Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[Scotty]

Sorry sig, it was you or me.

And operation save Scotty is success.

Yeah, and all 7 of my scumbuddies.

[Scotty]

can we lynch one of my suspects tomorrow please

who

Scotty would be nice.

I hope somebody removed me from the poll tomorrow.

Anybody.

















[mention]Quin[/mention]

[S~V~S]

Sorry sig, it was you or me.

And operation save Scotty is success.

Yeah, and all 7 of my scumbuddies.

That wasn't what I was saying and you know it. You should consider a career in politics

[Scotty]

I don't trust Slooneis judgment this game.

He did find Marmot, after all.

But yeah, best forget about that

[Scotty]

Sorry sig, it was you or me.

And operation save Scotty is success.

Yeah, and all 7 of my scumbuddies.

That wasn't what I was saying and you know it. You should consider a career in politics

Nah, they couldn’t handle me.

They can’t handle the TRUTH

[Quin]

I hope somebody removed me from the poll tomorrow.

Anybody.

















Quin

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[S~V~S]

And it wasn't"you or sig". It could have been "you or a baddie" but you just wanted it to be "anyone but you".

Linki, I still don't trust him.

[Scotty]

And it wasn't"you or sig". It could have been "you or a baddie" but you just wanted it to be "anyone but you".

Linki, I still don't trust him.

That’s bullshit and you know it. I had a suspect, but y’all had his back like he was Tom Brady. I had to go to work and i didn’t think I would be around before EOD.

You’re so very wrong SVS. You couldn’t be more wrong if you were a box of cereal in the fridge

[JaggedJimmyJay]

a box of cereal in the fridge

[Scotty]

“Don’t tell me who not to suspect!” exclaimed S~V~S “I think he is extremely prejudiced”.

“I don’t” said Kyle “but has anyone noticed JackofHearts hasn’t commented at all recently?”

“I just want to dry hump INH” said Quin who was in heat.

“Wait…what? And was someone’s role revealed?” asked blooper.

"Yeah, and I live with a puritan" responded Boomslang.

“Well I’m going down the rabbit hole with sig” said Alice D. Luffy.

“What is with those hosts not posting their links?” asked Scotty who was eating a spider roll at the local Told ‘U So.

“Ooops, I think that was juliet’s job” said Golden.

“Yes and her bad knee is contagious!” sobbed daisy.

“Reading is for nerds anyway” said sig.

“My budget was cut
I can’t bet on Loyola
So I will vote sig”
new poet Epi said.

“I’m Lost” said Ben.

Day 12 has ended. sig has been lynched. He was:

You are 8: Pizza delivery man (Pizza). each night, you may create a pizza with the toppings of your choice and send it to a player of your choice (through the host). You may not target the same player on consecutive nights. You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

It is now night 12. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

wtf is this role? Is this a real role?

This is about on par with DH's role, which basically excludes any actual information about the role.
Is this what we're gonna get from now on? Does sig even know what it does?

[sig]

Thanks for the game Golden and juliets it was fun!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sounds like a variation of the Fruit Vendor role.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And operation save Scotty is success.

Yeah because there are like 5 living teammates on his scum team.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Visitor

Basically a role that has no direct effect but can try to get itself confirmed by claiming.

Not really useful in a game like this though.

I've played a setup where every civ was a fruit vendor tho. Maybe could try to host a Burglary for it.

[Epignosis]

It's a real role.

[Epignosis]

I am rarely a fan of lynching sig, because the shit he posts never makes any sense in my head, but I had no reason to refrain from lynching sig at this stage, and Scotty, if anything, is posting more things I can at least follow.

Plus, I wasn't hungry anyway.

[Scotty]

Heyyyyy! Let's look at our friend Kyle through a lens I used on INH. Since it would appear you lot are narrowing it down to us tomorrow.

First, the theme:

I didn't know Wilgy was in our tribe???

Kyle: Yeah, I do think your Wilgy comment is a baddie ping. It suggests that you've been playing the game opportunistically rather than paying closer analytical attention. If you were really trying to solve the game, you'd be taking stock of all the players in it.

So I'm going to look at Kyle here as a credible witness (for you lawyers out there).

