. It made me go "huh? Why does he look so civ to you?" I could be swayed to vote Nero if it goes in that direction, but we need definite baddies at this point.

question to you, prisoner: what has chaindeath done this game that has screamed a town personality?

Prisoner 509378 · #7314

Scotty wrote:question to you, prisoner: what has chaindeath done this game that has screamed a town personality?

More than Boomrique (town). Well, I'll clarify that he's done nothing which has "screamed" a town personality, but that's not a standard I'm going to hold anyone to at this point. Only a couple people meet that criteria, not including Scotty. There have been isolated moments of mild inspiration though. I think chaindeath's dejection in the face of consistent majority suspicion has at times borne the appearance of sincerity. The most important thing that gives me pause about chaindeath isn't his own content though, but the way he has been treated by other players. Nerolunar has made chaindeath his personal punching bag. You're currently wielding him as a human shield in a potential LyLo scenario. These things don't make me feel great.

Prisoner 509378 · #7315

Scotty, I want you to make a case for yourself. You don't even have to focus on defenses against accusations you've faced, just put together a convincing case that you are town. Show me the best things you have to offer in your post history, votes, and whatever else. Why should I believe you?

Prisoner 509378 · #7316

Hey SIG, I'm going to need you to respond substantively to everything Epignosis has said. I might finally join that wagon today if you don't inspire me.

#7317

I am struggling with this game right now. The lack of success we've had since Day 2 has sapped the mafia life out of me. I am completely lacking in confidence with every read I start to make. I think I want to vote for sig or soneji but I can hardly wrap my head around why. Someone ask me specific questions so I can give specific answers to things.

Prisoner 509378 · #7318

Sloonei wrote:I am struggling with this game right now. The lack of success we've had since Day 2 has sapped the mafia life out of me. I am completely lacking in confidence with every read I start to make. I think I want to vote for sig or soneji but I can hardly wrap my head around why. Someone ask me specific questions so I can give specific answers to things.

When you consider voting for sig and voting for Soneji, describe the doubts you feel about each of them.

#7319

S~V~S wrote:And Scotty is acting. Intriguing how all the green suddenly disappeared.

Gonna be late for work so bye

Scotty is an actor.

Prisoner 509378 · #7320

Dom, gun to head read on chaindeath GO

Prisoner 509378 · #7321

I know you saw that Dom. Clearly hiding from the thread until I've moved on in my postapalooza. Dom

#7322

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I am struggling with this game right now. The lack of success we've had since Day 2 has sapped the mafia life out of me. I am completely lacking in confidence with every read I start to make. I think I want to vote for sig or soneji but I can hardly wrap my head around why. Someone ask me specific questions so I can give specific answers to things.
When you consider voting for sig and voting for Soneji, describe the doubts you feel about each of them.

Sig has been widely suspected all game long and for a few days now I have doubted my suspicion of him because a part of me feels like it's just a case of widespread tunneling gone out of control. He has done nothing that's made me look at him in a very pro-town light but this just makes me wonder why a scum player would put in as much time as sig has without doing anything to appear town.

Soneji is a completely unfamiliar player. I have never seen him before so any read I have on him this game is going to lack confidence. Plus he does not have the most content in this game, so it's even tougher to judge him based on that.

I also am continuing to feel a struggle that I've felt in a lot of recent games: I'm never scum, so I never know for sure what a scum player might do in a lot of situations. I've drawn like 4 scum role cards in the last three years of my mafia life, and usually don't make it past Day 2 in those games.

Prisoner 509378 · #7323

Sloonei wrote:Sig has been widely suspected all game long and for a few days now I have doubted my suspicion of him because a part of me feels like it's just a case of widespread tunneling gone out of control. He has done nothing that's made me look at him in a very pro-town light but this just makes me wonder why a scum player would put in as much time as sig has without doing anything to appear town.

Soneji is a completely unfamiliar player. I have never seen him before so any read I have on him this game is going to lack confidence. Plus he does not have the most content in this game, so it's even tougher to judge him based on that.

I also am continuing to feel a struggle that I've felt in a lot of recent games: I'm never scum, so I never know for sure what a scum player might do in a lot of situations. I've drawn like 4 scum role cards in the last three years of my mafia life, and usually don't make it past Day 2 in those games.

