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[Lunalee]

@sprityo is replacing @speedchuck.

Please do not talk about replacement actions in the game. Thank you.

oh, I missed this. Welcome sprityo!

[Lunalee]

Sincere Question: Is it typical these days to scroll through the Archives for historical comparison purposes? Just seems like a lot (not a criticism or suggestion you shouldn't do it) and wondered if it's an atypical amount.

I do it if I'm not familiar with a player or if someone mentions that some ones behavior is showing a pattern but I don't do it a lot. You're right, it takes time and I don't always have that.

Yeah, I've thought about doing that, but it's just never really worth my time. Not a bad idea though if you have time to spare and get a lot from reading old games.

[MacDougall]

Here are the Day 1 callouts of who was civ up to Mac's request:

Nova calls for 2 town reads, 2 scum reads:
Sloonei reiterates luna an nova as town
Dunya says everyone is town except 2 of Julie’s, Mongoose, Colin, speed

Mac says he will follow dunya to heck (this may have been a joke as opposed to calling her out as town)

Sloonei leans town on Mac

Juliets says Sloonei reads town.

Colin thinks Sloonei is town based on his Day 0 reads.

Colin says he doesn’t have any suspects at the moment but doesn’t think Julie’s or sloonei are bad and Luna is “probably good”.

Mac calls Colin town.

Dunya reads Mac’s “I AM TOWN” as town.

Sloonei reads nova, dunya, Luna and Mac as town

Colin reads “probably town” on dunya, Julie’s; reads lean town on Luna, reads town on Sloonei

(The sequence here is a little confusing because he had just voted for dunya)

Juliet reads dunya, Mac, Mongoose and Sloonei as town.

(Mac changes his read of Colin to mafia)

I applaud the handywork but I wanted people who were actually arguing with scum reads not just unsolicited town reads. Like "I disagree that this person is Mafia".

[Sloonei]

I’d like to hear what [mention]juliets[/mention] has to say about a the reads she’s been compiling.

[MacDougall]

Also what's with the speedchuck votes? The guy hasn't even been able to play, and is pending replacement.

Teammate with your hubby again!?

[dunya]

In RE: The State v. Juliets: Nah. While I understand the case folks were making on her, it seemed like a mountain of molehole. An allegation that she uncharacteristically wasn't here enough but when she did, she didn't draw out the right posts or ask the right questions. I'm not looking there yet.

I feel like this isn't an accurate representation of what transpired, bordering on misrepresentation (with TMI defence).

It doesn't look like you understood what sloonei or I were trying to get at after all.

[VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine

I did say only one of jules/Mongoose is bad ;p

[Sloonei]

I'd like to hear more from Mongoose, so I'll wait for her to catch up

Thank you! If I missed anyone’s questions for me, please let me know. I tried to reply to anytime I was asked a question or mentioned in more than just passing.

You got any first impressions of any of these fine folks in here?

See my post above where I go through a few of these. I was reading this thread as fast as Cruella de Ville drives (so please forgive me if I ask or say something that the record would reflect), but I was kinda shocked to see the Colin vote. If the vote did end tonight instead of tomorrow, would you comfortable leaving it there?

I totally overlooked this question. If the vote ended right now, I'd be more comfortable with a Colin vote than several others, but he would not be my first choice.

My vote early in the phase is never ever final. I usually change it about a hundred times per day just to feel things out.

[Sloonei]

I need to start identifying town so I can work my POE. Right now my strongest town read is Sloonei. I liked his post where he gave everyone grades, shows he is approaching the game analytically, and I like the post where he asked everyone to get moving and vote. Voting early is not really my style but he convinced me it was the right thing to do. I won't be putting a vote on Sloonei today unless something big happens to convince me he is bad.

I liked that a lot too. I felt it was brave, as something like this isn’t without its risks.

Trying to catch up as quick as I can.

What are the risks involved in posting the way I did early on? I'm unclear on whether you're referencing my "report card" post or my plea for votes.

[sprityo]

welcome to the game, sprityo. dig in.

I’m the trash man

I get in the ring and throw a garbage can


And then I EAT the Garbage

[MacDougall]

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

[Tangrowth]

God dammit, sorry all, Mondays and Tuesdays are insane for me and I have been busy out of my mind. Unfortunately I'm exhausted now so I'll do things tomorrow before deadline.

[novaselinenever]

@ColinIsCool I would love for you to provide me with an in depth analysis of @novaselinenever and vice versa please and thank you.

