Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[Quin]

woah woah woah who said anything about this being my role

i've already roleclaimed

honestly i have no fuckin idea how cool the rest of the town's roles are comparatively but mine seems pretty damn cool so let me live a few days k

i'm a stump.

this is incidentally probably why nutella was vanished last night by the way

[Golden]

Golden is lawyering hard on page 20 y'all. All about that interpretation and clause, no room for creativity, what do the words say.

I think you'll find Quin is lawyering a clear answer and I'm the one leaving open the possibility that the words don't tell us everything.

I think you want me to be wrong.

I thought that's what you'd think but I don't care.

It's easily resolved

@speedchuck - is the intention of listing the factions to preclude the possibility of independents?

(I have a very specific purpose I think they're listed - it's to prevent us claiming based on our 'faction name' - which is something I expect only town and mafia have. But I could well be wrong).

[Golden]

woah woah woah who said anything about this being my role

i've already roleclaimed

honestly i have no fuckin idea how cool the rest of the town's roles are comparatively but mine seems pretty damn cool so let me live a few days k

i'm a stump.

this is incidentally probably why nutella was vanished last night by the way

If that's why she vanished that's a bastard move. That makes me sad

[Golden]

Golden is lawyering hard on page 20 y'all. All about that interpretation and clause, no room for creativity, what do the words say.

I think you'll find Quin is lawyering a clear answer and I'm the one leaving open the possibility that the words don't tell us everything.

I think you want me to be wrong.

I thought that's what you'd think but I don't care.

It's easily resolved

@speedchuck - is the intention of listing the factions to preclude the possibility of independents?

(I have a very specific purpose I think they're listed - it's to prevent us claiming based on our 'faction name' - which is something I expect only town and mafia have. But I could well be wrong).

oops

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

[Golden]

Quin, as far as I'm concerned your 'no independents' has wilfully ignored two specific questions that I've asked to get you to engage on some of the aspects of that post - I think you just want to be right

I don't actually care if you're right or wrong, I just want you to be open-minded. If you're going to be some kind of town leader in this game, then best get your head out of the clouds and be open to the possible weaknesses in your analysis or you'll lead us all to hell.

I have absolutely zero problem calling out weaknesses.

[Golden]

I'll still vote one of sig or inh today nonetheless.

[Quin]

Quin, as far as I'm concerned your 'no independents' has wilfully ignored two specific questions that I've asked to get you to engage on some of the aspects of that post - I think you just want to be right

I don't actually care if you're right or wrong, I just want you to be open-minded. If you're going to be some kind of town leader in this game, then best get your head out of the clouds and be open to the possible weaknesses in your analysis or you'll lead us all to hell.

I have absolutely zero problem calling out weaknesses.

the last thing i want to be is a town leader mate that title comes with an expectation of effort im not sure i can provide

[Quin]

im only just realising how angry the word mate sounds when slipped into a post

don't mafia with an australian guys

[Quin]

Quin, as far as I'm concerned your 'no independents' has wilfully ignored two specific questions that I've asked to get you to engage on some of the aspects of that post - I think you just want to be right

I don't actually care if you're right or wrong, I just want you to be open-minded. If you're going to be some kind of town leader in this game, then best get your head out of the clouds and be open to the possible weaknesses in your analysis or you'll lead us all to hell.

I have absolutely zero problem calling out weaknesses.

I'm happy to just wait for speedchuck to answer or not. I think we just fundamentally disagree on the matter.

In the case there are independents though, you could think of it this way instead: Both INH and sig cannot be town.

[Golden]

Quin, as far as I'm concerned your 'no independents' has wilfully ignored two specific questions that I've asked to get you to engage on some of the aspects of that post - I think you just want to be right

I don't actually care if you're right or wrong, I just want you to be open-minded. If you're going to be some kind of town leader in this game, then best get your head out of the clouds and be open to the possible weaknesses in your analysis or you'll lead us all to hell.

I have absolutely zero problem calling out weaknesses.

I'm happy to just wait for speedchuck to answer or not. I think we just fundamentally disagree on the matter.

In the case there are independents though, you could think of it this way instead: Both INH and sig cannot be town.

