Mass Effect Mafia (END)

#2001

Fredwood wrote:And he's not getting lynched today.

Why are you not a null to bad read? What have you done other then suspect people who are either cleared, or likely cleared?

And really...it's process of elimination...don't act like it's not a valid thing to pursue, that's the wrong tact to take. You've done nothing harmful to either side, and there's nothing you've done pro-town. While it doesn't mean scum, it also means I can't clear you either.

RIght now there are 4 people that I'm comfortable with, Jack isn't in that list, but he's pretty close to it, you're no where near it. You constantly saying he's Bad, with no real argument other then He's bad...other people think so too, isn't really helping your case TBH.

You may think they are cleared, I do not. I feel that your standards for "clearing" are lower than mine. I have seen baddies that NK their own teammates and who fight to the death in thread to lynch each other so the survivor can sail on the cred.

I would not put anything past some people I know, and not knowing most of the HCR folk, I will work on the assumption that they are equally capable of high shenanigans.

#2002

let me make it known that Immortal_Raven is currently voting in the Host/dead/non players section of the chart. (sorry bud, you cant do that

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#2003

@Sprityo

IR said he targeted you last night.

#2004

S~V~S wrote:Show of hands~ does ANYONE think Jack is a civ?

Not a chance, and I'm not really guessing. =) Voting Jack

Celebrating tonight and will catch up tomorrow.

#2005

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Sprityo

IR said he targeted you last night.

and he would be correct. very well. i dont need specifics, that'll pass.

#2006

Votes Epignosis

#2007

Dyslexicon wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Show of hands~ does ANYONE think Jack is a civ?
Not a chance, and I'm not really guessing. =) Voting Jack

Celebrating tonight and will catch up tomorrow.

This should be good.

#2008

For the record, I think self watching is generally a huge waste, especially with outed townies.

#2009

I mean, literally the one person you can target and not be able to catch a killer.

#2010

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:For the record, I think self watching is generally a huge waste, especially with outed townies.

My gut told me to do it, and my gut got me some results

I dont see it as a waste

linki: unless your killer poisons you and you die the night after. but that's just me

#2011

in addition, i make it almost mandatory that youre unable to self target in my setups, since it's what im used to

#2012

I've been busy all day, but I'll be around off and on (mostly off) for the next handful of hours. I'll just be around trying to at least catch up on conversation in this phase thus far and posting things whenever I can.

#2013

Cool, we lynching Epi this phase? Any reason, or just because he's a neutral?

#2014

S~V~S wrote:
Fredwood wrote:And he's not getting lynched today.

Why are you not a null to bad read? What have you done other then suspect people who are either cleared, or likely cleared?

And really...it's process of elimination...don't act like it's not a valid thing to pursue, that's the wrong tact to take. You've done nothing harmful to either side, and there's nothing you've done pro-town. While it doesn't mean scum, it also means I can't clear you either.

RIght now there are 4 people that I'm comfortable with, Jack isn't in that list, but he's pretty close to it, you're no where near it. You constantly saying he's Bad, with no real argument other then He's bad...other people think so too, isn't really helping your case TBH.
You may think they are cleared, I do not. I feel that your standards for "clearing" are lower than mine. I have seen baddies that NK their own teammates and who fight to the death in thread to lynch each other so the survivor can sail on the cred.

I would not put anything past some people I know, and not knowing most of the HCR folk, I will work on the assumption that they are equally capable of high shenanigans.

lol the second post where you completely deflect and don't defend yourself. Saying other people are not good is not a defense. Especially since, you know, they've actually done stuff.

Jack isn't as scary as you're making him out to be, and you haven't given any precedence for Nut being as maniacally evil as to pre-bus teammates to buy credibility or something on the same level of deviousness.

So trying to argue Jack is reaper is silly, and if you can't cite precedence on anyone else, I'm left to explore more neutral options.

Before you say Jack can still be Cerberus, he can, but one possibility has been eliminated, no possibilities have been eliminated for the people on that list.

#2015

MovingPictures07 wrote:Cool, we lynching Epi this phase? Any reason, or just because he's a neutral?

My vote is placeholder at the moment, so if there are shenanigans my vote will be used for someone I don't give a crap about.

