Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[Golden]

Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.

A moment ago you decided I knew INH was doing this. Now you seem comfortable that I 'don't believe you'.

There's not a whole lot of integrity to your current thought processes.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I don't understand why you'd raise inh's apparent 'claim' at all if you were bad. You'd have been better off just letting things play out.

But I don't understand at all why you'd lynch both one after the other on the basis that sig would be scum if you think INH is covering for being scum.

[Epignosis]

To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?

Golden.

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

You can lie detect that motherfucker to the bank.

No you can't.

[ColinIsCool]

To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?

Epignosis.

Usually I am suspicious of him from the get-go and he’s always town. I feel at ease with him right now so I’m a little concerned.

I still haven’t seen him play as scum yet either so I can’t make a super informed call here but I feel better calling Golden town than I do scum.

[Kylemii]

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

tell me why

[Epignosis]

Epignosis are you actually a doctor or were you talking shit? Because there's a bit of an elephant in the room here given Scotty seems to be counter claiming.

[MacDougall]

Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.

A moment ago you decided I knew INH was doing this. Now you seem comfortable that I 'don't believe you'.

There's not a whole lot of integrity to your current thought processes.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I don't understand why you'd raise inh's apparent 'claim' at all if you were bad. You'd have been better off just letting things play out.

But I don't understand at all why you'd lynch both one after the other on the basis that sig would be scum if you think INH is covering for being scum.

You are Jaying on Epi pretty hard right now.

[ColinIsCool]

Am I wrong to think INH is not claiming or slipping indie in that post? I interpreted it as “I could tell you my role but then I’d be a goner” but I can’t figure out what exactly he meant.

He specifically said "I'm not a threat to the townies".

When has a civilian ever said that?

I took that to mean “because I am one.” I dunno.

[MacDougall]

Am I wrong to think INH is not claiming or slipping indie in that post? I interpreted it as “I could tell you my role but then I’d be a goner” but I can’t figure out what exactly he meant.

He specifically said "I'm not a threat to the townies".

When has a civilian ever said that?

I took that to mean “because I am one.” I dunno.

Did you really? Would he not have just said "I am one" as opposed to "I am not a threat to them".

Nah dog. Nah.

[Golden]

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

tell me why

Well I'm not bad so it would be illogical to have an explanation for this other than it's the fact it would come back as true.

[Epignosis]

Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.

A moment ago you decided I knew INH was doing this. Now you seem comfortable that I 'don't believe you'.

There's not a whole lot of integrity to your current thought processes.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I don't understand why you'd raise inh's apparent 'claim' at all if you were bad. You'd have been better off just letting things play out.

But I don't understand at all why you'd lynch both one after the other on the basis that sig would be scum if you think INH is covering for being scum.

You don't need to understand me.

[Golden]

Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.

A moment ago you decided I knew INH was doing this. Now you seem comfortable that I 'don't believe you'.

There's not a whole lot of integrity to your current thought processes.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I don't understand why you'd raise inh's apparent 'claim' at all if you were bad. You'd have been better off just letting things play out.

But I don't understand at all why you'd lynch both one after the other on the basis that sig would be scum if you think INH is covering for being scum.

You are Jaying on Epi pretty hard right now.

Explain.

PS why you outing scotty like that

[Epignosis]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

[Kylemii]

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

tell me why

Well I'm not bad so it would be illogical to have an explanation for this other than it's the fact it would come back as true.

why would quin's badness be a function of yours

[ColinIsCool]

Am I wrong to think INH is not claiming or slipping indie in that post? I interpreted it as “I could tell you my role but then I’d be a goner” but I can’t figure out what exactly he meant.

He specifically said "I'm not a threat to the townies".

When has a civilian ever said that?

I took that to mean “because I am one.” I dunno.

Did you really? Would he not have just said "I am one" as opposed to "I am not a threat to them".

Nah dog. Nah.

I mean, I guess. That’s a pretty blatant slip though when he can just pretend to be town you know?

Everything about this just got 10 times more complicated and I don’t like it

[Quin]

More fuel for the INH is indy fire:

He didn't realise mafia get fake claims because he isn't mafia.

[MacDougall]

Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.

A moment ago you decided I knew INH was doing this. Now you seem comfortable that I 'don't believe you'.

There's not a whole lot of integrity to your current thought processes.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I don't understand why you'd raise inh's apparent 'claim' at all if you were bad. You'd have been better off just letting things play out.

But I don't understand at all why you'd lynch both one after the other on the basis that sig would be scum if you think INH is covering for being scum.

You are Jaying on Epi pretty hard right now.

Explain.

PS why you outing scotty like that

Dude, Scotty put it out there. I am sure there are civilians that didn't see it but you can bet your ass all the scum know so it's better to just inform everyone point blank at this point.

Also, Jay and Epi do this every time they play when they are civ/civ. You are just playing the role of Jay right now.

[Golden]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

[Golden]

Scotty is both town and doctor.

[Epignosis]

More fuel for the INH is indy fire:

He didn't realise mafia get fake claims because he isn't mafia.

I don't buy that shit for a minute.

[Quin]

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

tell me why

Well I'm not bad so it would be illogical to have an explanation for this other than it's the fact it would come back as true.

Posts written as hypotheticals might not be checkable. So I'll help out.

I am bad and Golden is my teammate.

[MacDougall]

More fuel for the INH is indy fire:

He didn't realise mafia get fake claims because he isn't mafia.

So how does that work for sig given ...

OH WAIT

Did Speed ever say mafia would get fake flavor?

OH WAIT

Did Speed ever say mafia would get fake flavor?

Nevermind he did I just didn't read the rules.

Does this mean sig is confirmed not scum?

