Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

[ColinIsCool]

Because his ass is fake

[dunya]

And re: me being bad, I was maf in World Asunder (where I didn't catch suspicion until the game exploded, but there were two mafias) and a speed game wherein I was lynched D1 and my partner (speedchuck, natch) was quickly lynched D2. I don't think I've been maf in any other game here, although I was also a hostile indy in the Socky game.

i'll take a look, thank you.

[dunya]

Because his ass is fake

whose ass is faker, mine or his?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]dunya[/mention], I’m not convinced you’re actually suspicious of me. At a certain point the continued vague assertions that I am “off” become meaningless and serve only to nudge the less-than-great thread climate for me.

[dunya]

yeah, the more i look into mac the more i'm confident he's bad.

forget about the jay episode (which is what accounts for the majority of his posts ftr) look at how he tries to manipulate me and my reads too. he boasts my intuition based power usually, then on the other hand calls me rusty or bad because i disagree with him. he's trying to manipulate my self confidence. civ mac knows dunya and mac rarely see eye to eye, this is something he's said himself on numerous occasions in numerous games. questioning it now like it makes me bad because we disagree is so fake. i'm doubling down. he's bad people.

[dunya]

dunya, I’m not convinced you’re actually suspicious of me. At a certain point the continued vague assertions that I am “off” become meaningless and serve only to nudge the less-than-great thread climate for me.

i don't really care if you're not convinced. i've already said why i think you're different and it has nothing to do with post activity, so excuse me for having a read on you, but i can't give you all the civ-cred when i'm not feeling it. i cited specific examples of exchanges between us or others that i feel are not usual jay-reactions. i am basing my read off those alone and not your "post activity" or even your enthusiasm to the game. you have double my posts (and almost triple and quadruple anyone else's). there's nothing to complain about there.

[dunya]

you have indirectly used some emotional appeal in your last post though, i know you didn't mean it, but i'll lay off you (not that you were a focus for me today). i'll give you some civ cred. enjoy the game and take your own advice: offence is the best defense.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That was offense.

[dunya]

offence is the preferred british spelling. defence and defense are two things in the UK.

[dunya]

Does this player presently cause any secretions in my civilian glands?

MacDougall - yes

why?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

offence is the preferred british spelling. defence and defense are two things in the UK.

I wasn’t correcting your spelling. I was accusing you of a fake read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does this player presently cause any secretions in my civilian glands?

MacDougall - yes

why?

I could see an effort toward POE and thought it looked authentic.

[dunya]

offence is the preferred british spelling. defence and defense are two things in the UK.

I wasn’t correcting your spelling. I was accusing you of a fake read.

why would i be making a "fake read"? you haven't given any feedback on me in this game beyond putting me in a rainbow and voting for me for 2 hours. i assume you're accusing me of being mafia now, since civilians don't make fake reads.

[dunya]

but i don't mind if you correct my spelling sometimes, jay your english is flawless.

[dunya]

Does this player presently cause any secretions in my civilian glands?

MacDougall - yes

why?

I could see an effort toward POE and thought it looked authentic.

are you referring to this?

ColinIsCool - Is currently on Earth 53
colonialbob - is Mafia
DFaraday - is suspicious
Dragon D. Luffy - is town
dunya - is rusty
Epignosis - is town
JaggedJimmyJay - is t...own
novaselinenever - is with Colin on Earth 53
Quin - is currently wrestling crocs in the outback
reywas - is Mafia
sabie12 - is suspicious

If I was voting to lynch someone right now it'd be ColonialBob.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

offence is the preferred british spelling. defence and defense are two things in the UK.

I wasn’t correcting your spelling. I was accusing you of a fake read.

why would i be making a "fake read"? you haven't given any feedback on me in this game beyond putting me in a rainbow and voting for me for 2 hours. i assume you're accusing me of being mafia now, since civilians don't make fake reads.

Civilians certainly do make fake reads, but I don't know that you're the type. So yes it's bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

are you referring to this?

ColinIsCool - Is currently on Earth 53
colonialbob - is Mafia
DFaraday - is suspicious
Dragon D. Luffy - is town
dunya - is rusty
Epignosis - is town
JaggedJimmyJay - is t...own
novaselinenever - is with Colin on Earth 53
Quin - is currently wrestling crocs in the outback
reywas - is Mafia
sabie12 - is suspicious

If I was voting to lynch someone right now it'd be ColonialBob.

