Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 13]

[MacDougall]

Voted Sloonei so I don't miss the vote. Finishing up read. Will post reasons when I'm done.

Pooooo

[MacDougall]

Cosmic Unrest

"Something must be done!"

Cul-Thezn's gurgling and hollow voice annoyed Almanpeus - it always did, but the urgency and near-panic the God of Fungus was displaying was especially irksome. Almanpeus raised a crystalline eyebrow, and carefully crafted her multitonal voice to convey maximum disdain. "What exactly would you have us do?"

Cul-Thezn held up a mushroom cluster that Almanpeus assumed was supposed to resemble a finger. "One of us should go down there!" He looked around at the other gathered gods. "Perhaps ALL of us should go down there! Let's tear that reality apart and end this travesty!"

"Long Con went down there," Scintala, Goddess of Light and Luck, interjected. "And he never came back. I'm not sure I need to risk that, and for what?"

"She tricked him!" shouted Cul-Thezn. "He's down there now, who knows what form he has taken, or if he's even aware of what happened!" He trudged around, eyeing the other cosmic beings. "Are you all so self-involved--?"

"And is that so bad?" inquired Almanpeus wryly. "Perhaps a change around here is just what we needed."

"If Long Con can be imprisoned," whistled Loas, God of Flight, "Then so can the rest of us! How can you support a pantheon-wide detention..?!"

"Slippery slope!" blurted Voggot, Demigod of Pedantry. "Straw man!"

Cul-Thezn squinted derisively. "Some newborn godling imprisons the greatest of us, and you make jokes? You - you cowards! You're ALL cowards-"

He was cut off as Almanpeus grabbed his throat, orange light flaring from within her crystal form. "And who says I was joking?!" He whimpered as her touch burned his fungal flesh, twisting away and falling to his knees.

He glared up at her, rubbing his neck. "You will see. My eyes see all that grows in the darkness. This realm is a cancer, a blight, and this is only a taste of what is to come!"

"Look," piped up Scintala. "They're doing it again. They seek... justice."

Voggot chuckled. "An elusive concept."

wolbre has been lynched. He was the Dream Splicer, a Civilian.

Night 1 has started. You have 21 hours from this post to send in your night action PMs AND your movement choice.

Pooooo

[wolbre04]

nice job troops

[colonialbob]

@Kylemii i have 2 questions right now

1. Who are you voting for?
2. If I buy a switch and smash will you play with me im lonely

1. if i knew who i was voting for i would have voted already, but at this point it's probably going to be wolbre since i don't believe sloonei is bad
2. absolutely yes. i don't have anyone on my friends list at all yet so i can only play against strangers

Can I join the smash bros group

100% yes

Man I really hope I get it for Christmas this year

[Turnip Head]

Let's do that again

[Sloonei]

Here's my case against Juliets. I recommend we all talk about her now that we can breathe a little:

Spoiler: show

Good morning everyone, we play at last! sabie12 so glad to have you back with us. And so glad to have you guys I've played mafia with for the most years - Tranq, S~V~S, Lorab and Sorsha. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I also have no idea what the poll means so I'm going to wait to vote in it until there is some more discussion around it. Also, I will be at work today from 8:30 until this afternoon without access to the thread so I'm sure I'll come home to an explosion! Ok, so later.

The hardest part of trying to construct a case against juliets is that she's the human embodiment of warmth and kindness. Lose all emotional affect.

These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Wait a minute, I remember a game where I was part of a 3 civ group with BTSC that was a LC/BR game - was that World Apart? I can't remember mafia games years after I've played them at all. Anyway, I agree this sounds like a pro-town option so that's where I'm voting.

Similar to sig, this post has a "How do you do, fellow town?" vibe. She makes a deliberate point to frame her chosen option as pro-town before casting the vote. I'm skeptical.

Good news! Votes are indeed changeable, and I put mine on Tranq. Aubergine.

Sloonei, sorry if I missed your reasoning but what did you see about Tranq that made you put a vote on him?

Her first game-relevant action is to ask me about my Tranq vote. I don't know what she did with this question.

Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Similar question for cbob. In both cases her response was simply to say "thanks." You're welcome.

These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

As someone who has played several LC/BR games I don't know if I believe that you believe that anything in the game is meaningless.

