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[wolbre04]

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[Marmot]

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[Kylemii]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] who's do you think should be lynched today

[wolbre04]

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Gj Junior

[Marmot]

This is how you generate discussion. Incentivizing.

Here, have an activity point wolbre. Have two Kyle for being on-topic.



I think we should lynch scum, and to do that, I think that Jay is a good place to start.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm back. There's still work to be done. Let's roll, civilians.

[Kylemii]

the situation for us right now is that any wrong move will probably end the game and make us lose in the most embarrassing way possible and we all look like idiots

situation for the mafia is that a wrong move for the civs means victory for them but a right move for the civs only means that they have to stick it out for like... another phase or two.

Marmot so far looks more like the latter than the former.

[Long Con]

Looking at DDL's ISO, I'm not going to delve too deeply into Day 0 interaction. He did say this about Scotty:

Scotty and Mac are civilians.

Scotty?

If he's really telling the truth about the not reading thing he's NAI at best.

To be fair knowing Scotty he is probably telling the truth though. He likes those weird Day 1 metas.

Possible teammate talk.

Day 1:

All the people giving shit to Jack and Sprit for lame activity but

What about Dom?

I'm pretty sure he made a bunch of posts so far but none I care for

I am actually more willing to go after him than the other two because there is some probability scum is voting for them, but not him.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Looks pretty good for not being teamed with Dom... unless this is just distancing. Pretty vague reasons for choosing his vote actually. Possible teammates.

I don't like how nova just voted for Avito and left.

In our other site Avito is always getting day 1 lynched for memes so it makes sense in context there. There.

Here this vote is completely meaningless. Nobody knows Avito. Nova made and easy vote that is not particularly likely to turn into a lynch and left.

Same here I guess? Did DDL really pursue either nova or Dom? Are they all on a team?

That's as far as I am right now. Time to go out and do other things. Maybe I'll continue later. I feel comfortable with my DDL vote based on this.

[Kylemii]

This is how you generate discussion. Incentivizing.

Here, have an activity point wolbre. Have two Kyle for being on-topic.

I think we should lynch scum, and to do that, I think that Jay is a good place to start.

1 activity point if you tell me why Jay is a good place to start

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con, I don't follow. Both Scotty and Dom are dead civilians. How can DDL be a mafia teammate of either one?

[Kylemii]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] what do you make of Jay's activity rush last night that he made while on his irl deathbed cus of allergies? does bad Jay do all of that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do Dragon D. Luffy and insertnamehere work as mafia teammates?

I recall INH looked decent but then he kind of disappeared? Not much different from GoC where he was bad tbh.

Okay.

None of INHs posts are meaningful tbh

I disagree, he posted a fuckload of fluff, but there are some useful posts here and there. Sounds like you're trying to throw shit on him.

Peculiar to stand in defense of a player if you feel he has provided "a fuckload of fluff".

Jay looks civ, tinfoil aside. He is playing the same as in FE. I mean I am open for a tinfoil but at this point I'm not sure if the risk is worth it. Maybe later after we actually lynch baddies. Mac is decent, albeit less obvious civ than Jay. But what I said about Jay applies to him.

I like Kyle in this game. Juliets I like somewhat less. I don't remember who said that but shes mostly making easy points and stuff that is easy to agree with. Can very easily be civ, but also easy for a bad to make. I haven't liked wolbre's guts since the start and I think his pursue of INH is forced. Could see myself voting there if we don't lynch an inactive. Ok scratch that I have someone I wanna lynch other than Marmot.

Did I already run out of active players? Well the others are interchangeable. There is some big tinfoiling about INH since he actually bothered to show up which could suggest team coaching, but then again, he is an inactive who came back. A mislynch of him is worse than a mislynch of say, Dom. The problem is that by picking one now we are basically gambling the game. Then again the town is so fucked that gambling may not be a bad idea.

Giving wolbre shit for suspicion of INH and then dancing around on an Eggo in his own read on INH.

DDL, why do you say a mislynch of INH would be worse than a mislynch of Dom? Also, I'm pursuing the things I see fit to pursue.

If he is a civ he can vote.

Dom won't vote.

A mislynch of someone who is voting and is a civ brings us closer to the end of the game.

I now officially Hate This Post.

That said, we are still gambling. We don't know if Dom can be more or less civ than Penny or INH or nova. We are just reducing the damage in case we miss.

So why was Dom your specific target?

What is the case against me, if I may ask ?

The same against Pennywise, Dom and INH. Prolongued inactivity.

