Firefly, The Game [GAME OVER]

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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:11 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:06 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:05 pm Right now, DDL is more convincing to me than Golden and TH combined.

I'm moving my vote to Golden, who believes I am bad 75% of the time. :shifty:
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My biggest thing right now is how Golden talked a heap about not being able to talk a help when he is bad. If he is bad with TH, and they fuss it out, making a public spectacle, then most of Golden's posts are bullshit infighting that he is comfortable knowing is bullshit. We've already seen this team distance like mad. And why did Golden switch from TH to Enrique?

DDL has said more foolish things in this game than I have ever seen. It's like his toes are so delicious, he can't help but stick his foot in just one more time.

He looks like he's trying to figure things out even at the expense of looking like he's bad.

Golden and TH are hanging in the background. Golden is not being honest in his dealings with me (he says they're incomplete, and that's fine, but anybody who gives a damn at this point should know my very first suspect was DDL, and I went after him hard, and then backed off after a while). He's doing busy work. He doesn't care who is really bad. I think DDL does.
This is complete bullshit.

It’s incomplete because I haven’t read your iso yet.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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DDL, Golden, TH

Two of these are bad.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:22 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:17 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:16 pm
But I’ve realised I have limited time to contribute for the remainder of this day period so I’m not interested in doing what you ask right now... I’d rather figure out who I think is bad. If TH ends up lynched and is bad, and I’m alive tomorrow, I can focus on why I’m not bad then. One thing at a time.
Read: I know TH will show up bad.
No. Read: DDLs theory is that TH and I are bad together.
If you are not bad, it needs to be demonstrated to-fucking-day. Just as I did. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed. The fact that you are like, "Eh, TH now and we'll go from there" is not acceptable.
1) that’s not what I said
2) I’ll contribute, just not while im at fucking work, get it? I started last night. I’ll do more tonight. You get the part of me that’s available to work hard when it’s absilable.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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I’m not ready to vote for anyone yet.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:22 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:17 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:16 pm
But I’ve realised I have limited time to contribute for the remainder of this day period so I’m not interested in doing what you ask right now... I’d rather figure out who I think is bad. If TH ends up lynched and is bad, and I’m alive tomorrow, I can focus on why I’m not bad then. One thing at a time.
Read: I know TH will show up bad.
No. Read: DDLs theory is that TH and I are bad together.
If you are not bad, it needs to be demonstrated to-fucking-day. Just as I did. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed. The fact that you are like, "Eh, TH now and we'll go from there" is not acceptable.
1) that’s not what I said
2) I’ll contribute, just not while im at fucking work, get it? I started last night. I’ll do more tonight. You get the part of me that’s available to work hard when it’s absilable.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:27 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:22 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:17 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:16 pm
But I’ve realised I have limited time to contribute for the remainder of this day period so I’m not interested in doing what you ask right now... I’d rather figure out who I think is bad. If TH ends up lynched and is bad, and I’m alive tomorrow, I can focus on why I’m not bad then. One thing at a time.
Read: I know TH will show up bad.
No. Read: DDLs theory is that TH and I are bad together.
If you are not bad, it needs to be demonstrated to-fucking-day. Just as I did. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed. The fact that you are like, "Eh, TH now and we'll go from there" is not acceptable.
1) that’s not what I said
2) I’ll contribute, just not while im at fucking work, get it? I started last night. I’ll do more tonight. You get the part of me that’s available to work hard when it’s absilable.
Nope. You don't understand my argument. But carry on. You do what you need to do in this Day phase. Convince me you are a civilian.
I’m not interested in convincing you of anything. I’m only interested in figuring out who is bad.

And of course, poor epi the misunderstood. You understand me perfectly, I just don’t understand you.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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I understood you perfectly. You’re just choosing to take an interpretation that isn’t correct.

On that note - I’m out for quite a few hours. When I get back I’ll iso epi.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:27 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:22 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:17 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:16 pm
But I’ve realised I have limited time to contribute for the remainder of this day period so I’m not interested in doing what you ask right now... I’d rather figure out who I think is bad. If TH ends up lynched and is bad, and I’m alive tomorrow, I can focus on why I’m not bad then. One thing at a time.
Read: I know TH will show up bad.
No. Read: DDLs theory is that TH and I are bad together.
If you are not bad, it needs to be demonstrated to-fucking-day. Just as I did. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed. The fact that you are like, "Eh, TH now and we'll go from there" is not acceptable.
1) that’s not what I said
2) I’ll contribute, just not while im at fucking work, get it? I started last night. I’ll do more tonight. You get the part of me that’s available to work hard when it’s absilable.
Nope. You don't understand my argument. But carry on. You do what you need to do in this Day phase. Convince me you are a civilian.
I’m not interested in convincing you of anything. I’m only interested in figuring out who is bad.

