GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

[triceratopzeuhl]

I do notice that locations that win each vote have been disappearing from the polls

[triceratopzeuhl]

Maybe timmer made a good point. Maybe your reasoning on JJJ is the way it is because your pegging him as the SK means you know he is that role. And if that is true, then that makes me worried about you.

It doesn't follow logically at all to think that I would have to be mafia to have info on JJJ (if you are assuming that). There are 2 known info-gathering civvies and 6 civvies with secrets. There are 0 known info-gathering mafia members and 2 with secrets.

Has either Timmer or BWT replied to this? I might have missed it in the flurry of activity

[Quin]

I do notice that locations that win each vote have been disappearing from the polls

Has anyone considered any underlying importance about this? Spit balling; there are a lot of secret roles that these polls could have an impact on.

[Dom]

What are historical odds of civvies VS mafia having a lynch protect power?

Trice, what exactly did I start days ago?

I mean, you even linked it in your own reply to me?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p314414

OK
But that isn't his current posting. Why are you still deeming him useless?

This is 100% as curt/rude as anything I've said to you (and also you immediately ignored my correction to this patently wrong post in favour of looking for more GOTCHA! moments which was the reason I originally started suspecting you)

I said that given what Rule 4 said, that there was something else going on we aren't publicly aware of. I reiterated it with adding in that it happened after a coin was flipped. How did I disagree with you, trice?

I thought the combination of the word "Nah" and saying there was "also" something afoot meant you were disagreeing with me, my bad, I realize now the Nah was in response to "are there any other theories"

I didn't realize you interpreted it as such. It was not my intention to be rude.
However, I am not slinging insults like "idiotic" and "useless".

Also, what I said was not patently "wrong", and I invite others to look into this. I didn't follow up because it became clear to me that you aren't interested in conversation, only dictation.

[Dom]

though you make no mentions of gotcha moments until today, but lobby a jjj lynch

[Dom]

I do notice that locations that win each vote have been disappearing from the polls

Has anyone considered any underlying importance about this? Spit balling; there are a lot of secret roles that these polls could have an impact on.

not a clue.

[birdwithteeth11]

Maybe timmer made a good point. Maybe your reasoning on JJJ is the way it is because your pegging him as the SK means you know he is that role. And if that is true, then that makes me worried about you.

It doesn't follow logically at all to think that I would have to be mafia to have info on JJJ (if you are assuming that). There are 2 known info-gathering civvies and 6 civvies with secrets. There are 0 known info-gathering mafia members and 2 with secrets.

Has either Timmer or BWT replied to this? I might have missed it in the flurry of activity

I can't remember if I did or not. I am leaning towards no.

At the time, I thought you felt so strongly about JJJ because you had info on him, and I did not think it was civilian-minded info. Honestly, given the lynch result, I'm not sure my feelings have changed much yet.

That being said, that's also the same reason MM is still my primary suspect.

[timmer]

Maybe timmer made a good point. Maybe your reasoning on JJJ is the way it is because your pegging him as the SK means you know he is that role. And if that is true, then that makes me worried about you.

It doesn't follow logically at all to think that I would have to be mafia to have info on JJJ (if you are assuming that). There are 2 known info-gathering civvies and 6 civvies with secrets. There are 0 known info-gathering mafia members and 2 with secrets.

Has either Timmer or BWT replied to this? I might have missed it in the flurry of activity

I missed it completely. I am going to start from scratch on the both of you tonight!

[Quin]

By the looks of it, Alfothad may have been triggered to begin killing either Night 2 (just because of the mass role block) or Night 3. Motherfucker=Redeemer could very well have been responsible given role descriptions. If that's you, I'd look back at those you checked for both your BTSC connections and your living checks before Night 3.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Also, what I said was not patently "wrong", and I invite others to look into this. I didn't follow up because it became clear to me that you aren't interested in conversation, only dictation.

You said I was still criticizing epignosis for something I hadn't criticized him for in a long time at that point, because he stopped doing it. What part of that wasn't wrong?

go through each of epi's posts and show me the useless ones.

