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[Dom]

I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

[Golden]

Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.

Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?

No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.

That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?

This post does not make me feel great about Golden.

Why? I've been entirely open about the fact that I don't intend to engage with these massive cases on me and copious questioning. Why would it come as a surprise to you now that I'm open about it?

The most important question is, why does that make me bad? The only logical response I can see is 'because I don't like it'. You don't have to like it.

[timmer]

Hey all, I'm at work on a double shift, but the bosses have all gone home, so I'm going to sneak some reading in around my work

But bear with, I've got a lot of catching up to do.

[Dom]

Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.

Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?

No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.

That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?

This post does not make me feel great about Golden.

Why? I've been entirely open about the fact that I don't intend to engage with these massive cases on me and copious questioning. Why would it come as a surprise to you now that I'm open about it?

The most important question is, why does that make me bad? The only logical response I can see is 'because I don't like it'. You don't have to like it.

No.
It shows no regard for building trust so the civvies can win.

[Golden]

I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

And then lied about it.

And yes, gut is exactly what I said. I just provided you a little more explanation about the gut feeling. The fact you immediately used it against me is EXACTLY why I had no intent of meaningfully engaging with you. You only want to engage with me to use my next sentence against me. No thank you. Going back to not answering your questions now.

[sprityo]

Currently outside of the conversation, all i see is having to choose dom or golden. Rico is being, whatever, hex claiming. Perhaps if he provided an understandable reason to vote INH i would accept. and speedchuck voting LC is a gut thing. Golden also just said his was a gut thing, but he's also backing it up with his personal experiences with dom. and then there's jack voting golden, but i already noted how i find it fishy and it looks forced based on we havent heard from jack all day-

linki:

Hmm, i see jack browsing here. but he hasnt said a thing since last night. im inclined to believe he is being forced to vote, not sure if that's been mentioned but it's my first thing im noticing when reviewing who is voting for who

I considered a forced vote. Since he's silent (been silenced?), he can't really tell us. Can the mod force a player's vote in the polls?

He could have been silenced, have info about Golden from some sort of info power, and wanted to give the town some direction.

Those are the only two reasons I could think of.

that and if he is silenced, he cant technically vote in thread like everyone else, so the poll is his only option. (which i would assume the mods are going to count it if role shenanigans are involced)

Golden is the only one really pushing for a lynch today. does anyone else have a preference to counter act it? it has been clogging up the thread all day.

linki 2: the real situation is do you agree with golden to lynch dom, do you disagree with golden and think he's acting scummy and want to lynch golden, or is it just a misguided lynch. alternatively is it a bad lynch but if you throw shade on golden for mislynching dom, can you then lynch golden/give yourself an excuse to do so.

conclusion: this is a clusterfuck and i dont want to read the back and forth of dom and golden, so lets either figure it out or move away from it

[Golden]

Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.

Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?

No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.

That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?

This post does not make me feel great about Golden.

Why? I've been entirely open about the fact that I don't intend to engage with these massive cases on me and copious questioning. Why would it come as a surprise to you now that I'm open about it?

The most important question is, why does that make me bad? The only logical response I can see is 'because I don't like it'. You don't have to like it.

No.
It shows no regard for building trust so the civvies can win.

You're not a civvie so I don't care about building trust with you.

[Golden]

Sprit - actually is rather lynch lc. But Dom would be fine.

[Dom]

I don't want to play with Golden if he's gonna be a dick.

[Golden]

I don't want to play with Golden if he's gonna be a dick.

I'm not being a dick. it's nothing personal, I'm playing this game a particular way, you're not going to have fun if you try to change it because it isn't going to change. Just roll with it, I'm having fun.

[sprityo]

Sprit - actually is rather lynch lc. But Dom would be fine.

1. explain

2. then drop this whole post flooding nonsense with dom

[Golden]

I'm telling you though, if you're town, the only reason you think I'm bad is because of how I'm engaging with you, and you should really reevaluate that.

[Golden]

Sprit, just read the thread, it's all there.