And of course, poor epi the misunderstood. You understand me perfectly, I just don’t understand you.
Bullshit. You spent most of your time carrying on with TH. Civilians don't win at the last Day. They win over time. You have spent so much of your time trying to argue that TH is bad.

Now it's Endgame, and you won't even vote TH. you're "only interested in figuring out who is bad."

What, you didn't figure that out already?

Why aren't you lynching your pet at this point?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:29 pm I understood you perfectly. You’re just choosing to take an interpretation that isn’t correct.

On that note - I’m out for quite a few hours. When I get back I’ll iso epi.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:32 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:27 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:22 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:17 pm

Read: I know TH will show up bad.
No. Read: DDLs theory is that TH and I are bad together.
If you are not bad, it needs to be demonstrated to-fucking-day. Just as I did. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed. The fact that you are like, "Eh, TH now and we'll go from there" is not acceptable.
1) that’s not what I said
2) I’ll contribute, just not while im at fucking work, get it? I started last night. I’ll do more tonight. You get the part of me that’s available to work hard when it’s absilable.
Nope. You don't understand my argument. But carry on. You do what you need to do in this Day phase. Convince me you are a civilian.
I’m not interested in convincing you of anything. I’m only interested in figuring out who is bad.

And of course, poor epi the misunderstood. You understand me perfectly, I just don’t understand you.
Bullshit. You spent most of your time carrying on with TH. Civilians don't win at the last Day. They win over time. You have spent so much of your time trying to argue that TH is bad.

Now it's Endgame, and you won't even vote TH. you're "only interested in figuring out who is bad."

What, you didn't figure that out already?

Why aren't you lynching your pet at this point?
Have you even read my posts?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:32 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:27 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:22 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:19 pm

No. Read: DDLs theory is that TH and I are bad together.
If you are not bad, it needs to be demonstrated to-fucking-day. Just as I did. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed. The fact that you are like, "Eh, TH now and we'll go from there" is not acceptable.
1) that’s not what I said
2) I’ll contribute, just not while im at fucking work, get it? I started last night. I’ll do more tonight. You get the part of me that’s available to work hard when it’s absilable.
Nope. You don't understand my argument. But carry on. You do what you need to do in this Day phase. Convince me you are a civilian.
I’m not interested in convincing you of anything. I’m only interested in figuring out who is bad.

And of course, poor epi the misunderstood. You understand me perfectly, I just don’t understand you.
Bullshit. You spent most of your time carrying on with TH. Civilians don't win at the last Day. They win over time. You have spent so much of your time trying to argue that TH is bad.

Now it's Endgame, and you won't even vote TH. you're "only interested in figuring out who is bad."

What, you didn't figure that out already?

Why aren't you lynching your pet at this point?
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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:01 pm I'm moving my vote to DDL, who likes my points, but still thinks I'm bad. :rolleyes:
Funny how you claim to read every post yet apparently ignored the whole page where I analyse the probability of each person being bad.
I haven't ignored anything. I've read everything. I read where you liked my points but still have your vote on me. Get your vote off me, and then we talk.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Next person asks me if I don't read I'm bout to cap they ass.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Yes Golden, if you are a civilian, and you want to win, your primary objective right the fuck now is convincing your dad Skeletor that you are good. If you can accomplish that, it exposes the rest of the mafia, whether you like that or not.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 2]

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Golden wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:40 pm Unfortunately, my work pc has decided to block the syndicate today. Hopefully it isn’t permanent.

I’ve done what I can, a flick back. Not a deep dive.

I don’t like a DDL lynch
Unless they’re bad together, speeds read of Luna is meaningful to me. It doesn’t matter what his alignment is, he’d want to read her as accurately as possible to avoid suspicion from her. So I don’t love a Luna lynch.

I’d like it to go elsewhere. Wilgy and TH are still my primary choices. Wilgy isn’t really around, but I disliked his day one. His approach to me felt forced and fake. He said he felt I should be collaborating with him to solve the game... but I don’t see that kind of wilgy at all here. But I don’t love voting him in his absence either. TH isn’t really in the starting blocks.