Additionally it's more to do with him being a cryptic and coy neutral then just a straight neutral that people are willing to vote him.

#2016

MovingPictures07 wrote:Cool, we lynching Epi this phase? Any reason, or just because he's a neutral?

The essential argument is that Epi is either town or Reaper. The Reapers know which. The rest of us do not.

Instead of trying to help the town, he's playing this distracting riddle game and voting for a known townie.

That's not good guy behavior.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2017

people I will not vote for:
Nifty (obv)
Wilgy (back to thinking he's town)
Fredwood (obv)
sprityo (I believe his claim)

Anyone else is fair game. SVS, convince me on Jack. Fred/Jack, convince me on SVS. So far nobody has been particularly convincing about anything.

#2018

I'm not convinced of anything with SVS, or the other people I've mentioned. I'm saying I can't put her in any category, do ithe is annoying to have such a large group of people for POE. I don't like the way she's defending herself other then that I got nothing.

#2019

Fredwood wrote:I'm not convinced of anything with SVS, or the other people I've mentioned. I'm saying I can't put her in any category, This is annoying for me to have such a large group of people for POE. I don't like the way she's defending herself other then that I got nothing.

Phone EWIOP

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2020

Actually maybe take that back about Wilgy. thought I'd seen something that more or less cleared him in my mind but I think I am misremembering. I could still be convinced he's bad.

#2021

Wilgy could be reaper, and I liked his logic day 2. I'm willing to give a pass on day 3. Regardless I can at least say something about him in regards to alignment.

#2022

I don't like either of the two top lynches right now for various reasons.

But let's return to the guy who hasn't answered my last question yet:

Wilgy, vote for anyone you really don't want to lynch

#2023

@Tony

Who would you prefer?

#2024

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Tony

Who would you prefer?

IR or dizzy right now are my biggest suspects. I don't quite see the value in lynching Epi just because he isn't being the most helpful. A

#2025

tbh i think he wouldnt be in such a weird position had he not claimed nuetral.

#2026

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Tony

Who would you prefer?
IR or dizzy right now are my biggest suspects. I don't quite see the value in lynching Epi just because he isn't being the most helpful. A

I'm not pushing an Epi lynch, I have to vote for someone to see the polls, I missed all the stuff yesterday with Jack because I hadn't voted for someone.

#2027

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Tony

Who would you prefer?
IR or dizzy right now are my biggest suspects. I don't quite see the value in lynching Epi just because he isn't being the most helpful. A

I'd be 100% down for a Dizzy lynch.

I'm not seeing town Raven but then again, I'm not seeing much Raven at all. I have very little reason to suspect or trust him. You got a case on Raven?

#2028

Yeah, I have nothing on Raven as well, which is why I listed him and a person of focus for this phase.

Aside from some interactions with Fish, I really haven't seen much noteworthy from him. I'm kind of lightly reading him as not Cerberus, I don't think he defends Fish if they're scummates, but with it being a new environment, I really don't know how to view the interaction so I've left it null.

#2029

TonyStarkPrime wrote:I don't like either of the two top lynches right now for various reasons.

But let's return to the guy who hasn't answered my last question yet:

Wilgy, vote for anyone you really don't want to lynch

#2030

Epignosis wrote:
TonyStarkPrime wrote:I don't like either of the two top lynches right now for various reasons.

But let's return to the guy who hasn't answered my last question yet:

Wilgy, vote for anyone you really don't want to lynch

Do you wanna say anything else? I don't want to lynch you, apparently Wilgy doesn't want to lynch you, but you might have to make a case for someone else if you want to survive.

#2031

Jack
Tony
Wigly
Fred
Nifty

LC
Nut
Sprityo
Adam
MP
Raven

Dizzy
SVS
Epi

I'd strongly prefer to lynch from the bottom 3. I've put forth cases on all of them. I will not vote for the others in the top 4.

#2032

Jack, i feel better about you recently, and opt to not lynch you over someone else.

Albeit ill need to start doing some ISOs once Epi is dead

#2033

Adam? Raven?

Anything at all ya'll would like to contribute?

#2034

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Adam? Raven?

Anything at all ya'll would like to contribute?