[Dom]

lynch me
i don't want to play if this is how we play now.

watch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

[Elohcin]

Dom. I don't like this back and forth you're having with golden. I think golden is civ, and even though this may be civ on civ, I don't think it is. You seem to be tunneling. Yes, you recently started engaging with others, but I think it's only to try to save yourself/make yourself look better. The interactions don't seem very genuine. Golden, on the other hand, has not only been taking part in the back and forth with you, but has also been playing what looks like a genuine and meaningful game, engaging in other conversations. It seems as though you may feel stuck in hole and you're only focused on climbing out of that hole. I've been in that position before as a baddie and know what it's like. I just cannot decide if I ought to vote you or take a chance that Tony may be marcus. It would be great to get any baddie today, but awesome to get the +2 vote guy.

With that in mind... what's the general thoughts on tony being marcus? It was mentioned and talked about a little bit earlier today but I haven't heard a general consensus. I don't stay up late like many of you and I need to vote soon. I'd love some feedback on my thoughts.

[Dom]

just lynch me elo

[Golden]

I didn't say nothing Dom... I said nothing but no u. I'm all you've talked about.

[sprityo]

@eloh i dont think we have substantial evidence on it, to push for it is highly valuable for both mafia teams since either they kill marcus, or they lynch a townie

[Dom]

Golden, maybe you shouldn't just skim my posts for your name

[sprityo]

if you wanted to test it, you could either tie lynches or make on lynch with TSP on it one point below and see what happens

thats still a risky result that could end up making things worse

[Golden]

Golden, maybe you shouldn't just skim my posts for your name

Maybe you should take me less seriously. I'd rather lc die than you.

[Epignosis]

and just probed Eloh.

Now wait a damn minute.

[LoRab]

I don't actually think Dom is bad. I could be totally wrong in my read of him, but I'm not currently reading him as bad. Golden, I think you're tunneling on him, which is part of why I think you're not bad. You tunnel less when you're bad.

LC, on the other hand, I can definitely see as bad. I can get behind an LC vote.

Hmm, i see jack browsing here. but he hasnt said a thing since last night. im inclined to believe he is being forced to vote, not sure if that's been mentioned but it's my first thing im noticing when reviewing who is voting for who

More likely that he's silenced. And he voted early to say, "Hey! I'm silenced!!" Seems unlikely that he was targeted for a silence by one team and a forced vote by the other. More likely he was silenced, I think, because he hasn't posted.

[Dom]

Golden, maybe you shouldn't just skim my posts for your name

Maybe you should take me less seriously. I'd rather lc die than you.

well you suck at doing that.

[Dom]

(It's because that's bullshit. He knows I can get votes to die today and LC can't. LC is tomorrow's target)

[sprityo]

Here's why I think LC is bad.

Bad LC forgets to play the ball. He gets driven into arguments that look good in semantics, but actually betray a lack of full thought. In this case, the ball is 'golden is avoiding LD statements'.

What is the first thing a person might do if they genuinely thought another player was avoiding LD statements? I would iso that player to see if it's accurate. I'd actually go look at how many LD statements they've made. I invite anyone to do that now.

You will see that my post history is full of 100% ironclad LD statements. My guess is that most of them amount to someone saying 'golden is bad' and me replying by saying 'you're wrong'. Because anyone who says I am bad is wrong. But I'm sure I've also given any number of other things that amount to 'I am civilian' or 'I am not bad'.

Instead, LC decides to fixate on the one statement I made that I knew could have the same effect even if all of those other statements were not allowed. He ignores the fact that I said 'I've made plenty' before making that one. He doesn't check to see if that's correct. He just fixates on the new ones I'm trying to think of that might enable me to beat any particular rule that could be in place. He wants to hang me because 'I don't know what rule might be in place', but if I actually were bad, don't you think I'd have asked what rule was in place?

I give him one that ought to be tailored right to his wheelhouse. LC has seen me in action both as a teammate and host. He knows that I do not bail on taking part of a team for any phase unless I really have to. What's his comeback? He agrees that I wouldn't fail to take part if I could, but I might have been too busy. A person who has a real suspicion, and was playing the ball, would go and look to see if that made sense in context, not just throw it out as a hypothetical. In fact, looking at the thread, it is very clear that I was entirely here and could have taken part.

LC is playing me, the player, he isn't actually looking to see whether I'm making LD statements.

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Btw, I'd also like to point out, in terms of 'towniness meter', that while I've thrown out reads on nearly everyone in the game without problem (and been happy to adapt those reads), this has been generally criticised by the same people who see me as bad. In the mean time, I think a quick iso of Dom and LC would show you a distinct lack of reads. They are getting by, mostly focusing on me.

