Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Marmot]

Epignosis is the devil. He has a fiddle of gold. He will steal your soul if you're not wary. Fire flies from his fingertips as he sits on the roof and shreds that fiddle.

Epignosis does not care about the roof.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis is the devil. He has a fiddle of gold. He will steal your soul if you're not wary. Fire flies from his fingertips as he sits on the roof and shreds that fiddle.

Epignosis does not care about the roof.

That's stupid.

A gold fiddle wouldn't even sound good.

[Marmot]

Epignosis doesn't care about sound either.

[nutella]

What's the point of caring about the roof if you don't care about the fiddle?

What else is a roof even for, if not some decent fiddlin'?

[Marmot]

Solar panels.

[speedchuck]

Let's hurry up and figure out who we're lynching tomorrow. We won't be able to hunt after sunset tonight.

[nutella]

Let's hurry up and figure out who we're lynching tomorrow. We won't be able to hunt after sunset tonight.

Huh?

[nutella]

Anyway, we're lynching Epi tomorrow. I thought we'd already decided that.

[speedchuck]

Let's hurry up and figure out who we're lynching tomorrow. We won't be able to hunt after sunset tonight.

Huh?

It's the Sabbath, Nutella. I hope you've finished up your work for the day.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bleh. I think Epignosis looks awful and I want him hanged. I allowed myself out of the tunnel and ended up taking part in a lame Daisy lynch as a result, and in the immediate aftermath Epignosis continued posting garbage.

I don't care if it looks like I'm setting up a lynch. Epignosis doesn't get lynched when people weenie around it. I'm done with that shit. Fucking kill him.

You sound more like you'd be more satisfied lynching me than you would seeing the civilians win.

The former is a prerequisite to the latter. One step at a time.

[DrWilgy]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] And [mention]Sloonei[/mention], I'm not to sure that's an easy thing to explain. Kinda because it's a combination of things. Your not on the same team, your vote wagons show the thoughts of two different agendas, the general discussion between Sloonbread or Kyle is so pivotal and black and white, I don't see a situation where it's possible that your on the same team.

And it's not like it's something I can directly quote either as it involves all the other players and their opinions too. Its like Moses split the water and Kyle and Sloonei were on each side of the ravine.

[Epignosis]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

[nutella]

Let's hurry up and figure out who we're lynching tomorrow. We won't be able to hunt after sunset tonight.

Huh?

It's the Sabbath, Nutella. I hope you've finished up your work for the day.

Of course.

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii And @Sloonei, I'm not to sure that's an easy thing to explain. Kinda because it's a combination of things. Your not on the same team, your vote wagons show the thoughts of two different agendas, the general discussion between Sloonbread or Kyle is so pivotal and black and white, I don't see a situation where it's possible that your on the same team.

And it's not like it's something I can directly quote either as it involves all the other players and their opinions too. Its like Moses split the water and Kyle and Sloonei were on each side of the ravine.

I mean that's understandable but it leaves out the possibility that Sloonei and I are both civilians and also loud stubborn idiots.

[DrWilgy]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

Who's my other teammate?

[nutella]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

1. I wouldn't speak to you any more than necessary for gameplay.
2. I'd figure you were acting brazen for the wifom, and you got caught, and you're posting this "exercise" in a last-ditch attempt to mitigate the damage.
3. Yes. I'm not here to babysit your ego.

[DrWilgy]

I mean that's understandable but it leaves out the possibility that Sloonei and I are both civilians and also loud stubborn idiots.

Loud stubborn idiot civs don't great such mindset gaps normally.

[Epignosis]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

1. I wouldn't speak to you any more than necessary for gameplay.
2. I'd figure you were acting brazen for the wifom, and you got caught, and you're posting this "exercise" in a last-ditch attempt to mitigate the damage.
3. Yes. I'm not here to babysit your ego.

You're not here to win as a civilian either.

[nutella]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

1. I wouldn't speak to you any more than necessary for gameplay.
2. I'd figure you were acting brazen for the wifom, and you got caught, and you're posting this "exercise" in a last-ditch attempt to mitigate the damage.
3. Yes. I'm not here to babysit your ego.

You're not here to win as a civilian either.

I'd say nutella cares about the roof.

[Long Con]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.

[speedchuck]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I would be saying nothing. I can't access chatzy at work. But if I were in chat, it's not like I'd be coaching you. I'm not that arrogant.

Apparently not great. Performance is about results, and half the game wishes they lynched you yesterday.

I mean, sure. All I expect my teammates to do is not implicate me if they self-destruct. If they all go out in a blaze of glory, I'd be fine with playing LMS.

[Epignosis]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.

We won't believe that for a second.

[Long Con]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.

We won't believe that for a second.

Despite boatloads of evidence to the contrary. I know.

[Kylemii]

I mean that's understandable but it leaves out the possibility that Sloonei and I are both civilians and also loud stubborn idiots.

Loud stubborn idiot civs don't great such mindset gaps normally.

