Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[DharmaHelper]

I literally did like Day 2.

And you never voted for him again after that. Such conviction!

Well ya got me there, mafia guy.

[DharmaHelper]

DH’s case is circumstantial and has a whole lot of projecting, for sure. BUt it could be something nonetheless.

I also have a good feeling about Epi before nutella blew up the game.

I still would rather speed get lynched in any case atm so I can look at LC/speed interactions when I have more time

Circumstantial how?

Epi and Chuck both fucked around with their votes, voting counter to their stated suspicions in order to save Speedchuck, and Speedchuck is bad. Where is the guess work there?

[Epignosis]

DH’s case is circumstantial and has a whole lot of projecting, for sure. BUt it could be something nonetheless.

I also have a good feeling about Epi before nutella blew up the game.

I still would rather speed get lynched in any case atm so I can look at LC/speed interactions when I have more time

Circumstantial how?

Epi and Chuck both fucked around with their votes, voting counter to their stated suspicions in order to save Speedchuck, and Speedchuck is bad. Where is the guess work there?

speedchuck's first role could have been a civilian role. You don't see too many mafia protectors (I had one in Mileena, but I can't recall ever having another one).

[DharmaHelper]

DH’s case is circumstantial and has a whole lot of projecting, for sure. BUt it could be something nonetheless.

I also have a good feeling about Epi before nutella blew up the game.

I still would rather speed get lynched in any case atm so I can look at LC/speed interactions when I have more time

Circumstantial how?

Epi and Chuck both fucked around with their votes, voting counter to their stated suspicions in order to save Speedchuck, and Speedchuck is bad. Where is the guess work there?

speedchuck's first role could have been a civilian role. You don't see too many mafia protectors (I had one in Mileena, but I can't recall ever having another one).

Literally impossible.

[Scotty]

DH’s case is circumstantial and has a whole lot of projecting, for sure. BUt it could be something nonetheless.

I also have a good feeling about Epi before nutella blew up the game.

I still would rather speed get lynched in any case atm so I can look at LC/speed interactions when I have more time

Circumstantial how?

Epi and Chuck both fucked around with their votes, voting counter to their stated suspicions in order to save Speedchuck, and Speedchuck is bad. Where is the guess work there?

speedchuck's first role could have been a civilian role. You don't see too many mafia protectors (I had one in Mileena, but I can't recall ever having another one).

Literally impossible.

You spelled technically possible wrong

[Epignosis]

DH’s case is circumstantial and has a whole lot of projecting, for sure. BUt it could be something nonetheless.

I also have a good feeling about Epi before nutella blew up the game.

I still would rather speed get lynched in any case atm so I can look at LC/speed interactions when I have more time

Circumstantial how?

Epi and Chuck both fucked around with their votes, voting counter to their stated suspicions in order to save Speedchuck, and Speedchuck is bad. Where is the guess work there?

speedchuck's first role could have been a civilian role. You don't see too many mafia protectors (I had one in Mileena, but I can't recall ever having another one).

Literally impossible.

How so?

[DharmaHelper]

DH’s case is circumstantial and has a whole lot of projecting, for sure. BUt it could be something nonetheless.

I also have a good feeling about Epi before nutella blew up the game.

I still would rather speed get lynched in any case atm so I can look at LC/speed interactions when I have more time

Circumstantial how?

Epi and Chuck both fucked around with their votes, voting counter to their stated suspicions in order to save Speedchuck, and Speedchuck is bad. Where is the guess work there?

speedchuck's first role could have been a civilian role. You don't see too many mafia protectors (I had one in Mileena, but I can't recall ever having another one).

Literally impossible.

How so?

He did loads of sketchy bad mafia shit that no civilian would do, ergo he was and is and will remain bad and you are also bad.

[Epignosis]

And you are bad at Mafia.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm sure Chuck and Epi simultaneously deciding to abandon their logical suspicions and put votes on a person who was not here to defend themselves at literally the last second of the day phase is completely not suspicious you guys are right and you have convinced me and this is certainly the last you'll hear of it.

[DharmaHelper]

guys. epi didn't want sprityo to get lynched. because sprityo is a civilian. this is not fucking complicated

Ayyy lmao

[Epignosis]

I'm sure Chuck and Epi simultaneously deciding to abandon their logical suspicions and put votes on a person who was not here to defend themselves at literally the last second of the day phase is completely not suspicious you guys are right and you have convinced me and this is certainly the last you'll hear of it.

[Epignosis]

guys. epi didn't want sprityo to get lynched. because sprityo is a civilian. this is not fucking complicated

Ayyy lmao

DH, I'm not spending my afternoon defending myself from, "Oh look, mafia interacted with Epignosis."

If you want to lead a lynch on me, go for it. I hope it will shut you up if you are successful.

[DharmaHelper]

Here's Epi "defending" speedchuck by saying that if he were mafia he'd have to be aware of his meta. Followed by a post by speedchuck detailing his meta.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

Kay.

