Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Kylemii]

I'm the troubadour. Am I magical?

yeah dude you're magical as fuck

And does that mean I get some say over whether sig can act?

apparently not, though once you promote to mage knight or valkyrie you will. unless it's based on the other list.

[sig]

Anyone wanna discuss why rabbit8?

To kill a low poster, because scum isn't being strategic with kills, to eliminate the triangle attack mechanic. I'm a fan of the latter. It's the easiest night kill to remove from the pool.

Why not kill Long Con?

Why kill Long Con?

Rabbit was a civilian. He didn't post. No one was gonna protect his ass.

SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMSLIP?????

How do you know LC isn't also a civ?

I didn't say to kill Long Con silly.

of course not?

You said

"Why kill Long Con"

followed by

"Rabbit was a civilian. He didn't post. No one was gonna protect his ass."

I find it odd you said why kill LC followed by Rabbit was a civ. Are you implying LC also isn't a civ?

And while he didn't appear on many lists LC is a very good mafia member even if he is an old timer who can't keep up with the young-ins.

linki: Nobody can tell Sig what to do Sig is his own man and Sig listens to no man, but Sig. Unless you're suuuuuuuuuper rich then I'll do whatever you want.

[sig]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

[MacDougall]

sig. Look at Kyle. He loves you.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

@MacDougall

Yeah but doesn't count

[sig]

Why? Also I'm not comfortable with that vote stop voteshaming me.

[sig]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] hey babe, why'd you make Mac vote for me?

[MacDougall]

Doesn't count because I can't vote for people first. I also believe I can just fake vote with impunity.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Kylemii]

Kylemii hey babe, why'd you make Mac vote for me?

i can't control mac he's too much of a free spirit. i would never dream of caging that bird.

[MacDougall]

You see, I'm just MacDougall (Just MacDougall)
I'm just a regular guy
I don't know why all the fuss about me (Fuss about me)
Nobody ever gave a fuck before
All they did was doubt me (Did was doubt me)
Now everybody wanna run their mouth
And try to take shots at me (Take shots at me)

[Epignosis]

Quin has taken a lot of flak in this game for being fluffy. I have given Quin flak for being fluffy. I grant though that at least in my case, this has been a perception derived from my own progression through the thread without a thorough dig. So now I dig.

As of right now, Quin has 96 posts.

He made 33 posts during the drafting period. Remove them from consideration (I will at least, you may not be so inclined dear readers). 63 remain.

I would call the following posts fluffy in that they do not progress a hunt in a readily discernible way:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p406909
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p407375
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p407401
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p407595
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p407630
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p407642
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p408511
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p408520
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p409509
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p410046

10 posts.

These posts are self-defense, primarily against accusations of fluff, without an obvious reads-oriented development therein:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p406900
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p409618
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p410031
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p410042
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p410060
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p410473
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p410492

7 posts.

63 - 10 - 7 = 46

This leaves 46 hunting-relevant posts, or just under half of his present post count and 73% of his non-draft day post count. This is a greater percentage than I anticipated. It isn't lovely and there is still fluff, but it isn't some glaring, terrible thing either. Those who have accused Quin of doing nothing should review this assessment and his posts as well and then report their own conclusions. I would say that it as at least no longer tenable to discard Quin as having done nothing of note. That is inaccurate.

A separate accusation which would be fairer given the data available is that Quin has not engaged anyone substantively. There have been pokes, prods, and jabs -- but no continued investigation of any single thing (that I can readily observe).

This is a fluff post. You felt the best use of your energy was counting how many of Quin's posts were on-topic? You are toying with Quin and telling people why something that's clearly a bad argument against him is a bad argument, but then in the same post, you raise another bad argument that is effectively derived from the first one: That Quin's overall involvement here is not substantive.

This stinks.

Weren't you the one in Death Note who dissected every single one of the 100+ of DharmaHelper's posts, categorized them, and determined that he was hence not civilian?

I have no memory of what you are saying.

[sig]

What does everyone think of Bob and DDF?