Dom and LC, want to prove you aren't bad? Start engaging with more than your cases on me.

At this point, if I had my vote back, I'd probably lean a vote on LC before Dom. Dom tunnels do happen from town Dom, and I can see how me voting him could get under his skin in a way. But LCs tunnels are usually well reasoned - even if the theories are out there, they fit with a thoughtful analysis of the facts. This is completely lacking here... he isn't taking a step back to consider what I'm saying, it's just discredit discredit discredit. This is my experience of bad LC. I remember another game... Bullets over Broadway maybe? Where the same thing happened.

is this the one i should read, golden?

[Golden]

(It's because that's bullshit. He knows I can get votes to die today and LC can't. LC is tomorrow's target)

I don't know any such thing and have no interest in trying to convince anyone to vote for you. The only person who sees both of you as potentially bad and engaged with me in the matter so far voted for lc.

[Golden]

is this the one i should read, golden?

Yes and the stuff around it.

[Golden]

Dom, I understand your frustration at me, but it's not about you. I stonewalled Wilgy first. I stonewalled nutella when she asked if I was supatown. I will stonewall the next person who wants me to engage in some massive case on me. So please don't take it personal like. I'm just playing a particular way this game, and it's not about being a dick. I understand why you feel this way given I'm also voting for you.

[Dom]

golden has no fucking interest in anything i say that doesn't pertain to him.

golden is the only one responding to what i'm even saying so there's a erason why

[sprityo]

Alright i think i see what youre getting at, Golden, and i can see why speedchuck would agree with you on voting LC, even though you already voted dom for, pressure was it? or it was just a gut read that you are okay with but still think LC is a better lynch?

linki:

golden has no fucking interest in anything i say that doesn't pertain to him.

golden is the only one responding to what i'm even saying so there's a erason why

well arent you just directing it all TOWARDS Golden?

[Golden]

I don't actually think Dom is bad. I could be totally wrong in my read of him, but I'm not currently reading him as bad. Golden, I think you're tunneling on him, which is part of why I think you're not bad. You tunnel less when you're bad.

Meh, I'm not particularly tunnelled on Dom. That's why I want LC to go, I feel far more convinced about him than Dom. Dom's recent exchanges have me feeling more town about him than I did before, and he is beginning to cast his net wider. Dom, Wilgy and Rico are all exceptionally tunnelled on me, none of them have ever exhibited a hint of doubt that I'm bad.

[Golden]

well arent you just directing it all TOWARDS Golden?

I mean, if dom let me not engage with him, dom/golden wouldn't be a thing.

Dom is the one who came out at the start of the day and declared it dom vs golden. It's not how I see it at all, but I can't seem to shake it.

[Dom]

Dom. I don't like this back and forth you're having with golden. I think golden is civ, and even though this may be civ on civ, I don't think it is. You seem to be tunneling. Yes, you recently started engaging with others, but I think it's only to try to save yourself/make yourself look better. The interactions don't seem very genuine. Golden, on the other hand, has not only been taking part in the back and forth with you, but has also been playing what looks like a genuine and meaningful game, engaging in other conversations. It seems as though you may feel stuck in hole and you're only focused on climbing out of that hole. I've been in that position before as a baddie and know what it's like. I just cannot decide if I ought to vote you or take a chance that Tony may be marcus. It would be great to get any baddie today, but awesome to get the +2 vote guy.

With that in mind... what's the general thoughts on tony being marcus? It was mentioned and talked about a little bit earlier today but I haven't heard a general consensus. I don't stay up late like many of you and I need to vote soon. I'd love some feedback on my thoughts.

(Golden stonewalled me in his own words, so nice try)
Elo hasn't really given a reason to suspect me other than "You're wrong about Golden".
That's pretty dumb.

tony might be marcus. Tony also asked me who was bad, but not golden's teammate as if i should have any concept of who can be whose teammate.

[Epignosis]

I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

This I don't buy.

I have hosted so many games and been bad many times, and lately, BTSC is quiet. People go for days without talking.

I find it hard to believe that you would ask your teammates when the phase ended rather than take two seconds to scroll upward and look at the poll deadline.

