Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am
Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm
There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.
...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
DH made this point earlier, but this is the 4th or 5th post where Luna brings up winning the House Cup. DH proposed it as a tell; I'm not sure but it definitely seems strange when you read the posts all in quick succession.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:30 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:23 am
I’ve spoken to my motivation regarding keeping Nova alive last phase although it escapes me whether or not I did so in detail. Basically I know there are some good players on the replacements list so I wanted to see if scum would treat the slot as they did in Fire Emblem, where rabbit was killed N1 so that speed wouldn’t replace in as a towny. We’d just discussed this in Outpost a few days ago so it was fresh on my mind. If the night passed with nova alive it would have roused my suspicions considerably.
Although the vig choice is perplexing and should probably be examined. I’m sure this sounds made up but I don’t care.
The vig chose to target an inactive. Not too uncommon, right? And since that inactive happened to be scum, I'd say it was a good choice. Why do you disagree?
I won't knock Luna too hard on this because I think other people made the point, but to me, this does not seem like a question directed at scumhunting. As in, I can't for the life of me figure out what
would be scummy about the part I said that she chose to emphasize. It's a bit of debating the logic of something without real regard to whether or not it makes someone bad or not, which is, IMO, usually scummy because scum have a hard time debating anything related to badness for real.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:11 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm
Alright, I'm now caught up.
Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:04 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:02 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm
Alright, I'm now caught up.
Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.
It's not a regression. It is potentially a meta thing.
Would you trust other people who have played with DH over a ton of games and have seen him as both scum and civ if they were to tell you that you were barking up the wrong tree with your meta characterization of him?
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:02 pm
I'm gonna drop a vote on Owner. Her efforts so far just seem disingenuous.
Her "read" of DH is unjustified baloney, and her other reads are substance-less.
Hopefully I'll be able to participate more on Day 2, and I want to do some more research into JJJ and TH.
OWNER
I don't get the impression that INH was interested in learning something about Owner's motives in this progression. Instead, it looks like to me like he is giving Owner shit for pursuing an errant thread of suspicion (potentially TMI on DH, to boot) and deciding to participate in her murder when it appears viable. Indeed, the highlighted portion is key: I think his read is hardly justified on her, and his "other reads" do not exist.
[VOTE:
insertnamehere] aubergine
LIKE!
But no, really. INH is doing a "game commentary" kind of deal in his posts with out any real opinions. See italicized post above.
I don't think there is much to take from this.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:36 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm
I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.
alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick.
Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me.
Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary.
PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery.
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm
Okay, inh is town
Nutella is too quick to buy INH's response. I get that he's busy and has limited time for mafia. But when he does have time to post, his content still pings me as not fully genuine. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but giving commentary on what's happening in the game, giving out fluffy/non reads, defending your own meta, and using the "busy" excuse, however true it may be, just makes me more inclined to suspect that you are scum.
So far INH's reads are Kara is town, JJJ looks a "tad suspicious," and Owner should be lynched.
I currently think Kara looks suspicious, and see no reason to town read him. Sort of agree with the JJJ thing, and disagree that Owner should be lynched.
This on the other hand is Luna voicing suspicion of INH, with solid reasoning. She continues to poke at him for a while, but not in the same way as, say, INH went after Owner.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:08 pm
@karavalenge @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool seeing as how Owner requested to be replaced, does that change your stance on wanting her lynched? There are better trains to jump on today. Just saying.
Weird, weird post. Bookmark in case Luna is bad, because it deffo points to Chucky boy in my view.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:15 pm
Changing my vote to kara, because timmer's on board with it. And because no one shares my INH suspicions.
IMO this nullifies Luna's legwork on INH. The hallmark of distancing, perhaps.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Who buys INH as a civilian?
I'm not really sure how to read INH, but he sure didn't appreciate my suspicions of him yesterday. Feel free to go back and look.
