It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia [END]

[ColinIsCool]

Sorry for multiposting, but things keep ocurring to me that I want to get down. If Mongoose's no lynch vote was indeed accidental, and I believe that it was, then we can deduce nothing about her alignment from it. I still don't think she looks good, but thta is one piece of evidence that is off the table.

On the other hand, I maintain that intentionally voting No Lynch is an anti-town move. I said before that I did not believe both baddies would vote No Lynch in concert, so if Colin turns out to be bad, Mongoose wouldn't be, and vice versa. That logic no longer holds since one of the votes was unintentional. I think this makes Colin look worse, as the only player to actively choose no lynch. His unwillingness to participate very much is not helping him, either.

Voting no lynch is not ideal, but I’m not going to vote for someone when I really couldn’t justify it to myself ... that’s what scum do.

I had every intention of playing a bigger role in D1 but got a lot of work dumped on me so it just wasn’t gonna happen. I don’t plan on doing it again.

[Mongoose]

Ok, this is getting damn confusing.

Luna's claim: the mafia knows which configuration we're in so if we're in the cop, vanilla, vanilla they know one of them can claim double voter and get away with it. Is that what you guys (Mac, Sloon, llama) believe? It does seem like a possibility. And I did make the point earlier that Luna could have given that "bright shining civ" compliment to dunya to distance herself from a kill. But, would she have known that early in the game that they were going to kill dunya? I'm more confused about Luna than I was before the NK.

Mac and nova - I don't think Mac is mafia but is his nova and sloonei suspicion believable? I need to look at nova again and see if I feel like his Mac suspicion was made up or flowed naturally. sloonei's suspicion of me and subsequent tunneling definitely seemed off to me given my behavior as a civ over many games. I don't relish the thought of re-reading sloonei but I guess I'm going to have to. Sloonei is my tinfoil suspicion.

@thellama73 what are you thinking about nova and sloonei? Do the things Mac says make sense to you?

@MacDougall PLEASE don't check out. We really need you now. No one was responding to you because we were asleep not because we don't care. Please don't devolve into just trolling.

I have not felt too good about Nova from the beginning, but I don't have very much concrete to go on. I think Sloonei is civilian. Pretty much the only thing I really agree with Mac on is his suspicion of Luna. I think her claim coming as it did right after Sloonei mentioned that it would be a good idea for the doublevoter to claim, felt too convenient. She said "I have nothing to lose" which sounds to me like a baddie about to be lynched throwing a last minute hail mary. I don't think it's as sophisticated the analysis above indicates. Just desperation.

I don't like when people vote no lynch. DO NOT WANT.

I agree llama unless its a case like they just had in Gossip Girl. But how do you explain a mafia member voting no lynch? Two of them in fact if you think Colin and Mongoose are bad (the you in this sentence is not meant to mean you specifically).

I wish I was better at reading you. You always read the same to me. I do think it's unlikely that both mafia members would vote for No Lynch, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of them did.

llama are you calling this an explanation? I still don't understand why a baddie would vote no lynch.

They wouldn’t. Seems instead like the calling cards of civs that don’t know what heck they are doing on Day 1 and really stressed by that.

Ignoring the basic logic of why no lynches benefit mafia, which I have now explained twice, does not make me feel better about you.

Oh I promise I am not ignoring that. I completely understand why and the fierce arguments against it. I don’t disagree and am not going to do it again either, eve as a placeholder.

[Mongoose]

Sorry for multiposting, but things keep ocurring to me that I want to get down. If Mongoose's no lynch vote was indeed accidental, and I believe that it was, then we can deduce nothing about her alignment from it. I still don't think she looks good, but thta is one piece of evidence that is off the table.

On the other hand, I maintain that intentionally voting No Lynch is an anti-town move. I said before that I did not believe both baddies would vote No Lynch in concert, so if Colin turns out to be bad, Mongoose wouldn't be, and vice versa. That logic no longer holds since one of the votes was unintentional. I think this makes Colin look worse, as the only player to actively choose no lynch. His unwillingness to participate very much is not helping him, either.

Voting no lynch is not ideal, but I’m not going to vote for someone when I really couldn’t justify it to myself ... that’s what scum do.

I had every intention of playing a bigger role in D1 but got a lot of work dumped on me so it just wasn’t gonna happen. I don’t plan on doing it again.

I relate to this

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. [mention]Lunalee[/mention] what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

[Lunalee]

[mention]thellama73[/mention] I don't think I've interacted with you at all this game, but Hi, I'm luna, and I like your posts. I also feel like Colin is more likely to be bad than mongoose. And you're confidence in mongoose says a lot since I gather you two have played mafia together before.

[Lunalee]

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

Why is Colin bad? And who else is?

[Lunalee]

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

Why is Colin bad? And who else is?