This is why I voted for Tranq.

Ah, ok thanks Sloonei.

Do you have an opinion on this?

After thinking about it, I don't understand why Tranq said that after having played Long Rock games in the past, so maybe I should just ask him: @Tranq what made you say this after having played their games in the past where the polls - especially the first poll - were meaningful?

Also though, I'm less inclined to vote on day 1 one of the people who has been gone for years from our site. I'm not saying I won't vote for one but the evidence would have to be strong.

lots of linki which I will read after posting

Past-Sloonei was on the ball, though, and didn't let her off the hook that easy. She responded by essentially parroting the concern and then asking Tranq to explain his post, but then expressed hesitation about voting for players in Tranq's situation. In other words, she doesn't do much.

I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

huh, you're right. I went back and looked at the game and indeed the poll options were just music genres but the poll outcome was those that those who voted one of the options got taken off the day 1 poll. So, I see what you mean about the difference between options and polls so this explanation rings true to me. Thanks for explaining.

Accepts Tranq's response without criticism.

Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?

Out of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?

So um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.

Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.

If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.

But for now I'm good.

I would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.

Luna does seem to get mislynched but I think it's because we don't know how to read her more than it is she doesn't know how to play like a civ. I thought her question to nutella was good, I also wondered if she was voting based on Hogwarts or something she has seen this game.

Vaguely vouches for luna while just-as-vaguely criticizing nutella, but I don't actually see a read on either player in this game right now. Not ideal.

I appreciate Epi's pointing out some oddities in Sloonei's posts because Sloonei is a tough nut to crack for me. He had me completely snowed in a game I played with him earlier this year where he was bad. But I agree with Sloonei's point that he doesn't think this is a sincere case. I think it's a bold move to enhance conversation.

Juliets is mostly just posting to express agreement with things. Is this normal for her?

Something is bothering me about G-Man but I can't put my finger on it. I was not a fan of his post calling DH short sighted and dismissive. Maybe it's just the tone which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Anyway, I agree with DDL, I'd like to see more from G-Man today.

This is one of my Red Flag statements. I always perk up when I see someone thrust such a vague suspicion on a person. Qualify that junk! Otherwise it can just be read as phony bandwagoning. Not a good look for juliets.

Ok, I found this quote from Mac:

Oh I just read some Jack posts that pinged me. There's no actual case there.

Mac, would you share what posts pinged you?

Puts her attention on the Jack case, but... I don't see her actually doing much here.

There's a lot of the same for a while, then this:

I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

Yuck. Taken with the rest of Juliets' ISO, this vote is supremely weak. I can't identify a single read juliets has made this game, and her vote is on the established lazy low-poster option. Not good.

And then there's a couple more posts where she reacts to other people saying things without taking a stance. I have a definitive beef here. Juliets has spent most of the day agreeing with people and asking straightforward questions. I do not see a single read on a player anywhere in these posts, and I see no evidence that she's actively working with the information gained from any of the questions she's asked. I could get behind a juliets case.

@juliets, what are your reads on nutella and luna?

[Quin]

but it wouldve been so funny if he was bad though

[wolbre04]

The bitches actually did it

[Sloonei]

I generally disapprove of the entire lynch proceedings that just unfolded.

[Quin]

i voted for the one that sounds like minor injuries because im hoping for a MK/everyones insane kind of situation

[colonialbob]

Ok I need to go to bed

Rip wolbre I will miss your humor

[DrWilgy]

I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

I did it to tie the game earlier lol. Didn't have time to double check since then.

[Quin]

I generally disapprove of the entire lynch proceedings that just unfolded.

how about the part where you didn't die?

[DharmaHelper]

I voted for Objectifuse Mumbojumbo

[Turnip Head]

The bitches actually did it

Rest in peace you beautiful bastard

[DharmaHelper]

I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

I did it to tie the game earlier lol. Didn't have time to double check since then.

Wow now he shows up. How was Baddie BTSC there for that stretch of time you almost got lynched my dude?

[Sloonei]

I generally disapprove of the entire lynch proceedings that just unfolded.

how about the part where you didn't die?

That was the best part, but I never should have been there to begin with.

juliets, on the other hand...

[Sloonei]

I'll vote later, I need to take my mind off of this game for a little while.

