Fantasy Movie League - Draft Thread

[timmer]

Mary Poppins Returns will score one week of Christmasy box office, probably credible enough, and will be a sure nominee at the Globes, unless it's a complete stink.

I would have not picked it, however, even at the cost of the entire competition, due to how despicable I find the notion of it even existing. There's milking every past classic in the history of cinema and there's making a sequel out of Mary Poppins. Fuck you, Hollywood.

Mary Poppins Returns is the most guaranteed Golden Globes pick there is - Comedy/Musical is a LOCK for this film.

[Golden]

Mary Poppins Returns will score one week of Christmasy box office, probably credible enough, and will be a sure nominee at the Globes, unless it's a complete stink.

I would have not picked it, however, even at the cost of the entire competition, due to how despicable I find the notion of it even existing. There's milking every past classic in the history of cinema and there's making a sequel out of Mary Poppins. Fuck you, Hollywood.

Mary Poppins Returns is the most guaranteed Golden Globes pick there is - Comedy/Musical is a LOCK for this film.

I tend to think it's chances for nominations at the BAFTAs aren't so bad either. And I'm hoping that I might add a few nominations in technical categories (costume etc) with this and Mary Queen of Scots.

[timmer]

Yeah it's a later round game changer, if its really good.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]timmer[/mention], do you have any guidelines already for trades (if they're allowed)? Technically people could drop and swipe each other's things I guess, but an actual trade concept might be beneficial -- perhaps someone weak in projected awards can make a deal with someone weak in projected box office or vice versa.

[timmer]

timmer, do you have any guidelines already for trades (if they're allowed)? Technically people could drop and swipe each other's things I guess, but an actual trade concept might be beneficial -- perhaps someone weak in projected awards can make a deal with someone weak in projected box office or vice versa.

Hmm, so the only rule that would need to be in place is that any trade must be for future considerations, meaning that if your film has opened and begun earning you box office, it is yours, permanently. And, if one of your actors has had a film open, they are also yours, permanently. However, if it is November, and you have a Christmas release set to open, and you want to trade it to someone for a film of theirs which also hasn't opened yet, I think that would be perfectly legal. Same with actors.

It opens some avenues of attack in the late stages of Round 1. If someone sees that they are in danger of being eliminated due to box office, but they also are holding onto a late-breaking film that is considered a solid Oscar contender but that opens in January and thus will earn zero dollars, they could conceivably trade their sure fire Oscar contender with zero dollars to someone else in exchange for a non-contender that will earn them $60 million.

[DharmaHelper]

timmer, do you have any guidelines already for trades (if they're allowed)? Technically people could drop and swipe each other's things I guess, but an actual trade concept might be beneficial -- perhaps someone weak in projected awards can make a deal with someone weak in projected box office or vice versa.

Hmm, so the only rule that would need to be in place is that any trade must be for future considerations, meaning that if your film has opened and begun earning you box office, it is yours, permanently. And, if one of your actors has had a film open, they are also yours, permanently. However, if it is November, and you have a Christmas release set to open, and you want to trade it to someone for a film of theirs which also hasn't opened yet, I think that would be perfectly legal. Same with actors.

It opens some avenues of attack in the late stages of Round 1. If someone sees that they are in danger of being eliminated due to box office, but they also are holding onto a late-breaking film that is considered a solid Oscar contender but that opens in January and thus will earn zero dollars, they could conceivably trade their sure fire Oscar contender with zero dollars to someone else in exchange for a non-contender that will earn them $60 million.

Again to toss my Fantasty Football experience into things, I'm fine with trades as long as

- Nobody trades actors/films that have already scored
- Trades are 1-for-1 and Actor/Actor Film/Film
- If we're still doing eliminations and someone is for sure getting eliminated, they can't trade their heavy hitters off to another team to push them ahead. Does this last one make sense?

[Epignosis]

I pick Stormy Daniels.

[DharmaHelper]

I pick Stormy Daniels.

Nobody pays for porn anymore, you old man.

[timmer]

timmer, do you have any guidelines already for trades (if they're allowed)? Technically people could drop and swipe each other's things I guess, but an actual trade concept might be beneficial -- perhaps someone weak in projected awards can make a deal with someone weak in projected box office or vice versa.

Hmm, so the only rule that would need to be in place is that any trade must be for future considerations, meaning that if your film has opened and begun earning you box office, it is yours, permanently. And, if one of your actors has had a film open, they are also yours, permanently. However, if it is November, and you have a Christmas release set to open, and you want to trade it to someone for a film of theirs which also hasn't opened yet, I think that would be perfectly legal. Same with actors.

It opens some avenues of attack in the late stages of Round 1. If someone sees that they are in danger of being eliminated due to box office, but they also are holding onto a late-breaking film that is considered a solid Oscar contender but that opens in January and thus will earn zero dollars, they could conceivably trade their sure fire Oscar contender with zero dollars to someone else in exchange for a non-contender that will earn them $60 million.

Again to toss my Fantasty Football experience into things, I'm fine with trades as long as

- Nobody trades actors/films that have already scored
- Trades are 1-for-1 and Actor/Actor Film/Film
- If we're still doing eliminations and someone is for sure getting eliminated, they can't trade their heavy hitters off to another team to push them ahead. Does this last one make sense?

