Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

My role is to control the microphone.

Epi, what'd you do to Mac?

He gave me the microphone.

That's all I do. I keep it or pass it on.

Now pay attention:

Hence "Jay targeted me night 1 and then went all tinfoily weirdo on me on night 2 so I doubt he's the cop"

Oh sorry that whole exchange confused me.

Didn't Jay say he saw epi giving the mic to you?

I tracked Jay night 1 and saw him target me
I tracked Epi night 2 and saw HIM target me

Jay also saw Epi target me, not explicitly how. He could have been watching me. That being said there is no double targeting so Jay watching me two nights in a row kind of doesn't add up.

I kept the mic Day 2.
I gave the mic to you Day 3.
I kept the mic Day 4.

That's a lot of broadcasting for me to go out killing people, right?

Night 1 - Nova sent in the kill.
Night 2 - Nova sent in the kill.
Night 3 - Nova sent in the kill.

[Epignosis]

I don't kill dunya and JJJ early. I'd rather fool them. Mac wants to bus his teammates. I hate doing that too.

[MacDougall]

I appreciate the defensive effort Epi. Really. Give it a red hot go please. By all means. I'll watch and clap for you.

[MacDougall]

I don't kill dunya and JJJ early. I'd rather fool them. Mac wants to bus his teammates. I hate doing that too.

[Epignosis]

I'm fine. If I am lynched, they'll see all I do is pass the mic.

Then it's your turn.

[MacDougall]

I'm fine. If I am lynched, they'll see all I do is pass the mic.

Then it's your turn.

[Epignosis]

I love it when bussers get caught.

[Epignosis]

Update that bus schedule Mac.

LMAO

[MacDougall]

Update that bus schedule Mac.

LMAO

[Sloonei]

Day 3

[Epignosis]

Sorry about that leetic. We got this my dude.

[Epignosis]

Well I won't be here all day tomorrow so that sucks.

[MacDougall]

You know we're going to lynch you right. You could just concede.

[Epignosis]

You know we're going to lynch you right. You could just concede.

No, you're not going to lynch me right.

Take a grammar course, you neanderthal.

[MacDougall]

Except we are going to lynch you. It will be right. The game will end. You will lose. Stop wasting my time.

[Epignosis]

Study buddy suggestion:

Don't lynch your best teammate Day 1.

[Epignosis]

I'll be the roundabout

The words will make you out and out

[MacDougall]

Except no

[MacDougall]

Where is my backup. I am going 1v1 with Voldemort on my own here. This is shit.

[Quin]

Where is my backup. I am going 1v1 with Voldemort on my own here. This is shit.

I'm at uni. I'll do stuff when I get home.

As far as I'm concerned the only confirmed civilian here is Colin. You just don't vig your own teammate out of the blue at this stage in the game.

Mac and DF have good reasons to stay out of my PoE. That's it.

[MacDougall]

Where is my backup. I am going 1v1 with Voldemort on my own here. This is shit.

I'm at uni. I'll do stuff when I get home.

As far as I'm concerned the only confirmed civilian here is Colin. You just don't vig your own teammate out of the blue at this stage in the game.

Mac and DF have good reasons to stay out of my PoE. That's it.

DDL has enough anti Nova content to put massive space between himself and Epi dude. It's gotta be Epi.

[Quin]

I'm going to take a dump on everyone still alive.

[Quin]

Nobody is safe from the Quinfo dump.

[Quin]

The dunya post in question:

General alert to all civilians of Greendale:

The need for a well-paced thread is obvious. So do your best on that front, please. More than that though, let's be aware from the start that urgency is paramount if we are to win this game. There are only 12 players here, and the cycles will be 24/24. This game will be completely over in a blink; we won't have a lot of time to solve it. There is no time to waste.

I know many of y'all are now in two games. Handle that as you see fit (I will not speak of the other active game again). Just please ensure this one gets a fair portion of your attention. Thanks!

calling it day 0, jay is scum. this was his obligatory post calling for a shit ton of activity because this is what civ jay is like, whereas he enjoys to let the game ride by slower when he's scum. his post was what we typically expect of a civ jjj, but it's all a mind game. he's using language that is more courteous and less urgent, which is in conflict with the message he's trying to convey there. fight me on that.