Nope, nothing to see here. I voted for the null option simply to get my vote listed so I could see where the votes were. It wasn't showing up before and I didn't know who to vote for before. It will change soon.

I feel I'm having the opposite and same effect as Wilgy who I'm leaning more Civ now. He was instrumental in lynching gfish and also fairly helpful in catching Silver. Two opposite factions and now he's silenced. That speaks a lot toward Civ or a very convincing play as scum. I conversely failed miserably on both of those lynches being the useless Civ that I am.

Right now I'm going to put a vote on sprityo. While Sprit liked the answer I gave in that I targeted him, I don't know how he would have acquired that information short of being a Reaper or neutral. If I subscribe to Wilgy being town and making a recommendation against sprityo last day phase (I do), logic says to vote for sprityo.

#2035

Sprityo claimed Tali, town x shot RT and iirc x shot misdirector or jailkeeper or some such.

I question the usefulness of his info, especially as a scumcatching device, given he had already claimed.

What we get from this is Sprityo vouching that you aren't the silencer and maybe not the mafia hitperson (assuming you were the only one to target him), for whatever that's worth.

#2036

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1
Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.

If robots could feel love, I'd love you for trying.

#2037

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Sprityo claimed Tali, town x shot RT and iirc x shot misdirector or jailkeeper or some such.

I question the usefulness of his info, especially as a scumcatching device, given he had already claimed.

What we get from this is Sprityo vouching that you aren't the silencer and maybe not the mafia hitperson (assuming you were the only one to target him), for whatever that's worth.

He did? I think I skimmed too much on my phone at work and missed that.

#2038

Epignosis wrote:
TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1
Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.
If robots could feel love, I'd love you for trying.

Epi, where is your head at right now? Your play today has been odd, do you want to talk about it?

#2039

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1
Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.
If robots could feel love, I'd love you for trying.
Epi, where is your head at right now? Your play today has been odd, do you want to talk about it?

Probably not.

#2040

Immortal_Raven wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Adam? Raven?

Anything at all ya'll would like to contribute?
Nope, nothing to see here. I voted for the null option simply to get my vote listed so I could see where the votes were. It wasn't showing up before and I didn't know who to vote for before. It will change soon.

I feel I'm having the opposite and same effect as Wilgy who I'm leaning more Civ now. He was instrumental in lynching gfish and also fairly helpful in catching Silver. Two opposite factions and now he's silenced. That speaks a lot toward Civ or a very convincing play as scum. I conversely failed miserably on both of those lynches being the useless Civ that I am.

Right now I'm going to put a vote on sprityo. While Sprit liked the answer I gave in that I targeted him, I don't know how he would have acquired that information short of being a Reaper or neutral. If I subscribe to Wilgy being town and making a recommendation against sprityo last day phase (I do), logic says to vote for sprityo.

So youre asking how i couldve tracked you visiting me when all i can do is reverse track?

....i reverse tracked myself. Didnt me and Jack just discuss this?

#2041

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1
Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.
If robots could feel love, I'd love you for trying.
Epi, where is your head at right now? Your play today has been odd, do you want to talk about it?

Odd? What should my play today ideally be?

#2042

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
TonyStarkPrime wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1
Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.
If robots could feel love, I'd love you for trying.
Epi, where is your head at right now? Your play today has been odd, do you want to talk about it?
Odd? What should my play today ideally be?

We don't have to talk if you don't want to.

#2043

You can talk about whatever you would like.

#2044

I know that sprityo claimed that, but RTing oneself is inherently a weak idea. If you're killed or blocked or MDed in any way, your action is in effect wasted. I would think a solid player would know that even if powers aren't the norm here.

My more likely scenario is that sprit has been lightly after me since gfish was lynched, indicating that he thinks I'm Cereberus aligned. Saren of the Reapers has a one-shot tracking ability that I would say he hoped to catch me killing someone last night. Failing that, hoping to catch me in a lie about who I targeted would be an option. I'm on a lot of crap lists for being both quiet and not lynching folks who turned out to be scum. If he can waste a day lynching me, he can chalk it up to reads relatively easy as I'm not a terribly controversial lynch candidate at this point.

Bottom line, the action sprit claims to have taken is weak at best and I don't believe it for one minute. I think he's Saren or possibly Aria in the neutral segment.