[novaselinenever]

Who's not impressed by Mac's exercise?

[novaselinenever]

Why is nova a suspect?

I didn't like his post about Mac "emulating" supatown Mac and his explanation didn't hold water for me. I also don't know what he's talking about re: my behavior in World Asunder. I was asking questions early on in that game, nothing anyone said changed my behavior. I also didn't like this post:

Third time's the charm?

Appeal to history? Appeal to emotions?

Not a good look madam

Mongoose's comment "Third time's the charm" sounds just like something she would say. It's talking about her history here since she's been back. I don't think it's a bad look at all and it seems like he's nitpicking.

So, all that keep him in my POE for now.

[novaselinenever]

Colin is Mafia. Sorry I called him town before because I shouldn't have. Lynch with enthusiasm please.

Now counterpoint, Colin as Mafia would be playing differently than this.

I wouldn't dispute a Colin lynch right now. I can see him as a callous civilian or a bumbling Mafia. The question is which is more likely to be Colin? The bumbling Mafia caught day 1 or the civilian suffering from a case of "oh shit I do look bad"?

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

I have no words.

[novaselinenever]

Haven't really seen much from Luna since the early hours of D1

[MacDougall]

Colin is Mafia. Sorry I called him town before because I shouldn't have. Lynch with enthusiasm please.

Now counterpoint, Colin as Mafia would be playing differently than this.

I wouldn't dispute a Colin lynch right now. I can see him as a callous civilian or a bumbling Mafia. The question is which is more likely to be Colin? The bumbling Mafia caught day 1 or the civilian suffering from a case of "oh shit I do look bad"?

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

I have no words.

Does this sort of thing make me bad Nova?

[novaselinenever]

Colin is Mafia. Sorry I called him town before because I shouldn't have. Lynch with enthusiasm please.

Now counterpoint, Colin as Mafia would be playing differently than this.

I wouldn't dispute a Colin lynch right now. I can see him as a callous civilian or a bumbling Mafia. The question is which is more likely to be Colin? The bumbling Mafia caught day 1 or the civilian suffering from a case of "oh shit I do look bad"?

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

I have no words.

Does this sort of thing make me bad Nova?

It certainly doesn't make you look good.

[MacDougall]

Doesn't it?

A civilian can't toss out reads on day 1 to rattle cages? Can't change their mind? Basic. Do better.

[novaselinenever]

Doesn't it?

A civilian can't toss out reads on day 1 to rattle cages? Can't change their mind? Basic. Do better.

They certainly can, but with a development. Changes require incentives when they're genuine. Yours have none, they're just a continuation of the bland hot takes you've been throwing around.

[novaselinenever]

I'm jut not impressed hombre.

[novaselinenever]

I'm impressionable though

[juliets]

Here are the Day 1 callouts of who was civ up to Mac's request:

Nova calls for 2 town reads, 2 scum reads:
Sloonei reiterates luna an nova as town
Dunya says everyone is town except 2 of Julie’s, Mongoose, Colin, speed

Mac says he will follow dunya to heck (this may have been a joke as opposed to calling her out as town)

Sloonei leans town on Mac

Juliets says Sloonei reads town.

Colin thinks Sloonei is town based on his Day 0 reads.

Colin says he doesn’t have any suspects at the moment but doesn’t think Julie’s or sloonei are bad and Luna is “probably good”.

Mac calls Colin town.

Dunya reads Mac’s “I AM TOWN” as town.

Sloonei reads nova, dunya, Luna and Mac as town

Colin reads “probably town” on dunya, Julie’s; reads lean town on Luna, reads town on Sloonei

(The sequence here is a little confusing because he had just voted for dunya)

Juliet reads dunya, Mac, Mongoose and Sloonei as town.

(Mac changes his read of Colin to mafia)

I applaud the handywork but I wanted people who were actually arguing with scum reads not just unsolicited town reads. Like "I disagree that this person is Mafia".

Mac I posted the list of disagreements with who was Mafia earlier. You requested both that and this, the way I read your post.

[juliets]

I’d like to hear what @juliets has to say about a the reads she’s been compiling.

Are you talking about the lists I compiled for Mac? I was surprised there weren't more people challenging others mafia reads. Nothing struck me about the few instances I found. On the people who declared others town early in the game I expected to find what I found. People were throwing around names for civs early, and people were asking for reads so I'm not surprised there were civ reads. I don't really know why Mac wanted me to pull the lists together, he never explained.