So, if I'm bad, what is my logic behind anything I've done this dayphase? Just saying that it doesn't hold town logic is bad. Where is the scum logic?
"Wanted to look productive."
Psh. I'm pretty good at blending when bad. Let me give you some meta context.

I just got out of two scum games and a town game. MK, LOTR, and Buffy.

Scum: I survived in MK until I alignment claimed, with only Mac and maybe Dunya voicing suspicion along the way. Nothing gained any traction. I survived in LOTR by making posts, giving effort, and laying low. Typical scum games for me. Clean, smart, calculated (except for the alignment claim. Don't ask.)

Town: I survived in Buffy as town because my D1 play was crappy and my BTSC partner wasted his role protecting me. Then I gambited in order not to be lynched, despite having a lynchproof I forgot about, got lynched anyway and survived. I then vigged two townies, wrote off the ENTIRE EFFING SCUMTEAM as town, and lost the game, despite having gut scumreads on some of the baddies in early game. It was a crapshoot, and I made some weird choices, especially in the early days.

Tell me, which one of these recent games more matches my behavior in this game?

If you think I'm good enough to calculate my horrendous town game and put on an act, then i thank you for the compliment. But I LIKE having little suspicion. I LIKE playing scum games and being the supahtown smart guy. I LIKE being on top of things. But I'm not a good enough hunter to do that as town.

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei, can you summarize your conviction on Marmot? I've read the thread, but I don't recall.

[DharmaHelper]

guys. epi didn't want sprityo to get lynched. because sprityo is a civilian. this is not fucking complicated

Ayyy lmao

DH, I'm not spending my afternoon defending myself from, "Oh look, mafia interacted with Epignosis."

If you want to lead a lynch on me, go for it. I hope it will shut you up if you are successful.

That specific post was geared more towards confirming that nutella slipped when she said "because sprityo is a civ"

[Epignosis]

There's no original Pikachu member I'm interested in voting, so unless something wild happens, I'll be voting one of the newcomers.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine for now.

[Sloonei]

Marmot is my vote. Wilgy is another candidate I could consider, but I have held a mild town read on him for a while. I do not feel like the supposed connection being drawn between Epi and Speedchuck is significant. I am absolutely not going to vote based off of it today.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine for now.

Marmot's a better choice.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine for now.

Marmot's a better choice.

Okay.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

Why is Marmot the better choice?

[DharmaHelper]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine for now.

Marmot's a better choice.

Okay.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Some conviction!

[Sloonei]

Why is Marmot the better choice?

I said some really convincing things in the Cerberus thread, you should have been there.

[DharmaHelper]

Why is Marmot the better choice?

I said some really convincing things in the Cerberus thread, you should have been there.

Convince me in here.

[DharmaHelper]

Looks suspiciously like Marmot is being hemmed up.

[Sloonei]

welcome ex-cerb peeps

Why do you have a vote?

while the evidence of Marmot's badness is not available to us, it was this type of post that initially drew my attention to him. The post in itself is not troublesome, but I found that he was providing a lot of little prods like this one here, but I seldom, if ever, saw him doing anything meaningful with them. He would send out a spurt of questions like this one and then never seem to pick it back up. Given the climate of our thread, it gave me the impression of a player who was being careful to avoid the accusation of "coasting" without actually bringing any clarity into the thread.

[DharmaHelper]

Just FYI I called Nutella and Chuck and they both are bad. Feeling p. good about my Epi call.

[Sloonei]

Here are two recent DrWilgy games in which I hosted, and read his posts knowing his role throughout the game.

Lord of the Rings Mafia - DrWilgy was civilian. There was little to no content offered by Wilgy in this game, and he was lynched Day 4.
Mountain Mafia - DrWilgy was mafia. He had a lot to offer in this game. Reads out the wazoo, even an ISO. This DrWilgy was on point, and held on strong until his Day 7 lynch.


Here's another recent DrWilgy civilian game.

Fiddler on the Roof Mafia - DrWilgy was a civilian in this game. DrWilgy looks goofy in this game, but he does play on point. He proposes his own lynch so that he wouldn't be around at LYLO, and does some drunk posting. This game falls somewhere on the spectrum between the above two mentioned game. Light, but contributing.


DrWilgy in Cerberus thread was not the one from LotR Mafia. For those who paid more attention in the other thread than I did, what do you think about the other games as a comparison?

Also DrWilgy, where you at?

A post in which he introduces Drwilgy to the conversation and paints him in a faintly negative light while being careful not to actually present his own read on the Doctor.

[Sloonei]

Just FYI I called Nutella and Chuck and they both are bad. Feeling p. good about my Epi call.

2/3 isn't bad. 2/2 does not guarantee 3/3.

[Sloonei]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

[Epignosis]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

As far as you can tell, have both sides been getting all of the results?

[DharmaHelper]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

And assume that the other thread has the nutella flip? And that they'll remember Chuck's fake flip, and that they'll lynch chuck?

Too much to go on.

[Epignosis]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

And assume that the other thread has the nutella flip? And that they'll remember Chuck's fake flip, and that they'll lynch chuck?