Perhaps this could be a productive exercise for you. If you have time, why don't you go down the list of players and repeat this process for everyone? Tell yourself "I'm going to lynch this person", and then when the doubts enter your brain, spill them into this thread. Not all doubts are created equal, after all.

#7324

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Dom, gun to head read on chaindeath GO

Bad

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I know you saw that Dom. Clearly hiding from the thread until I've moved on in my postapalooza. Dom

No. I didn't.

You don't know everything.

Prisoner 509378 · #7325

Dom wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Dom, gun to head read on chaindeath GO
Bad

Why?

Dom wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I know you saw that Dom. Clearly hiding from the thread until I've moved on in my postapalooza. Dom
No. I didn't.

You don't know everything.

I know everything that I need to know about you.

Prisoner 509378 · #7326

Nerolunar needs a big ass case to handle whenever he shows up in this thread. Feel the pain.

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I think it's relatively common for baddies to "dissuade" perceived distractions at the start of a game, because it's a very easy way for them to assume a mantle of PERSON WITH PRIORITIES, while townies are the ones who often like to explore silly ideas related to roles.

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To literally call it a "pressure vote" kind of deflates its pressure potential.

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The vague eyeballs always get me. The highlighted portion is suspicious at face value.

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I guess it's decent that he was seemingly trying to facilitate productive Silverwolf/ika discourse to help gets reads on them. Still though, he's reporting ika's behavior more than providing original content.

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Given that chaindeath is a brand new player (so he's told me at least, if that's not accurate someone should say so), this kind of treatment from Nero has my attention. If chain is town then that makes him one of the easiest targets in this game, and to give him crap for this vote was one of the easiest posts to make in this game.

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This is a rather odd reason to defend ika -- as if his presence was crucial to getting a good read on Silverwolf.

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I'm not going to give Nero crap for this semi-support of the concept of mislynches. I think I've said things like that before as a townie. However, I am not a fan of the way Nero has warped a disagreement of strategy into a "ping". I'm not sure why it should have been suspicious for agleaminranks to be opposed to the notion of "sacrificing innocent lives" en route to the civilian end goal. Aren't we all opposed to that? It may be idealistic, but it's not suspicious in my opinion.

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Ew.

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I suggested earlier in the game that this seemed like a rather specific prod, and that I wasn't sure that it was organic.

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HMMM PONDER. This is a distinct accusation against a distinct group of people, but he didn't name any of them or specify what posts he was even talking about. This reads as manipulative.

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Speaking of a failure to reference specifics. And there's that damned eyeball again.

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MR. PRIORITIES is back. This ika vote was also on Day 2; it came before the development of the CFD.

Gonna post this part now, the connection here is crapola and I keep having to log in over and over. To be continued.

#7327

Taking the prisoner's suggestion and running down the list of doubts on every player.

REASONS NOT TO LYNCH PLAYERS:

Black Rock - SVS says not to. I've not had a read on BR all game because there's so little content, but SVS vouches for her. Okay.
chaindeath - Perhaps just a new player, not familiar with the territory and unaccustomed to this much activity in a mafia game. Lots of uncertainty and lack of clarity in his posts, but these don't have to be scum tells.
Dom -

Elohcin - Epi says she'd be more likely to read the thread if she was bad and she's apparently not reading the thread.
Epignosis - He's Epignosis. I've sensed something lacking in him all game, but very few other players have shared this opinion. Another doubt I have is that Epi is not the type to play a timid or weak scum game, which would have to be a part of my case against him if I were to push for his lynch.
Nerolunar - Kinda forgot he was still here tbh. I have no read one way or the other at the moment. I should fix that once I get over this unmotivated spell.
Prisoner 509378 - He is a prisoner and prisoners are the opposite of cops.
Quin - Recovered way too well from early suspicion for me to really believe he's scum anymore. I think if a player in Quin's shoes were a cop, 9 times out of 10 they would have simply ducked out around Day 4. Perhaps Quin is that 1 in 10, or perhaps he's not.
Scotty - I've read him as town at various points in the game. I am still willing to listen to those who find him suspicious, but none of the evidence to be presented against Scotty so far has been enough to sway me.
sig - Already discussed. We've all been gunning for him since Day 3, and I feel like a cop would have put in more of an effort to appear as civ.
Sloonei - I haven't lost that much faith in myself yet.
Soneji - Total stranger and I don't know how to read him.
SVS - Largely responsible for Fuzz being lynched, and the case she presented was totally out of the blue. Highly unlikely that was a bus job.
Turnip Head - We tried lynching him already but that didn't work. However, I still am not convinced that was for the reason people think it was for. Turnip would not be a wise lynch target today, but I think if we survive long enough to come back to him he's worth another look.