At the time I voted for him, this was 100% of his posts:

Spoiler: show

All My Posts Will Be Potential Titles for Post-Rock Songs

We Are Closing on the Mint House on the Cul-de-Sac in December

POE is Rolling Around in His Grave (Which is in Baltimore, 515 W Fayette Street, in Case You Wanted to Go There)

Townie is Such a Pussy Word

You are Preaching to the Choir, Which is Wearing Robes Made by Unchristian Foreigners

This is Boring, but at Least The Children Are Asleep

Some People Just Like Big Numbers Under Their Names

This is Not a Rainbow; It is Green Snot and Gray Snot

LoRab is Not a Cold Dead Person

Jesus Christ, Six Pages

This Includes Content

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

The third one could potentially be interpreted as him saying he doesn't like MP's POE strategy, and the last one is saying he thinks BWT is good. The rest? compost

OK
But that isn't his current posting. Why are you still deeming him useless?

Show me where I've said that since day 1

At the time I voted for him,

You never showed me where I had said that since day 1, because I never had. Which is why you never once answered this post.

[LoRab]

Before I respond to anything else, a word of ambiguous thanks. If you don't know what I'm talking about, please don't ask--I will not elaborate.

And, no information from the lynch, without knowing who won (or, I guess lost) the coin toss, and therefore which had some sort of power which enabled them to survive the lynch. So, I'm looking forward to another round of the same, personally. I don't know about anyone else.

So far 2 bad players have voted for me, and the other two haven't been in the thread since I made my case nothing to do but wait it out

Exactly how many bad players do you think there are in this game?

I would also invite Boomslang, Dom, Epignosis, Sloonei, and timmer to the funeral.

The invitations will not be extended to JaggedJimmyJay, trice.

Others may or may not be permitted. I'm still stricken with grief.

I can haz funeral attendance?

MP, the important part is that vompatti was moya

List of other people Golden voiced suspicions of within a day or two of his death: A Person, Dom, Lorab, MM, Sig
List of people Sloonei voiced suspicions of before getting silenced by Sleep: Lorab, Scotty, Dom, INH, DrWilgy

List of people dom has defended or said he thinks are good: Timmer, JJJ, Scotty, BWT, Boomslang, MP, epi

He also defended BWT from JJJ accusations, so you can cross the latter off that list (you can anyway since he's SK not mafia).

Of the above he also leveled accusations of varying degrees at BWT, boomslang and MP on different occasions

Cross referencing with the other two lists I posted, Dom, Lorab, and scotty are the only ones who appear more than once

Hey BWT, are you able to produce some summarized/quick reads for me (whether rainbow or not)? I'm curious where your head is at right now.

Linki: Same question to Trice.

Confident civ: the late Golden, Sloonei, you, me

tentative/probably civ: epignosis, Timmer, MM, sig

Mafia 1: was vompatti
Mafia 2: Dom
Serial Killer: JJJ
Iffy shortlist for Mafia 3: Lorab, scotty, BWT, boomslang

(more info needed): ninja blooper

After I die this is the info the remaining civs need to capitalize on

This makes a big assumption about how both the SK and the Mafia are strategizing their kill. I wonder if you actually know how one of those 2 chose their target.

if poll trickery kills me anyway, and I don't have the opportunity, somebody please check voting patterns of my mafia 3 shortlist, as posted earlier

I have been civ reading scotty most of the game but he could just be a good liar... he's one of the 3 people who appear multiple times in my lead lists

Also, this last post, coupled with the one before it totally read like the set up for a player who has a seemer role (or at least an aspect of their role that is a seemer).

5. town trice v. serial killer JJJ

Quick question, trice:

You've said repeatedly today that I'm the SK, and you've also repeatedly questioned the sincerity of my reads (suggesting I am deliberately misrepresenting or OMGUSing or what have you). If I am specifically the SK and not mafia, I don't know who the bad guys are and thus have the ability to provide real scum hunting effort. What is the motive to fake my reads in this scenario you've painted?

beats me, I can't read your mind

even if you can provide scum hunting effort, you also have another night kill tonight, unless we have another secret role blocker (hint hint if we do there's a foolproof way to prove JJJ is the sk, just saying)

Wait...how do you know how often the SK kills? I didn't see that in the roles.

