Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#2451

I feel like fred is sheeping my posts

#2452

Golden wrote:I don't think it has to indicate a 'switch' at all. Sure, you and fred could have been targeted by busdriver Eloh, but all it needs indicate is that I was targeted by a redirector.

Actually yeah you're right. The alternative explanation is rather simple:

Marmot redirected you (and him targeting you on N1 sounds believable by default), and Elohcin targeted Fredwood with whatever. If Elohcin is Marmot's teammate though this'd mean that two baddies targeted Fredwood simultaneously. That'd be weird.

I dunno, I don't think Eloh looks like a civilian at face value.

#2453

CFD Long Con?

#2454

No, marmot is a busdriver! He can't redirect me! And if he targeted Fred I would have seen him!

this conversation is hilarious. I think everyone except Jay gets it.

#2455

Lynches are approximately:
Joh - 5
INH - 3
Everyone else - ?

I'm iffy, but we need to figure something out. Otherwise, we'll have 20 minutes of sitting and Jack will die. 16 alive. Please, everyone throw a vote on your top suspect or a lynch thing. This is going to kill us.

What is a CFD?

#2456

Golden wrote:I feel like fred is sheeping my posts

Lol, if anyone bothered to pay attention to me or do that ISO they promised to, I've been on this from the jump, I believe Speedchuck was the first discussion I had about it.

#2457

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I've had some similar issues with Quin as JOH. I think Quin appears more authentic between the two at face value, though faking authenticity may be his best Mafia trait.
I did not play Mad Max and don't know baddie Quin. Tell me more.

I'll keep it brief while time is short. He joined the game on Day 2 or 3 and immediately bussed his teammate (who I believe was Elohcin). I don't know whether she requested it or he just opted for that strategy. It earned him solid credit until late in the game. Generally his activity level and conveyance of emotion were very well within the image he promotes as a civilian, so his mimicry was to be commended. In the end he became harder to trust when he tunneled Dom to kingdom come for pretty much no sensible reason -- he embraced his tunnely/tinfoily reputation and put it in overdrive.

#2458

Fredwood wrote:
Golden wrote:I feel like fred is sheeping my posts
Lol, if anyone bothered to pay attention to me or do that ISO they promised to, I've been on this from the jump, I believe Speedchuck was the first discussion I had about it.

I had one with SLoonei and just recently had one with Juliets....maybe.

#2459

Fredwood wrote: Why would there be any indication that you were switched with me? It's a possibility, but is certainly not the only or best explanation for his results. A standard Misdirect, a Controlled Misdirect, a Nexus, a pusher, a mirror a combination of another interaction with Marmot's Busdrive, that are all independent of Eloh's targeting of me.

This is fair. I'm gonna stop townreading Eloh by default.

Still better options for a lynch, and we have 23 minutes left to decide that and talk about items if we want to.

#2460

Fredwood wrote:
Golden wrote:I feel like fred is sheeping my posts
Lol, if anyone bothered to pay attention to me or do that ISO they promised to, I've been on this from the jump, I believe Speedchuck was the first discussion I had about it.

Fredwood is desperate for some sweet lovin' but he's being avoided like the plague. Poor Fredwood.

#2461

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.
The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

really?
I never asserted or implied that JOH is the only player who'd have killed Nacho.
It does kind of read as though if this were a BTSC slip, it'd look bad for you because of your part in what he's saying. If you're not bad, I wouldn't actually put much stake in it. Unless you think he's straight up lying.
You're taking my wording too literally.

JOH is referring to the work I did early on Day 2 to try to discern what insight could be gained from the Nacho kill. One suspect I named was JOH, he wasn't the sole suspect. His use of the word "only" is a misrepresentation of what I did.

The thing that really gets me is that both Sloonei and Quin said your tinfoil was part of the reason they were voting for me.

It's not the only thing but I hate that it's there. If you had just had a bad tinfoil, discarded it and that was that...okay.

But two players are including a laughable tinfoil as a reason to lynch me. Maddening.

The only thing anyone should take from that tinfoil is maybe a no w/w between me and you.

#2462

@nutella - sorry for not replying sooner. I'm not sure what to make of inh's defence of marmot. He doesn't fit in any conventional mould that I can think of, so I find him hard to predict at the best of times.

Why I don't like him is his lack of contribution, which isn't like the town inh I'm used to.

#2463

speedchuck wrote:
Fredwood wrote: Why would there be any indication that you were switched with me? It's a possibility, but is certainly not the only or best explanation for his results. A standard Misdirect, a Controlled Misdirect, a Nexus, a pusher, a mirror a combination of another interaction with Marmot's Busdrive, that are all independent of Eloh's targeting of me.
This is fair. I'm gonna stop townreading Eloh by default.

Still better options for a lynch, and we have 23 minutes left to decide that and talk about items if we want to.

On the item front, I mean, just vote for your biggest civ read unless it sounds like something not so good. I don't think there's a need to throw names out or anything.

#2464

Golden wrote:No, marmot is a busdriver! He can't redirect me! And if he targeted Fred I would have seen him!

this conversation is hilarious. I think everyone except Jay gets it.