#7328

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Dom wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Dom, gun to head read on chaindeath GO
Bad
Why?

Dom wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I know you saw that Dom. Clearly hiding from the thread until I've moved on in my postapalooza. Dom
No. I didn't.

You don't know everything.
I know everything that I need to know about you.

OK

I think he's bad based on other people's opinions and his most recent posts were more dismissive than anything else.

Prisoner 509378 · #7329

Dom wrote:I think he's bad based on other people's opinions and his most recent posts were more dismissive than anything else.

Show me!

Prisoner 509378 · #7330

Sloonei wrote:Taking the prisoner's suggestion and running down the list of doubts on every player.

As you wrote out those doubts, did you find yourself doubting any of them? As in, did you doubt your doubts? Which ones made you feel like you were typing total b/s?

#7331

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Taking the prisoner's suggestion and running down the list of doubts on every player.
As you wrote out those doubts, did you find yourself doubting any of them? As in, did you doubt your doubts? Which ones made you feel like you were typing total b/s?

No, I am very confident in all of my doubts. However, the weakest doubt I have is definitely the one on soneji. I have no doubts about Dom or Nerolunar, but that's more to do with having no read whatsoever on either of them.
I could also still get over my doubts about sig and put a vote on him. For now though I think I'll put it on Soneji

Prisoner 509378 · #7332

Nerolunar

#7333

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nerolunar

Have you drawn any conclusions on Dom so far in your interactions with him?

Prisoner 509378 · #7334

continuing the Nerolunar case.

I don't think he really addressed Epignosis's suspicions here. He retooled them and then responded to things that weren't said. I'm also rarely a fan of "you didn't suspect me before, what's your problem now?!" type gripes.

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This logic escapes me. It's possible to suspect someone and the accuser of that person at the same time. Fugging eyeball.

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I have no idea why Nero read Serge as civ. This is a read that exists.

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He suspects Epignosis for reasons that appear mostly unstated. He demands Epignosis expand on his reasons for suspecting Nero which were frankly better stated.

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The first post was his immediate reaction to Fuzz flipping cop. He expressed doubt about his baddie read on ika. On Day 3 he reverted back to that baddie read. I don't quite see a clear progression leading to that.

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Yellow: he's really working hard here to maintain the anti-ika narrative, even suggesting ika forgot he had extra votes.

He defaults to the chaindeath vote.

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This has become the theme for Nero since Night 3. Total tunnel vision on chaindeath.

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I actually like this post and it might be Nero's best.

Nerolunar wrote:That GTH exercise you guys did earlier was really interesting to read, and I am going to make one for myself too now. I don´t understand why so many of you find me scummy though, but to be honest Im not really scared. I guess I haven´t been investing that much effort in to this game(haven´t really done ISOs and such) and I understand why that might seem scummy to you. However, I believe that there are objectively worse looking players at the moment, and I want to lynch Sig this round. I believe that he is indeed scum, and has recently found his footing so he can continue to slip away of lynches. I say we lynch Sig once and for all.

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Black rock - town

Boomslang - scum

Chaindeath - scum

Draconus - scum

Epignosis - town

Ika - town

Indiglo - town

Nerolunar - town

Prisoner 509 - town

Quin - scum

SVS - town

Scotty - town

Serge - town

Sig - scum

Silverwolf - town

Sloonei - town

Thellama - town

Turnip Head - town

I also like his transparency here on a tone level.

I'm going to cut this off here. Y'all get the point. Nero's most suspicious work came in the former half of the game, and in the latter half he's been highly focused upon chaindeath. There are some decent looks available in his post history though. Nero, come chat with me and we'll see.

Prisoner 509378 · #7335

Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nerolunar
Have you drawn any conclusions on Dom so far in your interactions with him?