I feel like if one of them is mafia the Pegasus knight under them is mafia as well.

[MacDougall]

What does everyone think of Bob and DDF?


I feel like if one of them is mafia the Pegasus knight under them is mafia as well.

Scum + Town

[TonyStarkPrime]

What does everyone think of Bob and DDF?


I feel like if one of them is mafia the Pegasus knight under them is mafia as well.

Both mafia. If they’re both mafia can they all be mafia? Of Bob and DDL I’m slightly more suspicious of DDL but I can’t read Bob and that psychs me into giving him a null read

[DrWilgy]

MacDougall, what do you think of rundontwalk, sprityo, sig and TSP?

Y those 4?

[TonyStarkPrime]

MacDougall, what do you think of rundontwalk, sprityo, sig and TSP?

Y those 4?

Alphabetically the last four

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait where did he get an alphabetized list @dunya

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait where did he get an alphabetized list @dunya

Wait I’m totally lost.

[nutella]

You did it too?

Holy crap.

Do you honestly think Quin is incapable of looking productive when he is bad?

Weak.

No, I don't think that. I think that he is more likely to look more productive is he is civilian, and since I have seen less effort from him I think he is not exhibiting his usual civ meta and thus I suspect him.

Besides, after doing that exercise, I wouldn't even say that's the chief reason I suspect him right now. Read the last line of my post; that point is more concerning to me.

Jackofhearts2005 can you clarify this and also whether "player list" in that role refers to the draft order or the list with the armies?

The army list.

So then sig is only adjacent to lapluie, who is neither bow nor magical. Solved.

[nutella]

For someone who purports to value precision in language, Epi sure loves to extend things to extreme conclusions which were not in fact implied.

[Epignosis]

For someone who purports to value precision in language, Epi sure loves to extend things to extreme conclusions which were not in fact implied.

Because there be liars up in this piece.

[colonialbob]

I am less suspicious of Colin now though. I don't believe his argument, but I believe he believes it. Starting to feel like a Town/Town argument.

[VOTE: rabbit8] aubergine

Why?

linki: Wat?

@colonialbob Did you ever answer this?

I asked why to which part. If it's why rabbit, yes I've answered it a couple times.

[Kites]

btw do those with a power to kill, @sig for instance, plan to use it every night? your role is powerful and scary in wrong hands i think we should know what you’re doing with it

Don't like this post it's fear mongering, also if I talked about my role mafia could just block/protect whoever I targeted. I will use it when I see fit, people in here can suggest to me targets within the first say 10 hours of the night or the previous day phase and I'll decide if I want to target those people or not.

i just wanted to know if you targeted anyone last night, dunya asking the same and no i don’t think we should know who you are targeting before the night comes

[Kites]

Spoiler: show

feels at the moment:
I’m comfortable around:
ColinIsCool
Dr. White
dunya
JJJ
Long Con
MacDougall
Marmot
Neutral:
DDL
gwilikers6
Kylemii
rdw
sprityo
Hmmmm... :
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
nutella
rabbit8: the longer he’s gone the more I think he’s just not interested in this game
sig
TonyStarkPrime
Confused:
Epignosis - pls start giving reads on people, I’ll leave you alone for now tho
lapluie - post more
Quin - you gotta do more to redeem yourself
Bad feeling:
colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?
DrWilgy - no useful content, weird dunya vote and no explanation

I hope I did the colors right

@Kenway Can you explain your rainbow list in a little bit more detail please?

i went through all ISOs and gave everyone a color based on how i felt about them. for the most suspicious people i gave an explanation, if you want more details on someone specifically, just ask

[colonialbob]

What does everyone think of Bob and DDF?


I feel like if one of them is mafia the Pegasus knight under them is mafia as well.

Why

[colonialbob]

Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.

Wait are you advocating the position that on D1 the mod publicly outed two mafia members and 3 townies?

[VOTE: kenway] aubergine

[Kites]

I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.