I just realized sprityo's bus driver is not the same as my bus driver (the bus driver role I came to know on RYM). Oh.

Yeah I don't get it. Regardless I don't consider it a great reason to give Elohcin a pass.

#2465

Quin wrote:
Fredwood wrote:
Golden wrote:I feel like fred is sheeping my posts
Lol, if anyone bothered to pay attention to me or do that ISO they promised to, I've been on this from the jump, I believe Speedchuck was the first discussion I had about it.
Fredwood is desperate for some sweet lovin' but he's being avoided like the plague. Poor Fredwood.

ISO ME DAMNIT, gimme attention.

#2466

speedchuck wrote:Lynches are approximately:
Joh - 5
INH - 3
Everyone else - ?

I'm iffy, but we need to figure something out. Otherwise, we'll have 20 minutes of sitting and Jack will die. 16 alive. Please, everyone throw a vote on your top suspect or a lynch thing. This is going to kill us.

What is a CFD?

Chinese Fire Drill - Sudden bandwagon at EoD! It's the best. It's yuge. It's great. it's true.

Lynch Long Con

#2467

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.
The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

really?
I never asserted or implied that JOH is the only player who'd have killed Nacho.
It does kind of read as though if this were a BTSC slip, it'd look bad for you because of your part in what he's saying. If you're not bad, I wouldn't actually put much stake in it. Unless you think he's straight up lying.
You're taking my wording too literally.

JOH is referring to the work I did early on Day 2 to try to discern what insight could be gained from the Nacho kill. One suspect I named was JOH, he wasn't the sole suspect. His use of the word "only" is a misrepresentation of what I did.
The thing that really gets me is that both Sloonei and Quin said your tinfoil was part of the reason they were voting for me.

It's not the only thing but I hate that it's there. If you had just had a bad tinfoil, discarded it and that was that...okay.

But two players are including a laughable tinfoil as a reason to lynch me. Maddening.

The only thing anyone should take from that tinfoil is maybe a no w/w between me and you.

I asked you to point out which part I brought up in an earlier post was the tinfoil/mistake. I still don't know what you're talking about when you say this.

#2468

oh god

#2469

I don't think LC is a great choice. I don't know what anyone's beef with him is.

#2470

Nobody said anything about this at the time to my memory, so...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Elohcin, you said you were following the pack. I am pretty sure I have seen you do this exact thing before in a game where you didn't keep up, though I can't remember which one or what your alignment was. I'll try to find it.
I looked into this. For reference, I am referring to her last post in this game:

Elohcin wrote:I'm going to vote before I forget. I'm trusting the people...Dyslexicon.
I thought the parallel was more recent, but I traced it back to Turf Wars from April 2016.

Turf Wars Elohcin

She was mafia in that game. The important contextual qualifier is that she subbed in quite late and showed no intention of catching up. Nonetheless the parallel is close and that's not ideal.

#2471

You know what.

Lynch INH.

That is were my gut is at.

#2472

sprityo, we need votals

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2473

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:I don't think it has to indicate a 'switch' at all. Sure, you and fred could have been targeted by busdriver Eloh, but all it needs indicate is that I was targeted by a redirector.
Actually yeah you're right. The alternative explanation is rather simple:

Marmot redirected you (and him targeting you on N1 sounds believable by default), and Elohcin targeted Fredwood with whatever. If Elohcin is Marmot's teammate though this'd mean that two baddies targeted Fredwood simultaneously. That'd be weird.

I dunno, I don't think Eloh looks like a civilian at face value.

No no no. Marmot's role targets the two targets that are switched (in this case that would be you and Fredwood). If this happened, then Eloh would have targeted you originally and been switched to Fred, but presumably Marmot's busdrive would also be seen as targeting Fred.
What Golden and Fred are trying to tell you is that Golden's target could have been redirected by something other than a busdrive (Fred has lots of fancy words for different things I don't understand, but one possibility is that someone has a role that allows them to be like "If Golden targets someone, switch that target to [either someone random or specifically Fredwood]"

#2474

Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Actually, that's a great argument.

Sloonei, we talked about my frustration with HCRealms. Not enough real scumhunting. Not enough participation. I loved the heck out Unfortunate Events. I recruited you over to HCRealms for a game and didn't kill you even though you were far and away the strongest townie and I was scum. Then I recruited Silver and Fred to play here.

Everyone's seen me pushing Fred to give more reads. I clearly want my Realms bros to get Syndicate mafia style exposure.

I didn't kill Silver Lantern. I wanted him to stay alive very badly.
PLZ SLOONEI

SLOONEI PLZ

You know I care more about community than winning. I didn't kill Silver Lantern.

Silver would have killed INH, anyhow, who I am voting for.
There's a line. I'd be inclined to believe this if it wasn't made obvious that Silver was a vig. Would you just never kill him for the sake of community? I don't think so.

@Dys: I don't find his accusations against you to be disingenuous. I agreed with/acknowledged most of them, and I'm getting a good tonal read from him. He hasn't really earned my advocation against his lynch, but I don't think he's a good choice today.

