Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Left out this bit.

Linki: Spirit, you're putting words in Jack's mouth. im working off prior experience with jack, who tends to be paranoid, Mass Effect Mafia pops to mind Asking you what you think about me could indicate suspicion of me; it could also be an attempt to pry info from you. And not admitting that possibility is deflection. i suppose youre right

[LoRab]

Host question: Question about the man in the tan jacket. Is his role from before or after the events of the novel?

[sprityo]

Oh hell naw. I am NOT about to be shoved into a freaking corner by Jack AGAIN, I am not dying before freaking day 3 AGAIN, and will not be the butt of all suspicion when you guys don't want to freaking look elsewhere.

Let me rephrase jack, I said paranoid in the sense you OMGUS anyone who so much as glances at you. What are you doing right now? The exact. Same. Thing. Maybe once I see something different, say you going after someone on your own instead of waiting for someone to come to you, I will change my opinion. But for now, the way you play will almost always make me suspicious of you.

[speedchuck]

Sprit what do you think of Golden, Wilgy, Rico, Neverwhere, and Nutella?

[DrWilgy]

Oh hell naw. I am NOT about to be shoved into a freaking corner by Jack AGAIN, I am not dying before freaking day 3 AGAIN, and will not be the butt of all suspicion when you guys don't want to freaking look elsewhere.

If it's any consolation Sprityo, I'm not suspicious of you. I based on your play in pokemon mafia, I think that people suspect you frequently due to you having a voice that doesn't split opinion from fact.

This thing with Boomslang may be a good example, as he had to go out of his way to break down what I believed to be more of an opinion statement. Perhaps Boom read it as a fact statement. I'm unsure.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'll halfbow, if that's the new thing

Green: Redacted
YellowGreen: Redacted
GreenYellow: Redacted
Yellow: Redacted.
YellowOrange: Epi, spirityo, neverwhere
OrangeYellow: Golden, INH, JOH, LongCon
Orange: Dom
OrangeRed: DF
RedOrange/ Red: None

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'll halfbow, if that's the new thing

Green: Redacted
YellowGreen: Redacted
GreenYellow: Redacted
Yellow: Redacted.
YellowOrange: Epi, spirityo, neverwhere
OrangeYellow: Golden, INH, JOH, LongCon
Orange: Dom
OrangeRed: DF
RedOrange/ Red: None

Why Dom?
Why LC?

[speedchuck]

I'll halfbow, if that's the new thing

Green: Redacted
YellowGreen: Redacted
GreenYellow: Redacted
Yellow: Redacted.
YellowOrange: Epi, spirityo, neverwhere
OrangeYellow: Golden, INH, JOH, LongCon
Orange: Dom
OrangeRed: DF
RedOrange/ Red: None

Why Dom?
Why LC?

Why DF? And Jack, why not DF? (If you catch my meaning.)

[Golden]

I find the stuff pointed at me hilarious. Anyone who knows me well should have me as nothing but pure green by this point. This is one of those games where I am making absolutely no effort to disguise the fact that I'm on my town meta. There is literally zero about my play that resembles my baddie game. Having said that, I didn't think Jack could read me in the first place

PS Jack - if you want committal, wait for tomorrow. I have two people I'm confident are mafia. I'm just not saying it at night.

[Golden]

@Jack - you can normally rely on some natural nightkill attrition in multi-scum games, but you can't refuse to help each other solve the game to the extent it undermines our ability to catch baddies. I've been part of games where, after a couple of baddies down, the teams join into a single team and you never hear about it. You can't fully rely on mechanics.

Besides, just because we agree someone is town doesn't mean they are. We might just as well be pushing the mafia into killing one of the opposite mafia by accident.

I don't disagree with any of this. Couple odd turns of phrase, here. Implying I'm going "refuse" do do anything but "rely" on mechanics.

I'm not using 'you' in the sense of 'jack' and implying you're going to do that. I'm talking general, like.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'll halfbow, if that's the new thing

Green: Redacted
YellowGreen: Redacted
GreenYellow: Redacted
Yellow: Redacted.
YellowOrange: Epi, spirityo, neverwhere
OrangeYellow: Golden, INH, JOH, LongCon
Orange: Dom
OrangeRed: DF
RedOrange/ Red: None

Why Dom?
Why LC?