1. Kites is bad

Just for this pledge, I'll try to ISO Kites. Unfortunately I can't tonight, but time may be kinder tomorrow.

please do, it’s about time yall acknowledged my presence

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What degree of "empty content" is "ideal" given someone's post count? I don't understand this criticism of Quin.

In a perfect universe, it would be a degree of zero. In the real world, it would be a minimal degree -- accounting for individual differences (Wilgy will by nature have more fluff than the average player). I'd have guessed more than half of Quin's non-draft day posts were of the fluff sort, because I could not distinctly remember much of anything he'd said. That's why I went digging.

JJJ, what prompted you to change your vote from Quin to nutella?

At the end of the day phase, I found myself questioning nutellas voters more than she was herself, poking at arguments that I didn't find completely compelling in her stead. She was present to argue for herself, and I felt she was letting me do it. Upon coming to this realization, I stopped doing so. I considered my suspicion of Quin, that he wasn't putting much meat in his posts. It wasn't substantive. The case against nutella, even if not entirely agreeable, was more substantive. I trusted the people trying to lynch her. I decided to join them.

This is a fluff post.

No it isn't. Multiple players have been accusing Quin of the same thing, but nobody had actually provided a case. They were assertions thrown into the thread. I was among them, because my perception matched theirs. Quin suggested it wasn't accurate, so I took it upon myself to check him on that. If nobody does that and Quin a civilian, then any civilians making that accusation are doing a disservice to their team if they don't make a better effort. I made a better effort.

You felt the best use of your energy was counting how many of Quin's posts were on-topic?

That took about eight minutes to compile. My energy expenditure is efficient.

You are toying with Quin and telling people why something that's clearly a bad argument against him is a bad argument, but then in the same post, you raise another bad argument that is effectively derived from the first one: That Quin's overall involvement here is not substantive.

Green -- nah. If a player truly does load a post history with junk, it's a bad thing. Whether Quin was truly guilty of that is the question, not whether fluff is perfectly okay.

Orange -- That is not a condemnation of Quin, but it is an observation which doesn't work in his favor. If I thought he was the best suspect given that, you'd see my vote on him right now. The entire point of that post was to determine whether the arguments against Quin were valid. I determined that they weren't. I presented a separate argument which is, if accepted, a less scathing accusation but an accusation nonetheless. I will continue to read Quin and judge accordingly.

This stinks.

As before: kiss my ass.

[Kites]

btw do those with a power to kill, @sig for instance, plan to use it every night? your role is powerful and scary in wrong hands i think we should know what you’re doing with it

Don't like this post it's fear mongering, also if I talked about my role mafia could just block/protect whoever I targeted. I will use it when I see fit, people in here can suggest to me targets within the first say 10 hours of the night or the previous day phase and I'll decide if I want to target those people or not.

i just wanted to know if you targeted anyone last night, dunya asking the same and no i don’t think we should know who you are targeting before the night comes

and fearmongering? a little fear does good for everyone, it’s not like i’m tryna get you lynched for having the power. i will promote to sniper if i live long enough, potentially gaining a power to kill too, how do you feel about that, fear? i damn well hope so

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have very little read on Kites. Let's take a look.

Spoiler: show

yeah kenway’s reaction was sincere imo, maybe cos my thoughts were p much identical but he posted first so i didn’t bother to say anything

yeah kenway’s reaction was sincere imo, maybe cos my thoughts were p much identical but he posted first so i didn’t bother to say anything

Can you clarify exactly which thoughts you had which were identical to Kenway's?

i thought scum team recruit would happen during drafting, not before it

Kites stood for Kenway in the dialogue about the latter's assumption that drafting would occur during the drafting process. The assumption about the draft means little to me, because the mafia team literally might not have realized that until they were informed of their selections. The clear, positive stance taken on Kenway is more important though and is noted.

Spoiler: show

also does anyone have contradicting role / backstory info regarding your gender? archers are females and i’m a woman according to my backstory, i just wanna know if they’re intended to match or not

i’ll try to be more active tomorrow. for me it’s really hard to catch up and come up with original cases and stuff someone else hasn’t already said if i’m not there at the start, i feel like i’m constantly 10 steps behind everyone else
good night

I'm not sure what importance gender has if anything. The question isn't likely to produce much of interest.