Why Colin's bad?
I just don't get a good feeling from going back and looking at Colin. First his "no lynch" vote following the list of reads he gave earlier in day 1 where the worst read he gave was "null"
He did strongly feel i was town, then switched on me by night one. Almost like scum colin realized he was getting no where by having no "suspects," so he turned to the easiest (in my opinion) suspect, myself.

Nova is still an enigma to me. I just can't read him.

I don't know who else is scum-compatible with Colin. Might need to look at that closer at that in case he's bad.

[Lunalee]

Just want to throw this out there: What has Colin done in this game that scum Colin wouldn't do?

[thellama73]

@thellama73 I don't think I've interacted with you at all this game, but Hi, I'm luna, and I like your posts. I also feel like Colin is more likely to be bad than mongoose. And you're confidence in mongoose says a lot since I gather you two have played mafia together before.

What confidence in Mongoose? I have been reading her as likely bad this whole game. Have you read my posts? Hi, by the way. It's nice to meet you. I hope you won't take me trying to lynch you personally.

[Lunalee]

Okay, so I saw this and thought it was a positive point for mongoose:

Spoiler: show

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

That being said, I don't think you would make up this story as a lie, so fine.

BUT then you later say that it's "non-alignment indicative." okay, guess I sort of missed that.

[thellama73]

Okay, so I saw this and thought it was a positive point for mongoose:

Spoiler: show

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

That being said, I don't think you would make up this story as a lie, so fine.

BUT then you later say that it's "non-alignment indicative." okay, guess I sort of missed that.

Yeah, I don't see her making up a needless lie like that. It would be easier just to own the no lynch vote and argue why it's a good vote, as many people have done successfully in the past. I don't think the fact that she didn't lie in this instance makes her necessarily good though.

Just want to throw this out there: What has Colin done in this game that scum Colin wouldn't do?

Not a fan of this question. It's like asking people to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the town to demonstrate that lynch candidates might be bad. "You can't prove he's not bad, therefore he's bad" is a slippery, fallacious argument. The only honest answer to your question is "nothing" because baddies are capable of doing anything thta civs can do. There are, however, certain things baddies would do that civs would never do. So a better question is, What has Colin done this game that civvie Colin wouldn't do?

Personaly, I think there are a couple of answers to that, but the fact that you asked it the other way around makes me even more suspicious of you than I already was.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

Why is Colin bad? And who else is?

Why Colin's bad?
I just don't get a good feeling from going back and looking at Colin. First his "no lynch" vote following the list of reads he gave earlier in day 1 where the worst read he gave was "null"
He did strongly feel i was town, then switched on me by night one. Almost like scum colin realized he was getting no where by having no "suspects," so he turned to the easiest (in my opinion) suspect, myself.

Nova is still an enigma to me. I just can't read him.

I don't know who else is scum-compatible with Colin. Might need to look at that closer at that in case he's bad.

Why does Colin's change of mind on you look bad? Civilians change their mind all the time.

Don't worry about finding compatible team pairings right now. Who is independently suspicious besides Colin? Or, if your're having trouble with that, what does your POE list look like at this point?

[Lunalee]

Okay, so I saw this and thought it was a positive point for mongoose:

Spoiler: show

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

That being said, I don't think you would make up this story as a lie, so fine.

BUT then you later say that it's "non-alignment indicative." okay, guess I sort of missed that.

Yeah, I don't see her making up a needless lie like that. It would be easier just to own the no lynch vote and argue why it's a good vote, as many people have done successfully in the past. I don't think the fact that she didn't lie in this instance makes her necessarily good though.

Just want to throw this out there: What has Colin done in this game that scum Colin wouldn't do?

Not a fan of this question. It's like asking people to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the town to demonstrate that lynch candidates might be bad. "You can't prove he's not bad, therefore he's bad" is a slippery, fallacious argument. The only honest answer to your question is "nothing" because baddies are capable of doing anything thta civs can do. There are, however, certain things baddies would do that civs would never do. So a better question is, What has Colin done this game that civvie Colin wouldn't do?

Personaly, I think there are a couple of answers to that, but the fact that you asked it the other way around makes me even more suspicious of you than I already was.

my bad, ask it the other way around then. I had the same intention either way: to get people talking so we can attempt to lynch scum today.

[thellama73]

Okay, Sloonei, you win. Luna is faker than a plastic Christmas tree in July.

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Okay, Sloonei, you win. Luna is faker than a plastic Christmas tree in July.

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I haven't arrived at that conclusion yet. What makes you so sure?

[Mongoose]

For the group: what makes folks bad complementary?

[thellama73]

Okay, Sloonei, you win. Luna is faker than a plastic Christmas tree in July.

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I haven't arrived at that conclusion yet. What makes you so sure?

There's NO WAY this sentence is sincere. It reads completely contrived. Not buying it for one second.

my bad, ask it the other way around then. I had the same intention either way: to get people talking so we can attempt to lynch scum today.