As we can reference, LC was brought down because he knew too much. On the flip side, one could say that Kyle knows too little.

If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

what bomb?

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if sig is bad, and on strexcorp, then we’re assuming he used his power on Wilgy, his partner. I do not think he would do that, or even pretend to.

sig's power?

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Didn't realize we were allowed to talk about the puzzles publicly.
I would like to share that I completed and submitted the sudoku within 10 minutes of receiving it.

Gettin that civ cred, eh?
I also submitted my puzzle within 10 minutes, but I’m not using that as a credibility to my civness.

what puzzle?

i remember sloonei winning a contest and getting to snoop on this place but i don't remember any of the specifics of it, nor do i remember sudoku being involved

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@nijuukyugou if I am wilgy's teammate then that means I am also marmot's teammate.

what

oh right nevermind. Wilgy and Marmot were in the same mafia

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i'm also not super comfortable giving reads on any of these new folks given that I haven't actually read any of this thread yet

I also like.... low-key don't remember the names of like 60% of our former tribemates.

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I looked at Pikachu for resistance to nutella suspicion. There wasn't any. I ISO'd Kyle and Scotty. Kyle made no mention of her whatsoever. Scotty had one foot on board the lynch train and seemed to be actively developing his reads. But I do want to point out that he also devoted a good amount of focus to smearing niju along with nutella.

hold on, wasn't nutella already dead when we got there?

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I like to ask a lot of questions to find out what's important and what I should focus on during my digs so I can be more efficient and only spend time on things that are worthwhile or relevant. work smarter not harder is like 90% of my strategy in everything in life.

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Ok, so second, I must preface that Kyle has already shared that he's disengaged, and has offered to try harder. The guy was throwing up most of the first few days, was divided in other games, became a fisherman, and then was behind 60 pages. I can understand that. I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt, though frustratedly. But from my perspective, and this is the tough love- it's just not all there on the surface. But I feel like he knows more than he lets on.

It's very likely that by playing dumb (I'm not calling you dumb- Want to be clear that I think you're playing dumb) he can easily skate by on his ignorance. Like a good corporate exec can talk their way out of embezzling $12 billion by saying 'I do not recall,' kyle has an out that basically says, 'i wasn't really engaged nor did I read that thing you're talking about.'

In this way, a bad kyle won't get caught because there's nothing to catch him for.

If he was the only Evil Even on Bidoof 1.0 (and that's a BIG if), then the first 3 kills are easily explainable for even a hapless bystander. All it takes is a few rainbow lists or brief perusal of the most talkative players and he can identify who looks the towniest- me on N2, sprityo on N8. Maybe he didn't submit a kill on N10? Who knows.


So like. How long do we wait for Kyle to find his voice? He said he felt like a passenger, and in many ways he has been. I can see him as a perfunctory Even that has been pleading dumb in order to never implicate himself or appear too boisterous.

[S~V~S]

I am rarely a fan of lynching sig, because the shit he posts never makes any sense in my head, but I had no reason to refrain from lynching sig at this stage, and Scotty, if anything, is posting more things I can at least follow.

Plus, I wasn't hungry anyway.

Having easy to follow thought processes makes them more likely to be a civ?

[Epignosis]

I am rarely a fan of lynching sig, because the shit he posts never makes any sense in my head, but I had no reason to refrain from lynching sig at this stage, and Scotty, if anything, is posting more things I can at least follow.

Plus, I wasn't hungry anyway.

Having easy to follow thought processes makes them more likely to be a civ?

Not at all.

Having easy-to-follow thought processes makes it easier for me to tell if you're bullshitting.

With sig, I never can tell.

[Epignosis]

Refrigerator is either dom or Quin.

[Scotty]

Oh and btw I still currently think INH is strex

[Sloonei]

Something that has crossed my mind, because I really don't scum read anyone from Pikachu 2.0 at this point: what if Marmot unleashed his blizzard on a night his team was scheduled to kill? A team of Marmot and wilgy is more prone to do something counter-intuitive like that than most, I think. The idea of lynching Scotty makes me shake my head, and I'm not particularly crazy about lynching Kyle either. If Epi or daisy is bad I'll eat a shoe.