Spoiler: show

@drwilgy has posted nothing in like 2.5 days and it’s all roleplay

but to answer epignosis’ question, if you were a don who would you pick?: i would pick 2 rym
dunya: i don’t want to play against her, no no + it’d be super fun
gwilikers6: cos he is a good bloke

and 2 other, all of non rym players are unknown to me so just randomly like marmot and dr. white

The comment about Wilgy is an observation but not a read. I like reads more. I'll also note that the purported randomly selected teammates for the Don Kites are given specific examples. Those two are more random than others?

Spoiler: show

i remember @Iron_Dwarf being a quiet lurker when he is a baddie . he did give a valid reason why he can’t post on sunday but do join us

He cast doubt on Dwarf for being quiet. I think the point is as fair as any other "lurker guy is scummy" point. It's an easy to make or to fake.

Spoiler: show

Oh wait, Sloonei isn't in this game, I have to pick another one up.

JJJ is the likeliest candidate but putting him and Dunya on a scum team is probably predictable, so I'll choose MacDougall instead. I don't know why but I always want to be on his good side. Also, I've been scum with him before, so there's that.

This post is so scummy you've gotta be town.

what do you mean by this? it was obviously an answer to epignosis’ question.

speaking of epignosis, he’s the most suspicious person imo. i don’t know if this ”who would your mafia mates be” survey is a common thing on this site but i don’t remember people doing it in rym games. it doesn’t give any useful information, cos the answer is so easy to fake it might actually help scum mislead people i dunno

i think he’s just tryna make a false impression he’s contributing sth valuable to the game

VOTE EPIGNOSIS

I kind of love this. While a newcomer like Kites may not entirely realize that poking Epignosis is a dangerous game for a bad guy, by this point I do think some of the Epi character had shown itself in the thread. The exercise definitely had, and Kites was clearly not afraid of that shit. He went after it. I don't agree with his argument, but I don't care. When I consider the player and the delivery, it looks good to me.

Spoiler: show

yes @nutella pls roast me would you, im playing p much the worst game of my mafia career but no one really cares

What made you feel that you were playing so poorly to this point, Kites?

Spoiler: show

people voting for players with almost 0 content (rabbit8, lapluie) are taking the easy way out. ynching them, however may they flip, will tell us nothing at all. inactive people are bad lynches on day 1 imo

This is another instance of argument I don't agree with, but a conveyance of the argument that I like. Unles there's a mafia teammate among the two Kites named, there's no great motive for him to stand in the defense of players who have done nothing. When you start tacking on "unless", you've inherently reduced the probability of the outcome in question.

Spoiler: show

i voted for you because you’ve done almost no effort reading people, everything you do is revolving around compiling and analysing the stats rather than giving personal opinions which isn’t really any harder for mafia to pull off

anyways this is nice and interesting indeed but i don’t think you should call anyone a civ based on not getting votes. i knew my name wouldn’t be mentioned because i’m literally the least familiar person to everyone here and that the top spot is a popularity contest, no doubt dunya and jjj would be up there

It's also nice that despite his reservations about Epi's exercise, Kites was willing to credit it when it was turned into a product. He acknowledged it, stated his perspective relative to the conclusions Epi drew, and didn't rail against it unreasonably.