That's a component of it. He'd been working out civilian reads for much of the early portion of the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

le'BWOP

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are you referring to this?

ColinIsCool - Is currently on Earth 53
colonialbob - is Mafia
DFaraday - is suspicious
Dragon D. Luffy - is town
dunya - is rusty
Epignosis - is town
JaggedJimmyJay - is t...own
novaselinenever - is with Colin on Earth 53
Quin - is currently wrestling crocs in the outback
reywas - is Mafia
sabie12 - is suspicious

If I was voting to lynch someone right now it'd be ColonialBob.

That's a component of it. He'd been working out civilian reads for much of the early portion of the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh wait you do have a bad man read on me.

I have civ reads on DDL and Jay. Why are you and I on such different pages here?

Also why did you put yourself in your rainbow, that is such a ping to me.

This post looks horrendously fake though, and I would vote for Mac on that basis alone.

[dunya]

offence is the preferred british spelling. defence and defense are two things in the UK.

I wasn’t correcting your spelling. I was accusing you of a fake read.

why would i be making a "fake read"? you haven't given any feedback on me in this game beyond putting me in a rainbow and voting for me for 2 hours. i assume you're accusing me of being mafia now, since civilians don't make fake reads.

Civilians certainly do make fake reads, but I don't know that you're the type. So yes it's bad.

you're avoiding what i'm after. let me ask you point blank: do you think i'm mafia, jay?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"Why are you and I on such different pages here?" is the least authentic sentence in the history of [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

you're avoiding what i'm after. let me ask you point blank: do you think i'm mafia, jay?

No.

[dunya]

Oh wait you do have a bad man read on me.

I have civ reads on DDL and Jay. Why are you and I on such different pages here?

Also why did you put yourself in your rainbow, that is such a ping to me.

This post looks horrendously fake though, and I would vote for Mac on that basis alone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac not knowing dunya suspects him when this post exists while he is casting suspicion on her is a big pile of crap. He isn't reading posts.

Got 'em.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The DFaraday wagon looks like bullshit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]dunya[/mention], why should I trust Epignosis?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not sure a mafia Colin arrives late to the game and decides "I guess I'll get started by ratting the nests of both dunya and MacDougall".

[dunya]

dunya, why should I trust Epignosis?

honestly, this is mostly gut for me. i am not pinged by him so far. i feel like his roleplay has been in character with what i expect of epi on day0/day1. i loved the pairing of me and you being bad together suggestion. i love how he teased you about me being bad, and waiting to see my reaction. this playful side of him and exchange with you specifically took me back to elaine/jerry. i know epi would complain about long walls of mechanical game texts on day 0 and he did it in character, in a sincere way that is agreeable with me, as opposed to how macdougall or ddl approached it imo.

i also like that he isn't limited or narrowed down. he's flung shit in several directions, the whole DF bandwagon was probably his suggestion first and he isn't even on it, so that's revealing about who is on it now. he's been theorizing and offering good reads. he's been present, pushing for more people to vote. i like his tempo, i like his initiative, i don't find anything fake in how he's handled himself (in character and out).

[dunya]

I am not sure a mafia Colin arrives late to the game and decides "I guess I'll get started by ratting the nests of both dunya and MacDougall".

indeed. only if he's w/w with mac

[dunya]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention], do you still feel good about sabie?

[dunya]

The DFaraday wagon looks like bullshit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay, do you still feel good about sabie?

I still have a positive gut read. It's tentative in that I'd like to see more reading and less talk about how hard it is to make reads -- I don't know that that's inconsistent with her typical play though.

[DFaraday]

i like DF's contributions. his sentiments echo my own, apart from his Epi suspicions. he's only made 5 posts; i don't like the 3 votes on him right now. screams scapegoat to me.

the only thing i wasn't too hot on is the transition between focusing on epi and being able to read epi to voting for mac, someone whose intentions he claims are harder for him to get a feel on. but even so, he gave good rationale for voting for mac unlike some other people in the thread tbh. i've never played with him before, i'd like to see more of him and see what he can offer. i won't be voting for him today.

A lot of great movies have a sacrificial lamb to motivate the survivors to band together and win the day. If I have to I'm fine with being the Coulson to your Avengers, the Apollo Creed to your Rocky, the Sean Connery in the Untouchables to your everyone else in the Untouchables. At the very least it would expose the people piling on to the vague and weak bandwagon forming around me.