[juliets]

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

You have been wrong every single time you called me bad in a game. Every. Single. Time. You can't read me.

[juliets]

i only want to play if I’m Frank

[mention]sprityo[/mention] it looks like you were paying some attention before you were actually announced in the game. And the game is easy to read through, so what are your thoughts?

[juliets]

I have denied the similarities. I have no idea what you are talking about in World Asunder. What was said and what did I start doing? It seems like something you're just throwing out there knowing it can't be verified.

Not so at all. This reads like an accusation. Is it?

Here's what I'm talking about RE: A World Asunder:
G-man was the first to call you out Day 1 here:

Juliets spends most of her time responding to people’s thoughts and stances on other people without offering many of her own thoughts on anyone. I feel like this is normal but it’s also easy to fake. Her post count is high but it is, as she admits, all over the place. Is she being a sponge or just feigning a somewhat active appearance?

I followed that up with an ISO here. To paraphrase the key points made against you in this game, G-man and I were both concerned that you were spending a lot of time poking people with questions and responding to what others had to say, but you were not offering your own reads. You responded to these accusations by posting a big long list of reads the following day.

Compare that with this game. dunya kicked off the suspicion by saying that your behavior was " in direct contrast with her usual day 0 conduct where she digs in and asks people for elaborations or some such." You responded to this and similar criticisms by digging into [url=http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 38#p520538]things.[url]

Now this may be a little unfair as an accusation, since the premise is that your behavior was missing something it should have had, and if you're town your natural behavior should follow on its own. But the observations I've made are that A) in your most recent scum game, you responded to accusations by doing exactly what you were accused of not doing and B) in this game you've responded to accusations by doing exactly what you were accused of not doing. This does not need to mean you are bad, but it's something that I am taking note of.

The only problem with this is you are making assumptions that I am behaving and behaved according to my meta because someone brought it up instead of it being a natural evolution of my game. Look at ANY of my games where I was civ. I prod and poke people with questions and I respond to what other people say. Remember, in Asunder I was hunting just like I do when I'm civ because there was another team out there and I was looking for them.

I am weary of this argument. We need to just agree to disagree.

[juliets]

juliets: how do you feel about colin?

After looking at him in Community and Asunder (he only had 4 pages for 7 days) I'm inclined to heed your point and not vote him today.

[juliets]

I found a pushback I left out inadvertently:
- dunya calls me bad for not digging, Colin asks her what I could have elaborated on

I pushed back on dunya's suspicion of luna too.

Ok, I must have missed that somehow. The exercise seems pointless at this point anyway.

[juliets]

welcome to the game, sprityo. dig in.

I’m the trash man

I get in the ring and throw a garbage can


And then I EAT the Garbage

This is your entry into the thread when we are approaching a EOD today? You're going to have to do better.

[ColinIsCool]

I got a lot more work rolled into my job today and I am going to be a wee bit occupied. (Also I’m not getting a raise if you were curious. )

But I will do my best to reassess the thread and get better reads before EOD. I see many of you now believe I’m just regular dumbass Colin so that’s a relief.

[juliets]

I will be at work today until late this afternoon. I put a vote on sprityo because I don't like the way he entered the thread and speed before him didn't do anything.

If you are considering voting for me because you think this is my baddie meta I beg you to go look at a game where I was civ. My behavior in Asunder was my civ behavior because I was hunting another team. You will see in other games that I question and prod and ask opinions because as I said earlier, that's the way I assimilate the game as well as hunt. I don't always do something right away in the thread with the information I glean but every answer I get informs my opinions and next steps. This is just the way I play.

Ok I'm off for the day. I should be back before EOD but I won't have much time.

[Mongoose]

God dammit, sorry all, Mondays and Tuesdays are insane for me and I have been busy out of my mind. Unfortunately I'm exhausted now so I'll do things tomorrow before deadline.

Oh hai

[Mongoose]

I got a lot more work rolled into my job today and I am going to be a wee bit occupied. (Also I’m not getting a raise if you were curious. )

But I will do my best to reassess the thread and get better reads before EOD. I see many of you now believe I’m just regular dumbass Colin so that’s a relief.

Same, Weds are my worst days because I work all day and then teach at night, but I’ll do the best I can to follow the thread during the day.

[Mongoose]

I know you didn’t ask me, but this didn’t alarm me at all. Just seemed like someone thinking aloud. I don’t mind a point/counterpoint analysis.

