speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:43 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:53 pm
I'm not a civilian.
I'm not mafia either.
I'm here to counterclaim this shit.
Overdeep analysis of this:
Jay claiming 3rd party, at first glance, seems to be geared toward not getting nightkilled. Marmot's claim then, true or false, is geared toward doubt of that claim. First we'll talk about one's motives, then the other.
If Jay is town, this is an interesting 3P-hunting technique as well as a smokescreen so that he doesn't get lynched before he can figure out the scumteam.
If Jay is mafia, this is a huge WIFOM gambit to throw everyone for a loop. Not sure how this fits with being taken off of the poll, but hidden abilities abound.
If Jay is 3P, obviously he wants to up his chances of survival. Can't win if dead.
I don't buy that Jay is town after this. He's not treating the role that way.
Marmot, on the other hand, is throwing doubt on that claim.
If Marmot is town, he's trying to make sure that Jay's claim does him all harm and no good whatsoever. He's also being marmot.
If Marmot is scum, he's... uh. Doing the same thing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this makes a little less sense than the town!marmot motive.
If Marmot is 3P, he's infuriated that JJJ found a way to squeeze past the rules and claim his role, when Marmot would have been the first to do that if he'd known. Legit counterclaim.
Now let's talk about presentation and wording.
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:53 pm
I'm not a civilian.
I'm not mafia either.
I'm here to counterclaim this shit.
We have a lie detector, probably still living. That lie detector can't do much to warn us of things. But if either of these people were paying attention to the lie detector, or wanted their statements to be technically true, then JJJ would be the 3rd party and Marmot would be the liar.
Don't know how much people care about that. Lie detectors in game with claiming, like I'm used to, are scary as hell.
Something to think about.
I don't think Jay is town. Whether he's mafia or 3P depends on how much WIFOM he's prone to as mafia. And, y'know, his role card.
I don't see a good scum motive for marmot, but it's marmot. He could be anything and still do this.
Most likely to least likely pairings of Jay/Marmot, off the top of my head:
3P/Town
Mafia/3P
Mafia/Town
3P/Other 3P?
3P/Mafia
Town/3P
Town/Mafia
Town/Town
linki:
Please visit a doctor, Eloh. This can't be normal. I'll be praying for you.