As for Epi, I did feel worse about his approach to JJJ than I did Mac's, but in reviewing Mac's other posts I began to feel more strongly about him overall.

[DFaraday]

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

So do you have anything to say that actually addresses Dunya's points?

[VOTE: MACDOUGALL] aubergine

You would rather me address Dunya's points, who is currently not scum reading me, as opposed to yours who is voting for me. Why would that be?

Perhaps it is because you would rather incite violence between Dunya and I than get your own hands burned by the bright flame of MacScrewgall? Hmmm?

I didn't say I don't want you to address my points. As it is, you're not really addressing anyone's points.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have voted for numerous people throughout Day 1 and haven't felt much inspiration from that. I feel pretty good sitting on this Macwagon though. Given that a couple people here have voiced, correctly or incorrectly, that sometimes dunya's intuitions are difficult to translate and understand, I will serve as the interpreter. Case coming.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

hope DF can come and talk to us some more. looks like the gang is ganging up on you and it's lame you're not here to defend yourself.

i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member.

uninspired after reading sabie's three posts up there, was hoping for more. why do you find DDL "suspicious" for example?

unimpressed with reywaS' contribs. i thought he was a more involved player.. could this be his low-activity scum performance?

still feel shit about DDL. still feel best about Epignosis. feeling better about cbob (i have never seen a scum cbob though. has this happened..?)

still feel something is off with JJJ.

gut tells me there's scum between DDL, Mac, sabie/reywaS and JJJ.

that's my 4-player pool for today.

i'll get to quin in a bit.

Paragraph 1 reminds me why I think you're teammates with DF.

Paragraph 2 is just disgusting.

Sabie case is flat.

Reywas case is flat.

Then comes a lot of salad.

You're bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be fair, dunya sticking "sabie/reywaS" in that goofy pairing to complete a "4" player pool is whacke.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

i like DF's contributions. his sentiments echo my own, apart from his Epi suspicions. he's only made 5 posts; i don't like the 3 votes on him right now. screams scapegoat to me.

the only thing i wasn't too hot on is the transition between focusing on epi and being able to read epi to voting for mac, someone whose intentions he claims are harder for him to get a feel on. but even so, he gave good rationale for voting for mac unlike some other people in the thread tbh. i've never played with him before, i'd like to see more of him and see what he can offer. i won't be voting for him today.

"I need to defend DF but let's post a beef so that I don't look too suspicious for it".

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

[dunya]

at least i got you to come out of hiding, ddl

[Dragon D. Luffy]

at least i got you to come out of hiding, ddl

"Hiding"

Can I look at your post times and call any interval of time you are not post "hiding" too?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Beefs with MacDougall

Spoiler: show

MacDougall is a member of the mafia faction.

Ya got me

"I will read anyone who has made one post." I had said. Mac's first post was an irrelevant video, so I made my initial read. His response was timid, mock-carelessness.

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If they work then that's cool, go ahead and win us the game. If you're gonna take up this role there's not a whole lot of room for other people who like to lead the dance to do so and that's fine. I'll just sit on the sidelines and issue you intermittent support.

Mac says he likes to antagonize me early in games. This isn't really antagonizing, it's just discouraging. "Go ahead and do what you do even though it makes other people feel bad and small and less-than-worthy." Fuck that bullshit. And this bullshit

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See I don't even know what kind of question that is. I am squinting at the sentence just to try to understand it. My motivation to play with my own effort? Nope, brain still struggling with Jaytalk... C'mon brain, process this information! What!? Why is this so hard brain!?

Nope sorry I don't understand what you're saying.

The implication that "Jaytalk" is hard to understand is further discouragement. Fuck that.

"dunya is being too basic" -- first of all, that wasn't really even "basic". Second, expecting great depth in any description of any Day 0 read is absolute garbage.

This is just a lie. Mac doesn't antagonize me because he "doesn't trust me". He antagonizes me because he enjoys antagonizing me.

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Oh wait you do have a bad man read on me.

I have civ reads on DDL and Jay. Why are you and I on such different pages here?

Also why did you put yourself in your rainbow, that is such a ping to me.