Alternatively, if you're civ (which I don't think you are, but if): there's no way that writing something like that in the thread could possibly go wrong! Baddies never read the thread and that plan is certainly fool proof!

And has Sloonei been around? They are the only vote missing.

Actually, that reminds me. Can we pretty much confirm that Vomps is bad now? Because unless I'm mistaken, everyone posted during this phase.

We can assume Vomps is bad because Sleep made the kill, not because no one posted. Sleep killed last night, therefore Sleep could not silence anyone last night. But because Sleep killed, we can assume that Moya is no longer in the game.

By the looks of it, Alfothad may have been triggered to begin killing either Night 2 (just because of the mass role block) or Night 3. Motherfucker=Redeemer could very well have been responsible given role descriptions. If that's you, I'd look back at those you checked for both your BTSC connections and your living checks before Night 3.

Thank you! It was driving me crazy that people were talking about the SK without talking about what could have triggered the SK. Any other thoughts on this from anyone?

Although, it seems as though Rockets Fall on Rocket Falls probably triggered the mass block.

[Golden]

Bloody hell, I'm dead and they still don't invite me to the funeral.

[Marmot]

Before I respond to anything else, a word of ambiguous thanks. If you don't know what I'm talking about, please don't ask--I will not elaborate.

And, no information from the lynch, without knowing who won (or, I guess lost) the coin toss, and therefore which had some sort of power which enabled them to survive the lynch. So, I'm looking forward to another round of the same, personally. I don't know about anyone else.

So far 2 bad players have voted for me, and the other two haven't been in the thread since I made my case nothing to do but wait it out

Exactly how many bad players do you think there are in this game?

I would also invite Boomslang, Dom, Epignosis, Sloonei, and timmer to the funeral.

The invitations will not be extended to JaggedJimmyJay, trice.

Others may or may not be permitted. I'm still stricken with grief.

I can haz funeral attendance?

Yes, yes I think you deserve it.

Thank you for your care!

[Marmot]

Maybe timmer made a good point. Maybe your reasoning on JJJ is the way it is because your pegging him as the SK means you know he is that role. And if that is true, then that makes me worried about you.

It doesn't follow logically at all to think that I would have to be mafia to have info on JJJ (if you are assuming that). There are 2 known info-gathering civvies and 6 civvies with secrets. There are 0 known info-gathering mafia members and 2 with secrets.

Has either Timmer or BWT replied to this? I might have missed it in the flurry of activity

I can't remember if I did or not. I am leaning towards no.

At the time, I thought you felt so strongly about JJJ because you had info on him, and I did not think it was civilian-minded info. Honestly, given the lynch result, I'm not sure my feelings have changed much yet.

That being said, that's also the same reason MM is still my primary suspect.

What is baddie-minded info?

If you believe that trice has info on Jay, wouldn't Jay be a good lynch regardless if trice is civilian or mafia?

[Dom]

Also, what I said was not patently "wrong", and I invite others to look into this. I didn't follow up because it became clear to me that you aren't interested in conversation, only dictation.

You said I was still criticizing epignosis for something I hadn't criticized him for in a long time at that point, because he stopped doing it. What part of that wasn't wrong?

go through each of epi's posts and show me the useless ones.

At the time I voted for him, this was 100% of his posts:

Spoiler: show

All My Posts Will Be Potential Titles for Post-Rock Songs

We Are Closing on the Mint House on the Cul-de-Sac in December

POE is Rolling Around in His Grave (Which is in Baltimore, 515 W Fayette Street, in Case You Wanted to Go There)

Townie is Such a Pussy Word

You are Preaching to the Choir, Which is Wearing Robes Made by Unchristian Foreigners

This is Boring, but at Least The Children Are Asleep

Some People Just Like Big Numbers Under Their Names

This is Not a Rainbow; It is Green Snot and Gray Snot

LoRab is Not a Cold Dead Person

Jesus Christ, Six Pages

This Includes Content

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

The third one could potentially be interpreted as him saying he doesn't like MP's POE strategy, and the last one is saying he thinks BWT is good. The rest? compost

OK
But that isn't his current posting. Why are you still deeming him useless?