[ColinIsCool]

I thought Scotty was claiming but he didn’t take action against Epignosis either.

[Epignosis]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

[Golden]

Also, Jay and Epi do this every time they play when they are civ/civ. You are just playing the role of Jay right now.

I do it every time epi and I are both civ too lol.

But not every time I do it is epi civ.

[Quin]

More fuel for the INH is indy fire:

He didn't realise mafia get fake claims because he isn't mafia.

So how does that work for sig given ...

OH WAIT

Did Speed ever say mafia would get fake flavor?

OH WAIT

Did Speed ever say mafia would get fake flavor?

Nevermind he did I just didn't read the rules.

Does this mean sig is confirmed not scum?

Maybe they're both unaffiliated independents.

[Golden]

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

tell me why

Well I'm not bad so it would be illogical to have an explanation for this other than it's the fact it would come back as true.

why would quin's badness be a function of yours

It isn't a function of mine because I'm not bad and I'm pretty sure Quin isn't either.

[MacDougall]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

I do question the statement. Why do you think he's not a doctor?

I also now suspicious of how Epi has gradually backtracked from his "claim" when Scotty counter claimed to his most recent *shrug* when I asked if he is a doctor and whether we should let him get away with what seems most likely to be a fake claim that has backfired?

[Epignosis]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

I do question the statement. Why do you think he's not a doctor?

I also now suspicious of how Epi has gradually backtracked from his "claim" when Scotty counter claimed to his most recent *shrug* when I asked if he is a doctor and whether we should let him get away with what seems most likely to be a fake claim that has backfired?

What was my motive for claiming as I did and when I did?

[Golden]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

I do question the statement. Why do you think he's not a doctor?

I also now suspicious of how Epi has gradually backtracked from his "claim" when Scotty counter claimed to his most recent *shrug* when I asked if he is a doctor and whether we should let him get away with what seems most likely to be a fake claim that has backfired?

What was my motive for claiming as I did and when I did?

Diluting the target on other players backs.

Seemed pretty sound to me in the moment.

[Golden]

Other than the fact that target painting is bullshit in the first place.

[MacDougall]

Scotty isn't a doctor.

Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

This is absolutely 100% a false statement.

I do question the statement. Why do you think he's not a doctor?

I also now suspicious of how Epi has gradually backtracked from his "claim" when Scotty counter claimed to his most recent *shrug* when I asked if he is a doctor and whether we should let him get away with what seems most likely to be a fake claim that has backfired?

What was my motive for claiming as I did and when I did?

1. You need not have a motive for random behaviour in the early game. You're epi.
2. If you need one, it could be as simple as luring out a counter claim

[Turnip Head]

I'm on a bender right now gang and let me tell you it is fucking glorious

I've given in to the inevitability of our defeat in a world where someone other than myself is in charge of the laws of time, on like a personal level we should all feel this to be true

And so I sit here shitfaced waiting for this existence to be wiped clean by the oppressors

Tell me I am wrong to do this

[Turnip Head]

I just linkid everyone

[Golden]

There's no reason to presume epi's claim is false for certain. Juliets was the 'backup doctor' in Phenon after all.

[Kylemii]

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

tell me why

Well I'm not bad so it would be illogical to have an explanation for this other than it's the fact it would come back as true.

why would quin's badness be a function of yours

It isn't a function of mine because I'm not bad and I'm pretty sure Quin isn't either.

but why would you being bad mean that quin is also necessarily bad? what's the link?

[MacDougall]

I'm on a bender right now gang and let me tell you it is fucking glorious

I've given in to the inevitability of our defeat in a world where someone other than myself is in charge of the laws of time, on like a personal level we should all feel this to be true

And so I sit here shitfaced waiting for this existence to be wiped clean by the oppressors

Tell me I am wrong to do this

You are wrong to do this because we are all just different variations of each other in separate timelines

[Lunalee]

Scotty is both town and doctor.

How are you so sure of that?

[MacDougall]

Epi are you a doctor, or The Doctor?

[Epignosis]

Epi are you a doctor, or The Doctor?

Bend over and reach me that box of gloves honey and I'll show you.

[MacDougall]

I'm going to just say it because it'll make for more fun.

I'm also a doctor.

[Golden]

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

tell me why

Well I'm not bad so it would be illogical to have an explanation for this other than it's the fact it would come back as true.

why would quin's badness be a function of yours

It isn't a function of mine because I'm not bad and I'm pretty sure Quin isn't either.

but why would you being bad mean that quin is also necessarily bad? what's the link?

Kyle, stop trying to read rational meaning into something that I intended to be patently incorrect.

[MacDougall]

Hands up if you're a doctor?

[Quin]

Hands up if you're a doctor?

I'm a stump.

[Golden]

Scotty is both town and doctor.

How are you so sure of that?

My entire role was literally 'find scotty', I just didn't know it was scotty, until I did.

[Golden]

I am definitely not a doctor.

[Epignosis]

Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

[MacDougall]

Scotty is both town and doctor.

How are you so sure of that?

My entire role was literally 'find scotty', I just didn't know it was scotty, until I did.

Scotty is literally Scotty from Star Trek?

[MacDougall]

Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

Turnip Head for aforementioned reasons.

[Golden]

Scotty is both town and doctor.

How are you so sure of that?

My entire role was literally 'find scotty', I just didn't know it was scotty, until I did.

Scotty is literally Scotty from Star Trek?

The engines cannae take that kind o' pressure, capt'n.

[Golden]

Let's do something more fun.

sig and INH are Booker DeWitt and Comstock. That is to say, both have been swept away by the Luteces. They're not here.

Who gets your vote and why?

Epignosis
Choutas
Lapluie
Kylemii
Lunalee

or maybe Colin because I keep tinfoiling him.