Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

[sabie12]

I'm watching community while playing a community game. Communityception

[dunya]

I have thoughts.

so?

[dunya]

yay, sabie. i might do a community marathon this weekend too. i miss the gang.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have thoughts.

so?

sabie first!

[dunya]

i thought she already responded.

I was about to respond but then other things came up that I wanted to respond to more sooooo I did. A lot was happening all at once and I tried to respond to all the things!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh, I thought that was peripheral. k

My thoughts: many players, particularly of the older eras of The Syndicate, haven't been raised in the respond-to-everything firestorm of JJJ or dunya Mafia. I would anticipate a pointed response to suspicions, but not necessarily to "I think X is good". It depends upon the player. I don't think less of sabie for the delay.

[dunya]

Oh, I thought that was peripheral. k

My thoughts: many players, particularly of the older eras of The Syndicate, haven't been raised in the respond-to-everything firestorm of JJJ or dunya Mafia. I would anticipate a pointed response to suspicions, but not necessarily to "I think X is good". It depends upon the player. I don't think less of sabie for the delay.

this response is a better look for you; it doesn't alter my opinion on the shadiness of replying to everyone but you in the thread though. i'll consider it.

anyway, i'm out, night night gang!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]sabie12[/mention], any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

G'night dunya

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will set this thread on fire.

[Epignosis]

I'm not really a worker bee type.

[sabie12]

@sabie12, any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

Maaaaaan I don't know my brain hurts I didn't know there was a quiz on the first day. Wait it's the zero day...or is it zeroth day?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sabie12, any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

Maaaaaan I don't know my brain hurts I didn't know there was a quiz on the first day. Wait it's the zero day...or is it zeroth day?

Show me the confideance to make a judgment.

[sabie12]

I'm hoping epi is my best friend, but I can't quite tell for sure yet. It'd be super cool if he is though!

[reywaS]

i need a neon church.

*burps*

[Epignosis]

I'm hoping epi is my best friend, but I can't quite tell for sure yet. It'd be super cool if he is though!

I'm no sociopath. I always know what I'm doing is wrong. I'm just a guy that doesn't like taking tests, doing work, and getting yelled at. So if you think about it, I'm the sanest person here.

[reywaS]

You guys are weird\

[reywaS]

Epig, will you be my friend?

[MacDougall]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

[Epignosis]

Epig, will you be my friend?

Come to my Spanish study group, capisce?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

So is [mention]colonialbob[/mention].

[Epignosis]

MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

So naming people and calling them evil is what works for you? That's it?

I've got this.

DUNYA IS EVIL

All caps and everything.

[reywaS]

Epig, will you be my friend?

Come to my Spanish study group, capisce?

my spanish name in high school spanish class was Jose.

Not that i remember anything i learned in spanish class other than a few random words and phrases.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So naming people and calling them evil is what works for you? That's it?

So far not much is working for me. I'll try anything.

[sabie12]

Aww man epi you're a cool dude but not my bestest friend though. Hoping one of you is! I also hope everyone shows up to class eventually.

[MacDougall]

MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

Ya got me

[Epignosis]

I've got the second part down.

I need to see how DUNYA reacts to DUNYA IS EVIL.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've got the second part down.

I need to see how DUNYA reacts to DUNYA IS EVIL.

That's not quite it, but I admire your deantermination.

[Epignosis]

I've got the second part down.

I need to see how DUNYA reacts to DUNYA IS EVIL.

That's not quite it, but I admire your deantermination.

You're right.

I have to see how other people react to it as well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is that you, Jeffrey?

[Epignosis]

I am indeed a bachelor, and I don't care what people think about the piece of paper that says I'm that. Although, I am a bachelor.

Where's Hamish? Golden! Oh Golden!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

[Epignosis]

Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

Except you. And you are literally nobody.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

[Epignosis]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

[Epignosis]

Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Civilians lose because they don't give a shit about winning. I lost in Vanilla Mafia because I didn't give a shit about winning. I didn't do work to do work.

I don't care what you do when you're bad. My methods work and you are well aware.

[MacDougall]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis: "don't pay attention to things that slaughter mafia teams like cattle over and over including in the games I host"

Bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

It's one post, Mac. What?

[Epignosis]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Civilians lose because they don't give a shit about winning. I lost in Vanilla Mafia because I didn't give a shit about winning. I didn't do work to do work.

I don't care what you do when you're bad. My methods work and you are well aware.

You lost because you faced me.

(and to greater extent, nutella)

[MacDougall]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Civilians lose because they don't give a shit about winning. I lost in Vanilla Mafia because I didn't give a shit about winning. I didn't do work to do work.

I don't care what you do when you're bad. My methods work and you are well aware.

If they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis: "don't pay attention to things that slaughter mafia teams like cattle over and over including in the games I host"

Bad.

Announcement: Jay doesn't care about the roof.

[MacDougall]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

It's one post, Mac. What?

One post that caused my dick to shrivel up inside myself and I can't find it anymore Jay. My dick has disappeared and it's your fault.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

The entire point of everything I do is to encourage other people to get more involved. You know that better than anyone. You participated in our DFS slaughter and acknowledged that the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the catalyst of that slaughter.

So why are you now giving me this crap that can do nothing but discourage my effort to recreate that environment?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You lost because you faced me.

(and to greater extent, nutella)

That's really the point. I had pretty darned good reads in that game. I didn't do anything with them, got shot, and lost. I deserved to lose.

[Epignosis]

If they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

The entire point of everything I do is to encourage other people to get more involved. You know that better than anyone. You participated in our DFS slaughter and acknowledged that the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the catalyst of that slaughter.

So why are you now giving me this crap that can do nothing but discourage my effort to recreate that environment?

I stepped in some goo. I thought this campus was clean.

[Epignosis]

I think dunya and JJJ are bad together.

[MacDougall]

If they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

The entire point of everything I do is to encourage other people to get more involved. You know that better than anyone. You participated in our DFS slaughter and acknowledged that the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the catalyst of that slaughter.

So why are you now giving me this crap that can do nothing but discourage my effort to recreate that environment?

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?