Why DF? And Jack, why not DF? (If you catch my meaning.)

Cause I think I know why DF. No need to ask.

I find the stuff pointed at me hilarious. Anyone who knows me well should have me as nothing but pure green by this point. This is one of those games where I am making absolutely no effort to disguise the fact that I'm on my town meta. There is literally zero about my play that resembles my baddie game. Having said that, I didn't think Jack could read me in the first place

PS Jack - if you want committal, wait for tomorrow. I have two people I'm confident are mafia. I'm just not saying it at night.

I knew you were good in ASOUE and bad in Phenon. Not on Day 1, though.

Looking forward to your arguements tomorrow.

[Golden]

I actually do think you can read me ok Jack, I'm just teasing. But people who know me should know that 'raptor testing fences' is absolutely never going to be my baddie game. I'm exhibiting a whole lot of behaviours that naturally draw heat, like being enigmatic and not really appearing to care that much. I defy anyone to find a baddie game where I do that.

[Golden]

None of this is about alignment, so far as I can tell.

That's exactly right, and it's because I'm neither reading Wilgy as bad nor trying particularly hard to defend against his case. I'm just having fun.

[Golden]

Golden, what is your current read on Wilgy and Rico?

Both good I think, but they have to be probably the two players I most can't read for shit.

[Golden]

I believe he's trying to replicate a supatown Golden, but his views and angles are coming from something that is not a hunter.

Here is all the evidence you need to see that Wilgy can't read me very well. I am literally making zero effort to replicate supatown Golden.

[speedchuck]

None of this is about alignment, so far as I can tell.

That's exactly right, and it's because I'm neither reading Wilgy as bad nor trying particularly hard to defend against his case. I'm just having fun.

This post (as well as the few others) makes me feel a bit better about you, unless someone else calls you out and contradicts you on your meta somehow.

[DrWilgy]

I believe he's trying to replicate a supatown Golden, but his views and angles are coming from something that is not a hunter.

Here is all the evidence you need to see that Wilgy can't read me very well. I am literally making zero effort to replicate supatown Golden.

Allow me to rephrase. I meant that you were trying to replicate a supatown in general. Not a supatown golden in specific.

[speedchuck]

Hey, is there anyone here who can summarize Eloh's meta?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'll halfbow, if that's the new thing

Green: Redacted
YellowGreen: Redacted
GreenYellow: Redacted
Yellow: Redacted.
YellowOrange: Epi, spirityo, neverwhere
OrangeYellow: Golden, INH, JOH, LongCon
Orange: Dom
OrangeRed: DF
RedOrange/ Red: None

Why Dom?
Why LC?

Dom is kind of based on consensus, I've really only played with him once but several people have said that he wasn't quite acting himself and what he posted seemed different from how I remember him in Mass Effect. Also, missing a day

LC just feels off to me. I can't point to anything, and his interactions look fine on paper.

@Speed I didn't really like DF's Day 0 posts, so that's a slight scum read, then he gave a Day 1 post of I'm voting for somebody because weird reasons, which seems unhelpful. Plus, low post count but split between phases, which seems more scummish than missing a phase.

[Golden]

I believe he's trying to replicate a supatown Golden, but his views and angles are coming from something that is not a hunter.

Here is all the evidence you need to see that Wilgy can't read me very well. I am literally making zero effort to replicate supatown Golden.

Allow me to rephrase. I meant that you were trying to replicate a supatown in general. Not a supatown golden in specific.

Allow me to rephrase - I'm specifically trying not to play as any kind of supatown.

[Golden]

Hey, is there anyone here who can summarize Eloh's meta?

Yes.

Epignosis.

[LoRab]

Hey, is there anyone here who can summarize Eloh's meta?

Enigmatic.

