speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:22 am
. . . Golden probably wouldn't play this game any differently than he is right now. If scum, that is.
>list
This list is not fair to Golden, sure. He'd say that if I didn't. But just off the top of my head, I could see Golden being scum. It's very possible.
Yes it is unfair, because it plays the hindsight game and ascribes motives to a lot of things where you can do the opposite. There's also plenty here I can't really say whether it's accurate (like, say, C, where I did try to pick all townies but I don't know whether I'm right or not). Lastly there's things (like what I've done with captaincy generally) that I think you're right I would do exactly the same as scum.
>stuff
Having said all of this...
I like the angle in which you've broken this down, I think that despite being unfair it's effective, and I'd like to see you keep using it for others. It forces people to defend their actions and motives somewhat.
I appreciate your meta insight and feedback.
The point of the post was not, of course, to make you out to be scum. It was to see if it was possible. And it is. Especially if others are handling the kills, and such.
23 player game with a SK (22 players left) Means we're comfortably looking at a 4 person Mafia team, yeah?
SQ
DDL
INH/GOLDEN/ENRIQUE
Possibly Sig or Lap
Fuckin' case closed lads.
Golden
I saw. For me it's a big at this point.
DDL and INH are among the people I've had town vibes from and I know I'm town.
Where would Marmot and Wilgy have landed in this same exercise?
DDL recently played in AssClass as scum. IF you get any time, you should breeze through his posts there and see what's up. I plan to. He posted a lot there, managed to fool JJJ for a whole game, and ZERO of his team was lynched.
Marmot: No mention of SQ, no vote on SQ, no posts Day 2 or 3.
Teammate-o-Meter Rating: I'd honestly go 30-45% on this. Not a lot to work with RE: The SQ lynch and the SQ suspicion. If I didn't know Marmot was a civ I'd leave the door open for SQ getting fucked on by an absentee partner
SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:06 pm
Only because I think turnabout is fair play, I've already selected a couple of choice people as Captain's because well. Yeah. They torture me on a regular basis. And a random person because why not. Time to get down to business...
Being captain is a good thing though. You get to make decisions and stuff.
Oh and, hi SokothQultuq. I don't believed we've mafia-ed together before.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:39 pm
I hate this 3 way tie, and am tempted to move my vote to Sokoth, but I don't know the case against them.
Voted for SQ: At some point. I don't fuckin' know man.
Teammate-o-Meter Rating: I'd rate Luna pretty low here, 15-20% tops? The whole "Hi Sokoth!" post has an air of ruse to it, and the last quote there reads like "I know Sokoth is going to flip bad and I'd rather not put my vote there but I also want you guys to know I suspect Sokoth in case he flips bad" But the poll record shows she did vote for him in the end. Just not sure if it was before or after the die was cast off the top of my head.
SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm
You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.
I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
I've gotten this far in my reading.
I'm moving my vote to DrWilgy.
I honestly didn't suspect DrWilgy when I put him on the poll, but seeing Sokoth's post sort of changes my mind. I'm going to [VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
I take that back I would rate Luna much higher, probably 55-65 percent.
Although again, look at the slightly broader picture, SQ chose to vote for Luna to try and save himself, not Wilgy. Luna chose ultimately to vote for SQ. That bumps her down again to maybe a 30%.
SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm
You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.
I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
I've gotten this far in my reading.
I'm moving my vote to DrWilgy.
I honestly didn't suspect DrWilgy when I put him on the poll, but seeing Sokoth's post sort of changes my mind. I'm going to [VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
I take that back I would rate Luna much higher, probably 55-65 percent.
SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm
You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.
I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
I've gotten this far in my reading.
I'm moving my vote to DrWilgy.
I honestly didn't suspect DrWilgy when I put him on the poll, but seeing Sokoth's post sort of changes my mind. I'm going to [VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
I take that back I would rate Luna much higher, probably 55-65 percent.
you know I died and flipped town, right?
THATS FUNNY BECAUSE DEAD PEOPLE CANT POST ON TOPIC
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To any *living* players who are curious: Its a thought exercise. I'm being fair to my rating system like Chuck asked me to do.
SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm
You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.
I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
I've gotten this far in my reading.
I'm moving my vote to DrWilgy.