This comes after no substantial defense of INH that is quoted in her ISO. What gave her the momentum to change from building a case on INH, to abandoning a case because nobody took it, to being unsure? You tell me folks, IDK. The "go back and take a look" does feel genuine, but it could also easily just be an extension of an earlier distancing job.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:30 pm
Soneji has done little but try to get me lynched. GTH, they could be scum, and I am very okay with this train.
This comes after sort-of endorsing the INH lynch. If you can find a townie rationale in this sentence, speak now.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:32 am
Lisa and Isaiah
Things INH said to/about Lunalee:
LIKE!
INH used Luna's vague gripe against me as a springboard to promote his own previously-stated suspicion of me. K.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:49 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:36 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm
I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.
alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick.
Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me.
Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary.
PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery.
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm
Okay, inh is town
Nutella is too quick to buy INH's response. I get that he's busy and has limited time for mafia. But when he does have time to post, his content still pings me as not fully genuine. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but giving commentary on what's happening in the game, giving out fluffy/non reads, defending your own meta, and using the "busy" excuse, however true it may be, just makes me more inclined to suspect that you are scum.
So far INH's reads are Kara is town, JJJ looks a "tad suspicious," and Owner should be lynched.
I currently think Kara looks suspicious, and see no reason to town read him. Sort of agree with the JJJ thing, and disagree that Owner should be lynched.
well gee wilikers, I'm sorry that my opinions aren't enough for you Luna. Not sure where the hell you got the "fluffy non-reads" from. Scumreading JJJ, Owner, and Juliets currently. Townreading Kara, because her responses to folks attacking her sound hella genuine to me. Apologies that my ""busy" excuse" just makes you more inclined to scumread me. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion.
If you want to unduly dismiss everything I've said in this game and view it in the most negative possible light for no other substantive reason other than "I'm a skeptic," then, well, you can certainly choose to do that.
There's something awkward about this exchange which I am finding difficult to describe. INH was snarky in his response to Luna's beefs as he often is, but it feels a bit different in this case. In his sarcasm he is accepting of Luna's suspicion ("You're certainly entitled to your own opinion" / "you can certainly choose to do that"). Note the first sentence that I have highlighted: this is a characteristic response by INH to an accuser, but does it fit the accusation? Luna suggested INH's pings are not fully genuine, but not that they're "lacking" or "unsubstantial" or the like. The latter terms apply more to INH's response re: "aren't enough for you". The disconnect makes this read more manufactured than INH's similar snark as he handled Long Con and myself, for example.
This is a crucial exchange to assess if you are going to label Lunalee a mafia teammate of INH. It covers three posts for each of them, and mutual suspicion is being exchanged throughout. I think the language they use here is compatible for mafia teammates, but it doesn't scream at me. Indeed, moments of doubt are preventing me from harshing too much on Luna's vibe:
INH's "based on my dastardly practice of providing commentary on the thread" -- appeal to emotion junk which belittle's Luna's suspicion
Luna's "But lol, you don't feel great about nutella for her quick flop on you, but "I started it" by expressing my suspicions?"
I hope others will chime in on this exchange. The read can probably be reduced to this point, and it's a tough call.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm
I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed.
Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying.
This. Her 3 targets that she's focused on, Bullz, Kara, and me, have all been easy suspicions to come by, and mostly feel like her hopping onto easy suspects already mentioned by others. She criticized me for having too few/weak reads, and only providing "commentary" to the thread, while she herself has been guilty of all of that.
I always read willful hypocrisy as a scumtell. Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.
[VOTE:
lunalee] aubergine
INH continued to dump on Luna for taking the easy way out and hypocrisy (the latter accusation being an absolutely false representation of their content comparatively). Lunalee was pretty lynchable on Day 2, so this vote is important. It's difficult to assess relative to the Soneji wagon which sprung up late. Bullzeye might be a more accurate counterwagon at this moment.