I guess reading it back it could be that thing where you just come in and start shit to start the game, but this felt especially forced to me

He earlier describes this dunya versus 3J thing as "token" or "forced". Wholly unspecific.

If I were to change my vote, which is possible, as of now it’d be to Mac.

He later says it's because "his ass is fake". He calls Mac fake even before this. It's another unspecific accusation any scum could throw out there and justify with some soul read garbo if pressed about it. In fact, it's what I planned to do to Mac in whatever game I was last bad in. He votes for Mac a few hours after this. Later on in the read I find he explains this further. He just defines what token means. GARBAGE!

Can’t wait for the big dumb meat slab that comes along and gets everyone to vote in a landslide for reywaS or whoever

I don't know why this post exists. Everyone's giving reads on dunya and DDL at the time ITT, both of which he felt good about. I don't know what reywas had to do with anything. He can tell us all about it.

$50 mac and cbob are w/w. any takers?

I'll vote for cbob and make this wager interesting

[VOTE: CBOB] aubergine

This is his first reference to bob and I just shat myself.

I don't think Epignosis's post history would be a difficult one to assemble as a mafioso.

Agree

I don't even know what 3J means so I don't know how Colin can agree with it.

i still love epi from this lynch. he could have easily gone to mac to save cbob, and would have if he and bob were on the same team imo. same for quin.

Epi is an evil genius and I will not give him credit for anything

Fence sitting.

So I think we ought to see who attempted to redirect from cbob, even if they ended up voting for him. And maybe especially if they ended up voting for him.

This never happened.

I want to lynch Epi, DDL, or nova today. Maybe rey or Quin but they aren't at the top of POE. Not sabie, I think she checks out.

This is the first time he has mentioned about half of the people on this list.

Then, this series of posts:

Nova's vote for me and insistence on staying there is the most Bob friendly thing anyone in the game has done

Good point

Actually nah it’s probably Epi. I see more of what I’ve come to expect from his civ play than I do from the scum Epi I observed in Vanilla.

I shat myself again.

It's not gonna matter so I'm not moving my vote.

This is "token".

If the PoE is “everyone who didn’t vote for Bob,” why are you saying you want me lynched? Why is Jay saying he wants me lynched?

Gee, it’s almost like ... people have different PoEs ... or you’re lying ... gee, a real brainbuster ...

did anybody actually ever say this or had colin just had too much cough syrup at the time?

I think Epi is a civ. I don’t know if I like that.

Jesus christ.

[Quin]

I have an existing perception of how DF plays mafia. He never gets in the thick of things and plays from the sidelines to make reading him difficult, regardless of his alignment.

Boy, I was struggling to find anything to shit on him with, but I didn't disappoint myself.

Something smells funky. Recommend reassessment across the board, including of MacDougall. I am very pressed for time today, but I will try my best.

Do you mean regarding Sabie's lynch? Because that felt pretty shady to me. I don't see any reason for Sabie to get lynched, especially early in the game with plenty of options on the table.

DF taking advantage of hindsight to call out the sabie wagon with the weakest accusation I've seen yet. "Why would you lynch sabie when you could've not lynched sabie?" If reasons for her to be lynched didn't exist then she wouldn't have had 4 votes.

I’ve seen enough movies to know when someone is acting. [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

This seems almost ironic when you consider leetic's cop claim. Going by the timestamp he must've been the one to hit the nail in the coffin with this one, or close enough to it to see the lack of a counterclaim.

[Quin]

Colin is a big dumdum if he's bad. It's not impossible but highly improbable.
With one scum left, counterclaiming solves the game. Since nobody has claimed doctor, that makes DF alright in my book.

I didn't have any trouble seeing scum Colin in the issues I brought out. I did have trouble seeing scum DF.

Nevertheless, Colin and DF are closest to being confirmed town as you could get right now. I still wanted a form a read besides that, hence including them in the exercise.


I just wanted to point this all out before I start reading the rest.

[MacDougall]

Why would you start with the guy you have the most reason to read civilian. What is the purpose of this shit?

[Quin]

Why would you start with the guy you have the most reason to read civilian. What is the purpose of this shit?

Purely alphabetical. I'll be done before everyone wakes up anyway.

[MacDougall]

I am telling you it's very obviously Epi. If you would bother to read my posts you would see that. He literally did not put one iota of pressure or suspicion on either of the dead Mafia. It is near impossible for a civ Epi to do that.