That's not really the case against INH. It's part of it.

how confident are we that there's a vampire in the empties

If by empties you mean just Penny and Dom, 56%

If it's Penny, Dom, and both nova and INH, 80%

Calculations.

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Hardly anything from INH.

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How compatible are they as teammates?

[Marmot]

@Marmot what do you make of Jay's activity rush last night that he made while on his irl deathbed cus of allergies? does bad Jay do all of that?

That's excellent intuition Kylemii. I no longer think Jay's a good place to start.

Linki: Ooooh that's hot!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention], to clarify your own investigation of DDL and Pennywise: did you find them to be low-spice as teammates? That's my interpretation of corn.

I will check myself too and see what I think.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Marmot what do you make of Jay's activity rush last night that he made while on his irl deathbed cus of allergies? does bad Jay do all of that?

That's excellent intuition Kylemii. I no longer think Jay's a good place to start.

Linki: Ooooh that's hot!

You have a well-oiled machine of effort and dignity happening all around you in this thread, but you haven't the heart to pick up a shovel and help us. Why Marmot?

[wolbre04]

@wolbre04, to clarify your own investigation of DDL and Pennywise: did you find them to be low-spice as teammates? That's my interpretation of corn.

I will check myself too and see what I think.

Yes it was pretty bland tbh. Really hard to find anything there considering I can count the number of substantial posts by Penny on 2 fingers and DDL didn't comment much on the Penny wagon iirc

[Long Con]

Oh damn are they dead? Well that is lame sorry

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do Dragon D. Luffy and Marmot work as mafia teammates?

Marmot asked a single question in his eight posts of pertinence to making reads (about INH potentially voting Scotty). That's a civilian ratio for Marmot.

JaggedJimmyJay called me a civilian for the most minimal of content ever offered in the history of Marmots.

Lynch this bear.

You always lament your lack of credit, but when you get it you get scared.

Your response made me laugh.

Damn, and I already voted for you and everything.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

What a waste of time. This looks suspicious. Is this a joke vote? JJJ isn't getting lynched Day 1, what world do you think we're in?

He's not self-voting, so I think that's an improvement

Semi-jokes, mkay.

I was going to say I felt like Marmot had more or less disappeared after Epi's death.

Then I looked at his ISO and he has a bunch of posts. But my gut says he kind of went underground. He threw some soft shit at Jack but that's it. I mean sure, it's Marmot, but usually when he's a civ I can read that more easily.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

We got beef!

Ok there isn't anyone among the actives I really wanna lynch, except maybe Marmot who I still think is coasting the hell out of this game.

The wagon wasn't catching and DDL griped.

He has been a loose cannon since the start. Not like Marmot is not a loose cannon, but I feel like civ marmot tends to be actually trying to solve the game. I can usually feel when he is a civ, I'm not feeling anything here.

Still beefin'

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

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How compatible are they as teammates?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh damn are they dead? Well that is lame sorry

You were the first person to post in the thread after Dom died, and you even reacted to it directly:

Are you kidding me

[Long Con]

Yeah, I guess looking back at the past when they were still alive made me forget.

[wolbre04]

Oh damn are they dead? Well that is lame sorry

You were the first person to post in the thread after Dom died, and you even reacted to it directly:

Are you kidding me

Yikes

[wolbre04]

Not to shade you LC but
Oh my god

[Long Con]

I'm just not as engaged as the ideal player would be.

[Long Con]

Dom was an absentee player... not much difference between his life and his death.

[Kylemii]

10 living players left, lynching any one of 4 of them will prevent the game from ending.

any player we can remove from the poe pile increases our chances drastically

[wolbre04]

Ok let's make play a game. 10 players 4 being scum.
1. Name ONE player you think is scum.
2. Give 1 sentence of reasoning that is concise.

Everyone please.


I'll go first,
Penny

[wolbre04]

Ok let's make play a game. 10 players 4 being scum.
1. Name ONE player you think is scum.
2. Give 1 sentence of reasoning that is concise.

Everyone please.


I'll go first,
Penny - Silence has been random and we have been trying to kill active players and mislynching left and right.

[wolbre04]

For all intensive purposes we have 9 voters. Scum has a 4 vote weight in this. We need to all vote together and make a common agreement. We have 4 wagons atm and I only like Penny or LC lynch

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok bad news is that I'm seven pages behind. Good news is that I went to Ozzy Osbourne live in São Paulo yesterday and it was just amazing. I'll catch up and post as I go.

Haha wolbre my boy, there are four mafia members so you’re going to need some more.

JJJ
Penny
Nova
Marmot

There's my GTH scum team

How come you spend half the game tunneling on INH then exclude him from a 4 person scum list at the endgame?