He's less suspicious than Draconus was. I just provoked him a bit there to see if I could incite some emotion (just for the sake of getting a read Dom!). I think Dom can be the type of player who responds to accusations, especially overly confident ones like the one I just hurled at him, a particular, recognizable way. It didn't shout anything meaningful at me, but I don't think he's a top lynch candidate for me today at least.

#7336

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Dom wrote:I think he's bad based on other people's opinions and his most recent posts were more dismissive than anything else.
Show me!

Here:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 71#p255471
Boom doesn't do anything to really defend himself or convince anyone of his civ-ness. He just lists alternatives and a quick scan of his posts did not yield reasons.

Here:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 78#p254378

He also called TH's lynch unuseful. I disagree.

Thank you for asking me questions. It's hard for me to come up with original content in this game when I'm so far behind.

Prisoner 509378 · #7337

For any townies struggling to stay motivated after so many mislynches: there's more to Mafia than winning. I don't know if we'll be able to turn this mess around completely, but no matter how it ends we still have our pride to play for. Let's do everything in our power to take some of those cops down with us, eh? Make them sweat the finish at the very least.

#7338

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Given that chaindeath is a brand new player (so he's told me at least, if that's not accurate someone should say so)

Brand new? Not true.

Prisoner 509378 · #7339

Epignosis wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Given that chaindeath is a brand new player (so he's told me at least, if that's not accurate someone should say so)
Brand new? Not true.

Good eye. Looks like he also played in Sgt. Peppers Mafia.

Hey chaindeath, why'd you tell everyone you're total noobsauce?

Prisoner 509378 · #7340

Reference:

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath has found that being up to date on the forum helps make responding easier, he will try to do it more consistently. Let the quote train roll!

Sloonei wrote:
chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is unsure of the board state at this point. He has a few civi reads on a few people and a few on who the baddies might be. Scum seems like a mean word to him and he prefers baddies. If he was forced to vote right now it would likely be for either DDL or maybe SW.

Luckily he made it though the night safely and can look at people more closely. He had exams this past week that made keeping up really quite stressful and he plans to be more up and active. Hopefully.
Sloonei has a hard time fathoming these two as your top suspects.
He is new to mafia, relatively speaking and hasn't played in years so he is having a hard time keeping track of all the weird things that people say/do to ping others that more seasoned players will say "this makes you scum because it shows this thing. Lets kill you."

This was already probably my least favorite chaindeath post, because instead of answering Sloonei in a meaningful way he just pulled the noob card.

Now we can question whether that noob card even belongs to chaindeath. He did say he hasn't played in a while which is technically true. Talk about this shit, chaindeath.

#7341

I remember that post as well and feel the same way you do. There is no hint at a real response there, he just immediately jumps to distancing himself from the responsibility of naming his suspects.

#7342

Soneji, sig, and chaindeath are the three I'd feel most comfortable voting for today in no particular order. Sig and chaindeath have plenty to answer for already so I'm just waiting to hear from them on a few things. Soneji will require more work on my part if I want answers to the questions that I have.

Scotty, Epi, and Turnip Head are players I'm also still entertaining as suspects.

#7343

Im getting a little disoriented with this game. It feels like we are still fumbling around and frankly it sucks. The only strong read I have is still Chaindeath(woo surprise) and I will be voting for him today. Prisoner I read your ISO of me and I am going to respond to the individual points you made in my next post.

Before I do that, I am going to mention that your suspicion of me mainly looks like the lack of town effort rather than the presence of mafia behavior. I have felt this way since people began suspecting me and sure, more effort would help solving that problem. It is hard though. Im surprised Boomslang was civ and now I don´t know what to do other than trying to lynch Chaindeath. I lack consistent reads and my feelings about people go back and forth in my mind. I guess we all feel like that, but I do agree that we should not give up and fight to not give them an easy win. aaaaaand you will probably read this entire paragraph as some Patos-filled charm-nonsense, but I dont care. Its what I think.

Responding to your ISO now.

#7344

I'm closing up shop for the day. Got some good stuff done despite bad stuff.