Yes and I still think the correct move is to lynch one, just with due care and the fullest knowledge possible.

[Golden]

im only just realising how angry the word mate sounds when slipped into a post

don't mafia with an australian guys

An Australian mafia player is no more deadly than anything else Australian.

[Quin]

i think we should lynch sig because i'm still mad nobody voted to elect me last night

[Golden]

Hey, sig...

Quin is coming for your wig.

[MacDougall]

Epi is bad.

[Golden]

I am fully blind when it comes to epi when he goes after me. Why do you think he’s bad?

[Spacedaisy]

ok so what are the proposed facts involved here?

quin says mechanically that sig and inh are not teammates

golden says mechanically or (spiritually?) that sig is not mafia

also inh is claiming that quin is pressuring him into roleclaiming, for some reason?

is this much correct?

You and I should form the Alliance of the Uninformed with Spacedaisy. What say you?

I would love this more than words express.

[MacDougall]

I am fully blind when it comes to epi when he goes after me. Why do you think he’s bad?

I have two circumstantial reasons I don't feel like sharing.

[ColinIsCool]

I feel like, if scum, Quin would have to be crazy to lie about this at the very beginning of the game. That makes me inclined to believe him. But Golden has a really good point — without flips, what are we supposed to do, lynch them both? Don’t like that.

[Turnip Head]

What do people eat in this century

[ColinIsCool]

What do people eat in this century

Turnip heads.

[Turnip Head]

I'm really glad I didn't pay attention in any history classes so I could come into this game with fresh eyes, I expect to learn so much

[Kylemii]

ok so what are the proposed facts involved here?

quin says mechanically that sig and inh are not teammates

golden says mechanically or (spiritually?) that sig is not mafia

also inh is claiming that quin is pressuring him into roleclaiming, for some reason?

is this much correct?

You and I should form the Alliance of the Uninformed with Spacedaisy. What say you?

does it cost money to join

[MacDougall]

ok so what are the proposed facts involved here?

quin says mechanically that sig and inh are not teammates

golden says mechanically or (spiritually?) that sig is not mafia

also inh is claiming that quin is pressuring him into roleclaiming, for some reason?

is this much correct?

You and I should form the Alliance of the Uninformed with Spacedaisy. What say you?

does it cost money to join

We use patreon

[ColinIsCool]

I am fully blind when it comes to epi when he goes after me. Why do you think he’s bad?

I have two circumstantial reasons I don't feel like sharing.

Can you give us a hint? Maybe what they rhyme with?

[Turnip Head]

[mention]sig[/mention] are you going to lead us through this shit or what dude. what do you have for us?

[speedchuck]

Golden is lawyering hard on page 20 y'all. All about that interpretation and clause, no room for creativity, what do the words say.

I think you'll find Quin is lawyering a clear answer and I'm the one leaving open the possibility that the words don't tell us everything.

I think you want me to be wrong.

I thought that's what you'd think but I don't care.

It's easily resolved

@speedchuck - is the intention of listing the factions to preclude the possibility of independents?

(I have a very specific purpose I think they're listed - it's to prevent us claiming based on our 'faction name' - which is something I expect only town and mafia have. But I could well be wrong).

oops

@speedchuck

You are correct.

There may be independents. I simply don't want people solving the game based on flavorful names.

[Scotty]

Hey guys, want your opinions-

How likely is it that any 2 people have the same power role in a game like this?

[ColinIsCool]

Hey guys, want your opinions-

How likely is it that any 2 people have the same power role in a game like this?

I could see some that are faction-aligned — town doc and mafia doc for example — but probably not two within a faction. Unless a bevvy of info roles is one way to make up for the lack of public reveals. Why?

[ColinIsCool]

I’m travelling back in time to before yesterday because I have the worst sunburn of my life across most of my body and I want to die.

[Turnip Head]

Hey guys, want your opinions-

How likely is it that any 2 people have the same power role in a game like this?

About as likely as running into your doppelganger

[sig]

Golden

How confident are you that sig is town?

Not particularly confident, but he does have that town feel to him.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

rude

I got a neat PM last night telling me that you and sig are unaligned.

[Scotty]

Golden

How confident are you that sig is town?

