Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[dunya]

MP is shady as shit when town;

is he not shady as shit when he's scum?

Not quite so early as that

And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

I tend to think people who "jump out of their skins to make reads" on day 1 are more likely to be town. how and why do you find it suspectable?

[dunya]

Hello all.

hi daisy. tell me how you feel about 2 other players in the game right now.

[Golden]

Scotty would genuinely give new players a pass, but then I think jay or MP would too - like them, scotty could turn around and bite you in the neck. His friendly demeanour is him no matter what. Expect the best one liners and a lot of laughs.

[Golden]

MP is shady as shit when town;

is he not shady as shit when he's scum?

Not quite so early as that

And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

I tend to think people who "jump out of their skins to make reads" on day 1 are more likely to be town. how and why do you find it suspectable?

Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

What is suspectable is a fact learned through many years of playing. What is suspectable is not the same as what is bad. What is shady is not the same as what is bad. I can have the cleanest nose in the street and be bad, that’s my talent.

MP is basically always suspectable no matter what. But I think honk he holds it in a little longer when bad.

[dunya]

If.

If what?

[Golden]

I don’t know where than honk escaped from lol

[dunya]

hey there

Kites!

are you town?

name 1 other person you wont be voting for today. name 1 person you might vote for today.

[dunya]

MP is shady as shit when town;

is he not shady as shit when he's scum?

Not quite so early as that

And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

I tend to think people who "jump out of their skins to make reads" on day 1 are more likely to be town. how and why do you find it suspectable?

Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

do you see me saying i think you think mp is bad or good?

I asked you why you found it suspectable for him to be trying to make reads. You haven't answered that part yet unless "learned through many years of playing" is an answer I didn't catch? I've been playing mafia for years too.

[dunya]

so many 1 posters and some no posters still. I can't prod you all, but I am looking at you with my big, magnificent eyes. We have like 36 hours to make a decision so get in here and tell us what you make of the thread so far.

[Golden]

Making reads that aren’t there - don’t take only the first half. Making reads might be town behaviour. Forcing reads is often a sign of mafia.

[dunya]

which reads has he forced?

[Golden]

which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

[dunya]

which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

I ISO'd you and didn't find a clear answer of where or towards whom you felt MPs reads were forced...

do you enjoy asking a question in reply to a question instead of answering the question?

[Golden]

which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

I ISO'd you and didn't find a clear answer of where or towards whom you felt MPs reads were forced...

do you enjoy asking a question in reply to a question instead of answering the question?

I think it’s clear by inference. I’m interested in what you believe I mean. At the moment I think you’re more interested in my words than my meaning, and I don’t love that look.

And yes I rather do.

[wolbre04]

I feel like such a moron. I've been perched waiting for the game to start and didn't even realize it did

[dunya]

wow, you're doing circles around the point instead of answering a clear-cut question that revolves around your own words and who and what you find suspectable and then trying to turn this around on me. I don't know what you mean, because you've implied that MP has forced reads (in the plural) without actually telling us which reads of his felt forced. I can read your words, words are clear, but I'm more interested in the reasoning behind them which isn't clear and which you haven't offered. Are you saying he forced a town read on scotty? he forced a scum read on me? idk. and honestly, your answer after this point no longer holds the same weight it did before you went around in circles.

[wolbre04]

Welcome guys!

Good luck hope y'all survive and may the glory of America Reign Free!

[Golden]

Votes are changeable

why marmot?

i'm leaning towards a scotty vote. is he usually sincere? is not voting for people you've never played with general etiquette? i've never played with him before but letting everyone he's never played with avoid his day 1 vote seems like a good way to seem friendly and agreeable.

Or just good form.

If this is your reason for a vote I think it’s worth noting that there are several people (myself included) who share this position as a general rule, so it holds less tangible goodwill value here than it might in some places.

[dunya]

I feel like such a moron. I've been perched waiting for the game to start and didn't even realize it did

that's ok! Day 0 happened on a Saturday at mindnight EST and Day 1 started at Sunday 6pm so a lot of people haven't really checked in yet. feel free to dig right in and throw some reads around.

what time zone are you in btw? I know we have some Europeans and some Australians playing too.

[dunya]

If this is your reason for a vote

It was a prod-vote; and Scotty answered my concerns and offered insight. When I find another suspect, I'll move my vote.

[wolbre04]

I feel like such a moron. I've been perched waiting for the game to start and didn't even realize it did

that's ok! Day 0 happened on a Saturday at mindnight EST and Day 1 started at Sunday 6pm so a lot of people haven't really checked in yet. feel free to dig right in and throw some reads around.

what time zone are you in btw? I know we have some Europeans and some Australians playing too.

I'm Central US so it's 4:21 am here
I'm far too tired atm to do anything comprehensive but I voted to make sure it works on my device, will post reads and such in the evening or afternoon

[dunya]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention], I look forward to seeing your reads!

also, do you think sig represented you accurately in the blurb below?

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

[Golden]

Straight answers might give you answers, but it doesn’t give me any.