Your first point mirrors my post, so we're good there.

Second point makes solid sense, yes it must be an actor for an actor, a film for a film, everyone has to have a full roster of 5 films etc at all time.

Third point requires a slight bit of "commissioner discretion" potentially, but yes, a late-breaking trade handing over a key Awards player must be balanced, in the sense that the floundering team handing it off must clearly be getting a big box office gain or something in return that makes sense for their prospects in the league. I have discretion to veto any such trade if it is obviously imbalanced.

[Golden]

- Nobody trades actors/films that have already scored

Dharmahelper, still a useful person to pick up in the draft.

(Or me )

[Golden]

Third point requires a slight bit of "commissioner discretion" potentially, but yes, a late-breaking trade handing over a key Awards player must be balanced, in the sense that the floundering team handing it off must clearly be getting a big box office gain or something in return that makes sense for their prospects in the league. I have discretion to veto any such trade if it is obviously imbalanced.

Commissioner should be a majority vote of non-participants in the trade ie at least four others must agree.

[timmer]

I'd rather just ban trading than try to set up some kind of committee. Finding non-participants who understand the process to quickly adjudicate a trade or something seems unwieldy.

[DharmaHelper]

I'd rather just ban trading than try to set up some kind of committee. Finding non-participants who understand the process to quickly adjudicate a trade or something seems unwieldy.

He meant league players who aren't a part of the trade, not people who aren't playing in the league

[Golden]

I'd rather just ban trading than try to set up some kind of committee. Finding non-participants who understand the process to quickly adjudicate a trade or something seems unwieldy.

He meant league players who aren't a part of the trade, not people who aren't playing in the league

This.

And if the trading parties can't find enough people to vote, they can't trade. You need four yes votes to trade, otherwise it fails. Yes votes can come in at any time before a proposed trade movie/film locks and also one party can withdraw a trade until four yes votes occur.

It wouldn't be too hard.

[timmer]

Oh, lol. Right. That makes more sense.

Why don't we vote on it?

1. No trades.
2. Have a snap committee of players who aren't involved in the trade to decide whether it is okay, if a complaint about it is officially lodged in the first place.
3. People wanting to trade have to find other members to agree for the trade to go through.

I'm good with #2.

[DharmaHelper]

2 works. I'd have it where the trading parties just initially PM the comish or put their proposed trade in the thread and then they have a window of so many hours/days for people to look it over and decide if it's kosher.

[Golden]

What's the difference between 2 and 3 in your mind?

[DharmaHelper]

What's the difference between 2 and 3 in your mind?

Rather than consistently having to have 4 people "yes vote" to get a trade, IMO it would work better if trades were publicly announced then had a certain window for complaints to flag it or let it pass through.

[timmer]

one problem with this is that deciding this NOW could be problematic for players who went heavy on early-release films, not knowing that trading would be an option. If all of their films lock early and they would have picked differently had they known trading was a thing, it's no good.

Frankly, if anyone says they want no trades, I'm not sure we can argue it since the film draft is almost finished.

#2 assumes a trade just happens, but if someone complains, we then discuss it.
#3 assumes that we must discuss first for any trade to happen.

If a trade is fine, and no one complains, why not just let it happen and then no one has to do anything, basically.

@DH, exactly.

[Golden]

What's the difference between 2 and 3 in your mind?

Rather than consistently having to have 4 people "yes vote" to get a trade, IMO it would work better if trades were publicly announced then had a certain window for complaints to flag it or let it pass through.

And if one person complains then...

[timmer]

What's the difference between 2 and 3 in your mind?

Rather than consistently having to have 4 people "yes vote" to get a trade, IMO it would work better if trades were publicly announced then had a certain window for complaints to flag it or let it pass through.

And if one person complains then...

Then we assemble the committee.

[DharmaHelper]

What's the difference between 2 and 3 in your mind?

Rather than consistently having to have 4 people "yes vote" to get a trade, IMO it would work better if trades were publicly announced then had a certain window for complaints to flag it or let it pass through.

And if one person complains then...

Usually in my experience the Commissioner reviews complaints, or we could do it where you need a majority to clear it if someone says they think the trade is off.

Or no trades, I'm cool with no trades as well.

[Golden]

I'd be ok with 2 where a complaint triggers the approval process, otherwise the trade goes ahead.

[timmer]

Okay, let's see how the others feel, but if even one person says that they don't want trades, I think we have to honour it because this decision is being made after many films have been drafted, and a few of the rosters are pretty early-release heavy.

[DharmaHelper]

Okay, let's see how the others feel, but if even one person says that they don't want trades, I think we have to honour it because this decision is being made after many films have been drafted, and a few of the rosters are pretty early-release heavy.

Kinda Unrelated but I'm pretty satisfied that I have a couple summer and a couple fall films, even spread kinda

[timmer]

Okay, let's see how the others feel, but if even one person says that they don't want trades, I think we have to honour it because this decision is being made after many films have been drafted, and a few of the rosters are pretty early-release heavy.