Colin is Mafia. Sorry I called him town before because I shouldn't have. Lynch with enthusiasm please.

Now counterpoint, Colin as Mafia would be playing differently than this.

I wouldn't dispute a Colin lynch right now. I can see him as a callous civilian or a bumbling Mafia. The question is which is more likely to be Colin? The bumbling Mafia caught day 1 or the civilian suffering from a case of "oh shit I do look bad"?

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

I have no words.

Does this sort of thing make me bad Nova?

[Mongoose]

The report card - let’s say you are right in the money about one or more of the mafia - that could make you an N1 target. Or if a civ is overly defensive about not having the right analysis attributed to him or her, it could make you an easy target for D1. Brave just because these are (I imagine) initial impressions since we are still in literal D1.

I need to start identifying town so I can work my POE. Right now my strongest town read is Sloonei. I liked his post where he gave everyone grades, shows he is approaching the game analytically, and I like the post where he asked everyone to get moving and vote. Voting early is not really my style but he convinced me it was the right thing to do. I won't be putting a vote on Sloonei today unless something big happens to convince me he is bad.

I liked that a lot too. I felt it was brave, as something like this isn’t without its risks.

Trying to catch up as quick as I can.

What are the risks involved in posting the way I did early on? I'm unclear on whether you're referencing my "report card" post or my plea for votes.

[Mongoose]

Is this Vompatti?

welcome to the game, sprityo. dig in.

I’m the trash man

I get in the ring and throw a garbage can


And then I EAT the Garbage

[Mongoose]

In RE: The State v. Juliets: Nah. While I understand the case folks were making on her, it seemed like a mountain of molehole. An allegation that she uncharacteristically wasn't here enough but when she did, she didn't draw out the right posts or ask the right questions. I'm not looking there yet.

I feel like this isn't an accurate representation of what transpired, bordering on misrepresentation (with TMI defence).

It doesn't look like you understood what sloonei or I were trying to get at after all.

[VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine

I did say only one of jules/Mongoose is bad ;p

So you’re voting for me because I didn’t understand you? At worst, I may have oversimplified or telescoped the case in her, but nothing worse than that. I’ll certainly reread it, time permitting.

[novaselinenever]

I know you didn’t ask me, but this didn’t alarm me at all. Just seemed like someone thinking aloud. I don’t mind a point/counterpoint analysis.

Colin is Mafia. Sorry I called him town before because I shouldn't have. Lynch with enthusiasm please.

Now counterpoint, Colin as Mafia would be playing differently than this.

I wouldn't dispute a Colin lynch right now. I can see him as a callous civilian or a bumbling Mafia. The question is which is more likely to be Colin? The bumbling Mafia caught day 1 or the civilian suffering from a case of "oh shit I do look bad"?

I am willing to call it. Juliets and Sprityo are the Mafia team.

I have no words.

Does this sort of thing make me bad Nova?

There's absolutely no consistency or development there. It's a bunch of nonsense. Some of his posts in between are missing, he went from the "lynch with enthusiasm please" to what I assume is town-reading him in the turn-o-metre exercise. The second quote comes immediately afterwards, when Sloonei made an iso of Colin calling him the safest player in the game. Then we're back to null with a 50/50 on Colin, and describing his play from both possible alignment which I don't care much for at all. And we finish with Juliets and Sprityo being his Mafia team, while his vote is still on Colin lol.

[novaselinenever]

In RE: The State v. Juliets: Nah. While I understand the case folks were making on her, it seemed like a mountain of molehole. An allegation that she uncharacteristically wasn't here enough but when she did, she didn't draw out the right posts or ask the right questions. I'm not looking there yet.

I feel like this isn't an accurate representation of what transpired, bordering on misrepresentation (with TMI defence).

It doesn't look like you understood what sloonei or I were trying to get at after all.

[VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine

I did say only one of jules/Mongoose is bad ;p

So you’re voting for me because I didn’t understand you? At worst, I may have oversimplified or telescoped the case in her, but nothing worse than that. I’ll certainly reread it, time permitting.

Is that what you're getting from it?

[Mongoose]

Is that what I’m getting from dunya’s vote rationale?

[Mongoose]

If that’s what you are asking me, then yes. I know what tmi defense is on paper, but I’m not sure the context of how dunya is using it to describe what I’m doing (or maybe what Juliets is ‘doing’?); I’m unclear on that part.

