Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think dunya and JJJ are bad together.

Roll with it.

I am eager to hear anyone else's take on that dynamic or any other.

[MacDougall]

By all means Jay, you do you. You are right, it does win games.

[Epignosis]

If they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

The entire point of everything I do is to encourage other people to get more involved. You know that better than anyone. You participated in our DFS slaughter and acknowledged that the pace of Days 0 and 1 was the catalyst of that slaughter.

So why are you now giving me this crap that can do nothing but discourage my effort to recreate that environment?

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

[Epignosis]

By all means Jay, you do you. You are right, it does win games.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

[Epignosis]

I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

You forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.

[MacDougall]

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

What does that have to do with your motivation to play with your own effort?

See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

I am always happy to step back and let other civilian(s) have a go and whipping the thread into shape. I just need someone to actually say "Yes, JaggedJimmyJay, I really want to do that."

That doesn't mean I'll shut the hell up, but I don't have to be the in the spotlight. I do this because I genuinely expect that nobody else will -- especially when Sloonei is the host and dunya is strapped for time.

No you go ahead. I'm gonna pick my shots on this one.

[MacDougall]

Still yet to hear from;

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
[mention]colonialbob[/mention]
[mention]DFaraday[/mention]
[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]

I set the over under of DFaraday's post count by the time he has to be subbed out at 3.

[MacDougall]

Dunya is Mafia.

[Epignosis]

Dunya is Mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.

If 2018 is any indication, we're both garbage.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Y'all please tell me about dunya.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.

How's this

blinding me tbh

why have i never spammed a mafia game with annie edison gifs before, i don't know.

anyway, i won't be spamming much, it's past my bed time.

sloonei, what time EST is end of day/night going to be for my info.

linki: the last one is most agreeable to my eyes.

[MacDougall]

I rest my case

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can't deanbunk that.

[Epignosis]

You forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.

If 2018 is any indication, we're both garbage.

My plan is to leave you be so you can stop being garbage. When the announcement comes that says you're garbage here, I'll shut you down. Silencio?

[MacDougall]

I think Jay and Epi are civilians.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You forget that I'm the greatest civilian on this site. The numbers say as much.

If 2018 is any indication, we're both garbage.

My plan is to leave you be so you can stop being garbage. When the announcement comes that says you're garbage here, I'll shut you down. Silencio?

Such an aggressive flirter, Jeffrey.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Jay and Epi are civilians.

u 2

[Epignosis]

Other people: You have a voice. Try using it. Como se desay: Talk.

[Quin]

General alert to all civilians of Greendale:

The need for a well-paced thread is obvious. So do your best on that front, please. More than that though, let's be aware from the start that urgency is paramount if we are to win this game. There are only 12 players here, and the cycles will be 24/24. This game will be completely over in a blink; we won't have a lot of time to solve it. There is no time to waste.

I know many of y'all are now in two games. Handle that as you see fit (I will not speak of the other active game again). Just please ensure this one gets a fair portion of your attention. Thanks!

calling it day 0, jay is scum. this was his obligatory post calling for a shit ton of activity because this is what civ jay is like, whereas he enjoys to let the game ride by slower when he's scum. his post was what we typically expect of a civ jjj, but it's all a mind game. he's using language that is more courteous and less urgent, which is in conflict with the message he's trying to convey there. fight me on that.

reads as pretty urgent to me. nah.

[Quin]

dunya, read on sabie please

i was leaning town, but i didn't like how she ignored all the praise she got from you until you asked her for her opinion on it. riding it out without seeming eager? she addressed me several times, and even quoted juliets and epi, but avoided you almost deliberately. it doesn't sit right with me.

what would civilian sabie have to say about 3j's hot take read?

[Quin]

Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

Except you. And you are literally nobody.

epignosis is a civilian.

[Quin]

Y'all please tell me about dunya.

i have nothing to say about dunya




which actually means that i don't think anything she has said thus far is reflective of her alignment.

[Quin]

ok bye

[sabie12]

So sad that so many people haven't checked in yet. Guess they're not as excited about this game as I thought people would be. Come join our study group guys!