Show me where I've said that since day 1

At the time I voted for him,

You never showed me where I had said that since day 1, because I never had. Which is why you never once answered this post.

I didn't know I was arguing that.
I was catching up.

I don't know why you consider this "rude" or "curt" when you are calling names, but ok.

[Marmot]

Night 1, Vompatti was killed by an unknown cause. The most likely cause (based on Sleep making the most recent kill) is that he was Moya and the kill rebounded. It is also possible another player has an ability to "borrow" a power from another player, and Vompatti's kill on himself.

Night 3, it appears that more players were cursed than Night 1. Again, this points to the potential that somebody out there can "borrow" a power. This is compounded by the fact that LoRab's curse was a oft-used one on the Syndicate (run your text through an insanifier), so the power-borrower didn't get to choose it (Rico chose a simple one).

[Marmot]

Sig: rico was brought over from progarchives (not a mafia website) a few years ago by MP, same as me, epignosis, BWT, and A Person

Golden targeted by mafia twice in 3 nights, seems they didn't like what he's been saying. Recent noteworthy posts from Golden:

Spoiler: show

A PERSON
BWT
BOOMSLANG
DOM

Slight bad
Moderate town
Slight town
Slight bad

EPIGNOSIS
GOLDEN
JJJ
LORAB

Moderate town
My sweetest friend
Moderate town
Slight bad

MARMOT
MP
NINJA
SCOTTY

Moderate bad
Moderate town
Strong town
Slight town

SIG
SLOONEI
TIMMER
TRICE

Moderate bad
Slight town
Strong town
Moderate town

Also quick note before I go one of the top posters (JJJ, Sloonie, Golden, and MP) is most likely bad, I just have no clue which one it is. :P

Ok those who are not me, I would say that MP is least likely, sloonei is most likely. Jay in the middle.

This Fellow [JJJ -ed] is Not a Civilian

I did not like his reasons for being against the Marmot vote. He broke the tie, and it amounted to him claiming that MP and I only suspected him because he suspected us, which was chronologically inaccurate. It was almost like a brush aside.

I could see a Marmot/Jay team. Heck, I could see a Marmot/Jay/Dom team.

Or maybe Marmot is an innocent bystander.

In any event, epi, I agree about Jay. He worries me. I feel like there is a lack of fire in his opinions. His whole game feels - clockwork, like a man calculating the impact of each post. I can't describe it any other way. He's always bothered me a little but in this lynch it felt much stronger than just tinfoil.

And Dom ignores what is obviously a very split lynch and throws away his vote.

Yeah, I'm never a fan of that.

I could see him being NK'd once as a possible misdirect kill, but both mafia and SK trying to kill him implies they were uncomfortable with his reads

Also as per my earlier theory, if one of the insanifiers is civ then that player at least thinks JJJ is bad. I wonder if the role also has an info-getting element? As me and MP have both said this game, civ insanifier use could be reckless if you end up removing teammates' ability to communicate

Trice, why are you so sure here that mafia has the insanifier ability?

I agree they likely do, but this statement has more certainty.

[Marmot]

At this point, I'm willing to accept that trice is civilian and Jay is bad.

I doubt the mafia would have the ability to survive a lynch. Also, Jay is a clever person who I think would target me on Night 3.

[LoRab]

Before I respond to anything else, a word of ambiguous thanks. If you don't know what I'm talking about, please don't ask--I will not elaborate.

And, no information from the lynch, without knowing who won (or, I guess lost) the coin toss, and therefore which had some sort of power which enabled them to survive the lynch. So, I'm looking forward to another round of the same, personally. I don't know about anyone else.

So far 2 bad players have voted for me, and the other two haven't been in the thread since I made my case nothing to do but wait it out

Exactly how many bad players do you think there are in this game?

I would also invite Boomslang, Dom, Epignosis, Sloonei, and timmer to the funeral.