[Mongoose]

Guys, this reads like textbook Classic Frustrated Civ Syndrome. If she is faking this, I will laud her appropriately in post-game.

So let me tell you guys one more time. I was here early this morning. Nothing that I thought was substantive had happened yet. I got off work at 4:00 and got to the thread sometime between 4:30 and 5:00 and saw several things I wanted to comment on/question and so I did. Just because someone suspects me doesn't mean I am going to shut down my play style. You can try to make it into something it isn't which is what you guys are doing but it is not what you're trying to make it. I was the same in Asunder as I have been in every other game I play - asking questions. That's the last I'll say about yesterday/today unless I'm asked a specific question.

[Lunalee]

Guys, this reads like textbook Classic Frustrated Civ Syndrome. If she is faking this, I will laud her appropriately in post-game.

So let me tell you guys one more time. I was here early this morning. Nothing that I thought was substantive had happened yet. I got off work at 4:00 and got to the thread sometime between 4:30 and 5:00 and saw several things I wanted to comment on/question and so I did. Just because someone suspects me doesn't mean I am going to shut down my play style. You can try to make it into something it isn't which is what you guys are doing but it is not what you're trying to make it. I was the same in Asunder as I have been in every other game I play - asking questions. That's the last I'll say about yesterday/today unless I'm asked a specific question.

yeah, let's not lynch juliets

[Lunalee]

I got a lot more work rolled into my job today and I am going to be a wee bit occupied. (Also I’m not getting a raise if you were curious. )

But I will do my best to reassess the thread and get better reads before EOD. I see many of you now believe I’m just regular dumbass Colin so that’s a relief.

I would feel really bad mis-lynching Colin. Again.

[Lunalee]

I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever

Updated town reads:
dunya
novaselinenever
Sloonei
juliets

Still a bit hesitant about voting Colin. He does look bad if you look at Sloonei's post analysis of him, but also I'm bad at reading Colin and literally just mis-lynched him in another game.

I'm between staying on Colin and switching to Mongoose. I want to trust dunya's hunch there.

[novaselinenever]

I'm adding nova to my town list:
dunya
novaselinenever

Updated town reads:
dunya
novaselinenever
Sloonei
juliets

Still a bit hesitant about voting Colin. He does look bad if you look at Sloonei's post analysis of him, but also I'm bad at reading Colin and literally just mis-lynched him in another game.

I'm between staying on Colin and switching to Mongoose. I want to trust dunya's hunch there.

What are your own original thoughts about Mongoose?

[novaselinenever]

Also what happened to your Mac vote? (If I'm not mistaken lol)

I thought you were with me there

[dunya]

In RE: The State v. Juliets: Nah. While I understand the case folks were making on her, it seemed like a mountain of molehole. An allegation that she uncharacteristically wasn't here enough but when she did, she didn't draw out the right posts or ask the right questions. I'm not looking there yet.

I feel like this isn't an accurate representation of what transpired, bordering on misrepresentation (with TMI defence).

It doesn't look like you understood what sloonei or I were trying to get at after all.

[VOTE: Mongoose] aubergine

I did say only one of jules/Mongoose is bad ;p

So you’re voting for me because I didn’t understand you? At worst, I may have oversimplified or telescoped the case in her, but nothing worse than that. I’ll certainly reread it, time permitting.

no. again, you're really downplaying what i'm saying. i'm voting for you because i feel like you're buddying juliets and misrepresenting the points sloonei and i made against juliets. you're brushing them off like they're nothing, but a civilian would be more paranoid than that because they would weigh the evidence and take their sweet time to determine whether or not the points add up against her.

whether or not i still believe juliets is bad at this point is irrelevant. how you treated juliets (and me and sloonei by extension, by reducing our case against to juliets to "you are expecting her to post x-amount of posts in x-amount on time she was online and ask x-amount of questions") makes me feel you're bad.

luna's reaction, on the other hand, was one of genuine curiosity. it makes me feel like luna is considering what is being said in full and not brushing it off easily because she can't be 100% sure of anyone. if you're scum, on the other hand, you can be 100% sure juliets is not.

[dunya]

i'm sorry, i can't say "i'm not voting for so-and-so" because i enjoy playing with them as much as i wanted to in the beginning. this game is over after 2 mislynches and i don't want to hurt my team.

i do genuinely love playing with you, mongoose. and i feel bad i'm voting for you for this reason.