Don’t try and catch me in semantics. It’s not a game I’ll play. If you can answer my question (and yes, anyone who has read my iso ought to be able to), then I’ll beloeve your questions are in good faith. Right now I don’t - I think they are just to generate content. None of the questions you’ve asked me have any meaning - you’re trying to push me into defending the idea that I can believe sig has a bad read on mp while holding my own town view. I can hold both those views at once, and I’m not going to let that be used against me.

[Golden]

Welcome wolbre, nice to meet you.

[dunya]

I wonder what playing Mafia with Socrates would be like

Ugh, he’d probably just tediously ask everyone to explain their every thought.

sounds like me tbh

what are some of your thoughts please.

you underlined portions of sigs post, which seem superfluous out of context, but if you read the post in its entirety you can make sense of what he's trying to say. some of us just talk like that, y'know?

[Golden]

For the record though, dunya, I like this exchange - even if I don’t trust your motives, it’s a good signpost for later.

[wolbre04]

Am I missing a running timer?

Also, I usually will post a little list with alignments/flips/deaths at the end of each phase if that's allowed here. It helps me gamesolve a bit and also is useful to others (I use these on my home forum when I host)

This is a sample one from A Super Smash Bros game I hosted

[dunya]

Straight answers might give you answers, but it doesn’t give me any.

Don’t try and catch me in semantics. It’s not a game I’ll play. If you can answer my question (and yes, anyone who has read my iso ought to be able to), then I’ll beloeve your questions are in good faith. Right now I don’t - I think they are just to generate content. None of the questions you’ve asked me have any meaning - you’re trying to push me into defending the idea that I can believe sig has a bad read on mp while holding my own town view. I can hold both those views at once, and I’m not going to let that be used against me.

you are thinking way too hard for day 1. literally my only purpose is to see if you're talking shit or not. call me dumb if you want, but I seriously could not infer these forced MP reads you're claiming you revealed in your ISO. sorry man. it's not clear-cut to this Swede. and I won't ask you again and I don't want you to answer me. but think: if I could see it, why the heck would I be asking you and pushing for an answer? (also, please don't answer that. it was a rhetoric question for your pondering).

I'm gonna move on because I don't like it when someone just takes me for a ride, but I will come back to this eventually, I'm sure.

[Golden]

Wolbre

1) the poll sets the end of phase. We don’t have a timer functionality, so make sure you are set to the local time in the user control panel

2) such lists are perfectly welcome.

[dunya]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention], you should see the end time at the top of the poll for your timezone

Who threatens to dismantle everything we have achieved here?
Poll runs till Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:00 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

11pm my time is different than 11pm your time

[wolbre04]

Welcome wolbre, nice to meet you.

Thank you <3

@wolbre04, I look forward to seeing your reads!

also, do you think sig represented you accurately in the blurb below?

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

Yeah that's pretty accurate. My first game of mafia ever on a forum was about five months ago, so I'm still learning steadily. I have never gotten mafia before but I won my second game ever as Serial Killer. I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place

[Golden]

Dunya

The answer is sig. I haven’t read most of MPs posts but I read the first one in which he called sig out for mentioning wolbre.

[wolbre04]

@wolbre04, you should see the end time at the top of the poll for your timezone

Who threatens to dismantle everything we have achieved here?
Poll runs till Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:00 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

11pm my time is different than 11pm your time

Thank you for clarifying, otherwise I would've been lost

Wolbre

1) the poll sets the end of phase. We don’t have a timer functionality, so make sure you are set to the local time in the user control panel

2) such lists are perfectly welcome.

Okay thank you guys so much (sorry I'm asking questions here I should probably just privately message the host)

[dunya]

that's fine! ask as many questions as you need, the host and players don't mind.

[Choutas]

There now appear to be many game-relevant posts on day one. I blame MP, but I'm voting sloonei for now because yolo

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.

[Golden]

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

How much history do you have with sig, nova? (Serious question, btw).

[Golden]

There now appear to be many game-relevant posts on day one. I blame MP, but I'm voting sloonei for now because yolo

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.

Please, let me know what I need to do to get another yellow card.

But they're actually basically golden cards anyway.

[Golden]

Thanks you for your tome

Glad to see scotty's autocorrect is on point with the thematic jokes.

[Golden]

I was up to date with the thread briefly and it's all downhill from here.

If I had to put money on MPs alignment, it's town. Like, literally his first post pinged people. That seems like town MP to me.

Does that say anything about the people he pinged?

Probably not, but I'll consider that response in more depth later.

MP is shady as shit when town; the question is whether any of the people who are pinged would normally see it that way.

What do you mean I'm shady when I'm town?

Are you sure you want me to answer this?

[Golden]

Turnip Head came in and placed an ironic joke vote on Marmot (which was funny, by the way), but then vanished without a trace. I don't like it.

Why not? Is there anything abnormal about this? It reminds me of a game... I don't even remember which one now... where TH did this to me virtually exactly the same on day one. I wonder if I can find it for comparison. I feel like he did basically the exact same thing though.

[Golden]

from a tone POV I'm not sure I actually believe she believes what she's saying about him.

MP said this about dunya and I find this interesting since it is virtually identical to the objection I just felt in my conversation with dunya.