I honestly didn't suspect DrWilgy when I put him on the poll, but seeing Sokoth's post sort of changes my mind. I'm going to [VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
I take that back I would rate Luna much higher, probably 55-65 percent.
you know I died and flipped town, right?
edit: I was night killed by mafia. But same difference.
Look at his posts if you want deets. Yeet. They aren't hard to find.
I'm actually pretty cool with this list as it stands. DH is substantiating things as he goes, and I agree with most his assessments.
Glorf should be 0%, though, and I dunno how he's quantifying the SK.
If I had to be Bill Nye the Science Guy and knock out a high scoring player I think could be a civ, and add a low scoring player I feel could be a teammate:
Knock off INH, Add TH or DF (Though the DF thing, him leaving for however many days, then coming back and dialing on SQ, I'm meh on that)
Sorry, I fell asleep! I've read DDL and dipped into the thread in some other places and now I'm interested in finding out about Golden. Did he resign his captaincy? Why? Nut and TH, why are you suspicious of him? (I just can't bear to look at his iso right now as I know it will be long)
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pmAlways good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:44 pm
Sorry, I fell asleep! I've read DDL and dipped into the thread in some other places and now I'm interested in finding out about Golden. Did he resign his captaincy? Why? Nut and TH, why are you suspicious of him? (I just can't bear to look at his iso right now as I know it will be long)
He resigned and fired his whole crew because Mac memed him pretty hard
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:44 pm
Sorry, I fell asleep! I've read DDL and dipped into the thread in some other places and now I'm interested in finding out about Golden. Did he resign his captaincy? Why? Nut and TH, why are you suspicious of him? (I just can't bear to look at his iso right now as I know it will be long)
He resigned and fired his whole crew because Mac memed him pretty hard
[mention]juliets[/mention] People were critical of the way Golden handled his crew for days. Then Mac came in and reopened the can of beanworms. Golden got frustrated with people critiquing his game philosophy and self-destructed his position, handing it to Mac.
Who then was critiqued to the point of screaming frustration.
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:44 pm
Sorry, I fell asleep! I've read DDL and dipped into the thread in some other places and now I'm interested in finding out about Golden. Did he resign his captaincy? Why? Nut and TH, why are you suspicious of him? (I just can't bear to look at his iso right now as I know it will be long)
He resigned and fired his whole crew because Mac memed him pretty hard
Oh wow. I don't really understand why he would resign and fire his crew because of Mac but I guess I should read Mac to see just what was said and decide whether his reaction seems town or scum. Also, that reminds me of King Arthur on Rev when he was badgered by some people who suspected him so he asked everyone to vote for him for the lynch - and then he turned out to be King Arthur, the biggest civ in the game.
Thanks DH - and thanks speed, that really helps me understand it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pmAlways good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:44 pm
Sorry, I fell asleep! I've read DDL and dipped into the thread in some other places and now I'm interested in finding out about Golden. Did he resign his captaincy? Why? Nut and TH, why are you suspicious of him? (I just can't bear to look at his iso right now as I know it will be long)
He resigned and fired his whole crew because Mac memed him pretty hard
Oh wow. I don't really understand why he would resign and fire his crew because of Mac but I guess I should read Mac to see just what was said and decide whether his reaction seems town or scum. Also, that reminds me of King Arthur on Rev when he was badgered by some people who suspected him so he asked everyone to vote for him for the lynch - and then he turned out to be King Arthur, the biggest civ in the game.
Thanks DH - and thanks speed, that really helps me understand it.
Mac was more of a final straw. It had been happening throughout the game from various people, but he was the one extra person that tipped me over the edge.
@s[mention]speedchuck[/mention] From my observation the consensus all game so far has been that you are Town. May I please ask you (or anyone else for that matter) to elaborate for me the grounds upon which this assumption is based? Thank you.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Glorfindel is always nicer than a puppy.
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:07 pmQuestion without prejudice:
speedchuck From my observation the consensus all game so far has been that you are Town. May I please ask you (or anyone else for that matter) to elaborate for me the grounds upon which this assumption is based? Thank you.
I'm assuming nothing. I got the role card from Daisy and then have played as normal from there. I have not concerned myself with my appearance. You can pass the question on to DH, Golden, or whoever.