[Turnip Head]

I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

I did it to tie the game earlier lol. Didn't have time to double check since then.

Wow now he shows up. How was Baddie BTSC there for that stretch of time you almost got lynched my dude?

this tbqh

[timmer]

I picked the thing that sounds like it reveals bad things.

[Lunalee]

Voting Dr. Wilgy. Incase he's bad. Cause I don't thin Wolbre is.

This is the post that convinced me to switch my vote

Cool. That looks like it was a great decision.

[DharmaHelper]

Voting Dr. Wilgy. Incase he's bad. Cause I don't thin Wolbre is.

This is the post that convinced me to switch my vote

Cool. That looks like it was a great decision.

Can't win 'em all

[Lunalee]

Voting Dr. Wilgy. Incase he's bad. Cause I don't thin Wolbre is.

This is the post that convinced me to switch my vote

Cool. That looks like it was a great decision.

Can't win 'em all

Agreed, it is hard to tell this early in a game.

[nutella]

Well dang RIP wolbre.

[VOTE: wolbre] aubergine, mainly for self-defense. Let the record show that I want to be lynching juliets right now.

I always self destruct under pressure look back at the Peloponnesian war mafia game where I was town

Imma bet wolbre's town.

im not dying over an afk player
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

dude, please be civ, cause I just saved you for no reason and if you're bad I'm gonna die.

Tbh I would say that the above posts look like preemptive TMI/ass-covering, but TMI isn't as much a thing in a two-scum-team game so idk and also sloonei's town but idk about luna.

Voting Dr. Wilgy. Incase he's bad. Cause I don't thin Wolbre is.

This is the post that convinced me to switch my vote

....to wolbre? why? this post made me feel way better about luna than her other two posts I quoted, because this one sounds bolder and not like a scum save imo

wolbre

Why you voting for yourself.

I'm confident that I won't get lynched so im trying to tempt fate

I have this quote saved from before I saw the lynch result but anyway what was this lol

[nutella]

Anyway I had a bad taste in my mouth for most of that lynch and I don't think we actually had good options on the table. Tranq or Speed would have been my preferences.

[DharmaHelper]

Well dang RIP wolbre.

[VOTE: wolbre] aubergine, mainly for self-defense. Let the record show that I want to be lynching juliets right now.

I always self destruct under pressure look back at the Peloponnesian war mafia game where I was town

Imma bet wolbre's town.

im not dying over an afk player
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

dude, please be civ, cause I just saved you for no reason and if you're bad I'm gonna die.

Tbh I would say that the above posts look like preemptive TMI/ass-covering, but TMI isn't as much a thing in a two-scum-team game so idk and also sloonei's town but idk about luna.

Voting Dr. Wilgy. Incase he's bad. Cause I don't thin Wolbre is.

This is the post that convinced me to switch my vote

....to wolbre? why? this post made me feel way better about luna than her other two posts I quoted, because this one sounds bolder and not like a scum save imo

wolbre

Why you voting for yourself.

I'm confident that I won't get lynched so im trying to tempt fate

I have this quote saved from before I saw the lynch result but anyway what was this lol

Looked like a left-field last-second save to me.

[nutella]

Here's my case against Juliets. I recommend we all talk about her now that we can breathe a little:

Spoiler: show

Good morning everyone, we play at last! sabie12 so glad to have you back with us. And so glad to have you guys I've played mafia with for the most years - Tranq, S~V~S, Lorab and Sorsha. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I also have no idea what the poll means so I'm going to wait to vote in it until there is some more discussion around it. Also, I will be at work today from 8:30 until this afternoon without access to the thread so I'm sure I'll come home to an explosion! Ok, so later.

The hardest part of trying to construct a case against juliets is that she's the human embodiment of warmth and kindness. Lose all emotional affect.

These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Wait a minute, I remember a game where I was part of a 3 civ group with BTSC that was a LC/BR game - was that World Apart? I can't remember mafia games years after I've played them at all. Anyway, I agree this sounds like a pro-town option so that's where I'm voting.

Similar to sig, this post has a "How do you do, fellow town?" vibe. She makes a deliberate point to frame her chosen option as pro-town before casting the vote. I'm skeptical.

Good news! Votes are indeed changeable, and I put mine on Tranq. Aubergine.

