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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Still on conference call. I swear I'm not ignoring this game.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:14 am
speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:04 pm
colonialbob wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:54 pm Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?
That's how it works, yeah. Welcome to game!

Looks like we're in column C roles. We got a watcher and doctor folks. That makes D1 make sense. And it means we still have an edge.

RIP Dunya
It could also be line 3. With the jailkeeper.
I'm not super familiar with the jailkeeper, but I was thinking it was a doctor thanks to the no-death on N1? Could jailkeeper do that?
Jailkeeper is a doctor who also roleblocks the person they are protecting.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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DDL, can I get your current reads on speedchuck and Sig?

Sig can I get your current reads on speedchuck and DDL?

Speedchuck can I get your current reads on DDL and Sig?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:03 pm Speedchuck can I get your current reads on DDL and Sig?
Town, and eh.

I provided a rainbow like a page ago.

I thought jailkeeper was something completely different. Some role that makes people vanish for a day. :shrug2:
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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speedchuck wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:05 pm
Kylemii wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:03 pm Speedchuck can I get your current reads on DDL and Sig?
Town, and eh.

I provided a rainbow like a page ago.

I thought jailkeeper was something completely different. Some role that makes people vanish for a day. :shrug2:
You said you had good vibes about DDL but also that he was probably a remaining mafia
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Re: Pirate Mafia [NIGHT 3]

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speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:58 pm Dragon D. Luffy
Still feel really good about DDL, tinfoil vote shenannigans aside.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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that's not even what I asked
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:31 pm that's not even what I asked
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I mean to ask if you meant to say that DDL is one of your suspects but also that you think he's probably good?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:33 pm I mean to ask if you meant to say that DDL is one of your suspects but also that you think he's probably good?
No.

DDL is one of my townreads. I read him town. There is some discriminating evidence that points to him being scum, but my townread on him is moderately strong.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Which evidence?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:48 pm Which evidence?
His vote placement/MP's vote placement looks bad.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I have not been giving this game enough attention and for that I apologize, having said that I'll be doing Army junk from 6am to midnight tomorrow so I won't be posting at all. However, starting Saturday evening when I'm done with army I'll get back up with my activity. I'm going to read over thing very quickly and place a vote now.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Okay so either Me, DDL, or Kyle is bad in my opinion.

I know I'm not bad so that leaves DDL or Kyle.

In theory Dunya could've watched whoever killed LC, which could explain why she believes Kyle is bad, I'm tempted to vote there also I find it slightly comforting how she backed off of DDL. This would mean she either didn't watch him and wanted to make it clear if she died or that she did and he didn't do anything. This doesn't really change my mind on DDL, but it gives an important nugget of information.

Could Newtraditionalist have been mafia and one of the players voted to save him? I think this is a maybe, but unless we lynch and flip bad on one of us there isn't much evidence to back this claim up.

I still think Daisy is a civ, speed is a light civ read, and I've got no real read on either Jack or Bob. However, I find it odd Jack voted for himself seeing how close the vote was and how active he was.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I'm going to go for Kyle right now, I think Dunya's post about him, seeing how she was the watcher holds some weight. However I'll try to pop in during the day tomorrow and check in.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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sig wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:05 am I'm going to go for Kyle right now, I think Dunya's post about him, seeing how she was the watcher holds some weight. However I'll try to pop in during the day tomorrow and check in.
i knew someone would say something like this

dunya changed her mind about me midgame, which, if the situation were that which i were a baddie and she'd targeted me with watching then she wouldn't have changed her mind at all.

she began suspecting me again after the quin lynch and brought it up during that night, before the dawn of the next day.

in short there's no way dunya's suspecting me was a result of her watcher abilities
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:44 am
sig wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:05 am I'm going to go for Kyle right now, I think Dunya's post about him, seeing how she was the watcher holds some weight. However I'll try to pop in during the day tomorrow and check in.
i knew someone would say something like this

dunya changed her mind about me midgame, which, if the situation were that which i were a baddie and she'd targeted me with watching then she wouldn't have changed her mind at all.

she began suspecting me again after the quin lynch and brought it up during that night, before the dawn of the next day.

in short there's no way dunya's suspecting me was a result of her watcher abilities
Okay actually turns out i was thinking of Quin. dunya has suspected me from the start, but i have to think that if she thought she had information on me she would have at least pushed for my lynch a lot harder than she did. that's not the situation we have before us. dunya's suspicion of me was purely based on in thread feelings and pings which she was wrong about.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Hey quick question is anyone still playing this game?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:21 pm Hey quick question is anyone still playing this game?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:03 pm DDL, can I get your current reads on speedchuck and Sig?