He isn't afraid to go against the grain with his rainbow list, at least with some players (Epignosis and colonialbob stand out on the bottom end. Dr. White stands out on the top. Tell me about that read please, Kites, before my twitching eyeball twitches itself out of its socket.

~~~

Conclusion

I think Kites looks pretty good. It isn't immediately apparent without doing this ISO work, because his posts tend to be concise. He isn't blending though. I'd give him a sweet lime green skittle.

[nutella]

I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.

1. Kites is bad

Just for this pledge, I'll try to ISO Kites. Unfortunately I can't tonight, but time may be kinder tomorrow.

please do, it’s about time yall acknowledged my presence

Ok I just did for fun and you look fairly neutral/leaning civ. I especially like your thoughts on colonialbob. However I do have some questions regarding your stance on Dr. White. You (a) drafted his role, (b) listed him as one of your don picks, as one of two "random" non-rymers, and (c) placed him as a top town read in your rainbow. I don't think I saw any reason given for that town read. Can you elaborate on this and what do you think of the cases that have been raised against Dr. White?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella keeps operating in my shadow. So unfortunate.

[nutella]

I just saw your post when I submitted that. Stop having such annoying timing and appearing to beat me to ideas that I come up with independently

[Marmot]

nutella keeps operating in my shadow. So unfortunate.

"Disgusting"

[Iron_Dwarf]

who else found Iron_Dwarf's answer about who Jay is making cases about with ping worthy for the fact Dr. White was not mentioned? Possible w/w if we take into consideration Dr. White's random drafting of Iron_Dwarf at the wrong time, then backing off him to Marmot in the end, when I_D was still available?

Ok, so I can't be bothered to go back and look this up, but I've seen it referenced a few times. Did Dr. White try to draft Iron Dwarf at a random time when it was not his turn to choose, and then a long time later draft a different player? Cuz if that's the case I don't see there actually being much to it cuz the rest of us were just picking based off who was active at the time anyway. Am I missing something?

There is not much else than this to it. It's seeing way too much in nothing. We are talking about someone who had a 50/50 choice in a confusing draft phase. This is textbook gaslighting.

[Iron_Dwarf]

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

AUBERGINE

[VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine

I know what you did last night

Please share with the class.

JJJ deserves his chance to wiggle out of this one

The both of you just throw out a vote without any sufficient explanation and people are not calling you out for this?

I haven't seen JJJ's case on me yet.

[Iron_Dwarf]

dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now

less dunya more hunt

ok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?

My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase

Nutella, you are acting really opportunistic. You were on to Quin and suddenly after JJJ tries to start a hunt on me you switch priorities.

[Iron_Dwarf]

dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now

less dunya more hunt

ok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?

My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase

Dr. White is my top suspect. Iron_Dwarf is a pet suspect. They are unrelated. I don't have the time right now to provide a substantive case, but I may later tonight. Succinctly: I see a number of reads he has made which only barely qualify as "reads". Either no concrete stance is taken or a stance is supported with total vagueness. There's a lot of potential for fake hunting.

I always keep my posts concise. A wall of text is not my M.O. I disagree that I did not take concrete stances. For instance, I did take a position on Epi on day 0.

[Iron_Dwarf]

Following JJJ's logic on me I want rundontwalk to explain his behavior. He's not really adding much of value to cases. Hardly any reads at all, no explanation on his JJJ vote.

[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Also curious about colonialbobs behavior. He seems eager to join a bandwagon on me, then asks dunya who he should vote for, followed by a Kenway vote.

[Kites]

JJJ and nutella I’ll answer you both later, I’m on mobile and in school at the moment

anyways
VOTE COLONIALBOB

[Kenway]

@sig what have I not addressed?

Your posts about me.

What about them? I expressed my thoughts. If I recall, ColinIsCool said he's not buying it. I'm cool with that.

[Kenway]

Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.

Wait are you advocating the position that on D1 the mod publicly outed two mafia members and 3 townies?

[VOTE: kenway] aubergine

As I've already mentioned, one of the role cards explicitly states that all scum are from Badguyia.

[Iron_Dwarf]