Sloonei, sorry if I missed your reasoning but what did you see about Tranq that made you put a vote on him?

Her first game-relevant action is to ask me about my Tranq vote. I don't know what she did with this question.

Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Similar question for cbob. In both cases her response was simply to say "thanks." You're welcome.

As someone who has played several LC/BR games I don't know if I believe that you believe that anything in the game is meaningless.

This is why I voted for Tranq.

Ah, ok thanks Sloonei.

Do you have an opinion on this?

After thinking about it, I don't understand why Tranq said that after having played Long Rock games in the past, so maybe I should just ask him: @Tranq what made you say this after having played their games in the past where the polls - especially the first poll - were meaningful?

Also though, I'm less inclined to vote on day 1 one of the people who has been gone for years from our site. I'm not saying I won't vote for one but the evidence would have to be strong.

lots of linki which I will read after posting

Past-Sloonei was on the ball, though, and didn't let her off the hook that easy. She responded by essentially parroting the concern and then asking Tranq to explain his post, but then expressed hesitation about voting for players in Tranq's situation. In other words, she doesn't do much.

I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

huh, you're right. I went back and looked at the game and indeed the poll options were just music genres but the poll outcome was those that those who voted one of the options got taken off the day 1 poll. So, I see what you mean about the difference between options and polls so this explanation rings true to me. Thanks for explaining.

Accepts Tranq's response without criticism.

Out of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?

So um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.

Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.

If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.

But for now I'm good.

I would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.

Luna does seem to get mislynched but I think it's because we don't know how to read her more than it is she doesn't know how to play like a civ. I thought her question to nutella was good, I also wondered if she was voting based on Hogwarts or something she has seen this game.

Vaguely vouches for luna while just-as-vaguely criticizing nutella, but I don't actually see a read on either player in this game right now. Not ideal.

I appreciate Epi's pointing out some oddities in Sloonei's posts because Sloonei is a tough nut to crack for me. He had me completely snowed in a game I played with him earlier this year where he was bad. But I agree with Sloonei's point that he doesn't think this is a sincere case. I think it's a bold move to enhance conversation.

Juliets is mostly just posting to express agreement with things. Is this normal for her?

Something is bothering me about G-Man but I can't put my finger on it. I was not a fan of his post calling DH short sighted and dismissive. Maybe it's just the tone which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Anyway, I agree with DDL, I'd like to see more from G-Man today.

This is one of my Red Flag statements. I always perk up when I see someone thrust such a vague suspicion on a person. Qualify that junk! Otherwise it can just be read as phony bandwagoning. Not a good look for juliets.

Ok, I found this quote from Mac:

Oh I just read some Jack posts that pinged me. There's no actual case there.

Mac, would you share what posts pinged you?

Puts her attention on the Jack case, but... I don't see her actually doing much here.

There's a lot of the same for a while, then this:

I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

Yuck. Taken with the rest of Juliets' ISO, this vote is supremely weak. I can't identify a single read juliets has made this game, and her vote is on the established lazy low-poster option. Not good.

And then there's a couple more posts where she reacts to other people saying things without taking a stance. I have a definitive beef here. Juliets has spent most of the day agreeing with people and asking straightforward questions. I do not see a single read on a player anywhere in these posts, and I see no evidence that she's actively working with the information gained from any of the questions she's asked. I could get behind a juliets case.

@juliets, what are your reads on nutella and luna?

Nobody caaaaaaares


Tranq and Speed are bad. Once we get them out of the way I'll think about juliets but so far she looks like juliets.

[LoRab]

OK...skimmed a crap ton of pages. Here's why I voted as I did. First, I didn't like the votes against Wilgy. I have no reason to believe him civ, but I see no reason to suspect him, either. He flyby votes all the time--it makes it super easy to bandwagon him. That said, his appearance after the fact, and defense of folks questioning him are suspicious. So I am now placing an eyeball in that direction.

As for wolbre, that bandwagon reeked of bandwagon. And I didn't really see the reason. My suspicion of sloonei is relatively week (as day 1 suspicion often is), but here are the 2 posts that tilted my vote in that direction:

I really do need to get out of here though, and I don't have time to continue responding to criticism. My one request is that I am not lynched on Day 1 of this game. I'm clearly invested, regardless of how you read me, and I'm not going to go away. I am voting for luna at the moment. I encourage discussion of her. Sig remains a suspect to me, but very few people seem on board with that. Colin has not made himself into a town read. DrWilgy would be my lazy default low-poster choice.