How confident are we all that one of these players has to be an Even? And if we ignored that theory, who would be the top suspect in the game?

[S~V~S]

How about we don't ignore it?

There would be zero benefit in being wacky when no one will know about it. Marmot would be very unlikely to waste a one shot power in that way, having been bad with him in a situation where he hoarded his resources.

I know your theory works better if we ignore that, but

[Sloonei]

How about we don't ignore it?

There would be zero benefit in being wacky when no one will know about it. Marmot would be very unlikely to waste a one shot power in that way, having been bad with him in a situation where he hoarded his resources.

I know your theory works better if we ignore that, but

I certainly don't want to ignore it (I think I'm the one who first brought it up at all), but I don't know that it should be treated as a certainty. The benefit of doing it would be the confusion it's causing us all right now. I've never been bad with marmot before and can't say that I'm confident he would do something like that just for the wifom/lols of it, but I'm struggling to rule it out for the simple reason that I have a hard time reading any of the suspects this theory points to as bad.

[S~V~S]

It only seems to be causing you confusion, tbh.

[Epignosis]

because I really don't scum read anyone from Pikachu 2.0 at this point

*coughcolonialbobcough*

[Sloonei]

because I really don't scum read anyone from Pikachu 2.0 at this point

*coughcolonialbobcough*

was not in pikachu 2.0.

[Scotty]

Something that has crossed my mind, because I really don't scum read anyone from Pikachu 2.0 at this point: what if Marmot unleashed his blizzard on a night his team was scheduled to kill? A team of Marmot and wilgy is more prone to do something counter-intuitive like that than most, I think. The idea of lynching Scotty makes me shake my head, and I'm not particularly crazy about lynching Kyle either. If Epi or daisy is bad I'll eat a shoe.

How confident are we all that one of these players has to be an Even? And if we ignored that theory, who would be the top suspect in the game?

This is then assuming that evens kill on odd nights, and while possible, I don’t think so.

Hey [mention]Golden[/mention] ! I don’t know if you can confirm this or if it has already been confirmed but do Mafia kills count as actions that must be applied to their current tribe?

[Sloonei]

Something that has crossed my mind, because I really don't scum read anyone from Pikachu 2.0 at this point: what if Marmot unleashed his blizzard on a night his team was scheduled to kill? A team of Marmot and wilgy is more prone to do something counter-intuitive like that than most, I think. The idea of lynching Scotty makes me shake my head, and I'm not particularly crazy about lynching Kyle either. If Epi or daisy is bad I'll eat a shoe.

How confident are we all that one of these players has to be an Even? And if we ignored that theory, who would be the top suspect in the game?

This is then assuming that evens kill on odd nights, and while possible, I don’t think so.

Hey @Golden ! I don’t know if you can confirm this or if it has already been confirmed but do Mafia kills count as actions that must be applied to their current tribe?

so who's bad?

[Spacedaisy]

I'm kind of confused as to why you are trying so hard to force the Evens to kill on odd nights. All of the evidence points to otherwise.

[Sloonei]

I'm kind of confused as to why you are trying so hard to force the Evens to kill on odd nights. All of the evidence points to otherwise.

It's mostly due to me struggling to find either Scotty or Kyle seriously suspicious.

[S~V~S]

His theory works better that way.

[Epignosis]

I think good old fashioned, "Your posts are full of shit" will work just fine for this stage of the game.

[sprityo]

Should i eat or naw?

[Sloonei]

Another possibility is that nightkills aren't restricted to same-tribe targets.

Why did all of the votes today go to scotty over Kyle?

[Epignosis]

Another possibility is that nightkills aren't restricted to same-tribe targets.

Why did all of the votes today go to scotty over Kyle?

Ask the Others.

[S~V~S]

Because Scottys thread is suspicious af and Kyle felt very real today.

[S~V~S]

I was just surprised everyone fell for the damn sigwagon yet again.

[Epignosis]

I was just surprised everyone fell for the damn sigwagon yet again.

sig being alive at endgame is, I'm sorry to say, a liability at this point. It's no different than the speedchuck issue.