Too much to go on.

Trying to protect speedchuck. DH is bad. Confirmed.

[Sloonei]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

As far as you can tell, have both sides been getting all of the results?

Yes.

[Epignosis]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

As far as you can tell, have both sides been getting all of the results?

Yes.

Awesome. I think they'll get the job done then.

[DharmaHelper]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

And assume that the other thread has the nutella flip? And that they'll remember Chuck's fake flip, and that they'll lynch chuck?

Too much to go on.

Trying to protect speedchuck. DH is bad. Confirmed.

You can make fun of me all you want but I'm not the genius that outted himself as speedchuck's teammate Day 1.

[Epignosis]

I still think we should have the most votes on the person who should be lynched here (relative to ourselves) just in case something unexpected happens (like two lynches).

[Epignosis]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

And assume that the other thread has the nutella flip? And that they'll remember Chuck's fake flip, and that they'll lynch chuck?

Too much to go on.

Trying to protect speedchuck. DH is bad. Confirmed.

You can make fun of me all you want but I'm not the genius that outted himself as speedchuck's teammate Day 1.

Nor am I. Genius.

[DharmaHelper]

I still think we should have the most votes on the person who should be lynched here (relative to ourselves) just in case something unexpected happens (like two lynches).

TRYING TO SAVE SPEEDCHUCK (AGAIN)

[Sloonei]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

And assume that the other thread has the nutella flip?

I'd bet that they do.

And that they'll remember Chuck's fake flip,

Our first instinct was to look back for players who had had their roles/alignments revealed out of the blue. There are resourceful mafia players in the other tribe and I have confidence that they'd do the same.

and that they'll lynch chuck?

If the first two points hold up, I see no reason why they would not do this.

Too much to go on.

I disagree.

Speedchuck seems to be our consensus top suspect right now. The only way for us to pursue his death is by abstaining from a lynch.

[Sloonei]

I still think we should have the most votes on the person who should be lynched here (relative to ourselves) just in case something unexpected happens (like two lynches).

Me too.

[DharmaHelper]

If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?

I still think we should have the most votes on the person who should be lynched here (relative to ourselves) just in case something unexpected happens (like two lynches).

Me too.

So you think that we *should* try to lynch somebody.

[Sloonei]

I think we should continue developing our reads and suspicions and place our votes accordingly, but I don't think it's necessary that we lynch a player from this tribe today.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei, besides Marmot and DrWilgy, who've been brought up here, were there any major suspects from your original tribe? I'm sorry if you already answered this elsewhere here.

[DharmaHelper]

Btw since Chuck is bad and he got moved over, one of the people that came over here his also bad. At least.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei, do you believe the other mafia team is called the Obnoxious Odds?

[DharmaHelper]

I'm absolutely heated that Chuck got moved over and I don't get the satisfaction of both lynching him and gloating about catching him literally Day 1.

[DharmaHelper]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, besides Marmot and DrWilgy, who've been brought up here, were there any major suspects from your original tribe? I'm sorry if you already answered this elsewhere here.

Niju is player I was growing weary of. She was given a pass for a while because she was the first player nightkilled in the game, but that's clearly something that should be discarded at this point. I had a few substantial reasons for suspecting her that can't really be fleshed out here, and it's been a while since I looked at the other thread anyway.

LoRab was our "low-hanging fruit" option and for most of the game people have been trying to push a case against her, myself included, but I eventually dropped it myself. I don't know how others feel/felt about her.

Boomslang is a big shrug. Of all the players in this game, I think he's the one I am least familiar with. He didn't do anything to stand out as a civilian, but I couldn't find much that was explicitly suspicious about him either.

It was difficult to develop strong reads in our tribe because, until the very last day, we never lynched anybody and the players who were being killed were generally our town reads, the exceptions being sig and INH. we were just coming out of our pseudo-Day 1 phase when the button was pushed.

[DharmaHelper]

Sloonei, besides Marmot and DrWilgy, who've been brought up here, were there any major suspects from your original tribe? I'm sorry if you already answered this elsewhere here.

Niju is player I was growing weary of. She was given a pass for a while because she was the first player nightkilled in the game, but that's clearly something that should be discarded at this point. I had a few substantial reasons for suspecting her that can't really be fleshed out here, and it's been a while since I looked at the other thread anyway.

LoRab was our "low-hanging fruit" option and for most of the game people have been trying to push a case against her, myself included, but I eventually dropped it myself. I don't know how others feel/felt about her.

Boomslang is a big shrug. Of all the players in this game, I think he's the one I am least familiar with. He didn't do anything to stand out as a civilian, but I couldn't find much that was explicitly suspicious about him either.

It was difficult to develop strong reads in our tribe because, until the very last day, we never lynched anybody and the players who were being killed were generally our town reads, the exceptions being sig and INH. we were just coming out of our pseudo-Day 1 phase when the button was pushed.

And you think a thread that couldn't lynch a single person over 8 days will be able to lynch Chuck?