Another thing that has struck me is that sprityo is playing in this game. Was anybody aware of that? I wouldn't mind giving him some attention, if anyone feels like it.
And, of course, every other name deserves to be on the table as well. Keep doing things, as long as "things" don't include lynching Sloonei right now. At least save it for a time when I can be around respond to things.

UGH FINE, MR LINKI, I'll respond to you but that's it, I swear!

What got me about this post is that no one wants to be lynched day 1. That goes without saying. But it is not a defense I often see civs use. And I'm invested in the game so don't lynch me is a dangerous idea, because baddies also don't want to be lynched, and invested baddies are dangerous.

Sloonei, I am not convinced that you're mafia and It looks like its you and wilgy on the chopping block for now, I'd rather see wilgy go if necessary and I can tie it up if no one else is willing to budge
Not really sure why Sloonei is suddenly gaining mafia credit but whatever

I can kinda see how the juliets deal is really problematic, I think most people dismiss her as an enemy bc shes so nice

wtf

Epi's case against me is fake and I am nearly certain he doesn't actually want me to be lynched.
DH is voting for me because he's wrong.
Mac is voting for me because he's an idiot.
G-Man is voting for me because... I don't know. He wants to prove to Mac that he's an idiot, maybe.

This one pinged me more than the other, because saying a case is fake is not the same as saying a case is wrong. Why would epi fake a case on someone? That doesn't really make logical sense. That description doesn't sound like the Epi I know.

As I said, it's not the strongest of suspicions, but it's the suspicion I had.

[nutella]

I like the sound of Auriel Unmysterium. Sounds like revealing secret stuff maybe. And some of the other ones sound negative to me.

[nutella]

I picked the thing that sounds like it reveals bad things.

Revellos sounds like a party to me, and I don't want the malevolent things to be partying. Unmysterium sounds like revealing.

[MacDougall]

I generally disapprove of the entire lynch proceedings that just unfolded.

I don't, I loved it.

[LoRab]

Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.

[Sloonei]

OK...skimmed a crap ton of pages. Here's why I voted as I did. First, I didn't like the votes against Wilgy. I have no reason to believe him civ, but I see no reason to suspect him, either. He flyby votes all the time--it makes it super easy to bandwagon him. That said, his appearance after the fact, and defense of folks questioning him are suspicious. So I am now placing an eyeball in that direction.

As for wolbre, that bandwagon reeked of bandwagon. And I didn't really see the reason. My suspicion of sloonei is relatively week (as day 1 suspicion often is), but here are the 2 posts that tilted my vote in that direction:

I really do need to get out of here though, and I don't have time to continue responding to criticism. My one request is that I am not lynched on Day 1 of this game. I'm clearly invested, regardless of how you read me, and I'm not going to go away. I am voting for luna at the moment. I encourage discussion of her. Sig remains a suspect to me, but very few people seem on board with that. Colin has not made himself into a town read. DrWilgy would be my lazy default low-poster choice.

Another thing that has struck me is that sprityo is playing in this game. Was anybody aware of that? I wouldn't mind giving him some attention, if anyone feels like it.
And, of course, every other name deserves to be on the table as well. Keep doing things, as long as "things" don't include lynching Sloonei right now. At least save it for a time when I can be around respond to things.

UGH FINE, MR LINKI, I'll respond to you but that's it, I swear!

What got me about this post is that no one wants to be lynched day 1. That goes without saying. But it is not a defense I often see civs use. And I'm invested in the game so don't lynch me is a dangerous idea, because baddies also don't want to be lynched, and invested baddies are dangerous.

Sloonei, I am not convinced that you're mafia and It looks like its you and wilgy on the chopping block for now, I'd rather see wilgy go if necessary and I can tie it up if no one else is willing to budge
Not really sure why Sloonei is suddenly gaining mafia credit but whatever

I can kinda see how the juliets deal is really problematic, I think most people dismiss her as an enemy bc shes so nice

wtf

Epi's case against me is fake and I am nearly certain he doesn't actually want me to be lynched.
DH is voting for me because he's wrong.
Mac is voting for me because he's an idiot.
G-Man is voting for me because... I don't know. He wants to prove to Mac that he's an idiot, maybe.