Sokoth engages with both sides of the me/nova argument and I can see the case here. He approached the situation with a mindset that approached assuming it was wolf/town. This makes sense of nova is actually bad; but it also makes sense if he was setting up a false dilemma. But I don’t feel informed here and haven’t found real time to go do the iso.

In the end my vote is a matter of degrees. I’ll use it against someone I have suspicions on... wilgy, Sokoth or TH... but probably just as much in protection of lynches I’m not on board with.
Golden wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:42 pm It’s wilgy for now, but even as I was typing I see Sokoth is in the lead, which makes me feel much more relaxed than I was before.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:38 pm Next person asks me if I don't read I'm bout to cap they ass.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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DharmaHelper wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:38 pm Next person asks me if I don't read I'm bout to cap they ass.
I'll take "What Mr. Brown Overhears in the Cafeteria During Lunch Duty" for 200
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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I'm going to bed.

Lynch you all in the morning.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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DharmaHelper wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:06 am Really on my hustle tryina get that "Funniest Post" Socky.
Nah. The juliets is fucking Glorf has to get it.

Try again next year.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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For real. Bed and work. Off I go. Toodles.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Epignosis wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:08 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:06 am Really on my hustle tryina get that "Funniest Post" Socky.
Nah. The juliets is fucking Glorf has to get it.

Try again next year.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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So I've had one of the most stressful days of my life generally - the ten minutes I had to check in today was it. It's now 11pm and I just got home and I'm exhausted and still have work I have to do. And I got in trouble for not meeting timeframes on things. So participating in here substantially today was just not meant to be.

For these reasons, my next couple of posts are just going to be blunt as fuck.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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I am absolutely town and there are many indicators people can use to see this if they try. The thing that most pissed me off today is this:
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:47 pm I don't really give a toss about your post count.
Epi, your whole post today for why you were good is a meta argument. "You have to believe these four things" you say. It's a point well made, but to then say that you don't give a fuck about meta... I'm sorry, but you do. You're choosing not to.

So, in your style, here's what you have to believe to believe I'm bad:

1) You have to believe I have one of my highest post counts ever on TS (second only to Bullets over Broadway I believe) when I am bad, despite the fact that: a) my baddie post counts are universally lower and b) I haven't even been able to post on my work pc, meaning that I've had to phone post for 90% of the posts.

And btw, you excuse this by just saying I'm making up shit about a teammate and that accounts for all the posts. This couldn't be further from the truth and it's incredibly reductive to the effort I've put in all game.

2) You have to believe I've hard bussed a teammate from day zero. That's how long I've seen TH as bad - since all of the voting shenanigans that it felt like were intended to keep me out of captaincy. There was not a moment in this game when I felt TH was good until after day 5 and Enrique was lynched, and even then that's based on Enrique's attitude to TH rather than the way TH makes me feel. He still looks the same.

I have never done this and will never do this. This isn't even like your 'I've only done this twice'. I've done this NEVER. That's because it's stupid. If I'd had any traction at all in those early days, I would have just taken out a teammate for no real gain. I worked fucking hard to get TH lynched in those early days.

3) You have to believe that I chose to try to lynch TH while defending DF. No offense to DF, but that's another thing that would just have been stupid. DF was an easy target to bus and look good if I were bad. The reason I didn't is because I did my research and he looked decent to me.

4) That I've left Epi alive until now. I want Epi to be NKed from day one at all times when I'm bad. This is something that sounds kind of personal, and maybe it is, but I'm just saying it because it's true, not because I want to be petty. Epi and I don't mesh in mafia, and I tend to enjoy games more when we aren't both in them long term. I actually very much enjoy watching Epi play and hosting him, ad being on the same bad team as him, and being hosted by him. I just have these little spats with him in game when we don't know each other's affiliation and I think we have very different values about how we play the game that causes a disconnect, and so I try to knock him off as soon as possible. I'm not saying I'm right and he's wrong about this, I'm just saying that's how it is. My point is - Epi would absolutely have been dead long ago if I was bad. And if you don't believe me, this is another thing you can go do your research on. Epi and I have never reached endgame together when I am bad, and unless I can sort my shit out he never will.