Sig can I get your current reads on speedchuck and DDL?

Speedchuck can I get your current reads on DDL and Sig?
Speed looks town to be for reasons said before. Though I didn't like his d1 vote very much. But his d2 vote is nice.

I don't have a big read on Sig. I was suspecting him for the cop thing early, then backpaddaled as I decided it fit his meta, and now I kind of forgot what i'm thinking of him (this applies to most players tbh). His vote tracking looks kind of bad tho so I could vote for him.

Right now I think I'll vote for you. I like dunya's points about you.

I'm sorry guys my activity in this game has been horrible but that's what I get for wanting to be active in two sites at once. I need to go back to my old alternating style.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Honestly considering I'm reading everyone more or less civ I bet at least one of the replacements is a baddie.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Dunyas points about me have already been addressed....


Hey look, guys? Seriously, if you're going to vote for me saying "I liked Dunyas points" it's important to me that you actually explain the points. Like do some reading or whatever. If I have to die I want it to at least make it easier for the rest of the
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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for the rest of game to move forwardly in a positive manner. Like I'm cool with dying. With the current thread atmosphere and after dunya got killed it was pretty much gauranteed result. I get that I haven't played the best and like... to be frank, circumstantial evidence doesn't look the best right now for me. If I weren't me I'd probably vote for me too.

Most of the top posters, movers and shakers are already dead, the ones that are still alive are preoccupied with life stuff, and that's what worries me.

A mafia endgame with low-radar flying baddies and absent/complacent civvies isn't a game where the good guys win.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I will be much more free once the week is over, but that's not really an excuse. My caasin's been visiting all week.

Really want to give the inactives a chance to prove themselves. Not looking there for a lynch today.
I have too stronk a townread on DDL to lynch him. Leaves Spacedaisy and Sig in the dead zone (of the two, I feel better about Sig, but only slightly).

What do you think of the two of them, Kylemii? Who would you push your lynch to between the two?

BTW, if Kylemii is scum, Spacedaisy is probably the third. Kyle threw out a "spacedaisy wouldn't bus" at the start of the day, and has ignored her ever since.
Feel like spacedaisy could totes bus.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Read through her posts from the start and tell me that she would throw her own husband under the bus like that? I mean... I guess it's possible. But why would it be advantageous? What's the gain from that?

If it we're between Sig and SD I guess I'd say Sig but I also don't really like that you're the one presenting this choice to me because I don't have any reason to believe that you're not a mutineer.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Look, I've been in situations like this before, speedchuck. There's enough circumstantial evidence against me enough cloudiness in the water otherwise that if I don't get lynched now then we're likely to lynch a good pirate and that leads to the whole "day 5 guess we we're wrong, let's try lynching Kyle again" thing, and by that point the game is already lost.

The player I feel the most inclined to lynch right now is DDL, I think the evidence against him is significant and I know he had to go camping or something like that but I don't like that he hasn't posted more since MP's death.

Otherwise I think we have a 50-50 shot with the replacements, at least probably
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I don't want to die, but I'd rather get lynched than be used as a distraction tool for the mafia.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:29 pm If it we're between Sig and SD I guess I'd say Sig but I also don't really like that you're the one presenting this choice to me because I don't have any reason to believe that you're not a mutineer.

Look, I've been in situations like this before, speedchuck. There's enough circumstantial evidence against me enough cloudiness in the water otherwise that if I don't get lynched now then we're likely to lynch a good pirate and that leads to the whole "day 5 guess we we're wrong, let's try lynching Kyle again" thing, and by that point the game is already lost.
You have a very different town philosophy than I do. Or something.

For some reason, townies are expected not to worry about getting lynched as much, and not to fight it too hard. After all, a townie getting lynched isn't as detrimental to town as a scummie getting lynched is to scum. So it's town behavior to work for the greater good and try your best to set things up for after your death.

That's f***ing stupid.

If you're town, you KNOW that you're town. You KNOW that any other lynch (from your perspective) is more likely to hit scum than where it currently rests. Were I in your position, I'd be fighting to survive not just one more day, but long enough to ram a win home.

But that's just a rant of mine. It's a philosophy, and not indicative of scum or town.

So I'm trying to give you an opportunity to do that, to make a difference today. But hey, if you want to lay down and die, whether out of a misplaced sense of duty or as a way to seem towny, make us feel guilty, and not give away your teammates then ok. Your choice.