This one pinged me more than the other, because saying a case is fake is not the same as saying a case is wrong. Why would epi fake a case on someone? That doesn't really make logical sense. That description doesn't sound like the Epi I know.

As I said, it's not the strongest of suspicions, but it's the suspicion I had.

I explained my thoughts on Epi's case here. I don't wish to speculate on why I think he's doing it, but this sort of play is absolutely something that I associate with Epi. I do not object to his fake case against me, to be clear. I just want to acknowledge that it's fake.

[MacDougall]

Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.

Fair

[nutella]

[mention]LoRab[/mention], Sloonei had posited earlier that Epi "faked" his Sloonei case to generate discussion, which is actually a thing Epi does.

[MacDougall]

I think that nutella, DharmaHelper and Turnip Head are all lock town and will fight anyone who says otherwise

[nutella]

Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.

Man we all have different interpretations of the pseudolatin

[Sloonei]

Here's my case against Juliets. I recommend we all talk about her now that we can breathe a little:

Spoiler: show

Good morning everyone, we play at last! sabie12 so glad to have you back with us. And so glad to have you guys I've played mafia with for the most years - Tranq, S~V~S, Lorab and Sorsha. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I also have no idea what the poll means so I'm going to wait to vote in it until there is some more discussion around it. Also, I will be at work today from 8:30 until this afternoon without access to the thread so I'm sure I'll come home to an explosion! Ok, so later.

The hardest part of trying to construct a case against juliets is that she's the human embodiment of warmth and kindness. Lose all emotional affect.

These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Wait a minute, I remember a game where I was part of a 3 civ group with BTSC that was a LC/BR game - was that World Apart? I can't remember mafia games years after I've played them at all. Anyway, I agree this sounds like a pro-town option so that's where I'm voting.

Similar to sig, this post has a "How do you do, fellow town?" vibe. She makes a deliberate point to frame her chosen option as pro-town before casting the vote. I'm skeptical.

Good news! Votes are indeed changeable, and I put mine on Tranq. Aubergine.

Sloonei, sorry if I missed your reasoning but what did you see about Tranq that made you put a vote on him?

Her first game-relevant action is to ask me about my Tranq vote. I don't know what she did with this question.

Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Similar question for cbob. In both cases her response was simply to say "thanks." You're welcome.

This is why I voted for Tranq.

Ah, ok thanks Sloonei.

Do you have an opinion on this?

After thinking about it, I don't understand why Tranq said that after having played Long Rock games in the past, so maybe I should just ask him: @Tranq what made you say this after having played their games in the past where the polls - especially the first poll - were meaningful?

Also though, I'm less inclined to vote on day 1 one of the people who has been gone for years from our site. I'm not saying I won't vote for one but the evidence would have to be strong.

lots of linki which I will read after posting

Past-Sloonei was on the ball, though, and didn't let her off the hook that easy. She responded by essentially parroting the concern and then asking Tranq to explain his post, but then expressed hesitation about voting for players in Tranq's situation. In other words, she doesn't do much.

I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

huh, you're right. I went back and looked at the game and indeed the poll options were just music genres but the poll outcome was those that those who voted one of the options got taken off the day 1 poll. So, I see what you mean about the difference between options and polls so this explanation rings true to me. Thanks for explaining.

Accepts Tranq's response without criticism.

So um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.

Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.

If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.

But for now I'm good.

I would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.

Luna does seem to get mislynched but I think it's because we don't know how to read her more than it is she doesn't know how to play like a civ. I thought her question to nutella was good, I also wondered if she was voting based on Hogwarts or something she has seen this game.

Vaguely vouches for luna while just-as-vaguely criticizing nutella, but I don't actually see a read on either player in this game right now. Not ideal.

I appreciate Epi's pointing out some oddities in Sloonei's posts because Sloonei is a tough nut to crack for me. He had me completely snowed in a game I played with him earlier this year where he was bad. But I agree with Sloonei's point that he doesn't think this is a sincere case. I think it's a bold move to enhance conversation.

Juliets is mostly just posting to express agreement with things. Is this normal for her?