I seem to. I had a 2 page long debate about some philosophical semantic garbage in mountain mafia with epignosis, and later with Jack in the same game. I'm pretty sure it's happened other times too. Neither of those circumstances resulted in either person almost dying but like.... I'm still pretty sure this is something I should work on lol.

[Long Con]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.

We won't believe that for a second.

Did you see Phenon Origins?

[speedchuck]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I wouldn't be telling you what to do, because no one tells Epi what to do. I have no expectations to meet as a baddie teammate, because I'm the bottom-of-the-barrel most awful baddie there is most of the time, so I have no right to disdain the play of others in that way.

We won't believe that for a second.

Did you see Phenon Origins?

That was all me, sir.

[Epignosis]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I would be saying nothing. I can't access chatzy at work. But if I were in chat, it's not like I'd be coaching you. I'm not that arrogant.

Apparently not great. Performance is about results, and half the game wishes they lynched you yesterday.

I mean, sure. All I expect my teammates to do is not implicate me if they self-destruct. If they all go out in a blaze of glory, I'd be fine with playing LMS.

That's buyer's remorse. If Spacedaisy had been bad, that wish would not exist so strongly.

[nutella]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I would be saying nothing. I can't access chatzy at work. But if I were in chat, it's not like I'd be coaching you. I'm not that arrogant.

Apparently not great. Performance is about results, and half the game wishes they lynched you yesterday.

I mean, sure. All I expect my teammates to do is not implicate me if they self-destruct. If they all go out in a blaze of glory, I'd be fine with playing LMS.

That's buyer's remorse. If Spacedaisy had been bad, that wish would not exist so strongly.

Well I didn't buy Spacedaisy. I wanted either Sloonei or you to be lynched yesterday and it's not my fault everyone else screwed up.

[Epignosis]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

I would be saying nothing. I can't access chatzy at work. But if I were in chat, it's not like I'd be coaching you. I'm not that arrogant.

Apparently not great. Performance is about results, and half the game wishes they lynched you yesterday.

I mean, sure. All I expect my teammates to do is not implicate me if they self-destruct. If they all go out in a blaze of glory, I'd be fine with playing LMS.

That's buyer's remorse. If Spacedaisy had been bad, that wish would not exist so strongly.

Well I didn't buy Spacedaisy. I wanted either Sloonei or you to be lynched yesterday and it's not my fault everyone else screwed up.

It's going to be your fault Day 2.

[Marmot]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

How is this exercise productive?

[Epignosis]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

How is this exercise productive?

How are you productive?

[Marmot]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

How is this exercise productive?

How are you productive?

Good point.

Shutting up now.

[Marmot]

But I still want to know what the purpose of asking that question is because talking about what could be said in BTSC doesn't sound like a useful scum-hunting strategy.

[Epignosis]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

How is this exercise productive?

How are you productive?

Good point.

Shutting up now.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to be rude to you. That was callous; I interpreted your question as callous, and if I had applied the same "I know Kylemii's voice" to your posts (substituting your voice for Kyle's, of course), I would not have read it that way.

[Marmot]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

How is this exercise productive?

How are you productive?

Good point.

Shutting up now.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to be rude to you. That was callous; I interpreted your question as callous, and if I had applied the same "I know Kylemii's voice" to your posts (substituting your voice for Kyle's, of course), I would not have read it that way.

No worries.

I've been a little rude to you today already. I felt I deserved it.

[Epignosis]

But I still want to know what the purpose of asking that question is because talking about what could be said in BTSC doesn't sound like a useful scum-hunting strategy.

If people are going to accuse me of being bad, then I want them to tell me what my purpose was. Where was I going with it? What was my endgame strategy? The lynch mob has already decided to end me Day 2. nutella alluded to this being about my ego. It isn't. I am one of the humblest people you'll ever meet in real life ( How's that for irony? ). This is about making people think about what is going on in the mafia chat room.

When I am a civilian, I do not know who the mafia are. However, I can make predictions on what they will do given what is in the thread. This has served me well, and I think other civilians should at least consider that.

I am dismayed at people deciding I am the automatic lynch for Day 2. If that is the case, then they at least owe it to me to answer the questions I raised first.

If "Get rid of Epi" is all they want, fine.

If finding mafia is what they want, they need to do better.

[speedchuck]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

How is this exercise productive?

I was actually talking to my wife about my response to this question and I realized that I have no idea why it was asked. So consider this a 'this' for Marmot's question.

linki: I have something to say about that, but it's unrelated so I'll make a new post

[Kylemii]

if I had applied the same "I know Kylemii's voice" to your posts (substituting your voice for Kyle's, of course)

I would be okay with it if you substituted my voice for everyone else's.