Linki: If you fall asleep before doing everyone then I'm gonna burn your face.

[Quin]

It's the opposite of operation trustfall.

[MacDougall]

It's a major waste of your time. It's Epignosis and it's obvious. The only other candidate is DDL and I cleared him because of his Nova interactions. I've already done this for you. Epignosis is very very obviously the teammate of both dead Mafia. Not maybe one and definitely the other. Definitely both.

[Quin]

I am telling you it's very obviously Epi. If you would bother to read my posts you would see that. He literally did not put one iota of pressure or suspicion on either of the dead Mafia. It is near impossible for a civ Epi to do that.

Linki: If you fall asleep before doing everyone then I'm gonna burn your face.

I will read your posts. But I'm not going to take your word for it because you're throwing it in my face. You underestimate how much attention I've actually paid to the thread so far. There's still a whole 12 hours to go. This is how I'm spending it.

If I fall asleep I'd burn my face off too. I want to read some more before bed.

[MacDougall]

I read through every single Epignosis post in the game to find posts in which he discussed or engaged both dead Mafia and there was next to nothing. Like so little that it's effectively nothing.

[Quin]

I read through every single Epignosis post in the game to find posts in which he discussed or engaged both dead Mafia and there was next to nothing. Like so little that it's effectively nothing.

Explain to me why this is a problem.

[MacDougall]

I read through every single Epignosis post in the game to find posts in which he discussed or engaged both dead Mafia and there was next to nothing. Like so little that it's effectively nothing.

Explain to me why this is a problem.

Two dead Mafia confirmed in a game with 1700 posts and Epignosis managed to avoid putting pressure or accusing either of them. Voted off wagon both times. Cast the vote that put Leetic tied with Nova.

It's just obvious. I am shocked that you asked me that question quite frankly.

Day 1. Of course he doesn't pressure his teammates and doesn't want his Godfather lynched. So he votes off wagon and pushes dialogue elsewhere as best he can. He does this despite having an unflappable civilian read on me. Civ reads me, ignores my case making entirely. Bob flips Mafia.

After he lost one teammate it makes sense that he would avoid placing undue pressure on his only surviving teammate. He contributed nothing to the Nova suspicion.

Now magically he is adamant that I am Mafia and I am his only fucking suspect mind you despite me driving the Bob wagon and hounding Nova for fucking days.

He picked me to target because he's dead to rights and if he pulls off convincing you all I am bad and lynching me it'll make him feel better for decimating his teammates.

[MacDougall]

Don't out think this. Don't get convinced that there is bussing or other such nonsense at play. The guy that tried to lynch civilians over his teammates and succeeded twice is the Mafia. The guy that cast no suspicion on the dead Mafia is the teammate. Lock it up.

[Quin]

I read through every single Epignosis post in the game to find posts in which he discussed or engaged both dead Mafia and there was next to nothing. Like so little that it's effectively nothing.

Explain to me why this is a problem.

Two dead Mafia confirmed in a game with 1700 posts and Epignosis managed to avoid putting pressure or accusing either of them. Voted off wagon both times. Cast the vote that put Leetic tied with Nova.

It's just obvious. I am shocked that you asked me that question quite frankly.

Day 1. Of course he doesn't pressure his teammates and doesn't want his Godfather lynched. So he votes off wagon and pushes dialogue elsewhere as best he can. He does this despite having an unflappable civilian read on me. Civ reads me, ignores my case making entirely. Bob flips Mafia.

After he lost one teammate it makes sense that he would avoid placing undue pressure on his only surviving teammate. He contributed nothing to the Nova suspicion.

Now magically he is adamant that I am Mafia and I am his only fucking suspect mind you despite me driving the Bob wagon and hounding Nova for fucking days.

He picked me to target because he's dead to rights and if he pulls off convincing you all I am bad and lynching me it'll make him feel better for decimating his teammates.

Thanks. I'm only asking because I've been at a stage where I'm so confused about things relating to my thesis I'm too drained to put the effort in elsewhere. I just want to catch up so I can make informed decisions for myself.

As for you, my natural thought process was to go read and reywas's posts, because I suspect he cleared you on Night 1. I'm not lynching you at this point.