Not particularly confident, but he does have that town feel to him.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

rude

I got a neat PM last night telling me that you and sig are unaligned.

Oh so you know you and INH are on the same team?

[Scotty]

Golden

How confident are you that sig is town?

Not particularly confident, but he does have that town feel to him.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

rude

I got a neat PM last night telling me that you and sig are unaligned.

Oh so you know you and INH are on the same team?

Er...no. That doesn’t make sense. I don’t know what you mean

[ColinIsCool]

No, isn’t that what Quin is saying? “Unaligned” meaning “not the same alignment.”

[sig]

I'm not unaligned nor mafia Quin is wrong.

[sig]

No, isn’t that what Quin is saying? “Unaligned” meaning “not the same alignment.”

oh I thought unaligned = 3p/Independent.

[sig]

i think we should lynch sig because i'm still mad nobody voted to elect me last night

I'll vote for you now if you want.

[sig]

Hey, sig...

Quin is coming for your wig.

Bad quin Bad boy.


Though I agree with those who say Quin is town, don't see mafia quin doing that.

Not sure how I feel about Daisy preemptive defense about being framed through Nutella's disappearance

[sig]

@sig are you going to lead us through this shit or what dude. what do you have for us?

Nothing!

Though for real I've gotta go to the gym then I'll be back and get serious and do some real game solving.

Can't go into detail on what the Quill did, but it basically added something to one of my abilities.

My guess is each time we elect someone it either gives them an extra ability or arguments a current one. So smh y'all should've taken that election more serious last night, try to act less like American voters and more like idk voters from a responsible country.

[Epignosis]

So what Golden is saying is that sig is cleared. Got it.

[ColinIsCool]

So what Golden is saying is that sig is cleared. Got it.

Why not insertnamehere?

[Turnip Head]

[Spacedaisy]

Hey, sig...

Quin is coming for your wig.

Bad quin Bad boy.


Though I agree with those who say Quin is town, don't see mafia quin doing that.

Not sure how I feel about Daisy preemptive defense about being framed through Nutella's disappearance

If you haven’t picked up yet, I’m putting my thoughts out there fairly unfiltered. That was my immediate thought when I saw the post. Right or wrong that was my knee jerk reaction to that. Someone else pointed out it could’ve been because of her claim of having a cool role too. All I know is she went after me Day 1 and I’m not bad, so if you were in my shoes how would you view that kill?

[Turnip Head]

Just be confident in your own indisputable towniness Daisy

that's my suggestion anyways

[Turnip Head]

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] ^

[Spacedaisy]

I’m not worked up at this point. I’m waiting. There is something I want to see before I weigh in today.

[Turnip Head]

Are looking for something specific?

[Epignosis]

I’m not worked up at this point. I’m waiting. There is something I want to see before I weigh in today.

If you're waiting for me to take off my clothes, that isn't happening.

At least not for free.

[sig]

Hey, sig...

Quin is coming for your wig.

Bad quin Bad boy.


Though I agree with those who say Quin is town, don't see mafia quin doing that.

Not sure how I feel about Daisy preemptive defense about being framed through Nutella's disappearance

If you haven’t picked up yet, I’m putting my thoughts out there fairly unfiltered. That was my immediate thought when I saw the post. Right or wrong that was my knee jerk reaction to that. Someone else pointed out it could’ve been because of her claim of having a cool role too. All I know is she went after me Day 1 and I’m not bad, so if you were in my shoes how would you view that kill?

Fair point, I don't think Daisy would've ordered the hit on Nutella anyway for two reasons.

1. It would kind off frame her
2. I don't thinks it's within her character especially after she got into that spat with Nutella earlier.

So before I do some ISO and rereads my issue is this, I've got a shit ton of civ reads and leans, but nobody has done anything I find that bad.

[sig]

TH could be mafia copying his civ play from last game but I don't see it.

Mac trying to get me lynched seems townie, if I wanna tin foil he's mafia who doesn't want his team to kill me to earlier since he just spewed that as something he'd do awhile back.

Nutella/Daisy looked c/c

Golden seems civvie and he's clearing Scotty for reasons, so I'll let that rest

I'm flipflopping on INH