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:11 pm Golden and TH are hanging in the background. Golden is not being honest in his dealings with me (he says they're incomplete, and that's fine, but anybody who gives a damn at this point should know my very first suspect was DDL, and I went after him hard, and then backed off after a while). He's doing busy work. He doesn't care who is really bad. I think DDL does.
There are so many things wrong with this post.

They are:

I have not hung in the background at all, and that could only possibly be said as referring to this actual day while I was at work.
Epi says I'm not honest in my 'dealings with him' when reading my posts that were literally about DDL not him.
"Anybody who gives a damn at this point should know" - no, because I don't remember your game off by heart. This pisses me off too. I promised to read you several times. It's your choice to take this as 'never going to happen' when you know I'm at work.
"Doing busy work" - there couldn't be any more bullshit than this.
"He doesn't care who is really bad" - go read any single day of this game. There are plenty of people I have gone out of my way to defend as town, that I cared were not lynched - sometimes I was right, sometimes I was wrong, but it cannot be levelled at me that I do not care.

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So now it's 11.30, and I'm going to read epi's iso, but if I'm honest there have been too many moments like this in this game, like how I feel right now. It's a way lots of people have felt playing against me. It's that feeling where I care more about wiping the smug look from Epi's face and want to be lynched just to spite him.

The problem is, and the thing that stops me from doing this, is that if Epi is bad, me throwing in the towel isn't going to wipe the smug look off his face. So I'm going to try.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:27 pmHe attacks TH a lot, but it's not until Day 4 that he becomes his main suspect. Day 3 he's basically mentioning other peeople while throwing jabs at TH, until someone starts a CFD on TH and he acts like a little boy who just got a surprise candy. Then he becomes more adamant about wanting TH's head, but it's not real tunneling, and we have that point I made ages ago where it seemed like the two were badmouthing each other without engaging directly.
And btw - this is not the post of someone who is engaging properly with my iso. To be fair on day three I did spend a bit of time on defence of my captaincy style, but other than that I couldn't have been more clear who I wanted out.

On day three I was very clear about TH from the very start with stuff like this:
Golden wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:35 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:13 am Turnip Head
Dr Wilgy
Dharmaplayer
Enrique

Insertnamehere
Glorfindel

Leaving Lapluie out of this beautiful rainbow list. I wouldn't lynch there though since she's getting replaced.
My rainbow list for this poll is literally the exact inverse of this.
I had already spent all day two after TH and failed. Also, someone did not just 'start a cfd on TH and I jumped on'.

Someone else (Enrique, as it happened) said he'd vote with me. He was the first person to say it. I went on. This was at least a full 24 hours before the lynch, not a CFD at all. It was just a glimmer of hope for me that maybe someone would listen.

And no-one else really did.

So I ended up voting for Wilgy the next day - but in my Wilgy vote post I still spent the time beseeching people to read TH before day's end in case there was any shot I could get the vote back to TH. And I kept pushing and pushing.

And then the dam broke and people started going that way and yes, I was like a kid in a candy store at that moment because it felt like people were finally listening. And then in the end it didn't happen. But I fucking damn well wanted it to.

And if anyone can't read the honesty in exchanges like this, I don't know what more I can say:
Golden wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:17 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:15 pm Yo Dharma wanna put our shit on pause and take out Goldenboy?
Yo TH wanna recruit the people I’ve scumread and use them as allies just because it’s an easy way to take out a threat to you?

I’m not on the poll.
You cannot read day three and come out with any other conclusion but one of these two:

1) I was a townie who genuinely wanted TH dead; or
2) It was an extremely hard bus.

This analysis that he was not my main suspect before day 4 isn't even close to the truth.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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So... Epi

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Epi is right. He was on DDL first. He also made posts like this:
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In case DDL is bad.
Townclearing a couple of people for voting your teammate wouldn't make a lot of sense.

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Epi regarding TH?
Epignosis wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:33 am
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MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:24 am @Golden why is your vote on Turbup alongside scumrique?
Because I think TH is bad.

I’m now disinvesting in this game.
Okay do you have a case on TH that I haven't seen?
Yes. I made it yesterday.

Why not look at how yesterday was a TH save?
I'm so tired of hearing how someone was "saved" just because votes don't go your way. DDL said that said shit when Sokoth was lynched.
They have a spat about speedchuck

This on day 5 - ends with a vote on a baddie, but thinks lynching TH is 'a bad choice' for reasons that have never been apparent before now.
Epignosis wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:37 pm The only reason I'd lynch Golden today is pure schadenfreude, and that's not enough to move me there.