Things Lunalee said to/about INH:
Luna LIKEs my case on INH
Lunalee was one of the first to acknowledge my suspicion of INH, and it actually took a while for anyone else to give a shit (the only other response I saw in a quick skim was DH making fun of it). I think that's decent for her. The thing was basically forgotten within ten minutes of my having posted it, and she brought it back.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:15 pm
Changing my vote to kara, because timmer's on board with it. And because no one shares my INH suspicions.
This one's not ideal. At least one person definitely shared the INH suspicion (the one who made the case she agreed with). There was enough time left in the day at this point to promote the lynch of any player on the roster.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:57 pm
Who buys INH as a civilian?
I'm not really sure how to read INH, but he sure didn't appreciate my suspicions of him yesterday. Feel free to go back and look.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:16 pm
Once my life is no longer endangered, I will happily join the INH lynch
I don't know what point Luna is making in the first post there. She has stated her suspicions, but this one seems to be a reversion to neutrality (at least in the specific language employed if not necessarily in spirit). The second one bugs me a bit, as at that point there were about 80 minutes remaining in the day. Self-preservation isn't so crucial with that much time remaining and numerous players present playing the game. Push the lynch you want as long as you can. This might be more of a strategic gripe than one which is indicative of alignment.
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This is a very mixed bag. I think INH's posts are barely good for her, and Luna's own posts are barely bad for her. If they're teammates then their distancing effort was thorough. It strikes me as relatively plausible.
Luna at least needs to answer for her handling of INH late in Day 2, per the last two points in this analysis.
Okay:
INH's posts look very scummy now that he's confirmed bad, but late on day 2, I was still back-and-forth on my read of him. I did heavily suspect him previously (you quoted all that), but it ended with me just sort of walking away, because I wasn't sure what else to say to INH, or if he was really bad or not. It was a lack of confidence on my part, and I really should have just looked past that and went for the lynch. As far as not voting for INH late in the day, I had to leave the thread 30 min before EOD, so I went for the "safe" lynch of Soneji to make sure I didn't die.
Relevant.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:45 pm
[VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
JJJ is probably scum. Glorf is not. JJJ knows glorf better than me. He's defending Glorf for townie points or from genuineness, not to decieve. Either way, Glorf has to be town.
JJJ and glorf are NOOOOT W/W. Impossible. I promise.
I know you hate this argument. But seriously think about it. If Glorf were town he would have said so by now. His posts all look like deer-in-the-headlights scum.
I just am not sure if I can buy Luna believes her own words here. We talked around the Glorf issue early, he pretty obviously indirectly claimed during it, so anybody who comes into the thread saying "Okay, but what if he's bad" to me just didn't get it or was not being honest.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am
Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.
Infamous pingy post. You know my thoughts on it, you know Nutella's thoughts on it. GTH, is this a town Luna announcing her change of view to the thread, or a scum Luna positioning herself for future days when things look bad for LC?
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:35 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:27 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:26 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am
Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.
If LC is bad, remember this post.
Why? You think we're teammates and I'm bussing him?
How do other people feel about the initial quote?
I asked what
you thought, Colin. Then you shrug, and look around the room for validation instead of responding to my question. This doesn't look very good for you.
Again, I struggle to believe that Luna believed this. She's voiced tepid suspicion of me previously, but this is as reflexive a no-u as I've ever seen.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:33 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:30 pm
I am going to try to do a big fuckin interactive analysis of Luna and the scum so nobody else do it
LOL at Colin intent on interrogating the towniest looking townie while ignoring INH being presented to us with a noose around his neck and sign that says "lynch me"
Such an anti-town mindset for the "towniest towny" to have.
Luna actually comes out of this slightly better than I felt before doing it, but there is a lot here that bothers me and feels calculated or insincere.
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on first impression both Owner and JJJ come off as too strong going after their targets. Idk if JJJ is normally like this (some said he's sus, some didn't react even a bit), he doesn't seem like new here albeit he doesn't have grandpa vibe yet. Owner - last time I played with her and she's scum, she didn't tunnel this much. Her reasoning is weird tho but she's always weird by default 