The invitations will not be extended to JaggedJimmyJay, trice.

Others may or may not be permitted. I'm still stricken with grief.

I can haz funeral attendance?

Yes, yes I think you deserve it.

Thank you for your care!

<3

[LoRab]

At this point, I'm willing to accept that trice is civilian and Jay is bad.

I doubt the mafia would have the ability to survive a lynch. Also, Jay is a clever person who I think would target me on Night 3.

Why wouldn't the mafia have that ability? On a mafia of only 3 there is often a survives the first attempt on one's life kind of thing on one of the roles.

Also, didn't you argue in the post before this about certainty of insanifiers being necessarily bad? How does this make jjj bad?

I is confused.

[Marmot]

At this point, I'm willing to accept that trice is civilian and Jay is bad.

I doubt the mafia would have the ability to survive a lynch. Also, Jay is a clever person who I think would target me on Night 3.

Why wouldn't the mafia have that ability? On a mafia of only 3 there is often a survives the first attempt on one's life kind of thing on one of the roles.

Also, didn't you argue in the post before this about certainty of insanifiers being necessarily bad? How does this make jjj bad?

I is confused.

Good point.

I also suggested that there is a power-borrower a bit before that, and that might be connected to all of this. As in, someone borrowed the insanifier's ability, and so know's who that person is.

A lot of powers in play and not a lot of information to go off of though, so who knows.



Based on in-thread reads, birdwithteeth is my current top suspect.

[Tangrowth]

Night 1, Vompatti was killed by an unknown cause. The most likely cause (based on Sleep making the most recent kill) is that he was Moya and the kill rebounded. It is also possible another player has an ability to "borrow" a power from another player, and Vompatti's kill on himself.

Night 3, it appears that more players were cursed than Night 1. Again, this points to the potential that somebody out there can "borrow" a power. This is compounded by the fact that LoRab's curse was a oft-used one on the Syndicate (run your text through an insanifier), so the power-borrower didn't get to choose it (Rico chose a simple one).

You just might be onto something.

[Tangrowth]

MM, can you bluntly summarize your case against BWT?

[Marmot]

BWT seemed far too eager to play a big part in this EoD without committing one way or the other (another reason I'm starting to think that trice is civ).

Tentatively I'd still consider MM, but I'm in pure catchup and then re-assess mode right now.

Keep reading. It's why I didn't vote for MM.

He pointed out at T-1.5 hours a reason he didn't vote for me. He eventually voted for me, because of posts like this:

Even if you lynch me today, remaining civvies can still easily win if they listen to me. I'm sort of resigned to the fact that I die every game I ever play (it's why all my victories are as mafia or indy, being alive isn't typically a win condition for them) and even if you don't lynch me, Dom or JJJ will nightkill me before the game is over.

Like I stated before, if you can give me a good enough reason to vote MM, then I would be willing to move my vote there.

Or a good enough reason to vote for anyone other than you at all. I have time to go back and re-read stuff right now.

BWT had just gave trice his vote with fairly strong conviction. He then gives trice the chance to talk himself out of lynch, and me into a lynch. That's taking advantage of trice's situation.


Trice never even gave a reason to vote for me, except that I might have faked a curse or something. Yet, bwt changed his vote to me because timmer did. I see this as buddying with timmer, because bwt had just stated why he hadn't voted for me.

[Tangrowth]

BWT seemed far too eager to play a big part in this EoD without committing one way or the other (another reason I'm starting to think that trice is civ).

Tentatively I'd still consider MM, but I'm in pure catchup and then re-assess mode right now.

Keep reading. It's why I didn't vote for MM.

He pointed out at T-1.5 hours a reason he didn't vote for me. He eventually voted for me, because of posts like this:

Even if you lynch me today, remaining civvies can still easily win if they listen to me. I'm sort of resigned to the fact that I die every game I ever play (it's why all my victories are as mafia or indy, being alive isn't typically a win condition for them) and even if you don't lynch me, Dom or JJJ will nightkill me before the game is over.

Like I stated before, if you can give me a good enough reason to vote MM, then I would be willing to move my vote there.