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:07 pmQuestion without prejudice:
@s@speedchuck From my observation the consensus all game so far has been that you are Town. May I please ask you (or anyone else for that matter) to elaborate for me the grounds upon which this assumption is based? Thank you.
I for one have not had this assumption. It is interesting that that is your perception though.
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:07 pmQuestion without prejudice:
@s@speedchuck From my observation the consensus all game so far has been that you are Town. May I please ask you (or anyone else for that matter) to elaborate for me the grounds upon which this assumption is based? Thank you.
I for one have not had this assumption. It is interesting that that is your perception though.
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:07 pmQuestion without prejudice:
@s@speedchuck From my observation the consensus all game so far has been that you are Town. May I please ask you (or anyone else for that matter) to elaborate for me the grounds upon which this assumption is based? Thank you.
Well I did just suggest he’s the third party
From my perspective it’s a read rather than an assumption. I can’t iso on my phone and the site is now blocked at work so it’s hard for me to provide a list of grounds. But that post he aimed at me recently is a good example of why I read him that way. He’s considering angles and looking for motives. That’s town stuff.
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:07 pmQuestion without prejudice:
@s@speedchuck From my observation the consensus all game so far has been that you are Town. May I please ask you (or anyone else for that matter) to elaborate for me the grounds upon which this assumption is based? Thank you.
Well I did just suggest he’s the third party
From my perspective it’s a read rather than an assumption. I can’t iso on my phone and the site is now blocked at work so it’s hard for me to provide a list of grounds. But that post he aimed at me recently is a good example of why I read him that way. He’s considering angles and looking for motives. That’s town stuff.
Okay so why do you say third party then, is that supposed to show you're Indy hunting or something?
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:07 pmQuestion without prejudice:
@s@speedchuck From my observation the consensus all game so far has been that you are Town. May I please ask you (or anyone else for that matter) to elaborate for me the grounds upon which this assumption is based? Thank you.
Well I did just suggest he’s the third party
From my perspective it’s a read rather than an assumption. I can’t iso on my phone and the site is now blocked at work so it’s hard for me to provide a list of grounds. But that post he aimed at me recently is a good example of why I read him that way. He’s considering angles and looking for motives. That’s town stuff.
Okay so why do you say third party then, is that supposed to show you're Indy hunting or something?
Quite the opposite. I think if people see something off about speedchuck that could explain it, and I don’t think he’s a threat to the town.
I know what you’re getting at TH, but it’s another false equivalence. I never claimed to be third party hunting you last game, I claimed to be baddie hunting you. It was only after the game I said I believed you were Ramses.
Every time you’re disingenuous with the Courage stuff it reminds me of why I think you’re bad. You can’t resist an opportunity to remind other people of some perceived similarity with my game there, even when it’s false.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:05 am
I'm for lynching Enrique over DDL for a few reasons. DDL has been in bad places and said some scummy things, but he seems pretty genuine about what he does. He's one of the highest posters in this game, which is difficult to do as scum.
Golden 380
DharmaHelper 333
Dragon D. Luffy 313
MacDougall 288
Turnip Head 207
speedchuck 163
Epignosis 157
novaselinenever 149
Enrique 134
nutella 111
Lunalee 93
Spacedaisy 85
ColinIsCool 75
Glorfindel 69
Owner of a Lonely Heart 63
Kylemii 53
DrWilgy 43
insertnamehere 40
SokothQultuq 28
Marmot 24
DFaraday 21
sig 20
Quin 9
lapluie 1
Soneji 1
...
I don't know. Take JJJ out of the question, and I guess it's not that different. @MacDougall was in assclass, I'm curious to whether he sees any parallels.
I was Mafia in that game too. We pretty much just never had any pressure ... hard to say.
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:33 pm
I know what you’re getting at TH, but it’s another false equivalence. I never claimed to be third party hunting you last game, I claimed to be baddie hunting you. It was only after the game I said I believed you were Ramses.
What does this even mean though? Fully explain this.
Because it sounds like you thought he was a baddie that wasn't the single 3P?
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:33 pm
I know what you’re getting at TH, but it’s another false equivalence. I never claimed to be third party hunting you last game, I claimed to be baddie hunting you. It was only after the game I said I believed you were Ramses.