[Ricochet]

I actually do think you can read me ok Jack, I'm just teasing. But people who know me should know that 'raptor testing fences' is absolutely never going to be my baddie game. I'm exhibiting a whole lot of behaviours that naturally draw heat, like being enigmatic and not really appearing to care that much. I defy anyone to find a baddie game where I do that.

[speedchuck]

What's your confidence level on that read, rico?

[Ricochet]

EBWOP

I find the stuff pointed at me hilarious. Anyone who knows me well should have me as nothing but pure green by this point. This is one of those games where I am making absolutely no effort to disguise the fact that I'm on my town meta. There is literally zero about my play that resembles my baddie game. Having said that, I didn't think Jack could read me in the first place

PS Jack - if you want committal, wait for tomorrow. I have two people I'm confident are mafia. I'm just not saying it at night.

[Ricochet]

What's your confidence level on that read, rico?

[insertnamehere]

well according to golden, golden's acting exactly how he does when he's a civilian, so I don't see any way anyone else can contradict him on that

also, if golden is highly aware of how he is when he's a civilian to "people who know him," wouldn't he try and, I dunno, act exactly that way when he's bad?

just some brain food

[LoRab]

Looking at the poll and thinking about the show...

Big Rico's pizza is heavily implied to be run by the mafia (they had a wheat speakeasy going on after the wheat and wheat byproduct ban), as well as being the only pizzeria in town that hasn't burned down in an unsolved arson case....also, the hooded figures hang out there (they're not directly in the game, but on WTNV, they are mysterious figures who seem to control some of the politics). I would guess that that option is connected to one of the mafia teams, if the night polls are set up to benefit various groups.

None of the options seem directly connected to Strex Corps.

Jerry's tacos is run by the hooded figures.

Gino's is all about the experience, especially since they can no longer serve wheat and wheat by products. But it's still supposed to be good.

The former Sous Chef at Shame (the time rated fine dining restaurant) is now the executive chef at Tourniquet (the very hip spot in town).

The Moonlite All Night Diner is a place where people meet up. Everyone seems to eat there, including the Apache Tracker and Pamela Winchell. It's a place where everyone goes because it's convenient. Other characters mentioned in association with it we didn't know enough about when this game was created to judge that.

Arby's has lights above it--that's all we really know.

KFC and National Guard I actually forgot had ever been mentioned--so not so important to the show, lol.

[nutella]

well according to golden, golden's acting exactly how he does when he's a civilian, so I don't see any way anyone else can contradict him on that

also, if golden is highly aware of how he is when he's a civilian to "people who know him," wouldn't he try and, I dunno, act exactly that way when he's bad?

just some brain food

Yeah. He has fooled me before. I forget which game, but it was whenever he was bad recently and did a good job of looking like his civ self.

[Golden]

well according to golden, golden's acting exactly how he does when he's a civilian, so I don't see any way anyone else can contradict him on that

also, if golden is highly aware of how he is when he's a civilian to "people who know him," wouldn't he try and, I dunno, act exactly that way when he's bad?

just some brain food

No

[Golden]

well according to golden, golden's acting exactly how he does when he's a civilian, so I don't see any way anyone else can contradict him on that

also, if golden is highly aware of how he is when he's a civilian to "people who know him," wouldn't he try and, I dunno, act exactly that way when he's bad?

just some brain food

Yeah. He has fooled me before. I forget which game, but it was whenever he was bad recently and did a good job of looking like his civ self.

The case is that I don't look like my town self, eh? You're making my point for me.

[Golden]

If I'm bad I'm damn well going to look like what people think of as town golden.

I think inh has run that exact argument twice against me and been wrong both times. When I don't care what I look like, it's because no one is relying on me. I wouldn't use that as a baddie because getting lynched early for not looking like my 'town self' is stupid when bad.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Classic WIFOM.

Town Golden will look like Town Golden. What we see is (apparently) not town Golden, therefore, it is mafia Golden. Mafia Golden would stand out less and would behave more like town Golden, therefore, it must be town Golden.

[speedchuck]

I'm inclined to believe Golden for now. Plus his reads are not all that unlike mine.

[Golden]

Classic WIFOM.