Kinda Unrelated but I'm pretty satisfied that I have a couple summer and a couple fall films, even spread kinda

Yeah, you are nicely spread out. It's hard to say if there is a "proper" strategy really as this is such a new concept. I see pluses and minuses for all ideas... lots of early release films means that you know very early if your choices have bombed and you are in trouble, so you can then manipulate your actors roster to compensate with time to spare. A balanced approach should provide a fairly stable snapshot of your situation. A late-release strategy can work but might need some box office assists from actors just in case...

[DharmaHelper]

Okay, let's see how the others feel, but if even one person says that they don't want trades, I think we have to honour it because this decision is being made after many films have been drafted, and a few of the rosters are pretty early-release heavy.

Kinda Unrelated but I'm pretty satisfied that I have a couple summer and a couple fall films, even spread kinda

Yeah, you are nicely spread out. It's hard to say if there is a "proper" strategy really as this is such a new concept. I see pluses and minuses for all ideas... lots of early release films means that you know very early if your choices have bombed and you are in trouble, so you can then manipulate your actors roster to compensate with time to spare. A balanced approach should provide a fairly stable snapshot of your situation. A late-release strategy can work but might need some box office assists from actors just in case...

Part of my spread-outness was unintentional, but part of it is looking for solid summer money and possible fall awards contenders.

I think with 5 films, you are gonna want 1 or 2 major money movies and the rest either middle ground money or awards contention. And spreading out with release dates gives you a bit of breathing room to compensate for a lack in either.

Having spread out release dates also means you're not tripping over yourself and cutting into your box office score by way of competing with your own films. I've tried to pick films that aren't going to have crowded release weekends, or that are going to be the best bet in their weekends. IDK.

[timmer]

just a reminder... [mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention] is up!

[Ricochet]

tldr

[Iron_Dwarf]

Because Adam Driver is sort of my favorite contemporary actor I should choose a film in which he's starring. So The Man Who Killed Don Quixote it is.

[timmer]

[mention]dunya[/mention]

[dunya]

i'm dying out of indecisiveness

[dunya]

i think i'm going with slender man for now. rip me.

[dunya]

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] ur turn

[DharmaHelper]

Creed 2 looks good. Lets go with That. [mention]timmer[/mention]

[timmer]

I'll take Ad Astra.

[DharmaHelper]

Are we allowed now to drop/add films?

[timmer]

Okay, so this brings to a close the film end of the draft. I'm going to open a transaction thread now. Everyone is to use that thread for the duration of the contest to record any drops or adds of their films or actors. As the film draft is now finished, film adds and drops can happen whenever anyone wants.

I'll then get the ten rounds of actors listed and I will get it started within the next 10 minutes.

[timmer]

I'll open the actor draft with Mr. Ryan Gosling.

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] is up.

And folks, this is 10 rounds. If somehow we haven't finished by May 1st, the game begins while we continue to draft!

[timmer]

And DH, I lft you an offer inn the transaction thread!

[DharmaHelper]

Cate Blanchet [mention]dunya[/mention]

[DharmaHelper]

And DH, I lft you an offer inn the transaction thread!

I saw

[dunya]

Cate Blanchet @dunya

fuck, you picked my first pick damn it DH

[timmer]

Cate was my #2, I almost went with her first overall, tbh.

[dunya]

I was going to take Creed II but I didn't because it opens the weekend behind Fantastic Beasts, and same day as Wreck it Ralph 2 and Robin Hood, it's a Nov 23 release date, and Creed 2015 made 100mil in total in the US so I don't think it'll reach anywhere near that in 1 month. I was also gonna go with Skyscraper but DJ movies without a good supporting actor pairing (like Kevin Hart) don't do as well as I thought in the US.

anyway gonna think about my first actor pick a tiny bit more..

[dunya]

ok what the hell, gonna go with a gut feeling, give me Steve Carell.

[DharmaHelper]

I was going to take Creed II but I didn't because it opens the weekend behind Fantastic Beasts, and same day as Wreck it Ralph 2 and Robin Hood, it's a Nov 23 release date, and Creed 2015 made 100mil in total in the US so I don't think it'll reach anywhere near that in 1 month. I was also gonna go with Skyscraper but DJ movies without a good supporting actor pairing (like Kevin Hart) don't do as well as I thought in the US.

anyway gonna think about my first actor pick a tiny bit more..

I picked it for the nominations potential. With Black Panther having done so well, MBJ and Coogler are on fire.

[dunya]

[mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention] you're up!

[dunya]

I loved black panther in general, but I'll be the first to admit it out loud: MBJ's acting was often atrocious. some of the lines (delivery of them) he said were so cheesy, I literally cringed in my cinema seat. Not many seem to share my opinion, and that's fine, but seeing his performance being compared to Ledger's Dark Knight performance hurts my heart.

[timmer]

ok what the hell, gonna go with a gut feeling, give me Steve Carell.

It's a solid pick, he's got a chance at lead actor noms for Women of Marwen, and imo a VERY good chance at noms for supporting actor in Backseat. Oh, and Beautiful Boy as well, also a potential awards earner for him.