Something is bothering me about G-Man but I can't put my finger on it. I was not a fan of his post calling DH short sighted and dismissive. Maybe it's just the tone which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Anyway, I agree with DDL, I'd like to see more from G-Man today.

This is one of my Red Flag statements. I always perk up when I see someone thrust such a vague suspicion on a person. Qualify that junk! Otherwise it can just be read as phony bandwagoning. Not a good look for juliets.

Ok, I found this quote from Mac:

Oh I just read some Jack posts that pinged me. There's no actual case there.

Mac, would you share what posts pinged you?

Puts her attention on the Jack case, but... I don't see her actually doing much here.

There's a lot of the same for a while, then this:

I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

Yuck. Taken with the rest of Juliets' ISO, this vote is supremely weak. I can't identify a single read juliets has made this game, and her vote is on the established lazy low-poster option. Not good.

And then there's a couple more posts where she reacts to other people saying things without taking a stance. I have a definitive beef here. Juliets has spent most of the day agreeing with people and asking straightforward questions. I do not see a single read on a player anywhere in these posts, and I see no evidence that she's actively working with the information gained from any of the questions she's asked. I could get behind a juliets case.

@juliets, what are your reads on nutella and luna?

Nobody caaaaaaares


Tranq and Speed are bad. Once we get them out of the way I'll think about juliets but so far she looks like juliets.

I was down for a Tranq vote but there was no chance of making it happen. I haven't seen enough meat on the speedchuck bone to be down for that yet.

There's plenty of meat on the juliets bone, though.

[Kylemii]

"Make Something Happen
Terminus Competitious
Maleficus Revellos
Auriel Unmysterium
Objectifuse Enconscioufy
Minoritus Injuraboo"

all of these sound bad

[Kylemii]

auriel unmysterium is the only one without vaguely menacing fake words in it

[MacDougall]

24 pages of juicy content and activity to shove my meat into.

[LoRab]

Fair defense, Sloonei. And I now see where you were coming from with Epi--I had missed that detail in my skim. I'm not sure I agree about Epi, but I get it.

Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.

Man we all have different interpretations of the pseudolatin

Except that revellos is actually Latin: http://latin-dictionary.net/definition/ ... i-revulsus

[Sloonei]

What's wrong with magnificent ravioli?

[timmer]

Plenty of meat on the timmer bone, too, eyyyyyyyyy.....

[nutella]

Also I re-read your juliets iso and don't actually see anything that convinces me to scumread her. Most of the posts you quote are neutral and her usual style of questioning/getting her head in the game and I see those posts as NAI for her. Your biggest "red flag" point is asking her to qualify a vague suspicion which she literally qualifies in the remainder of the post after the sentence you highlighted but I guess you elected to ignore that detail.

I do agree that her Wilgy vote was weak though, and you and mac both made a decent point about wilgy being a frequent scapegoat for lazy bandwagoners (she wasn't the first to vote wilgy was she? idk maybe she was but still kind of an easy/low-risk option)

[timmer]

Fair defense, Sloonei. And I now see where you were coming from with Epi--I had missed that detail in my skim. I'm not sure I agree about Epi, but I get it.

Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.

Man we all have different interpretations of the pseudolatin

Except that revellos is actually Latin: http://latin-dictionary.net/definition/ ... i-revulsus

Oh nice I was thinking more REVEAL-os, bit that sounds even better.

[nutella]

Fair defense, Sloonei. And I now see where you were coming from with Epi--I had missed that detail in my skim. I'm not sure I agree about Epi, but I get it.

Voted Maleficus Revellos. Because plucking away evil sounds like a good idea.

Man we all have different interpretations of the pseudolatin

Except that revellos is actually Latin: http://latin-dictionary.net/definition/ ... i-revulsus

I got out-linguisticked

btw have you ever listened to A Way With Words? it's so much fun and I actually saw their live show about a week ago and it was awesome

[wolbre04]

I generally disapprove of the entire lynch proceedings that just unfolded.

I don't, I loved it.

Am I lock town on your list yet Mac

[MacDougall]

I generally disapprove of the entire lynch proceedings that just unfolded.

I don't, I loved it.

Am I lock town on your list yet Mac

Yes precious

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol why did Wolbre get lynched? I guess I can’t complain since I didn’t vote but I don’t think he had votes on him when I last checked in.