You'd be wrong.

Sloonei kicked my tail in the big crossover champion game.

Then he came to HCRealms, was town while I was mafia and I choose not to have him nightkilled for what? 5 nights? 4? He was the biggest threat (til JJJ replaced in) but I left him alive.

Sloonei having fun in our game and the others getting to play with him was more important to me than winning that game.

Same thing would absolutely apply to Silver in this one.

#2475

nutella wrote:but one possibility is that someone has a role that allows them to be like "If Golden targets someone, switch that target to [either someone random or specifically Fredwood]"

Can't that person be Elohcin? She targets Golden and Fredwood.

Whatever, I hate redirecting roles.

#2476

Maybe I would be up for a CFD. I disagree with Jack's philosophy of community > winning in this specific context, but I can understand it and I'm a sucker for a good appeal.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2477

Aaaaaa I want votals I am trying to decide if I should switch to INH because I am feeling less confident about Jack atm. I'm feeling very frazzled and not very confident about this lynch overall. Idk who I suspect most.

#2478

DOING VOTES IS STRESSFUL FOR EVERYONE

VOTALS:

JoH (5): nutella, Scotty, Sloonei, Quin, juliets,
Fredwood (1): Soneji
INH (5): Golden, speedchuck,JoH, Fredwood, Dyslexicon

With 16 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch and 5 to Soft Lynch.

Day ends in approx, 13 minutes.

#2479

Wew. That's more for INH than I thought.

#2480

Quin wrote:Maybe I would be up for a CFD. I disagree with Jack's philosophy of community > winning in this specific context, but I can understand it and I'm a sucker for a good appeal.

I would like it more if it wasn't the exact same thing I said earlier in the game about Nacho.

I could lynch INH though. He's staring at this EOD madness and _________________.

#2481

nutella wrote:Aaaaaa I want votals I am trying to decide if I should switch to INH because I am feeling less confident about Jack atm. I'm feeling very frazzled and not very confident about this lynch overall. Idk who I suspect most.

I feel the same wayyyy

#2482

I suppose there is no better time to say this but, typically, in CPI style, a tie results in a NO LYNCH.

I think i'll continue this tradition being as this game is my traditions being presented here

#2483

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Maybe I would be up for a CFD. I disagree with Jack's philosophy of community > winning in this specific context, but I can understand it and I'm a sucker for a good appeal.
I would like it more if it wasn't the exact same thing I said earlier in the game about Nacho.

I could lynch INH though. He's staring at this EOD madness and _________________.

I'm expecting a wall post.

#2484

It's well known among Mafiologists that JJJ hates no lynches.

#2485

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Maybe I would be up for a CFD. I disagree with Jack's philosophy of community > winning in this specific context, but I can understand it and I'm a sucker for a good appeal.
I would like it more if it wasn't the exact same thing I said earlier in the game about Nacho.

I could lynch INH though. He's staring at this EOD madness and _________________.
I'm expecting a wall post.

goddamn it

just caught up

#2486

VOTE LYNCH JoH

#2487

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's well known among Mafiologists that JJJ hates no lynches.

Is a tie a no lynch?

#2488

My face when Soneji's vote is pointless

#2489

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's well known among Mafiologists that JJJ hates no lynches.
Is a tie a no lynch?

Yeah

#2490

I'm as well considering shifting the times of day start/end to 11pm EST instead of 10 since im not able to give you guys votals in critical times it seems.
I will definitely put this into effect for this next phase, currently considering to extend tonight

#2491

insertnamehere wrote:VOTE LYNCH JoH

vote INH

#2492

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Maybe I would be up for a CFD. I disagree with Jack's philosophy of community > winning in this specific context, but I can understand it and I'm a sucker for a good appeal.
I would like it more if it wasn't the exact same thing I said earlier in the game about Nacho.

I could lynch INH though. He's staring at this EOD madness and _________________.
I'm expecting a wall post.

I'm expecting a ninja vote.

#2493

Linki - Oh look. A ninja vote.

#2494

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My face when Soneji's vote is pointless

I could CFD Soneji. Scotty's the other option, but I'm not an asshole.

#2495

WHY CANT WE ALL HAVE NORMAL SCHEDULES?!

VOTALS:

JoH (6): nutella, Scotty, Sloonei, Quin, juliets, INH
Fredwood (1): Soneji
INH (5): Golden, speedchuck,JoH, Fredwood, Dyslexicon

With 16 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch and 5 to Soft Lynch.

Day ends in approx, 7 minutes.

#2496

can someone please link to the nonsense case against me, so I have something to respond to? Cause all I'm reading is people bitching at me for suspecting Dyslexicon, and bitching at me for not being on the MM train.

I guess I just pissed off the wrong people

#2497

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My face when Soneji's vote is pointless
I could CFD Soneji. Scotty's the other option, but I'm not an asshole.

I heard that.

#2498

welp

time for a hail mary

I'M AN INDEPENDENT LMS ROLE

#2499

insertnamehere wrote:welp

time for a hail mary

I'M AN INDEPENDENT LMS ROLE

Tell me moar

#2500

What is lms

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