#2045

sprityo wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:For the record, I think self watching is generally a huge waste, especially with outed townies.
My gut told me to do it, and my gut got me some results

I dont see it as a waste

linki: unless your killer poisons you and you die the night after. but that's just me

1. What do you mean, Jack, "especially with outed townies"? Is sprityo an outed townie?

2. So, sprit is claiming to have self-watched, and Tali is the only role that can do that? I haven't looked at the roles for that yet.

3. Night 3, sprit, you self-watch and use up one of your two uses, based on gut. Do you suspect I_R? Do you know what he did to you? What are the possibilities?

#2046

FWIW, Wilgy moved his vote to Sprityo.

#2047

Immortal_Raven wrote:I know that sprityo claimed that, but RTing oneself is inherently a weak idea. If you're killed or blocked or MDed in any way, your action is in effect wasted. I would think a solid player would know that even if powers aren't the norm here.

My more likely scenario is that sprit has been lightly after me since gfish was lynched, indicating that he thinks I'm Cereberus aligned. Saren of the Reapers has a one-shot tracking ability that I would say he hoped to catch me killing someone last night. Failing that, hoping to catch me in a lie about who I targeted would be an option. I'm on a lot of crap lists for being both quiet and not lynching folks who turned out to be scum. If he can waste a day lynching me, he can chalk it up to reads relatively easy as I'm not a terribly controversial lynch candidate at this point.

Bottom line, the action sprit claims to have taken is weak at best and I don't believe it for one minute. I think he's Saren or possibly Aria in the neutral segment.

Reverse-Tracking. RTing. Got it. These are new terms for most Syndicate folk, I think. We don't have a standard set of lingo for watching and tracking; those roles have been rarities in the past as far as I can remember

Your version of things sounds more believable than sprityo's version, at least at this point, where I'm still working toward full understanding of all the possibilities (as in, which roles are out there that can track/watch/RT, etc).

#2048

Long Con wrote:
sprityo wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:For the record, I think self watching is generally a huge waste, especially with outed townies.
My gut told me to do it, and my gut got me some results

I dont see it as a waste

linki: unless your killer poisons you and you die the night after. but that's just me
1. What do you mean, Jack, "especially with outed townies"? Is sprityo an outed townie?

2. So, sprit is claiming to have self-watched, and Tali is the only role that can do that? I haven't looked at the roles for that yet.

3. Night 3, sprit, you self-watch and use up one of your two uses, based on gut. Do you suspect I_R? Do you know what he did to you? What are the possibilities?

1. No. I mean a watcher should be watching confirmed/suspected townies to try to catch a scum killer red handed. Watching yourself usually doesn't help and leaves townies open to kill/block/misdirect/etc.

2. Yes but no. Other people could do that (as Raven pointed out, there's a mafia member with a track) or the results (just confirming what IR said) could have been made up.

#2049

Immortal_Raven wrote:I know that sprityo claimed that, but RTing oneself is inherently a weak idea. If you're killed or blocked or MDed in any way, your action is in effect wasted. I would think a solid player would know that even if powers aren't the norm here.

My more likely scenario is that sprit has been lightly after me since gfish was lynched, indicating that he thinks I'm Cereberus aligned. Saren of the Reapers has a one-shot tracking ability that I would say he hoped to catch me killing someone last night. Failing that, hoping to catch me in a lie about who I targeted would be an option. I'm on a lot of crap lists for being both quiet and not lynching folks who turned out to be scum. If he can waste a day lynching me, he can chalk it up to reads relatively easy as I'm not a terribly controversial lynch candidate at this point.

Bottom line, the action sprit claims to have taken is weak at best and I don't believe it for one minute. I think he's Saren or possibly Aria in the neutral segment.

Don't think I didn't notice who claimed first. Nothing saying Syo has a track or watch at all.

That said, I'm not inclined to vote Sprityo today.

#2050

Long Con wrote: Reverse-Tracking. RTing. Got it. These are new terms for most Syndicate folk, I think. We don't have a standard set of lingo for watching and tracking; those roles have been rarities in the past as far as I can remember

I've had to google a dozen acronyms that you guys were using. That's why we play together: to learn.