[Epignosis]

I mean, sig made it to Day 12. Nobody "fell for the damn sigwagon yet again." I would have preferred other lynches, but sig wasn't someone I was going out of my way to save.

[Dom]

Sorry sig, it was you or me.

And operation save Scotty is success.

Yeah, and all 7 of my scumbuddies.

I'm embarrassed by this comment.
lol

[LoRab]

Oy! Totally missed the lynch. Sorry all. Crazy busy all day yesterday getting ready for the holiday (and then at the seder, the holiday meal with lots and lots of ritual and story telling attached). Despite exhaustion and 4 too many glasses of wine, I tried catching up last night, and fell asleep reading the thread. Then today was a lot of cleaning up, running around, and getting back to my congregation for a second seder dinner for the community. That part of the holiday is over. Now it's just really weird eating for a week. But my schedule normalizes, so there's that. I should be able to actually focus now.

[Scotty]

Something that has crossed my mind, because I really don't scum read anyone from Pikachu 2.0 at this point: what if Marmot unleashed his blizzard on a night his team was scheduled to kill? A team of Marmot and wilgy is more prone to do something counter-intuitive like that than most, I think. The idea of lynching Scotty makes me shake my head, and I'm not particularly crazy about lynching Kyle either. If Epi or daisy is bad I'll eat a shoe.

How confident are we all that one of these players has to be an Even? And if we ignored that theory, who would be the top suspect in the game?

This is then assuming that evens kill on odd nights, and while possible, I don’t think so.

Hey @Golden ! I don’t know if you can confirm this or if it has already been confirmed but do Mafia kills count as actions that must be applied to their current tribe?

so who's bad?

Oh and btw I still currently think INH is strex

But via the Even route,
If I had to rank everyone on Pikachu 2.0, based on the assumption that kills are targets and players have to only target on their tribe, I’d currently rank as such, from most likely to least likely
-Kyle
-SD
-you

But see I don’t know yet how Epi fits into this. I haven’t really delved into him yet, but I can later

[Scotty]

Because Scottys thread is suspicious af and Kyle felt very real today.

How real was I in the 3 weeks before you entered the tunnel?

You know what’s most frustrating? I view you as one of the civviest here. Sucks to not have you on my team here

[Scotty]

Sorry sig, it was you or me.

And operation save Scotty is success.

Yeah, and all 7 of my scumbuddies.

I'm embarrassed by this comment.
lol

[Scotty]

Okie I’m tired and don’t feel like delving into the last 7 pages of day 12, but knowing both sig and I are civs, ill be looking for players that jumped on the wagons semi-organically but not pushing for it so they don’t stand out. I was busy spewing words to really remember who did what right now, but I betcha a baddie or two is lurking in the train.

[Scotty]

And just because you voted to ‘spare’ me or whatnot doesn’t mean I think you look civ because of it. I know not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but sometimes the horse isn’t a gift and instead of a horse it’s a mafia member.

[Sloonei]

Something that has crossed my mind, because I really don't scum read anyone from Pikachu 2.0 at this point: what if Marmot unleashed his blizzard on a night his team was scheduled to kill? A team of Marmot and wilgy is more prone to do something counter-intuitive like that than most, I think. The idea of lynching Scotty makes me shake my head, and I'm not particularly crazy about lynching Kyle either. If Epi or daisy is bad I'll eat a shoe.

How confident are we all that one of these players has to be an Even? And if we ignored that theory, who would be the top suspect in the game?

This is then assuming that evens kill on odd nights, and while possible, I don’t think so.

Hey @Golden ! I don’t know if you can confirm this or if it has already been confirmed but do Mafia kills count as actions that must be applied to their current tribe?

so who's bad?

Oh and btw I still currently think INH is strex

But via the Even route,
If I had to rank everyone on Pikachu 2.0, based on the assumption that kills are targets and players have to only target on their tribe, I’d currently rank as such, from most likely to least likely
-Kyle
-SD
-you

But see I don’t know yet how Epi fits into this. I haven’t really delved into him yet, but I can later

why is daisy ahead of me?

[Kylemii]

[quote]became a fisherman{/quote}

what

[Kylemii]

oh fuck