[Quin]

I'd say Mac, based on D1.

Can you give me an ascending-rank order of suspicions after Mac with at least a few names?

Mac
JJJ
Quin
Colin
DF
Epignosis
DDL
nova

Mac confirmed civilian.

[Quin]

Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

Mac and Epi both got crapped out for calling out a 3J mechanical breakdown post. DDL never did. So here, I'm crapping on you, DDL.

You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

That's cool. If you're a civilian though make sure you pay attention to what I said whether you buy me or not. It's important.

It's interesting speculation but the conclusion isn't any different from what we are all supposed to be doing already: lynch mafia and not lynch town.

Philosophical nothingness. Admit it DDL, this was just the polite way of saying "Ah, shut up Jay."

I wanna join the "baseless unexplained day 0 alignment call" thing too.

"What is up, fellow civilians?" I farted.

i like DF's contributions. his sentiments echo my own, apart from his Epi suspicions. he's only made 5 posts; i don't like the 3 votes on him right now. screams scapegoat to me.

the only thing i wasn't too hot on is the transition between focusing on epi and being able to read epi to voting for mac, someone whose intentions he claims are harder for him to get a feel on. but even so, he gave good rationale for voting for mac unlike some other people in the thread tbh. i've never played with him before, i'd like to see more of him and see what he can offer. i won't be voting for him today.

"I need to defend DF but let's post a beef so that I don't look too suspicious for it".

You could say this about anyone making an open-minded point about anything.

Conditioning Colin's status as best new player to not reading dunya as bad is a disgusting piece of manipulation.

It's not civilian thought proccess.

I don't understand why this is disgusting or uncivilian. Please expand.

It's manipulative. "You suspect me? You are not as good as this game as I thought you were". The goal of a sentence like this is not to figure things out, it's to disencourage the other person from doing that. This is villain talk.

Completely makes up a quote to represent his interpretation of a conversation with dunya rather than talking about the actual post with other people (lol nah, he actually did what i expected after, but only to further pursue dunya. NEXT!)

I'm getting a civ vibe from Mac. Though I've been wrong about that civ vibe before.

Fence sitting at its finest.

I hate this Mac lynch.

4 hours left on the clock judging by the time stamp. Anyone take a guess at what DDL did next? Nada.

i also don't understand why mac thinks cbob is hiding in my cleavage when i never stopped throwing shade and suspecting cbob. i've been questioning his tone all game.

and to answer your question, jay, i'm really unsure how far macdougall would go with the wiofm and bussing cbob so hard right now. but i distinctly remember how i felt the cbob post in his iso prior to the bandwagon on him, feeling very team-mate distancy by how soft his accusations were at the time and the fact he only did a case on cbob and then didn't even follow up on it or do anything with it, chasing df instead. felt fake.

This post.

This post would be bad in a vaccum but ultimately forgivable. The problem is what happens afterwards.

She wants people to know she is throwing shade at bob.

But this is her last mention of Bob until the last 30 seconds when she finally votes him. Between the two things, she spends the entire EoD trying to get anyone but Bob lynched. Anyone. Whatever it takes. She switches around, listens to other people when they talk about Mac and nova, but refuses to acknowledge bob's existance except for that small time interval where bob decides to antagonize her out of nowhere.

Never mind that mac's point is not an attack against dunya, it's just that dunya is being pocketed by Bob. This means she did not understand Bob's point. The fact she feels the need to defend against a possible w/w accusation that doesn't exist because she did not understand a post could suggest a baddie who is paranoid about not being associated to teammates.

The nerdy girl is up to no good. She appears adorable but I think I saw her cheating at the exam.

I have a whole thing in my ISO where I talk about why I don't like this post.

Spoiler: show

DDL fought the Mac's lynch and was consistent about it. I don't see why he would do that. I don't think it was tmi but rather genuine concern.

Come on Nova I don't need to spell out why a Mafia would defend a known civ do I? It's a fundamental tactic.

It's the way he went about it. He reads genuine as fuck, and I don't think he'd be that obvious so that's why I don't think it's tmi.

What way would he have gone about it if he was Mafia?

Beats me but it sure as hell doesn't look like this. What does he gain from doing these kind of posts? He wasn't actively defending you to actually gain anything if you ended up getting lynched. More like a confused dude

I'm getting a civ vibe from Mac. Though I've been wrong about that civ vibe before.