Continuing on. Day 4. I want to be a little more focused: How did sig go from "agleaminranks is good and the votes on him are scummy" to being the fifth nail in the coffin?

agleaminranks
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Sloonei (15), Silverwolf (16), Golden (18), ika (19), sig (20), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Scotty (23), indiglo (24), Turnip Head (25) 36%

The first several posts involve sig claiming he's not a cop and that Quin openly admitted he saved him, so they can't both be bad, so on and so forth. His posts also exhibit the "almost anyone but me" mindset, jumping from suspicion to suspicion either giving no reason at all or naming every conceivable reason. For example:

sig wrote:Quin could be bad, lynching him is much better then me.

sig wrote:Nero where is this huge push on me coming from? You weren't for my lynch at all until last night, actually I don't remember you mentioning me at all until I brought up that you may be scum. Your also using the same argument many players have used. I find that odd. It looks like your trying to push my lynch for unsavory reasons.

Hey sig: What would savory reasons for pushing your lynch look like?

sig wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:I think we should stay on the Sig lynch. You guys can always build a case on Gleam later, but right now Sig needs to go.

Nerolunar wrote:Are the cops at work here? Its rubbing me the wrong way that several votes are shifting now.

Do you really want the Sig discussion to continue for a another day?
These two posts are pingy. Keep on the Sig lynch don't even look for someone else who might be scum build their case later. Then the cops are at work? That would be the top posters who everyone thinks are civs? This seems like fear mongering to me. IF Gleam/Quin is mafia then so is Nero. My predictions have been off this game though. I've not posted much today for two reasons one I thought I was done and two I was worked up. After thinking about it my suspicion of DDL seems a little OMGUS. However, I still think Sloonie could be mafia. Golden is most likely a civ as is SVS.

So for Gleam I did defend him hard day 1, however he seemed to have faded out and flew under the radar I don't like that for Quin it is different. On the surface him giving me votes looks good. However, with the amount of vote changing he might not have suspected me of living. This could have easily been done to build civ credit. Not to mention keep me alive another day and occupy the thread. This and Nero saying we should focus on me today is odd. I don't know if the mafia would be so obvious and I might just be being paranoid, but Quin seemed to flip on his view of me quite quickly. I'll reread it, but he if I'm correct called for my lynch today? I'm unsure if both Nero/Quin are mafia, but I believe one is. Gleam is an unknown I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch today and would vote for him though I'd rather see Quin/Nero lynched.

linki: Okay true Golden, though before today he didn't really call for my lynch and the build your case on Gleam later post was off putting.

So here it is. sig says agleaminranks faded out and flew under the radar. He says gleam is also an "unknown" and then claims that he wouldn't be opposed to gleam's lynch.

Okay. What was it about agleaminranks Day 1/2 that made you defend him if he's an unknown? Was his role known to you Day 1 and 2 and somehow he became unknown Day 4?

That's the vaguest reason to be comfortable with lynching someone.

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That's some anticlimactic shit right there. "Go for Gleam."

And gleam gets lynched.

sig wrote:So WAIT you shouldn't lynch me at ALL. I defended Gleam up until today as I did Fuzz. He gleam flipped civ, so my hardcore defense of him was right. I think we should look at Day 1 and 2 and the people who pushed his wagon then, I'd bet we would see a scum among them.

This more than makes up for the ending of that stinker though.

"I defended Gleam even though I lynched him, so don't lynch me! Let's go look over there!"

I realize there are a number of things to pick on this post for (suppose gleam had been a cop, would sig expect us to lynch him for being wrong to defend him?

), but I want to highlight one thing:

Sincerity.

I believe you can determine if someone is sincere about a view if he or she acts on it.

"I think we should look at Day 1 and 2 and the people who pushed his wagon then, I'd bet we would see a scum among them."

As I go through sig's Day 5 posts, I'm going to be looking for him doing this.

#7345

I am going to join SVS and vote for Scotty. I trust her opinion. Besides, he was my other choice for today.

#7346

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nerolunar needs a big ass case to handle whenever he shows up in this thread. Feel the pain.

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Nerolunar wrote:Why do we want to trigger the traitors? Can´t we just hunt for baddies? I don´t see why its beneficial
I think it's relatively common for baddies to "dissuade" perceived distractions at the start of a game, because it's a very easy way for them to assume a mantle of PERSON WITH PRIORITIES, while townies are the ones who often like to explore silly ideas related to roles.
I have priorities and the traitors really weren´t all that important.
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Nerolunar wrote:Im going to pressure vote for Ika. Come talk with us buddy.
To literally call it a "pressure vote" kind of deflates its pressure potential.Yes, it actually kinda does. IIRC I was afraid to give votes without reason in fear of getting heat for it.