How does that even work?

Teammates?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I understand why I am in this position though. There's no reason to trust me at all beyond vague shit like "tone", and I wouldn't figure anyone would care about that in my case specifically under these conditions.

So the people who are giving me a pass are hard to take seriously. Long Con, DDL, and Mac have not wavered in their trust of me despite my continued pants-on-head failure in this game. I'd figure on two evil-doers in that group at this point.

I dunno mean I just don't see it.

Its not really trust, it's just that.... you feel like civ Jay from the last few games (specifically FE). So sure I could be wrong but it's still less likely than everyone else. You are bossy and confident and trying to micromanage everything. At some points I've felt mad at you because you came accross as arrogant for how you were turning down other's peoples accusations and disagreements at you. But I think 2018 Jay is just different from how you used to be when I first started playing with you. There are posts you made in this game you would have never made in 2015. You used to be more agreeable. I remember coming into the Syndicate and feeling really welcome because I could call you and Sloonei and others bad and be met with "this is a perfectly valid point, what would you like me to elaborate on" and now if I call you bad I'm more likely to get "I don't care" or something like that. You just have a lower patience for people in general now.

But I'm already beyond the point of understanding that when it comes to seeing your meta. You changed. And I already lynched you for that once, in FE. I'm not repeating this mistake.

And the point about town losing badly having to mean our leaders are crooked... I just don't see it. Maybe you are unused to seeing mafia stomp the civs this hard but in my other site it happens... all the time. I'd wager every 3 or 4 baddie wins there is a perfect win, except for maybe a succesful vig. And all those wins happen with civ leaders like you who are good at leading the town and good at solving the game and they just fail. In part because there is a lot of inactivity among the civs which they can't deal with, in part because the mafia is just plain good. So I'm not really impressed by this, to me it's just thursday. We didn't manage to galvanize ourselves and get into a state where we are solving the game, so we never did.

Like, I know there is this house of cards effect when it comes to baddies getting lynched, but there is also a similar effect to civs getting lynched. Polls become harder to win. PoE becomes unviable. And after 3 or 4 lynches the baddies can just control the polls with little problem. So I don't really accept this logic that such a bad game means the town leaders are bad all along. The town leaders can be good and completely missing the mark. It happens.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

A voice in my soul just told me to vote for him.

Ok how do I even defend against that

Exorcism?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

A voice in my soul just told me to vote for him.

Ok how do I even defend against that

Exorcism?

I don't need or care about defense. Find the bad guys and the rest will work itself out.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

wolbre, once I have completed my task I will give yours a go.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

A voice in my soul just told me to vote for him.

Ok how do I even defend against that

Exorcism?

I don't need or care about defense. Find the bad guys and the rest will work itself out.

Tbh that post was in jest. I don't usually defend myself against posts like that because it's impossible.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Jay looks civ, tinfoil aside. He is playing the same as in FE. I mean I am open for a tinfoil but at this point I'm not sure if the risk is worth it. Maybe later after we actually lynch baddies. Mac is decent, albeit less obvious civ than Jay. But what I said about Jay applies to him.

I like Kyle in this game. Juliets I like somewhat less. I don't remember who said that but shes mostly making easy points and stuff that is easy to agree with. Can very easily be civ, but also easy for a bad to make. I haven't liked wolbre's guts since the start and I think his pursue of INH is forced. Could see myself voting there if we don't lynch an inactive. Ok scratch that I have someone I wanna lynch other than Marmot.

Did I already run out of active players? Well the others are interchangeable. There is some big tinfoiling about INH since he actually bothered to show up which could suggest team coaching, but then again, he is an inactive who came back. A mislynch of him is worse than a mislynch of say, Dom. The problem is that by picking one now we are basically gambling the game. Then again the town is so fucked that gambling may not be a bad idea.

DDL. There is a lot of content here about players who are still alive. Do you still hate Wolbre?

4 pages behind but yeah I'm still hating wolbre.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

That DDL post Mac just posted is waffles galore.

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

Honestly I don't see any other way I could be in this game right now other than waffling on people. I just don't have any sure reads. There are some people I like more, some people I like less.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Jay given you've voted him perhaps you will do better at seeing if there are any logical teammates for him. I couldn't see any.

Pennywise. Look at DDL's effort to orient toward an inactive lynch of Dom specifically. Even my wrong ass did think Dom was an ideal first choice given his long-established history of low posting.

This is wrong.