JJJ and nutella I’ll answer you both later, I’m on mobile and in school at the moment

anyways
VOTE COLONIALBOB

There are fancy vote tags!

[Kylemii]

Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.

Wait are you advocating the position that on D1 the mod publicly outed two mafia members and 3 townies?

[VOTE: kenway] aubergine

As I've already mentioned, one of the role cards explicitly states that all scum are from Badguyia.

Mage-bud, the armies on the front page likely don't directly correspond to place of birth. we don't really know what they mean yet, and lynching a vigilante or pseudo cop isn't the best way to find out. Not to mention the fact that lynching either of them wouldn't even reveal their nationality anyways. It's not a good plan.

[Quin]

Spoiler: show

alright here are all of quin's day 1 posts

Comment on Jay's meta. Vaguely relevant but not hunting.
Flavor comment that may or may not be relevant to the game (I think it's probably not). Not hunting
Prod on sig for what mafia mac looks like. This is one of your more meaningful posts but it still isn't much
Flavor comment in relation to Kites' weird post. May be tangentially game-relevant but Quin adds nothing substantial to the analysis anyway
His picks for Epi's survey.
Civ read on Dr White and DDL, "nobody I dislike" -- one of your few posts with actual reads and it's disgusting.
"is sloonei even playing" not content
asking for iso links, not content
asking for jay's buttocks, not content
says DDL and rdw stand out as early contributors -- sort of content but not productive
confirming lack of scumreads
dislikes dunya "pushing scumread quota"
says he only has town reads again (3rd time), except this time he says "bar the above" which I assume refers to suspecting dunya for "pushing a scumread quota"?
more talk on not having scum reads, zzzzzzzz
yet more. snore
quotes exchange between jay and dr white saying "this ass is town" not even sure which of the two he is referring to?
"quinfoil" pun 100% fluff
another snarky reply to dunya
prod of Colin
more about colin
more about colin, hey this post approaches being productive
response to colin
--------end of day 1 (he wasn't around for the end of it; there is a 21-hour gap between his last post and his next one)----------

I count about 9 actually productive posts, and in those he only talks about/gives reads of ~5 players (Jay, Dr. White, DDL, dunya, and coliniscool).
About 6 completely fluffy posts, and about 6 posts relating to the scumread quota business.

The most productive content I see is the ~4 posts you direct to Colin. How are you feeling about him now?

Night 1
first post after eod "why did you do that" presumably referring to the accumulation of votes on him while he wasn't there
"oh ok it's because i'm not posting" lol
claiming his day 1 posts weren't fluff
nah alright I'm stopping here and just summarizing the rest this is getting tedious. He defends Dr. White in an exchange with Jay about the implied meaning of "interesting."
Suspects dunya and me for the "scumread quota" thing. I can't speak for dunya but I never said anything about a "scumread quota," I just thought it was suspicious that you specifically didn't have any scumreads. There's a subtle difference there.
Oh look you admit that the argument that you've posted close to no content in your posts is valid howboudah

---Day 2---
you prod lapluie a bit
talk a little bit about the rabbit kill/justifications for it
call out lapluie for playing "with a crutch" -- ok this is actually decent hunting, have you followed it up at all? or I guess she hasn't responded yet
pretty much everything after that is defending your content to me/jay and calling me scum

so... your most significant contributions have been against colin and lap, and yet you choose to vote for me simply because I'm calling you out k dude

Why are you reducing my suspicion of you to a NO U? Your argument sucks. I, nor anybody else is obligated to meet any number of reads and I hate your take on my posts. lapluie and Colin be damned. I suspect you.

I don't think you've given more than a seconds thought into my posts, nutella. You slam almost every post of mine that has meat because it isn't directly tied to a progression of reads. I count three times you've admitted a post has content but disregarded it as "but it's not good enough." Also hate that you've labelled my attack on you and dunya re: scum quota as non-productive. Explain to me the lack of productivity in those posts.

as for your question re Colin: I think he's town. I believe that he believed in his criticism of Epi's plan. I haven't read any more.

[Quin]

Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.