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Nerolunar wrote:
ika wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.
wh i always do: work with her and sort out reads that we cant agree on and try to make a cohesive town bloc of players. i would prob go isoing then and read people to see what i cna find if i sort her
So you are developing reads? Just before you said you weren´t going to make reads on people day 1 But thanks for clarifying.

I like that you and Silverwolf can cooperate like this, provided that both of you are good. I will keep an eye on you Could very well be that both of you are baddies.
The vague eyeballs always get me. The highlighted portion is suspicious at face value. I valued their meta reads but I didn´t want to get too carried away. I use the eyeball to signal that I have not heard enough of a player yet, but that I am looking for them. Im surprised you chose that to be a reason for suspicion honestly.

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Nerolunar wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:SVS@ It does make sense.

Silverwolf would it be possible that you could do the same to Ika? It would be really great if we could get more information about you guys.
Clarify what you mean here?
Ika seems to be very focused on decoding and eventually labeling you as either civ/mafia - if you could decode him in the same fashion it would be great. We don´t know the meta of you guys, only you do.
I guess it's decent that he was seemingly trying to facilitate productive Silverwolf/ika discourse to help gets reads on them. Still though, he's reporting ika's behavior more than providing original content. Well, yeah. I was processing their replies.

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Nerolunar wrote:
chaindeath wrote:He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con
This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.
Given that chaindeath is a brand new player (so he's told me at least, if that's not accurate someone should say so), this kind of treatment from Nero has my attention. If chain is town then that makes him one of the easiest targets in this game, and to give him crap for this vote was one of the easiest posts to make in this game.
Yes it is an easy post, but also a necessary one. I don´t like votes that come out of the blue with lack of reasoning. If it hadn´t been I who had called Chaindeath out on this someone else would have done it.

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Nerolunar wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Who is Gleam? I dont see anyone with that name.
agleaminranks
Thanks. I read it completely different.

@ Sig To me its not "highly pingy" to call out lurking.

I am going to change my vote. Losing Ika now will eradicate all meta reads that he can give us on Silverwolf. I don´t like that uncertainty.

Im going to check up un Gleam and see if thats whgere my vote will be.
This is a rather odd reason to defend ika -- as if his presence was crucial to getting a good read on Silverwolf. Lots of Ikas playstyle revolved around Silver. I wouldn´t say crucial, but definitely a good asset to have at that point.

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Nerolunar wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:
Diiny wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:I'm voting Diiny, but not because I specifically side with Wilgy or Enrique. To be honest I have no idea what the flying fart is going on in that circle.
Glad your vote is well informed.
I think Luffy made a good point against your favor. As much as I don't want to say that for how fervently he is attacking me at the moment.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh sorry, you are not opposed to the idea of hunting mafia. You just don't want to lynch them. Accusing each other is okay as long as no blood is drawn.
People like yourself are a pretty common trope in movie bad guys. They have some ideal that may even be morally sympathetic to the viewer, but you still use the end to justify your means of sacrificing a few innocent lives along the way. I think that is the wrong attitude.
Do you seriously think we can win without any mislynches? They do serve their purpose, as we can look at vote tallies and such. To me it is alright to mislynch a few if it means winning in the end anyway.

I was not pinged before but now I am.
I'm not going to give Nero crap for this semi-support of the concept of mislynches. I think I've said things like that before as a townie. However, I am not a fan of the way Nero has warped a disagreement of strategy into a "ping". I'm not sure why it should have been suspicious for agleaminranks to be opposed to the notion of "sacrificing innocent lives" en route to the civilian end goal. Aren't we all opposed to that? It may be idealistic, but it's not suspicious in my opinion. At that point Gleam was holding on to that ideal really strongly, and I completely oppose such an ideal. It did ping me and in that moment I did think he as likely to be mafia. IIRC I did revert him back to a null in my mind later on, but right here I was indeed pinged.

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Nerolunar wrote:I think Im going to vote for Chaindeath. He voted for LC based on nothing earlier today, when the only thing LC had posted IIRC was an argument against the everyone-vote-for-everyone plan. Still getting mixed signals from Gleam, but I will let him slide this round.

See y`all tomorrow.
Ew. Cmon.