From my previous interactions with dunya and Jay I gather they both like to post a lot and get conversations going. I don't know that, that means they're good or bad more like just what they like to do.
I don't always feel like I can get super great reads on people just from the random banter on day 0.

[reywaS]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

totes agree with you here. i prefer my day 0s less text wall'y and technical. the game/player breakdowns are fine, but when i get overwhelmed reading on day 0s and sometimes day 1s i tend to lose interest in the game. Not always of course.

[colonialbob]

Sloonei, you may want to consider a slightly milder blue for your host color; it's a bit difficult to read on the gray skin. You're the boss though, boss.

How's this

[colonialbob]

MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

So is colonialbob.

Big if true

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Big if true

How do you feel about anything in the thread up to me calling you a mafioso?

[dunya]

hot lunch hour dunya take: macdougall is mafia

epi is town (also, hi jeff )

jjj is independent, probably can win with civs.

sabie is sabie i.e. town

now ask me why

[dunya]

also, quin is town.

jojo and colonialbob tbd.

[dunya]

no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

[dunya]

i have played only in one game with sabie. i thought she was pretty genuine and was disappointed when she got mislynched. but i have watched a couple other games she's played in, and it feels to me like she's very easily misunderstood or appears less than genuine sometimes and it reminds me of how lunalee is constantly mislynched for appearing too scummy.

i wasn't and still am not hot on the fact she addressed everyone in the thread (including juliets, a non-player) except the highest poster at the time who had directly referred to her twice. but i'll try to pin it down to differing playstyle, though when someone comes and townreads me on day 0 my first reaction is: why?

to that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.

[dunya]

if macdougall was town, he'd be trying to make sure it was civ-jjj leading the thread and get into some tag team action with him imo. i am most unimpressed with his contributions, even for a day 0, that he spent his time complaining and then taking it back--and that is all he contributed. nahw. even for a tuesday afternoon, dats weak sauce.

[dunya]

I've got the second part down.

I need to see how DUNYA reacts to DUNYA IS EVIL.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

I will note a grievance with Mac that I alluded to before and didn't expand on.

Orange follows green as though it is meant to explain why green is happening. That means the following assertion is being made:

"Jay, your multiparagraph post full of game theory at 2:40 PM on Tuesday discourages me from contributing, because I don't know your alignment." The connection doesn't make sense. To be annoyed by effort and to be distrustful of effort are not the same thing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

to that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.

In the post-Fire Emblem era, the dunya read gets treated with greater care. I am not particularly bothered by you to this point at least.

[dunya]

to that extent, i find it curious jjj has been so agreeable to my accusations and provided reads on almost everyone in the game except me to this point, even asking others of their opinions on me, but not offering any of his own despite our conversations.

In the post-Fire Emblem era, the dunya read gets treated with greater care. I am not particularly bothered by you to this point at least.

your read is not written in stone, y'know.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]dunya[/mention], why am I independent?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm serious though. sabie is a civilian read. I think her enthusiasm is genuine, and I don't think I'd see it so immediately had she drawn a mafia role for the first time since [whenever 2013 or something].

Really? Because if I had to wait 6 years to be mafia again I'd be like

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Really? Because if I had to wait 6 years to be mafia again I'd be like

Apparently it's been four. What do you think of sabie?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

That's cool. If you're a civilian though make sure you pay attention to what I said whether you buy me or not. It's important.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Really? Because if I had to wait 6 years to be mafia again I'd be like

Apparently it's been four. What do you think of sabie?

She's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

That's cool. If you're a civilian though make sure you pay attention to what I said whether you buy me or not. It's important.

It's interesting speculation but the conclusion isn't any different from what we are all supposed to be doing already: lynch mafia and not lynch town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

She's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So sad that so many people haven't checked in yet. Guess they're not as excited about this game as I thought people would be. Come join our study group guys!

From my previous interactions with dunya and Jay I gather they both like to post a lot and get conversations going. I don't know that, that means they're good or bad more like just what they like to do.
I don't always feel like I can get super great reads on people just from the random banter on day 0.

This game started at night and it's been like 12 hours of Day 0, geez.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

She's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.