I voted for Dom at first. Then I changed to Pennywise. Then I stayed on Penny all day until I checked the poll at the end of the day, saw Dom had 6 votes and went back to help the vote block. I actually preferred to lynch Penny than Dom because I didn't like how fast the Dom wagon formed early, with 5 people.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Either way, something you said does give me an idea Mac. It is going to be difficult given the time constraints in 24/24, but we have nothing better to try as far as I can see.

First, everyone needs to select the two players you think are LEAST likely to be mafia members. Please respond quickly. Don't include yourselves.

Kylemii
MacDougall

Kylemii
Jay

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Jay given you've voted him perhaps you will do better at seeing if there are any logical teammates for him. I couldn't see any.

Pennywise. Look at DDL's effort to orient toward an inactive lynch of Dom specifically. Even my wrong ass did think Dom was an ideal first choice given his long-established history of low posting.

I just scanned his ISO for Pennywise and he has soooo much content about and with Pennywise. I wouldn't think he would engage with and talk about a teammate that much.

Why not?

I just don't think scum do that? I think there is more evidence to suggest scum teammates avoid each other in thread than there is to suggest they stage these choreographed debates of distancing amazement that people think they do.

Also this particular brand looks all very trustworthy. Read it yourself and find me some Pennywise content in his ISO that looks bad?

Actually I've been wanting to talk about Penny for months since I realized he was so similar to Marmot and I wanted everyone to know that.

Also I've been trying to get him to play a game here for months and I was excited for introducing my wacky friend to my other friends here.

Yes I'm weird.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do Dragon D. Luffy and novaselinenever work as mafia teammates?

I don't like how nova just voted for Avito and left.

In our other site Avito is always getting day 1 lynched for memes so it makes sense in context there. There.

Here this vote is completely meaningless. Nobody knows Avito. Nova made and easy vote that is not particularly likely to turn into a lynch and left.

DDL had beefs with nova pretty early.

Right now I think I'm actually more likely to vote Avito instead of nova because they two have more games with each other than I have with either of them, and nova's meta read made sense.

I mean, I'm used to Avito being inactive, but he strikes me as someone who plays seriously sometimes, even if this is not common anymore.

I'd like to see @Avito actually defend himself against nova's accusation with something other than a No U vote tho.

He turned this nova/Avito dichotomy around though.

I'm looking at nova again because that "we are not going to lynch Avito anyway vote lapluie" was the most suspicious thing I read all week.

Beef: the Return

I could lynch lapluie too.

Why ?

Zero civilian credit to be found and her dismissal of her own vote is weak.

Yeah, I didn't like how she backed off of her own vote. And the reason to begin with was weak sauce. Felt forced and she just jumped on an opportunity to have a vote on the table early on.

Avito's lynch isn't happening and I don't like my vote to be meaningless, so I'll jump there. You coming ?

I hate this post.

How was Avito lynch not happening? He had like 3 votes on him at some point.

Pennywise being inactive is not his meta, but is also NAI. We will have to lynch him eventually if he doesn't show up. Doesn't have to be now, but has to be before the endgame.

I have a hard time reading Avito cuz I dont know him that much game-wise. He is pretty laid back right now but from what I know of him that is also NAI.

I suspect nova tho. Epi made a good point and I still think his lapluie vote was forced. He could have fought for it. He just came, made what looked like a joke vote, and hours later came back and joined the sexy civ wagon available.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

Cont'd

How is Jay on two votes? Tinfoil is real.

Scotty, Jack ... tell me what makes Marmot, Kyle, DDL, Wolbre, Long Con, Juliets, myself and the other one of you more civ than Jay?

Also has anyone heard from Nova?

Wait

nova is playing this game?

I hate how there are now 5 voters on Dom. Feels too easy.

Maybe [VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine instead?

This corroborates what DDL just said to me.

This turned into a lengthy argument/exchange between the two.

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nova's content about DDL covers much of the same material, so I won't repeat.

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How compatible are they as teammates? I can't dismiss bus-mania at this point, but I am feeling:

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do Dragon D. Luffy and Pennywise work as mafia teammates?

DDL makes a number of mentions of Pennywise early, but they're all meta-driven and don't reflect present reads.

Pennywise being inactive is not his meta, but is also NAI. We will have to lynch him eventually if he doesn't show up. Doesn't have to be now, but has to be before the endgame.

Here we are.

That said, we are still gambling. We don't know if Dom can be more or less civ than Penny or INH or nova. We are just reducing the damage in case we miss.

There are a number of posts like this. DDL speaks of Dom and Pennywise as if they're interchangeable, which I never agreed with (to be fair, I know Dom's tendencies but not Penny's).

[VOTE: pennywise] aubergine

This is what should have happened.

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Penny's comments are game-irrelevant.