I equally think lynching Turnip Head is a bad choice.

DDL has attained a level of, "Well, that sounds about right for a civilian DDL" that I'm unwilling to move there today.

I retain some suspicion of nutella and speedchuck, but not enough to try to move the masses there.

sig is now juliets, so that's a hard pass for today.

MacDougall's "efforts" don't really pass the smell test, but he falls into the same camp as nutella and speedchuck.

Glorfindel.

This might be the shittiest poll I've seen.

At least Enrique is on it. :grin:
My findings are - Epi is completely compatible with TH, but I do think it unlikely he's with DDL. I stopped even bothering to read for DDL stuff after a while.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Two last specific points:
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:44 pm Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
This is exactly what Epi would want to do if he was bad with TH, and:
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:27 pm If you believe I am mafia, there are certain things you also have to believe. Here you go:

You believe that, in the immediate wake of the Sokoth lynch, I awarded my teammate DF credit with the Sokoth lynch...and then promptly took it away when I studied the timing of his posts and pointed out something nobody else was going to spot in two hundred years.

So, I'd have to believe you bussed a teammate. You definitely don't often. But if you were going to, pointing out something nobody else was going to spot in two hundred years would be a bad way.

You believe that I ushered everybody onto my teammate Enrique when I was the only vote on him and everybody else was having a Golden Turnip Head party:

So, you'd usher people onto Enrique rather than TH. You might have gone after me but you never indicated any suspicion of me, and I think Mac was far more instrumental in actually ushering people on.

You believe that I bought the lie detector, used it to "clear" DharmaHelper, and then killed juliets.

Nothing about this strategy is stupid, if you use it to make yourself seem like a townlock because 'why would I do that, it would be so stupid'

You believe that I threw not one, but two teammates under the bus, when I have never done that in the history of the universe.

This is the same point you made above but just made again.
Everything Epi said about him never having bussed before is true. He's brought it up many times. It's a meta argument. To believe he's bad I have to believe he's capable of, and willing to, shift his meta.

I tend to find meta arguments persuasive. I do here too. But I think you need to look at the value proposition involved in bussing. Epi did bus DDL that one time with me because he was caught and it set us on the path to a win. He admits to also bussing scotty when it was a losing cause. So, I'm going to note the context of these two votes.

The DF one came after Mac's info claim and DFs self vote. If I was bad, I think I would have seen DF as a lost cause at that point. He overreacted to a fake info claim. That's no reason not to bus.
The Enrique one is much more substantial I think, although I had TH seriously under the pump at this point.

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So yes, I find it plausible that Epi could have done this and be bad.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Having said all of that, here's where I'm left at, without having read TH.

DDL/TH is possible having looked at DDL's side, although there are some signs that point to maybe no.
DDL/Epi doesn't look that possible from Epi's side.
Epi/TH seems quite plausible from reading Epi's side.

I abandoned Epi/DH. Too hard to do it all this late, but frankly if that was their ploy coming in to today they deserve to win. If anyone else (which I guess means DDL or TH) does analysis of this overnight, it gives me a chance.

For now I'm voting TH. I have it down to two teams and he's in both of them.
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Last thing. I had a theory coming in to today.

It was that out of DDL, Epi and TH, the two baddies would probably be the first two of them to vote the same way, since they'd only need to drag one vote over that way.

It was Epi and TH and they voted for me. DDL resisted the urge to change off TH. So right now that's the way I'm leaning of the two.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:44 pm Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
I wanna change to Golden now (since unlike TH he can be bad with you) but I'll only do it after I see DH doing it.

Because the dude has a TH addiction right now and I don't feel like taunting his rage and getting lynched myself in the process.
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Also I'm not sure if INH will come back either.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:18 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:44 pm Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
I wanna change to Golden now (since unlike TH he can be bad with you) but I'll only do it after I see DH doing it.

Because the dude has a TH addiction right now and I don't feel like taunting his rage and getting lynched myself in the process.
What’s one good reason TH and epi can’t be bad together?
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Golden wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:22 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:18 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:44 pm Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
I wanna change to Golden now (since unlike TH he can be bad with you) but I'll only do it after I see DH doing it.

Because the dude has a TH addiction right now and I don't feel like taunting his rage and getting lynched myself in the process.
What’s one good reason TH and epi can’t be bad together?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:24 am
Golden wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:22 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:18 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:44 pm Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
I wanna change to Golden now (since unlike TH he can be bad with you) but I'll only do it after I see DH doing it.