[Elohcin]

lynch me
i don't want to play if this is how we play now.

watch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

WTF Dom, give a lady time to respond. I may be in the kitchen vacuuming up pepper that my 5 year old spilt all over the floor when reaching for a banana. Seriously. It just happened.

Thank you sprit for your response. I've made up my mind.

dom

[sprityo]

Having watched LC as mafia from Phenon, i can apply what golden said about: "But LCs tunnels are usually well reasoned - even if the theories are out there, they fit with a thoughtful analysis of the facts. This is completely lacking here... " and can agree with it.

also @TSP are you planning on voting for LC or not? i saw you expressed agreement with it earlier

[Golden]

Alright i think i see what youre getting at, Golden, and i can see why speedchuck would agree with you on voting LC, even though you already voted dom for, pressure was it? or it was just a gut read that you are okay with but still think LC is a better lynch?

Yeah, it was still my gut read, and I just felt like voting at that time.

[Dom]

Alright i think i see what youre getting at, Golden, and i can see why speedchuck would agree with you on voting LC, even though you already voted dom for, pressure was it? or it was just a gut read that you are okay with but still think LC is a better lynch?

linki:

golden has no fucking interest in anything i say that doesn't pertain to him.

golden is the only one responding to what i'm even saying so there's a erason why

well arent you just directing it all TOWARDS Golden?

I have, you know, asked other people questions AND made statements about other players too.
But fun for you to ignore them!

[Dom]

I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

This I don't buy.

I have hosted so many games and been bad many times, and lately, BTSC is quiet. People go for days without talking.

I find it hard to believe that you would ask your teammates when the phase ended rather than take two seconds to scroll upward and look at the poll deadline.

I've made it clear that our hostess should speak up on this.
It was Friday earlier.
But me taking suspicion for her mistake is okay, I guess.

[sprityo]

I want to give dom a chance to restart during the night phase, so im inclined to Vote LC

linki: @Dom, youre not helping yourself by getting defensive and flustered. Continuing to act that way will get people to vote you, like Eloh just did

[Dom]

I should say I have made it clear to our hostess.

[timmer]

Well, page one was... something.

[Golden]

I don't actually think TSP should follow through on his plan to prove he's not Marcus. It's too easily manipulated by the baddies, whether he is one or not.

[Dom]

I want to give dom a chance to restart during the night phase, so im inclined to Vote LC

linki: @Dom, youre not helping yourself by getting defensive and flustered. Continuing to act that way will get people to vote you, like Eloh just did

maybe I want to be out.
Maybe I don't like how apparently we can be a dick to each other and that's called "playing the game"

[Golden]

watch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

I love this post by the way. It's the point at which my mind on Dom began to turn.

[Dom]

lynch me
i don't want to play if this is how we play now.

watch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

WTF Dom, give a lady time to respond. I may be in the kitchen vacuuming up pepper that my 5 year old spilt all over the floor when reaching for a banana. Seriously. It just happened.

Thank you sprit for your response. I've made up my mind.

dom

I said nothing about you taking too long to respond.
It's entirely about how you have pretended that I have no reasons for suspecting golden even though I put it in list form.

[Dom]

watch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

I love this post by the way. It's the point at which my mind on Dom began to turn.

Yet, you're the reason why I'm gonna die.
Funny how that works.

[Golden]

I want to give dom a chance to restart during the night phase, so im inclined to Vote LC

linki: @Dom, youre not helping yourself by getting defensive and flustered. Continuing to act that way will get people to vote you, like Eloh just did

maybe I want to be out.
Maybe I don't like how apparently we can be a dick to each other and that's called "playing the game"

Well, I don't particularly like how people think they can have expectations of me about how I have to play that they'd never expect from more enigmatic players. I bet you wouldn't expect Wilgy or Marmot to engage on your case of them the way you expect me to...

But I'm not being a dick. Like I said, try just rolling with it.

[sprityo]

I don't actually think TSP should follow through on his plan to prove he's not Marcus. It's too easily manipulated by the baddies, whether he is one or not.

agreed

maybe I want to be out.
Maybe I don't like how apparently we can be a dick to each other and that's called "playing the game"

maybe just take a break for tonight, sometimes over saturation can lead to sensory overload and you make rash statements