Town Golden will look like Town Golden. What we see is (apparently) not town Golden, therefore, it is mafia Golden. Mafia Golden would stand out less and would behave more like town Golden, therefore, it must be town Golden.

Exactly!

[speedchuck]

I like this game. Is good.

[DFaraday]

If I'm bad I'm damn well going to look like what people think of as town golden.

But you just said your play this game looks exactly like your civ game. Anyway, I've played a million games with you and never bothered to learn how to distinguish civvie Golden and baddie Golden. I'm generally anti-meta, so I try not to leave any meta surrounding myself and rarely pay attention to it in others.

My universally panned vote for Wilgy didn't go anywhere after Made came back civ, so I'm no longer pinged by him. I also don't think much of the Sprit/Boom connection, especially after Sprit's genuine seeming reaction.

[DFaraday]

Voting Jerry's Tacos because I like tacos.

[speedchuck]

My universally panned vote for Wilgy didn't go anywhere after Made came back civ, so I'm no longer pinged by him.

Could you re-explain the connection here real quick

[Dom]

caAtcHing UP

yay elo! <3

i don't remember quoting this post but it, alas, is ehre

What's a FEB?

It stands for Fucking Evil Bastard (or Bitch, depending on whom it is describing). It's a term of endearment, for dastardly genius kind of baddies. :FEB: is the official FEB smiley, created by Long Con, at my request, and based loosely on a player who hasn't played for a very long time.

petition for diamond dog to come back as asap as possible

I am good at reading: Dom, LC, Nut, Speed

I can kinda read: Doc, Golden, Tony

I always scum read: DF, Eloh

I'm not so great at reading: Epi, Sprityo, INH, Never

I've never/barely played with: Boom, Made, Rico, Lorab, Timmer

So anybody from the bolded lists I suppose. Back and forthing on my new SL, Sprityo. I'll let his reactions determine how much free pass he gets.

Linki: I miss Marmot.

Qualify statement, por favor.
You've played with me how many times? LOL k bro

Why Boomslang? Why Dom?

Why not?

Sorry. I thought you had a plan.

Dom looks good if he wasn't Dom. Hmm. The meaner Dom is the more town he is? My eye is on Dom but I won't vote him today as is. Likelihood of figuring him out later is too high.

I have trouble voting Boomslang day one cause we've never played together and he/she hasn't posted yet. Unlike Dom, I'm a nice townie.

Linki: Nevermind. Welcome to the party, BS.

RUDE
jk
but seriously this is HILARIOUS to me. Go read Another World (name of game??? idk the one where I was a statue) Mafia. Or Star Wars Mafia.

lol

linki if you guys could just like stop posting while i catch up i'd appreciate it k thx

[Dom]

You though. What are you doing this game Golden?

What do you think I'm doing?

Golden, why didn't you ever answer this question?

Golden- where did I misplaced my keys? I can't seem to find them anywhere!

Check the piano.

is that a piano?

Hi Golden. Are you supatown?

What do you think?

Golden, why didn't you ever answer this question?

The noun is "English Language". Mastery is the, err... verb. And no is the adverb?

i am disappoint.

Voting Dom

Was tempted towards a timmer vote as well, but that would be a policy lynch. Dom isn't.

Golden is probably bad y'all.

Golden, what makes Dom not a "policy lynch?"

Me actually having grounds to read him as bad.

How so?

Dom

k bro
i am disappoint

How about a halfbow?

Good guys
People who are too quiet
Lorab
Golden
Nutella
Dom
DF
Boomerjack
Sprityo

LoRab, Golden, and Nutella all stood out to me in my read through. Two as civvies and one as a baddie.
So like... how?

I find the stuff pointed at me hilarious. Anyone who knows me well should have me as nothing but pure green by this point. This is one of those games where I am making absolutely no effort to disguise the fact that I'm on my town meta. There is literally zero about my play that resembles my baddie game. Having said that, I didn't think Jack could read me in the first place

PS Jack - if you want committal, wait for tomorrow. I have two people I'm confident are mafia. I'm just not saying it at night.

lol and guess what guys, neither is probably dom.