Because the dude has a TH addiction right now and I don't feel like taunting his rage and getting lynched myself in the process.
What’s one good reason TH and epi can’t be bad together?
Grenade.
If you’re using that, the least you could do would be get host clarity on how it worked.

It seems to me you are showing exactly why you grenade yourself.
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Like I've accepted I dont remember the formula for how it works but in every likely form of it, using an item that can kill people in a crew where 2/5 are your teammates sounds like a crap idea.
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You should go read epis iso. I think the chance he’s with TH are quite reasonable.
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Sure

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] is there any chance you could provide us with the description of that grenade item that was bought early? The one that killed juliets the first time?
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:29 am Like I've accepted I dont remember the formula for how it works but in every likely form of it, using an item that can kill people in a crew where 2/5 are your teammates sounds like a crap idea.
OMFG I cannot believe that you thinking I’m bad isn’t going to come down to sensible post analysis but ‘I feel like the grenade isn’t worth the risk’.

If it’s actually 2/30 that’s terrible logic. If you can destroy items, there might have been things out there in that very open environment they wanted destroyed. I can’t even remember what other abilities might have benefitted that approach.
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DDL, please do me the favour of reexamining my relationship with TH. I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that we can be teammates but I think it might just have been the adrenaline of yolo. Perhaps even better, just read through day 3
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Also btw if there was any chance of a me/Epi team why the fuck is he trying to lynch me and save TH for tomorrow when he had the gift he needed to win by just voting TH?
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Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
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insertnamehere wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
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Golden wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:46 am DDL, please do me the favour of reexamining my relationship with TH. I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that we can be teammates but I think it might just have been the adrenaline of yolo. Perhaps even better, just read through day 3
DDL PLS TH IS GONNA FLIP BAD PLS DONT LET THAT SINK MY CHANCES OF WINNING WE ARE SO CLOSE PLS HE WILL FLIP BAD AND THAT WILL LOOK BAD FOR ME BECAUSE I AM BAD BUT PLS PLS PLS PLS
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:18 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:44 pm Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
I wanna change to Golden now (since unlike TH he can be bad with you) but I'll only do it after I see DH doing it.

Because the dude has a TH addiction right now and I don't feel like taunting his rage and getting lynched myself in the process.
LUL I WANNA SWITCH TO GOLDEN BCUZ MAYBE ME N TH CAN SURVIVE THIS LYNCH AND WIN LOL
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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insertnamehere wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
If next DP, me and/or Golden and/or DH ask you to back the fuck away from Epi and vote for the other guy, or at least stay neutral and not vote, would you do it? I'm afraid you could single-handedly give it to mafia next DP.

I mean there is a decent chance one of the people you are protecting is bad.
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DH you realize there are only 2 scum right
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:14 am
insertnamehere wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
If next DP, me and/or Golden and/or DH ask you to back the fuck away from Epi and vote for the other guy, or at least stay neutral and not vote, would you do it? I'm afraid you could single-handedly give it to mafia next DP.

I mean there is a decent chance one of the people you are protecting is bad.
Yeah INH if DDL asked you to fuck off with your vote, essentially giving him the conditions he needs as a baddie to try and win alone, would you do it huh wouldya huh would ya do it wink wink :haha: :haha: :haha:
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 8]

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:14 am
insertnamehere wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
If next DP, me and/or Golden and/or DH ask you to back the fuck away from Epi and vote for the other guy, or at least stay neutral and not vote, would you do it? I'm afraid you could single-handedly give it to mafia next DP.

I mean there is a decent chance one of the people you are protecting is bad.
Then again there was an item in the shop that changed the vote power and we don't know who bought it. We might need your vote after all.

Scratch that, ignore my previous post INH. We will deal with you when the time comes.
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DharmaHelper wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:17 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:14 am
insertnamehere wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
If next DP, me and/or Golden and/or DH ask you to back the fuck away from Epi and vote for the other guy, or at least stay neutral and not vote, would you do it? I'm afraid you could single-handedly give it to mafia next DP.

I mean there is a decent chance one of the people you are protecting is bad.
Yeah INH if DDL asked you to fuck off with your vote, essentially giving him the conditions he needs as a baddie to try and win alone, would you do it huh wouldya huh would ya do it wink wink :haha: :haha: :haha:
What if Im dead and you are the one having to get on your knees to beg to INH-sama.
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