[speedchuck]

Long ago, in Night Vale Mafia, the two scum teams lived together in harmony
Then everything changed when the Man in the Tan Jacket attacked
Only Epignosis, one of the most outspoken players in the game, remained of his team
But when the game suspected him most, he vanished (and was lynched)

Months later, I suspected a new Epignosis, in a game that was rather Jewish
He may look pretty scummy
But I believe this new Epi cares about the roof

[speedchuck]

(Basically I remember Epi vanishing when he had lost hope in that game and Epi here still seems to think he can turn some positive scumhunting out of this situation. He could still be evil, not disputing that, but I'm willing to look around as well.
Hopefully I'm remembering Night Vale correctly. Epi was bad, when people suspected him and said his goose was cooked, he just left. Because at that point, the aggro of the town wasn't worth making posts that weren't going to do him any good.
Granted, he has other teammates to help in this game, but him talking is just going to create WIFOMy links to other players.)

Why is Epi still here, still trying, when nobody wants to defend him?

[Epignosis]

(Basically I remember Epi vanishing when he had lost hope in that game and Epi here still seems to think he can turn some positive scumhunting out of this situation. He could still be evil, not disputing that, but I'm willing to look around as well.
Hopefully I'm remembering Night Vale correctly. Epi was bad, when people suspected him and said his goose was cooked, he just left. Because at that point, the aggro of the town wasn't worth making posts that weren't going to do him any good.
Granted, he has other teammates to help in this game, but him talking is just going to create WIFOMy links to other players.)

Why is Epi still here, still trying, when nobody wants to defend him?

But speedchuck

Spoiler: show

You're defending me.

[nutella]

(Basically I remember Epi vanishing when he had lost hope in that game and Epi here still seems to think he can turn some positive scumhunting out of this situation. He could still be evil, not disputing that, but I'm willing to look around as well.
Hopefully I'm remembering Night Vale correctly. Epi was bad, when people suspected him and said his goose was cooked, he just left. Because at that point, the aggro of the town wasn't worth making posts that weren't going to do him any good.
Granted, he has other teammates to help in this game, but him talking is just going to create WIFOMy links to other players.)

Why is Epi still here, still trying, when nobody wants to defend him?

k vizzini

[nutella]

(nice atla reference though)

[speedchuck]

(Basically I remember Epi vanishing when he had lost hope in that game and Epi here still seems to think he can turn some positive scumhunting out of this situation. He could still be evil, not disputing that, but I'm willing to look around as well.
Hopefully I'm remembering Night Vale correctly. Epi was bad, when people suspected him and said his goose was cooked, he just left. Because at that point, the aggro of the town wasn't worth making posts that weren't going to do him any good.
Granted, he has other teammates to help in this game, but him talking is just going to create WIFOMy links to other players.)

Why is Epi still here, still trying, when nobody wants to defend him?

k vizzini

This is a meta read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let me offer an exercise for you stiff-necked people (that's from the Torah, by the way):

You are my mafia teammate. You are witnessing the things I am saying in the thread.

What would you be saying to me in BTSC? How would you evaluate my performance so far? Would I have met your expectations as a teammate?

For this to make sense I will have to assume that some civilian takes my place in thirsting for your blood. If so:

1. I’d be assessing the scenario in real time and looking for ways to generate a counterwagon sizeable enough to give you a chance. And in BTSC I’d be describing that objective. I might advise you on handling the negative environment, but I’d trust that you can handle your own business.

2. In most games it’d probably work better than “lynched Day 2” and I’d attribute the circumstances to bad luck.

3. Sure. I don’t have “expectations”, that’s too arrogant even for me. You’d have played your way and encountered unseen difficulties (namely the ire of the people you didn’t directly pursue such as but not limited to LoRab and Marmot). Shit happens. I’d be considerably more disappointed by a civilian reveal in the real world than I would be by your mafia performance in that world.

Do you suggest that your play in this thread is incompatible with a mafia Epignosis?

[Epignosis]

Do you suggest that your play in this thread is incompatible with a mafia Epignosis?

That more or less was the point of the exercise.

[Epignosis]

Which must guide you to a more important question, but I'm going to let people ask that one themselves.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do you suggest that your play in this thread is incompatible with a mafia Epignosis?

That more or less was the point of the exercise.

You often claim to be a player without "meta", one whose civilian and mafia games look the same. What is it about your play in this game that you don't believe would exist in a mafia version of your play?

[Epignosis]

Do you suggest that your play in this thread is incompatible with a mafia Epignosis?

That more or less was the point of the exercise.

You often claim to be a player without "meta", one whose civilian and mafia games look the same. What is it about your play in this game that you don't believe would exist in a mafia version of your play?

If my civilian and mafia games look the same, why do you want to lynch me? What makes this different?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do you suggest that your play in this thread is incompatible with a mafia Epignosis?

That more or less was the point of the exercise.

You often claim to be a player without "meta", one whose civilian and mafia games look the same. What is it about your play in this game that you don't believe would exist in a mafia version of your play?

If my civilian and mafia games look the same, why do you want to lynch me? What makes this different?

It's your claim, not mine. I don't think they look the same.