I'll halfbow, if that's the new thing

Green: Redacted
YellowGreen: Redacted
GreenYellow: Redacted
Yellow: Redacted.
YellowOrange: Epi, spirityo, neverwhere
OrangeYellow: Golden, INH, JOH, LongCon
Orange: Dom
OrangeRed: DF
RedOrange/ Red: None

Why Dom?
Why LC?

Dom is kind of based on consensus, I've really only played with him once but several people have said that he wasn't quite acting himself and what he posted seemed different from how I remember him in Mass Effect. Also, missing a day

LC just feels off to me. I can't point to anything, and his interactions look fine on paper.

@Speed I didn't really like DF's Day 0 posts, so that's a slight scum read, then he gave a Day 1 post of I'm voting for somebody because weird reasons, which seems unhelpful. Plus, low post count but split between phases, which seems more scummish than missing a phase.

What consensus was there. Cite it. Use people other than Golden.

[Dom]

K am caught up
voting for an option above


and i think golden isn't godot

[Golden]

If I'm bad I'm damn well going to look like what people think of as town golden.

But you just said your play this game looks exactly like your civ game.

There's a gap between what my civ game actually is and what people perceive it to be. I know that when I'm bad I have to play to what people perceive to be my town game.

My town game actually covers a very broad spectrum, but my baddie game only covers the spectrum of where I feel people will safely perceive me as town.

[Golden]

lol, dom with the big no u.

I don't have to answer a question just because someone asks it. They didn't answer my questions either. As Jack said 'I'm a raptor testing the fence'.

[nutella]

If I'm bad I'm damn well going to look like what people think of as town golden.

But you just said your play this game looks exactly like your civ game.

There's a gap between what my civ game actually is and what people perceive it to be. I know that when I'm bad I have to play to what people perceive to be my town game.

My town game actually covers a very broad spectrum, but my baddie game only covers the spectrum of where I feel people will safely perceive me as town.

Fair enough.

[speedchuck]

How about a halfbow?

Good guys
People who are too quiet
Lorab
Golden
Nutella
Dom
DF
Boomerjack
Sprityo

LoRab, Golden, and Nutella all stood out to me in my read through. Two as civvies and one as a baddie.
So like... how?

No, his list is:
-Good guys: <hidden>
-People too quiet: <hidden>
THEN
-Lorab
-Golden
-Nutella
-Dom
-DF
-Boomerjack
-Sprityo

I think. Anyway, why do you read Nutella as town?

[Golden]

Because he's on her baddie team.

Screw it, night or not. 95% sure nutella is bad, enough that I intended to place my vote immediately upon day starting. About 80% that Dom is on a team with her.

Nutella's iso is noncommittal. People should have a look. I don't buy that she couldn't make up her mind on the vote and was too late... I think she has a vote manipulation role and didn't want to risk creating information through her vote in such a tight vote. She's tiptoeing around things, especially her read of me.

[Golden]

If I had to bet on their third man, it's Jack. He's reminded me of Mass Effect Jack all game long.

[Elohcin]

Classic WIFOM.

Town Golden will look like Town Golden. What we see is (apparently) not town Golden, therefore, it is mafia Golden. Mafia Golden would stand out less and would behave more like town Golden, therefore, it must be town Golden.

I think I'm seeing a town golden.

Hey, is there anyone here who can summarize Eloh's meta?

Yes.

Epignosis.

Possibly, but he said he's done doing that kind of stuff many many games ago because it's unfair.

Who was it that said, "please don't vote jack" out of nowhere yesterday at end of day 1? I wanted to inquire about that.

[Golden]

And I think Jack's trying to do a job on sprit, sprit's responses have felt genuine to me.

Other team? Less sure... I could see people like DF, neverwhere (yes, I know I said she was good yesterday, but I now see people's point about her Made vote...). LC still doesn't give me good feels Made voters generally should be looked upon with suspicion. But I haven't found a hook into seeing a second team as a whole yet. Jack doesn't have to be on the nutella team.

linki @ elo - good question, who was that?