Still feel like if you're scum then SD is 3rd. I expect busses even more from people that know each other. Maybe I'm weird like that.
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I think that's a naive viewpoint. I'm looking at the big picture.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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No offense.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I regard your viewpoint the same way, so ditto and ditto.
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Like that was a really great 2 page essay but think about the ways this can go. Think about the fact that I am the only person trying to prove my innocence right now.

1. I successfully keep myself from getting lynched but another civvie dies. Result, I probably get lynched the next day anyways, right? That's two lynches wasted. This only benefits baddies.

2. I somehow singlehandedly figure out which one of you is a baddie and get you lynched, on my own because everyone else is either decided or gone. This is less likely than number 1. Definitely the ideal scenario but like... Seriously? Unlikely.

3. The third and most likely option is that I get lynched and die and day 5's day period gets taken seriously but even if it doesn't, that's still two more chances to kill a baddie than you would have had otherwise.
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Or I guess there's the 4th option where we use the no lynch option
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I'm on Kyle, until someone comes along with a better alt option than DDL.

linki: No lynch would give us an extra day, but we have a doc/jailkeeper around, so I'd rather not waste the chance to maybe get an extra day off of them instead.

I won't argue the point anymore, but I'd disagree that number 1 must result in your death tomorrow. Vote analysis isn't everything, thus my abstinence from a DDL wagon. I judge people on reads, action, and gut as well.
I guess I understand your POV though.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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BTW, if you/someone are doctor/jailkeeper, I think you should claim if about to be lynched. Hear me out.

DJ doesn't claim: DJ gets lynched, mafia kills someone they want dead.
DJ does claim: Town chooses a second option for lynch, mafia kills DJ.

Both result in DJ dead, but one also results in a town controlled lynch instead of mafia kill.

I don't think you're the doc/jailer considering how little you're trying to live, but I wanted to put this out there. Thoughts?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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The jailer will have just as much time to do their job regardless of whether or not a lynch happens

you have such an overly exaggerated civvie patriotism about you speedchuck, it's weird.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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You're framing it as if I'm *trying* to die. I'm just accepting that it's happening and putting faith in the other civvies that they'll figure things out.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I've got an hour, so I'd like to do what I can to help the cause until then.

I don't have a positive read on Sig but he's been flying under the radar and he needs to be taken seriously.

I think the fact that Dunya was murdered is telling, I think whoever chose to kill her was probably online during the timeframe that we we're having the conversation during the night phase a couple hours before the night post came up, it must have been done because of that, it's too much of a coincidence otherwise.

It's strange that LC was killed but not SD since they were equally responsible for MP's lynch. Of course maybe the mafia doesn't see SD as a threat?

In general I just don't trust speedchuck in this game. I think he uses manipulative wording to make himself seem civvie. There's a lot of posturing and I don't trust it.

Um... What else....
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Voting for DDL, my only hope for survival is Spacedaisy or Jack
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I'm not really sure I understand the new meta where people ignore evidence in favor of solely focusing on vibes but I still think DDL deserves a thorough looking at.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Also to reiterate, I don't want to die. If anyone is down for a no lynch then I am too.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:26 pm I'm not really sure I understand the new meta where people ignore evidence in favor of solely focusing on vibes but I still think DDL deserves a thorough looking at.
It's not a meta, it's just me. :p
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:09 pm The jailer will have just as much time to do their job regardless of whether or not a lynch happens
Don't make me bring out num-

huh, you're right. I could go no-lynch.

Keep in mind that NT's vote doesn't count.
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I'm an idiot who cannot follow my own math.

No lynch is fine today.
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speedchuck wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:09 pm The jailer will have just as much time to do their job regardless of whether or not a lynch happens
Don't make me bring out num-

huh, you're right. I could go no-lynch.

Keep in mind that NT's vote doesn't count.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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But it's worth a try I guess no lynch
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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I'm on no-lynch.

Discussion is crap, protection role is alive, current numbers say we'll gain an extra day (one less number will put us at Lylo rather than Mylo if we no lynch and continue as normal). Math checks out. Logic checks out. Kylemii is giving me good feels.

Anybody around and up for it?
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Sorry, forgot it doesn't auto-subscribe when you post. Anyway, I like DDL as mafia. Give me a sec and I'll show some of why.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [Day 4]

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Hey colonialbob I love you, and I probably agree with you about DDL but there is 0% chance of DDL getting lynched today so could you maybe consider voting for the no lynch option
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