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How compatible are they as teammates?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nova-Pen - FIRE
Marm-Pen - HOT
Marm-nova - GREEN
INH-Pen - FIRE
INH-nova - HOT
INH-Marm - GREEN
DDL-INH - HOT
DDL-Marm - GREEN
DDL-nova - GREEN
DDL-Pen - GREEN

Individual counts:

novaselinenever: 1 Fire, 1 Hot, 2 Green
Marmot: 1 Hot, 3 Green
insertnamehere: 1 Fire, 2 Hot, 1 Green
Dragon D. Luffy: 1 Hot, 3 Green
Pennywise: 2 Fire, 1 Hot, 1 Green

Transitive teams:

Pennywise, INH, and nova all fit together well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Mac
~ JJJ
~ wolbre

LC
~ JJJ
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Kyle
~ LC
~ Mac

wolbre
~ Mac
~ Kyle

Marmot
~ LC
~ wolbre

DDL
~ Kyle
~ JJJ

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The purpose of my "name 2 civilian reads" thing was to generate a cooperate POE pool of a sort. The following names appeared most often:

Kyle - 4
Mac - 4
JJJ - 3 (2 if you don't include LC's pick which was implied)
LC - 2
wolbre - 2

Every player who was named appears at least twice. I am eliminating them from today's pool. I think you should too, though you're welcome to make an exception here or there if you think you absolutely must. For example, I am not sure LC should be removed, but this has to be a team effort so I am doing it at least for now.

Removing these names left me with the others I have just finished assessing for all possible two-way interactions. It's a ham-fisted POE, but I think it can work.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Pennywise] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Come all, we must maintain our energy.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok caught up finally

I'm gonna try that "why they are a civ" game, though I don't know if you guys are still doing that too?

WHY ARE THEY A CIV?

DDL: towniest town in town
INH: his reason for disappearing is genuine. Also I think the ones who have attacked him the most recently were Wolbre and Marmot and I suspect both.
Jay: I just made a big post about it
Kyle: early Kyle did jack shit, late Kyle has been seriously trying. This is meta consistent with all the civ Kyle games I've played with, and overall he's saying a lot of stuff that I agree with.
Mac: he's all over the place and changing accusations fast, and he is usually like that I think? He's been very agreeable with me in this game, which is not what I used to, but may be a matter of perspective since we fought badly last game.
Marmot: there was one phase, (forgot which one) where he made some very civ looking posts
nova: his points on Avito made sense and looked sincere, even if they were ultimately wrong. I hate his OMGUS on me on a personal level but it totally makes sense for a civ to act like that
Pennywise: eh... 5/9 is higher than 50%?
wolbre4: he's trying hard. I like that

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Iirc the next step is to collect these lists and ask people what civ reads they were less sure about, right? Are we still gonna do that?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

JJJ
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Mac
~ JJJ
~ wolbre

LC
~ JJJ
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Kyle
~ LC
~ Mac

wolbre
~ Mac
~ Kyle

Marmot
~ LC
~ wolbre

DDL
~ Kyle
~ JJJ

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The purpose of my "name 2 civilian reads" thing was to generate a cooperate POE pool of a sort. The following names appeared most often:

Kyle - 4
Mac - 4
JJJ - 3 (2 if you don't include LC's pick which was implied)
LC - 2
wolbre - 2

Every player who was named appears at least twice. I am eliminating them from today's pool. I think you should too, though you're welcome to make an exception here or there if you think you absolutely must. For example, I am not sure LC should be removed, but this has to be a team effort so I am doing it at least for now.

Removing these names left me with the others I have just finished assessing for all possible two-way interactions. It's a ham-fisted POE, but I think it can work.

Ok.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

After all this catching up I still wanna lynch Wolbre or Marmot. Wolbre for a series of posts I didn't like, Marmot for not having a series of posts I liked. I said before he made some civ looking posts in one phase, but then he disappeared. Usually I am good at detecting civ Marmot. I'm just not seeing it this game. He's phoning it in.

So if we won't lynch Wolbre, I'm going with Marmot now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

After all this catching up I still wanna lynch Wolbre or Marmot. Wolbre for a series of posts I didn't like, Marmot for not having a series of posts I liked. I said before he made some civ looking posts in one phase, but then he disappeared. Usually I am good at detecting civ Marmot. I'm just not seeing it this game. He's phoning it in.

So if we won't lynch Wolbre, I'm going with Marmot now.

Build a team that includes Marmot.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Iirc the next step is to collect these lists and ask people what civ reads they were less sure about, right? Are we still gonna do that?

Most people did that when they posted the list. Go ahead and report that for yourself.