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Nerolunar wrote:I see RadicalFuzz is online. What are your suspects and general thoughts on what happened at EoD and from there on?
I suggested earlier in the game that this seemed like a rather specific prod, and that I wasn't sure that it was organic.

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Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?
HMMM PONDER. This is a distinct accusation against a distinct group of people, but he didn't name any of them or specify what posts he was even talking about. This reads as manipulative. It was a speculative thought I had. Just wanted to throw it out there.

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Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.
Speaking of a failure to reference specifics. And there's that damned eyeball again. Its just eyes. I admit that Im not that great at referencing either, but here Ika blatantly stated that he was opposed to doing it.

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Nerolunar wrote:Because anyone can claim that they have an idea for who it might be.

I don´t believe it is in our best interests to speculate on who might be don/hitman. It only distracts from our goal to lynch cops, and we don´t really win anything by discussing it.
It certainly does not improve my read on you.

Ika
MR. PRIORITIES is back. This ika vote was also on Day 2; it came before the development of the CFD.Yes, priorities. What could we possibly gain by discussing it?

Gonna post this part now, the connection here is crapola and I keep having to log in over and over. To be continued.

Honestly I stand by most if not all of what I have said.

#7347

Prisoner 509378 wrote:continuing the Nerolunar case.

I don't think he really addressed Epignosis's suspicions here. He retooled them and then responded to things that weren't said. I'm also rarely a fan of "you didn't suspect me before, what's your problem now?!" type gripes.
I did answer? He implied I was steering while in my opinion I was the one to mention that the thread might have been steered. I find it to be a weak accusation that Epi made of me. Its like saying I should be lynched as top priority because I commented on the flow/mood of the thread, which I dont think is valid reasoning.
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Nerolunar wrote:
sig wrote:Voting Epignosis for the time. I don't have much to go on, but I've got a bad gut read of him, I also don't see the gleam lynch what so ever. I think between Gleam and Ika, Ika is more likely to be bad.
Before you were pinged by me, and now you vote for my accuser? Don´t get me wrong, Im happy that you don´t find me suspicious anymore, but this looks a tad opportunistic to me
This logic escapes me. It's possible to suspect someone and the accuser of that person at the same time. Fugging eyeball. You are right. I did not consider that. My mistake. Im gonna screw myself with a rake if I get lynched and we end up losing because of this.

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Nerolunar wrote:Im going to bed now

Im reading Serge as civ. I would like to hear more from you.
I have no idea why Nero read Serge as civ. This is a read that exists. At that point I thought he had been reasonable. He was greener than most people to me at that point.

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Nerolunar wrote:@ Epignosis

I was referring to the fact that Night Actions will happen - thats what I mean by information. Things will happen that we can use. I was not talking specifically about lynching you for information. You still ping me though.

Nerolunar wrote:@ Epignosis

What exactly is your case against me? I only remember you mentioning me steering the thread earlier which you didn´t follow up on, but does it go beyond that? Explain to me why you find me suspicious.
He suspects Epignosis for reasons that appear mostly unstated. He demands Epignosis expand on his reasons for suspecting Nero which were frankly better stated.If its still the steering thats reasoning for Epis suspicion here in this quote then yes, I did not find it valid at all. The lack of valid suspicion was suspicious to me. Epi knows that I am a rather weak player from Zodiac and Arkham so maybe he tried to abuse it here. In hindsight it makes me feel worse about Epi right now.

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Nerolunar wrote:Yay! Well done on the lynch.

Im not so sure on Ika anymore. Im more inclined to lynching Epi right now, though I will have to wait for the night to end before making any reads. We should have fresh information by then.

Nerolunar wrote:Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.
The first post was his immediate reaction to Fuzz flipping cop. He expressed doubt about his baddie read on ika. On Day 3 he reverted back to that baddie read. I don't quite see a clear progression leading to that. Me neither. I guess my previous suspicions picked up again and were still going strong. I honestly can´t remmber what went on in my head at that time other than we lynched a cop.

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Nerolunar wrote:Indi did you read all of my posts? I have explained most of the points you make already. I can explain them again if you want.

I discarded the idea of meta reads on Ika/SW because they never showed up. Ika mentioned that he would quickly sort out if SW was bad, but he only went all over the place, resulting in a lot of suspicion being thrown at him. I became suspicious of him because he didn´t make use of the fact that only he has meta of SW, and also his generally weid behavior which I have explained.