I hate this Mac lynch.

You are underestimating or intentionally downplaying DDL's skills if you think he isn't capable of that.

DDL defended me all day but when push came to shove he didn't vote with me even though he had his own reservations towards Bob. There's an argument that he is the most suspect player in the game right now for that alone.

I wasn't even here at EoD.

I started chatting with family about politics. Then I remembed I might miss the EoD, but the chat was good and was also about how phones make people dumb (so I wasnt about to grab a phone in the middle of the chat lol).

I decided I was satisfied about my dunya vote. I though Mac's Bob case made sense but wasn't sold enough on it to put my vote. I also thought Mac felt civ but wasn't super confident on it either. So I made a "this mac lynch sux" post to attempt to throw some chaos into that EoD I didn't like, and left.

In which he explains why he never goes anywhere with his Day 1 post. It's underwhelming.

I made my instructions clear. If you don’t have such a clear idea of who to kill then, hm, maybe you ought to reconsider the notion I should use it?

You are not in a position to negotiate. If you refuse to use your role, I'll assume you are lying about it and lynch you.

Forcing the vig to use their shot now because he's bad and probably wouldn't get shot himself if he was leading the charge?

[MacDougall]

Reywas tracked Sabie and cleared her. Leetic told us that. Didn't use the second shot.

[Quin]

Jinkies.

[Quin]

That's for you and everybody else to decide, senor.

How dean you feel about this one?

I have a mild suspicion of DDL. Nothing worth voting him over.

He speaks "Portuguese" so he really isn't that helpful.

His comment isn't much different from what I said, and I don't suspect myself.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Pairing me with DDL because we voted together is weaker than weakness's little baby nephew who has a cleft palate, and what's even weaker than that is that you had to pair that notion with the (three-year-old) fact that I don't post as much as I used to, as though it's significant.

If we're talking about what could be a "mild" suspicion, sabie here is it. Not to mention the post itself is not "They voted together so they're bad" but "They're both bad and they're voting together so yeah, they're probably bad".

I read the EoD1 and commented as I went. This is the raw, unedited result:

mac attack starts the bob case (1)
jay tries to push nova lynch
dunya makes a bet mac/bob are w/w but keeps pushing mac
dunya gradually throwing shit on bob
dunya makes sure people know she's been throwing shit on bob
nova votes mac
dunya votes nova
colin votes bob (2)
quin votes bob (3)
dunya reminds people that she thinks nova and mac are bad
jay agrees nova is a civ
dunya moves back to mac
bob votes dunya
epi says he prefer to lynch sabie
reywas doesn't like the mac wagon and might vote for bob
jay agrees with epi
jay says he's not inspired by the bob case
dunya reaffirms she'll vote mac or nova
jay says he suspects nova more
jay demands mac elaborates on the bob case for him to vote. does the same for nova re: sabie
quin attacks nova
jay votes nova
mac begs people to vote bob
dunya voices concern over being wrong about bob
jay votes bob (4)
dunya votes bob (5)

Who cares?

Same kind of thing as when he called out 3J for mechanics talk. Except this time I don't view is as evocative as much as downputting.

Who "forced" sabie into saying things she claims were forced?

It is so hard to believe that you can't see past exaggerated words from an extremely conversational player.

I was just laying around watching shows, and something occurred to me. I want to check it out now before I pass out and forget.

When I looked into bob's interactions with Epi, I observed that Epi hadn't interacted with bob at all. He replied within two minutes:

Bunch of other dropouts I didn't mention either, padre.

Okay. So let's see. Did Epignosis mention this player even once during Day 0/1?

ColinIsCool - Yes
colonialbob - No, not at all
DFaraday - Yes, numerous times
Dragon D. Luffy - Yes, numerous times
dunya - Yes, numerous times
JaggedJimmyJay - Yes, numerous times
MacDougall - Yes, numerous times
novaselineneer - No, not directly
Quin - Yes, numerous times
reywaS - Yes
sabie12 - Yes, numerous times

Bullshit confirmed.

I just wanted to see if you would actually do this.

Bullshit.

I believe Colin is bad.

I believe DFaraday is not bad (taking a wait-and-see approach).

I don't believe DDL is bad.

I don't believe JJJ is bad.