Or a good enough reason to vote for anyone other than you at all. I have time to go back and re-read stuff right now.

BWT had just gave trice his vote with fairly strong conviction. He then gives trice the chance to talk himself out of lynch, and me into a lynch. That's taking advantage of trice's situation.


Trice never even gave a reason to vote for me, except that I might have faked a curse or something. Yet, bwt changed his vote to me because timmer did. I see this as buddying with timmer, because bwt had just stated why he hadn't voted for me.

This is by far the most compelling thing you've said all game. I'm mulling over it.

[Marmot]

Addendum: It's one thing to push other players. It's another thing to do it at the expense of another player being lynched (especially after we've lynched 3 civilians straight). BWT was doing a fine job interacting with players at EoD, but with little regard to the lynch result.

[Tangrowth]

I'm tired of lynching civilians. Between this game and Lost Again, I'm feeling emotionally taxed.

I'll see what ISO digging I can do tomorrow.

[Marmot]

I may be biased being a victim of the lynch wagon, but I'm still miffed that you guys would actually lynch me while I was still in mourning.

But you failed. You've got me for at least another night bitches.

[Marmot]

I'm tired of lynching civilians. Between this game and Lost Again, I'm feeling emotionally taxed.

I'll see what ISO digging I can do tomorrow.

Let's chat now!

Talk to me about nijuu. She made a single post during EoD, and that was a drive-by vote of me.

[Tangrowth]

MM, at some point earlier in the game you seemed a bit more resigned to being lynched. Today either you or trice survived the lynch. Would you fault me for finding it more plausible that you are the player that survived?

[Tangrowth]

I'm tired of lynching civilians. Between this game and Lost Again, I'm feeling emotionally taxed.

I'll see what ISO digging I can do tomorrow.

Let's chat now!

Talk to me about nijuu. She made a single post during EoD, and that was a drive-by vote of me.

We can talk now, sure, but my brain hurts, I'm pissed at lynching townies in two games, and I'm uninformed, but yeah, OK.

I'm not sure what to think of her. GTH I'd lean slight mafia. What do you think of her?

[Marmot]

My memory serves me poorly. She made 3 posts...

[Marmot]

MM, at some point earlier in the game you seemed a bit more resigned to being lynched. Today either you or trice survived the lynch. Would you fault me for finding it more plausible that you are the player that survived?

The circumstances would suggest it, but I still know nothing.

[Marmot]

I'm tired of lynching civilians. Between this game and Lost Again, I'm feeling emotionally taxed.

I'll see what ISO digging I can do tomorrow.

Let's chat now!

Talk to me about nijuu. She made a single post during EoD, and that was a drive-by vote of me.

We can talk now, sure, but my brain hurts, I'm pissed at lynching townies in two games, and I'm uninformed, but yeah, OK.

I'm not sure what to think of her. GTH I'd lean slight mafia. What do you think of her?

If the curser role is civilian, I'd go with slight civilian. Otherwise, slight mafia. She made 3 posts in her catchup. Her first one was a vote and a warning that she would be playing catchup. Her second took the time to comment on the number of cursed players, and her third is below.

ARGHHHH so I'm all for lynching either MM or trice now, the latter a lot for this (among other reasons read, although not as compelling and beautifully tinfoil-y):

Fun fact: Lorab only started posting in "sad" and "sadness" acronyms after Trice used the Donald Trump syntax.

Crooked Epignosis thinks he can keep throwing whoppers after a civvie insanified him, sad!

I have no idea if that means anything, but it's just funky enough that it tickles my brain.

Linki w/MP: And my half-baked theory is that Trice triggered Lorab's curse with that post.
Linki w/MP2: Uh, starting a lynch this late? Do you really not believe in either of the big trains going right now, or are you conveniently copping out of culpability?
Linki w/Scotty: DAMMIT I TYPE SLOW

Whoa. Nice catch! I refuse to ignore stuff that stands out like that, and this smells so bad. I see the other reasons (as far as I can tell) are for general snark and not doing much baddie hunting. Similar to MM, except I feel more strongly about MM from the last time I voted because of those reasons. My only reservation is the sudden train catching on for MM (like a possible save?), but...I think, because I'm starving and do have that stronger conviction towards MM at the moment (and he appears to have a convenient curse/"curse" on him), I'll go that way today.