What does this even mean though? Fully explain this.
Because it sounds like you thought he was a baddie that wasn't the single 3P?
No, in that game I was bad and thought TH was 3P. But in the thread I said I thought he was bad. My hunting of him was genuine but I didn’t admit it was 3P hunting. He’s just taking a sly dig at me saying you’re 3P and accusing me of doing the same thing I did there but in fact he’s best placed to know I’m not doing the same thing.
My point, speed, is he keeps trying to remind people of Courage when it comes to what I post without any apparent care about accuracy. He’s more interested in how he can make me look than whether he’s accurately seeing the same behaviour.
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:33 pm
I know what you’re getting at TH, but it’s another false equivalence. I never claimed to be third party hunting you last game, I claimed to be baddie hunting you. It was only after the game I said I believed you were Ramses.
What does this even mean though? Fully explain this.
Because it sounds like you thought he was a baddie that wasn't the single 3P?
No, in that game I was bad and thought TH was 3P. But in the thread I said I thought he was bad. My hunting of him was genuine but I didn’t admit it was 3P hunting. He’s just taking a sly dig at me saying you’re 3P and accusing me of doing the same thing I did there but in fact he’s best placed to know I’m not doing the same thing.
Ah, it's about what you claimed rather than the action, gotcha
I'm tired. I've read a lot of Mac and I found myself saying "good point" a lot during that read. I haven't come to the point where he's overcome with frustration that someone mentioned above but based on what I've read I'm ready to call him town. After I finish Mac I will go to Enrique but I'm probably not going to do that tonight. I'll do some reading before work tomorrow.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pmAlways good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
If I'm still alive this time next week, you should know that Mondays are very tough for me. Just got home and caught up. I don't have it in me to write a lot right now but juliets you should know I'm good and definitely read my posts and not just what Mac/DDL/Golden say about them because they're completely different things.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:12 pm
Yeah I mean I'm suspicious of Enrique but don't have much to say about it, he seems snappy and opportunistic >
Okay, Turnip Head. I've only been arguing against most of the thread for the whole game after all.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:46 pm
Frankly I'm kinda discouraged. I feel like every major presence in this game has cases on people like DDL, Enrique, or INH, but none of them have been stated concisely. Everyone argues about the stupid ships instead of discussing the cases. I'm busy enough with work that I can't dive into everyone's ISOs and pick it up.
And then I'm pretty certain that one of Mac, Golden, DH, and Epi is scum. If not two.
Due to nightkill analysis.
linki: Make me a captain. I'd take a dump on the pressure and critique.
I hereby commit to posting the big one on DDL tonight or more likely tomorrow. I've had him nailed from Day 1 and now that he's finally back on the poll it'd be a huge mistake to let him go.
I would've been the last person I picked because I may actually get lynched when today should be the day we get DDL instead, so there's that. I'm not sure why you picked me and I thought we were on a sort of similar wavelength but apparently not.
DFaraday. Golden made a good post about how he may have felt "caught" after Mac guaranteed us he was bad, when he just straight up left for the rest of the day right until it was time to save himself. He's actually been in the game and apparently keeping up from the start but with big gaps between posts. I think that period when he went missing only to come back and nail Sokoth doesn't absolve him at all, Sokoth's freakout was pretty bad and I think DF had the good instinct to know that he would be lynched over it. The player pool is getting smaller and I think there's a very good chance this guy is one of the ones we're looking for.
inh had that defense of Sokoth but I think he had to have known he would be lynched, right? He also said to us on the ship that Sokoth left him money, which is... pretty awkward to navigate around, especially since he decided to tell us two days after SQ was gone. He was absent all of Day 4 until right after the poll closed, even though I saw him reading the thread several times before that. I had a pretty good read on him early in the game but I don't really know what he's up to now, he's not really scumhunting or doing anything noteworthy.
If you had chosen yourself you would've been the least likely to get lynched, but especially given that we didn't know who else would be on the poll that's not so great. You had no reason to shield us so on the one hand I'm glad you didn't but on the other, why me lol.
So I wouldn't have minded either crewmate besides us but my answer is DF.
at this point.
Thanks
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Fiddler on the Roof
Okay, Turnip Head. I've only been arguing against most of the thread for the whole game after all.