I am ambivalent on leetic.

I don't believe MacDougall is bad.

I am ambivalent on nova.

I am ambivalent on Quin.

There's my head. Head and shoulders above the rest.

When did you start doing GTH's?

I have no idea why people are accepting a 7-2 lynch here, especially since there is no proof (like a negative cop result) that I am scum. Mafia is just taking advantage of an easy opportunity, and you better have a damn good plan for the next day.

And secondly, if you're the cop, how many cops are in here?

Got em.

And I shat myself. How has this still not been addressed?

[Quin]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

This is a long back and forth with Jay over the mechanical breakdown post. 3J does this practically every game. The fact that has a full on back and forth over it reads like he's intentionally flooding the thread despite talking about how he doesn't want that to happen.

no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

Agree with stuff people have said about this being an attempt to wave off suspicion, or however they put it.

Spoiler: show

I agree with his general sentiment that an isolated "call out" of my mechanics post is a suspicious thing. I direct that at DDL primarily.

DF directed it at nobody and didn't answer me when I asked him to gimme names, so that's bad. I feel no compulsion to call him a civilian.

Sorry for being at work?

I was referring to Epi and Mac, but more so Epi since Mac didn't actually imply that the charting meant that JJJ was bad. These posts from Epi show him suggesting that JJJ's efforts were a Mafia smokescreen:

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

If Epi can offer evidence that JJJ primarily does this sort of analysis as a baddie but not as a civ I'll reconsider, but as it is I don't buy his reasoning here.

I thought that Epi was doing it as a way to gauge 3J's alignment. No idea about Mac though.

In Mac's case it did come across as trying to discourage JJJ's analysis by making his confusion with JJJ's methods highly visible, but his motive for doing so is harder for me to get a read on than Epi's posts. However I was just going over Mac's posts and this is suspect to me.

no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

He doesn't deny or even defend himself here, and actually says that Dunya has a logical case. But his reason for suspecting her is that she normally would put together a more complex case? To me this comes across as Mac trying to deflect rather than engage with Dunya. I'll likely be voting Mac or Epi today.

So do you have anything to say that actually addresses Dunya's points?

[VOTE: MACDOUGALL] aubergine

You would rather me address Dunya's points, who is currently not scum reading me, as opposed to yours who is voting for me. Why would that be?

Perhaps it is because you would rather incite violence between Dunya and I than get your own hands burned by the bright flame of MacScrewgall? Hmmm?

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Again, waving off suspicion.

Jay is it just me or is there less friction between Dunya and Epignosis than there should be?

This post means nothing. I don't know why it exists. dunya vs Epi is not a *thing* that I'm aware of.

Jay being Mafia is worthy of zero consideration.

Buddying.

Eh I'm changing my vote to Leetic too. All the cool kids are voting for Leetic.

Mac was apparently so strongly anti-nova but then votes leetic because everyone else is. And I just crapped my pants.

[Quin]

Going off of those ISO's alone, my order of preference to lynch is Epi > Mac > DDL. If I take into account Day 1, which Mac came out of looking extremely good, he's after DDL.

So for now, voting Epi and I'll see what everyone else has to say when I get up tomorrow.

Because now I want ice cream and sleep.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So it's either Mac or Epi and only one of them has good vote tracking.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Sorry Epi it's not you it's PoE she has a huge ass.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If Epi flips civ we can move to the hardcore tinfoiling.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I made my instructions clear. If you don’t have such a clear idea of who to kill then, hm, maybe you ought to reconsider the notion I should use it?

You are not in a position to negotiate. If you refuse to use your role, I'll assume you are lying about it and lynch you.

Forcing the vig to use their shot now because he's bad and probably wouldn't get shot himself if he was leading the charge?

Oh come on Quin, that's the best thing I did in the entire game.

[ColinIsCool]

Colin is a big dumdum if he's bad ... I didn't have any trouble seeing scum Colin in the issues I brought out.

I feel so beloved sometimes

[ColinIsCool]

Quin’s exercise is something I’ve seen a lot from civ 3J. It’s irritated me in the past because it gets me caught — which is not to say that Mac is bad, but that I think Quin’s good.

[ColinIsCool]

If we have an indie, I’m guessing they are a survivor-ish role, or incompatible with the civs to an extent.