Mac has voiced suspicion of dunya on more than one occasion including direct responses to her suspicions of him. She did not change her stance at any point. Mac does not know her read on him despite her being one of his oft-mentioned suspects. He isn't actually reading her posts to any depth (remember that?)

The highlighted thing is textbook mafioso. The last sentence is not a real thing that anyone cares about.

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With the exception of Jay having his usual tinfoily reservations towards Epi and Quin tinfoiling Jay I think we have a good town core here. I am quite confident that Jay, Quin, Epi and DDL are all civilians. ColonialBob, Dunya and DFaraday would be the ones I'm most suspicious of.

The best way to avoid early POE is to inject oneself into the construction of a "town core". No.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Conditioning Colin's status as best new player to not reading dunya as bad is a disgusting piece of manipulation.

It's not civilian thought proccess.

[dunya]

To be fair, dunya sticking "sabie/reywaS" in that goofy pairing to complete a "4" player pool is whacke.

not really, i feel like both of them are almost bordering on lurking behavior. i don't wanna overstep about sabie, since she seems to have personal issues i guess (funeral and whatnot), but i expect more activity from both of them than i got. sabie when she is on is saying how difficult it is to make reads, or that she will make reads, or or. she was active and chose to stay in character without giving us much in content really and it is different from her previous 3 games that i've seen. in contrast, in this specific game, epi gave us character and content. reywas coming on to say he will be more active, and not being active... i felt both of them are exhibiting similar behavior in that regard, and it makes me wary of them both.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be fair, dunya sticking "sabie/reywaS" in that goofy pairing to complete a "4" player pool is whacke.

not really, i feel like both of them are almost bordering on lurking behavior. i don't wanna overstep about sabie, since she seems to have personal issues i guess (funeral and whatnot), but i expect more activity from both of them than i got. sabie when she is on is saying how difficult it is to make reads, or that she will make reads, or or. she was active and chose to stay in character without giving us much in content really and it is different from her previous 3 games that i've seen. in contrast, in this specific game, epi gave us character and content. reywas coming on to say he will be more active, and not being active... i felt both of them are exhibiting similar behavior in that regard, and it makes me wary of them both.

Your slash mark indicates a "one or the other" dynamic. If it isn't, then that means your four-player POE was a five-player POE. Your explanation here doesn't tell me why you stuck them together.

[dunya]

Conditioning Colin's status as best new player to not reading dunya as bad is a disgusting piece of manipulation.

It's not civilian thought proccess.

that's not what i did. i said i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

get yer facts straight, buster and don't misrepresent someone who is online and ready to call you out on that bs.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

[dunya]

To be fair, dunya sticking "sabie/reywaS" in that goofy pairing to complete a "4" player pool is whacke.

not really, i feel like both of them are almost bordering on lurking behavior. i don't wanna overstep about sabie, since she seems to have personal issues i guess (funeral and whatnot), but i expect more activity from both of them than i got. sabie when she is on is saying how difficult it is to make reads, or that she will make reads, or or. she was active and chose to stay in character without giving us much in content really and it is different from her previous 3 games that i've seen. in contrast, in this specific game, epi gave us character and content. reywas coming on to say he will be more active, and not being active... i felt both of them are exhibiting similar behavior in that regard, and it makes me wary of them both.

Your slash mark indicates a "one or the other" dynamic. If it isn't, then that means your four-player POE was a five-player POE. Your explanation here doesn't tell me why you stuck them together.

yes, one or the other. i don't think a mafia team of 2 (i think sloonei would have opted for a s/a in this setup, the community theme begs for it) would both decide to lurk. i feel like if there's mafia in there it's not gonna both. and i just said they're both exhibiting lurking behavior.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Conditioning Colin's status as best new player to not reading dunya as bad is a disgusting piece of manipulation.

It's not civilian thought proccess.

that's not what i did. i said i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

get yer facts straight, buster and don't misrepresent someone who is online and ready to call you out on that bs.

Why not?

You act like he carefully ranked every post in the thread up to that point and decided your post was the #1 most scummy.

When realistically, he probably skimmed the thread, saw your post, and thought "that's scummy imma vote here first".

[dunya]

i find impossible to believe colin would read the thread and decide that first post i made towards jay as the most supicious and vote-worthy thing in the game.

Why do you find that impossible?

because the thread progressed a lot from there, including that initial suspicion, my reads and expansions.