Linki - DAMN YOU AND ALL OF YOUR LINKI

Obviously she trusts Boomslang for one reason or another (I'll go with another).

[Tangrowth]

I'm starting to think you're genuine, MM. Am I a fool?

[Marmot]

I'm starting to think you're genuine, MM. Am I a fool?

It's funny what a second (or third chance) at life will do to a marmot.

[Tangrowth]

If BWT is mafia, who is his (other) teammate?

[Marmot]

And you know me. Is there anybody in the history of the Syndicate who's better at escaping lynches than I?

Linki: I don't think it's timmer, nor any of my other civ reads.

• Boomslang
  Dom
  Epignosis
  LoRab
  MovingPictures07
  Sloonei/Quin

Scotty deserves a look (I've been to busy to give it). Jay is still a baddie-read of mine, but that's a bit more subjective.

[Tangrowth]

Sweet, thanks. The more you can elaborate on all of those reads, the better. For now, I'm tired. We'll talk more later.

[Marmot]

G'night

[timmer]

I'm starting to think you're genuine, MM. Am I a fool?

I'm starting to, as well. I think I did MM wrong on this day.

[timmer]

MM, at some point earlier in the game you seemed a bit more resigned to being lynched. Today either you or trice survived the lynch. Would you fault me for finding it more plausible that you are the player that survived?

My gut tells me that it involved a third party, tbh. Trice absolutely did not post like someone who knew he was safe, he was frantic, and oddly enough I feel like MM didn't act right either because he would have been looser than he was. He actually seemed to be hamstrung in retrospect.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Trice, why are you so sure here that mafia has the insanifier ability?

I agree they likely do, but this statement has more certainty.

I guess it's possible a civvie insanified Golden but I don't think anybody thought he was bad so I don't get why one would. Sometimes it really is the most obvious answer.

You never showed me where I had said that since day 1, because I never had. Which is why you never once answered this post.

I didn't know I was arguing that.
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I would love to know what else "Why are you still deeming him useless?" could possibly mean in the context

[triceratopzeuhl]

Trice, we seem to have 3 people posting in some form of curse. Do you think all 3 are legit? If not, which do you think is lying, and why?

I'm pretty sure when roles are finally revealed at the end of the game, Mladic will be rather complication mechanics for cursing people and I don't really know what to think on it. FWIW I didn't even realize Lorab was supposed to be cursed, but if he (she? sorry don't know) is, it's similar in nature to Marmot's (contrast this with random capslocks letters like JJJ/epi) and to Golden's curse earlier in the game. Leads me to believe that if there are 3 curses today, marmot and lorab both come from same source as Golden before, and epi comes from same source as JJJ did, and it's 2 separate sources.

This is still what I believe regarding the curses

[Dom]

I'm tired of lynching civilians. Between this game and Lost Again, I'm feeling emotionally taxed.

I'll see what ISO digging I can do tomorrow.

Let's chat now!

Talk to me about nijuu. She made a single post during EoD, and that was a drive-by vote of me.

I think it was three, but I have been asking for more scrutiny on nju. I actually posted about this earlier, as well as the points you made on BWT--- trying to get people to talk about it. To no avail.

I'm starting to think you're genuine, MM. Am I a fool?

I'm starting to, as well. I think I did MM wrong on this day.

I agree. Which is hwy I voted trice, in part. I also don't trust him at all.

Can you elaborate on why you think you did MM wrong?

Trice, why are you so sure here that mafia has the insanifier ability?

I agree they likely do, but this statement has more certainty.

I guess it's possible a civvie insanified Golden but I don't think anybody thought he was bad so I don't get why one would. Sometimes it really is the most obvious answer.

You never showed me where I had said that since day 1, because I never had. Which is why you never once answered this post.

I didn't know I was arguing that.