So, the question is... to those that know dunya, is this our lack of knowledge of her? Dunya's questions *feel* hollow to me, is this me trying to project dunya onto sloonei or something?

Sloonei, actually, it's possible you are best placed to answer this. Interested in Choutas' view too.

[Choutas]

MP is shady as shit when town;

is he not shady as shit when he's scum?

are you saying you're finding MP shady as shit atm?

This. Good catch.
I mean half of the players on rym were shady as fuck by default but the general consensus follow the leads even if somebody has a history of looking bad by accident.

[Golden]

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

So sig is confusing 'weird' for 'bad' I think - understandable when the weird is directed at him, I think.

Sig - I think you were bad with MP in the scrimmage game, right? Did you think he was 'weird' then?

but wasn't it weird? I'm going to channel my inner Jay for a moment here and say that every post we make has a purpose, intentional or not. maybe MP didn't realize it, but even subconsciously, his pondering of sig's motive meant something. let's go back to meta and histories, sig is famously known to be easily mislynched for being shady. I learned that the hard way when I led for his mislynch in a game and everyone beat the crap put of me. I just wasn't crazy about how fast MP dropped sig like a hot potato, kind of retracting his earlier push by concluding sig is being sig.

Like I said, channeling inner Jay, everything has a purpose..

My read on MP is that his purpose was "I haven't played in mafia forever can I make a read now, yes, please, thankyou!" You should always apply the 'golden retriever' test to MP first and foremost.

It could be NIA but I think it tends more towards not having any need to moderate himself for a btsc team. He's snowed me before, but generally speaking I find MPs motives quite easy to read.

[Golden]

MP is shady as shit when town;

is he not shady as shit when he's scum?

are you saying you're finding MP shady as shit atm?

This. Good catch.
I mean half of the players on rym were shady as fuck by default but the general consensus follow the leads even if somebody has a history of looking bad by accident.

You can follow what you think is a lead, I can townread what I think is a townlead. It's not a lead, it's a misread. I feel like this is a freestyle rap with nowhere to go.

MP doesn't have a history of looking bad 'by accident'. He has a history of looking bad when town to generate shit, and to hold back a little when bad to avoid taking the heat he inevitably takes after approximately one post whenever he's town.

It's a day one read but I'm pretty happy with it.

[Choutas]

There now appear to be many game-relevant posts on day one. I blame MP, but I'm voting sloonei for now because yolo

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.

Please, let me know what I need to do to get another yellow card.

But they're actually basically golden cards anyway.

Downplaying somebody's post.

[Golden]

The one that stands out the most right now is dunya's vote for scotty - I have no history with dunya, but dunya has no history with scotty. It's possible it stands out for 'culture clash' reasons.

I dunno. I prodded Scotty for info on his personality both from Scotty and others, and backed it up with a vote. My vote and questioning his motives and sincerity has created discussion. This is a good thing. We have 48 hours; my vote's moving all over the place before I make a more informed Day 1 decision.

Would you generally trust someone who assessed their own behaviour as a 'good thing'?

What is inherently better about your first vote being based on info for pressure, as opposed to yolo that creates pressure?

[Golden]

There now appear to be many game-relevant posts on day one. I blame MP, but I'm voting sloonei for now because yolo

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.

Please, let me know what I need to do to get another yellow card.

But they're actually basically golden cards anyway.

Downplaying somebody's post.

Boom! I win!

I have a long history of taking votes on day one when town. You're finding out why right now. My day one record when not town is substantially cleaner.

Oops, there I go talking about my own meta. I ping myself!

In all seriousness though, why are you voting on such basic grounds? Don't you think it would be incredibly easy for me to have played a much cleaner game to date? My behaviour so far has been virtually asking for votes. Kyle even independent read me. Don't I strike you as an 'easy vote' right now?

[Choutas]

Sloppy -> Scumtell
Random voting -> Scumtell

Anyway, I always work the evening shift so expect low to zero participation from 14:00 to 24:00
It's possible I could scrabble some posts here and there but my participation in this game will be from low to low-average.
It's a blast we get to play again together guys. Thank you Jay.

[Golden]

Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

do you see me saying i think you think mp is bad or good?
[/quote]

Interesting - I think we meant two different things here.

I meant that I had a solid townread when you were going at me as though I was painting him bad.
I think you meant you'd legitimately not made a read on him.

[dunya]

The one that stands out the most right now is dunya's vote for scotty - I have no history with dunya, but dunya has no history with scotty. It's possible it stands out for 'culture clash' reasons.

I dunno. I prodded Scotty for info on his personality both from Scotty and others, and backed it up with a vote. My vote and questioning his motives and sincerity has created discussion. This is a good thing. We have 48 hours; my vote's moving all over the place before I make a more informed Day 1 decision.

Would you generally trust someone who assessed their own behaviour as a 'good thing'?

What is inherently better about your first vote being based on info for pressure, as opposed to yolo that creates pressure?

I didn't assess my behavior as being a good thing; I said the discussion that has revolved around it is a good thing. There's a subtle difference you should be able to catch.

who said my second vote is inherently better? who determines what is better anyway?