This has "ploy" written all over it. I don't know for sure if those two are scum/town but I really don't think that's what's going on in that post, there could be scum in any of the homelands and townies in any of them as well. And I'm not really sure if it's in a mafia vig's best interests to keep quiet for the time being, don't you think this would be the period in the game where it's easiest to get away with mistakenly killing a townie? If I had that role as a scum I'd be trying to thin the ranks, quickly, self-preservation be damned. I think a lot of us were expecting another death today, and it's not like if it had been two townies we'd suddenly be coming at sig with torches and pitchforks. Sorry Kenway but I'm not buying this.

Agree with the assessment, disagree with the Kenway read.

Wyvern rider is a higher priority tracker target. I think sig of any alignment killing anyone this early is going to put him under pressure, which I think he'd especially want to avoid if he was bad. If two people died last night I'd be looking at everyone with a kill chance. Including sig.

I have no reason to call sig bad fyi. Just my take.

[Quin]

Dr. White posts I have issues with:

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I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution? Seems like he was trying to feign activity. The split between him and colonial is very interesting.

I however found JJJ "strong town reading" Colonial interesting, since it was solely on the grounds of him listing his own reads. Mafia can easily do that as well as to not appear like they are parroting . That is a very interesting link given the colonial-Mac dynamic.

Nutella jumped on Mac pretty early. Not sure if it was a pressure vote, but it really put me off towards them.

Not sure how DDL plays here. He seems more passive and backing down a bit, I will keep a watch on him for sure. Anyone who wants to give me his meta summary feel free.

Other person of note was dunya. Pretty much just need more time to see if she's genuinely town leading, or "the string pulling" mafioso that was mentioned earlier.

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I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution?

So in a game in which one is to determine who received a mafia role one should utilise no intuition whatsoever? Interesting. I have been playing the game wrong for 7 years.

This is a bad reply. I clearly know how to play mafia, and you clearly are twisting what I said. You couldn't have possibly had gotten any solid info on that many people enough to make that many reads at the time you posted that in the thread. Gattling a ton of random reads doesn't really give us much except possible connections back to you for later game. If you were vacationing why choose this as your one contribution to the thread? Once again, seems to be you attempting to set up a presence in the thread with those "reads".

This is hopefully the post he's talking about:

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That's funny because I was going to say ColonialBob was mafia based on his plane taxi post. It just felt laid on thick to me. I mean I am on a tropical island 20 feet from the ocean but you didn't know that because I am genuinely distracted and disinterested whereas he had that scummy forced connectivity to the thread that makes you say unnecessary things.

Also I think RDW is a civ. Dunya is a civ. Epignosis and sig are sus. Jimmy is a civ. Colin is a civ. gwilikers6 is sus. Spirityo and nutella are civ. Kyle is a civ. Quin is sus. Rabbit is a civ. Everybody else is null. Brb fishing.

A reads list by any criteria is appreciated on Day 0. I dislike White's condemnation of it without actually looking into it first. I'm pinged by his criticism of Mac for contributing what he did given that he was on holiday..

I still maintain that Dr.White entered with a sort of authoritative style, and for a player having his first game on another site, I'd say that's unlikely for scum. These two posts aren't great though. Lean town.

Lol yeah you're his teammate

Explain.

[Quin]

You did it too?

Holy crap.

Do you honestly think Quin is incapable of looking productive when he is bad?

Weak.

No, I don't think that. I think that he is more likely to look more productive is he is civilian, and since I have seen less effort from him I think he is not exhibiting his usual civ meta and thus I suspect him.

Besides, after doing that exercise, I wouldn't even say that's the chief reason I suspect him right now. Read the last line of my post; that point is more concerning to me.

Jackofhearts2005 can you clarify this and also whether "player list" in that role refers to the draft order or the list with the armies?

The army list.

So then sig is only adjacent to lapluie, who is neither bow nor magical. Solved.

Your chief concern is that I'm voting you over lapluie when I've got beef with you both. Explain to me why I should be voting her over you.

[Quin]

What does everyone think of Bob and DDF?


I feel like if one of them is mafia the Pegasus knight under them is mafia as well.

I'm town reading DDL and I don't care about bob.

I don't understand the pegasus scum business. ELI5 (thx mac)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I put 9 misdirectors in this game (that you know about) because I hate myself.

They are a pain to process, aren't they?