I would love to know what else "Why are you still deeming him useless?" could possibly mean in the context[/quote]
BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU WERE STILL DEEMING HIM USELESS
JESUS HAVE WE BEAT THIS HORSE TO DEATH YET

[LoRab]

Trice, we seem to have 3 people posting in some form of curse. Do you think all 3 are legit? If not, which do you think is lying, and why?

I'm pretty sure when roles are finally revealed at the end of the game, Mladic will be rather complication mechanics for cursing people and I don't really know what to think on it. FWIW I didn't even realize Lorab was supposed to be cursed, but if he (she? sorry don't know) is, it's similar in nature to Marmot's (contrast this with random capslocks letters like JJJ/epi) and to Golden's curse earlier in the game. Leads me to believe that if there are 3 curses today, marmot and lorab both come from same source as Golden before, and epi comes from same source as JJJ did, and it's 2 separate sources.

This is still what I believe regarding the curses

To clarify: You believe that all of the curses come from one role/player and not from multiple sources?

[Marmot]

Trice, we seem to have 3 people posting in some form of curse. Do you think all 3 are legit? If not, which do you think is lying, and why?

I'm pretty sure when roles are finally revealed at the end of the game, Mladic will be rather complication mechanics for cursing people and I don't really know what to think on it. FWIW I didn't even realize Lorab was supposed to be cursed, but if he (she? sorry don't know) is, it's similar in nature to Marmot's (contrast this with random capslocks letters like JJJ/epi) and to Golden's curse earlier in the game. Leads me to believe that if there are 3 curses today, marmot and lorab both come from same source as Golden before, and epi comes from same source as JJJ did, and it's 2 separate sources.

This is still what I believe regarding the curses

To clarify: You believe that all of the curses come from one role/player and not from multiple sources?

Yours seems a little different.

But I'd bet the other 4 do come from the same source. Golden, Jay, Epignosis, and myself have been targeted so far. Aside from Sockface (who's in a league of his own), that includes the three highest posters in the thread, plus Epignosis. There's a pattern here.

[LoRab]

Trice, we seem to have 3 people posting in some form of curse. Do you think all 3 are legit? If not, which do you think is lying, and why?

I'm pretty sure when roles are finally revealed at the end of the game, Mladic will be rather complication mechanics for cursing people and I don't really know what to think on it. FWIW I didn't even realize Lorab was supposed to be cursed, but if he (she? sorry don't know) is, it's similar in nature to Marmot's (contrast this with random capslocks letters like JJJ/epi) and to Golden's curse earlier in the game. Leads me to believe that if there are 3 curses today, marmot and lorab both come from same source as Golden before, and epi comes from same source as JJJ did, and it's 2 separate sources.

This is still what I believe regarding the curses

To clarify: You believe that all of the curses come from one role/player and not from multiple sources?

Yours seems a little different.

But I'd bet the other 4 do come from the same source. Golden, Jay, Epignosis, and myself have been targeted so far. Aside from Sockface (who's in a league of his own), that includes the three highest posters in the thread, plus Epignosis. There's a pattern here.

It seems odd to me, though, that 1 player would be able to target 2 different players at a time, though. His post also confuses me. But I might just be really tired.

Personally, I think each curse comes from a separate source.

[Quin]

How many people were insanified each day? The number of people they're able to target might be increasing periodically.

[LoRab]

How many people were insanified each day? The number of people they're able to target might be increasing periodically.

2 people seemed to be cursed in some way day 2. 3 people seemed to be cursed in some way day 3. I think.

We also don't know if there were other people who could have been cursed more subtly; were cursed and did not post; or (least likely) were cursed and were killed the same night.

On day 2, I speculated there was a curser on the civ team and a curser on the bad team. I still think that is logical, because balance. Having a third player apparently cursed on the last day cycle just makes me believe that one of the players in the game has some sort of mimicing ability within their role. I still think there is a civ curser and an evil curser.

It seems entirely too imbalanced for the baddie team to be able to stop at least 3 players from effectively posting in any given day cycle (if sleep were to silence someone and Mladic were able to curse 2 people at a time. That doesn't make sense to me as a game set up.