I came off of Ika when I began to think that it was due to playstyle that he was acting like he was. I was afraid to tunnel too hard at that point. Epignosis had voted for me based on very little evidence(the steering of the thread) and that pinged me. He has exhibited civ behavior lately though, so Im neutral on him now.

Epignosis didn´t tunnel on me, and that made me less suspicious on him - in hindsight its a pretty bad way to gauge alignment, so I will give you that.

I had been reading 18 pages, so Quins behavior at EoD slipped my mind. There was so much to remember, and thats why I was genuinely happy that people had pointed it out so that I didn´t miss it.

As of now, yeah I am reading Ika as bad. I guess it would be stupid of him to vote for Fuzz, but I believe that was what occured anyway. Maybe he forgot he had the votes, maybe he actively bussed to save himself. Regardless of what happened, he has still exhibited scummy behavior in my opinion. I won´t lynch him today though, as he can´t defend himself. I am much more comfortable with lynching Chaindeath. He is just scummy all over.

Chaindeath
Yellow: he's really working hard here to maintain the anti-ika narrative, even suggesting ika forgot he had extra votes.

He defaults to the chaindeath vote. Okay, Ika probably didnt forget he had votes. That was somewhat silly to suggest, but I remember being under a little pressure(which was nothing compared to these posts of yours right now).

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Nerolunar wrote:@ Sloonei - Well, opposed is a strong word. You did try to use the CFD to lynch Matt for a moment which is weird, but I did wrote "to a lesser extent". I still believe you are civ based on everything else you have done.

The only wagon I would like to pursue is Chaindeath. Call it tunneling, I just have a strong feeling that he is scum.

Linki Youre setting me up too as a wagon Sig.
This has become the theme for Nero since Night 3. Total tunnel vision on chaindeath. Yes, and I have admitted that a few times. If he turns out to be town after all I might take a pause from mafia. He still is my only hard scum read and its almost too late for him to change that - If he were to do a Quin I might reconsider but as of right now nothing yet has convinced me that he is town.

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Nerolunar wrote:I believe we should lynch Sig.

Right now lynching Sig is almost the only thing we are talking about. Are we going to talk about him next cycle too? It feels like we are not getting anywhere, and I would much rather get the paranoia out of the way asap. I think we can have a more clear approach to things once we are not as occupied with lynching Sig.

Will keeping Sig alive solve any problems? In my opinion, no. Rather, if he flips bad we can probably clear Golden and that would be really beneficial.
I actually like this post and it might be Nero's best. Thank you.

Nerolunar wrote:That GTH exercise you guys did earlier was really interesting to read, and I am going to make one for myself too now. I don´t understand why so many of you find me scummy though, but to be honest Im not really scared. I guess I haven´t been investing that much effort in to this game(haven´t really done ISOs and such) and I understand why that might seem scummy to you. However, I believe that there are objectively worse looking players at the moment, and I want to lynch Sig this round. I believe that he is indeed scum, and has recently found his footing so he can continue to slip away of lynches. I say we lynch Sig once and for all.

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Black rock - town

Boomslang - scum

Chaindeath - scum

Draconus - scum

Epignosis - town

Ika - town

Indiglo - town

Nerolunar - town

Prisoner 509 - town

Quin - scum

SVS - town

Scotty - town

Serge - town

Sig - scum

Silverwolf - town

Sloonei - town

Thellama - town

Turnip Head - town
I also like his transparency here on a tone level. Thank you.

I'm going to cut this off here. Y'all get the point. Nero's most suspicious work came in the former half of the game, and in the latter half he's been highly focused upon chaindeath. There are some decent looks available in his post history though. Nero, come chat with me and we'll see.

There you go. Chaindeath

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That was clearly a wrong choice of font color

#7349

I absolutely cannot condone a Scotty lynch at the moment. This is a crucial phase, and he's hardly been discussed at all. I am not saying he definitely should not be lynched and I am still willing to listen, but I've been saying that for a couple days now and still have not been anywhere near convinced that he deserves my vote.

At the moment I think sig is my top choice.

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Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:Oh, how the tables have tabled.
@Quin did you really make my quote about being the Warden your sig?
You cheeky bastard!

I did. I loved it.

It's over! Would you play a sequel?