[Lunalee]

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

Why is Colin bad? And who else is?

Why Colin's bad?
I just don't get a good feeling from going back and looking at Colin. First his "no lynch" vote following the list of reads he gave earlier in day 1 where the worst read he gave was "null"
He did strongly feel i was town, then switched on me by night one. Almost like scum colin realized he was getting no where by having no "suspects," so he turned to the easiest (in my opinion) suspect, myself.

Nova is still an enigma to me. I just can't read him.

I don't know who else is scum-compatible with Colin. Might need to look at that closer at that in case he's bad.

Why does Colin's change of mind on you look bad? Civilians change their mind all the time.

Don't worry about finding compatible team pairings right now. Who is independently suspicious besides Colin? Or, if your're having trouble with that, what does your POE list look like at this point?

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

Why is Colin bad? And who else is?

Nova is still an enigma to me. I just can't read him.

You were reading just fine earlier. Not sure how I've been slipping from your second strongest town read to a very weak town read, then to a null read without even posting in between lol.

[novaselinenever]

lol

that rainbow

[Sloonei]

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

What have I done to deserve this?

[thellama73]

For the group: what makes folks bad complementary?

From my point of view, the answer to that question is :how would you expect people who can coordinate with each other to behave? There's a lot of WIFOM involved, but to give one example, I earlier said I didn't think both you and Colin would be the only two No Lynch voters if you were on a team together. It would stand out too much. Of course, since your vote was unintentional, I no longer feel thta way, but you get the idea.

[novaselinenever]

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

What have I done to deserve this?

[novaselinenever]

This reminds me GoC Luna

[Sloonei]

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? [mention]Lunalee[/mention]

[Sloonei]

This reminds me GoC Luna

Explain

[novaselinenever]

This reminds me GoC Luna

Explain

Blatant inconsistencies in her rainbows/gth reads.

[thellama73]

This reminds me GoC Luna

Explain

Blatant inconsistencies in her rainbows/gth reads.

I didn't play GOC, but to me that indicates that the reads are not real, but just something she came up with in the moment to appear to be participating.

[Lunalee]

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

What have I done to deserve this?

sorry, town reads are temporary. I don't like the stunt you pulled asking for a role claim and then turning it around on me and using it to get me lynched. And I know it's not entirely your fault. I should have stayed silent.

[juliets]

Luna's claim: the mafia knows which configuration we're in so if we're in the cop, vanilla, vanilla they know one of them can claim double voter and get away with it. Is that what you guys (Mac, Sloon, llama) believe? It does seem like a possibility. And I did make the point earlier that Luna could have given that "bright shining civ" compliment to dunya to distance herself from a kill. But, would she have known that early in the game that they were going to kill dunya? I'm more confused about Luna than I was before the NK.

I think you're looking too deep at her "shining civ" comment. It could have been simply being friendly to Dunya, and trying to buddy her rather than an elaborate ruse for the night kill (72 hours later lol).

Do you believe her claim, if you were to make an immediate call?

I did at first, maybe because Sloonei called for the claim and then she did it, but reading through today's thread I can definitely see it as a desperation move knowing she was suspected.

[Lunalee]

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.

[Sloonei]

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

What have I done to deserve this?

sorry, town reads are temporary. I don't like the stunt you pulled asking for a role claim and then turning it around on me and using it to get me lynched. And I know it's not entirely your fault. I should have stayed silent.

... but these reads came 50 minutes apart today and I "pulled that stunt" yesterday. What changed in the 50 minutes between these two posts?

[Lunalee]

This reminds me GoC Luna

Explain

Blatant inconsistencies in her rainbows/gth reads.

So I'm not allowed to change my reads on people? Sorry, but that's something that happens a lot in mafia.

[Lunalee]

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

What have I done to deserve this?

sorry, town reads are temporary. I don't like the stunt you pulled asking for a role claim and then turning it around on me and using it to get me lynched. And I know it's not entirely your fault. I should have stayed silent.

... but these reads came 50 minutes apart today and I "pulled that stunt" yesterday. What changed in the 50 minutes between these two posts?

I started to resent you pushing for my lynch a bit more, and realized that everyone I was town reading couldn't be town.

[Sloonei]

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.

I'm not satisfied with the details you've given to justify your opinion.

I have him as very slight mafia read right now.

[Sloonei]

Civs do change their minds a lot. I suppose I can't really fault Colin for that. I still don't like his eagerness to jump on the luna suspect train.

honestly, throwing out reads is pretty difficult when you can see anyone as town, but also suspect them at the same time. I suspect who ever is scum is really good at hiding as scum. Perhaps it's yourself. You seem capable of that.

It's probably wrong, but I'll update my list anyways:

juliets
thellama73
MacDougall
Mongoose
novaselinenever
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

She was online yesterday and had enough time to roleclaim and comment on mac. I want more comprehensive reads than that. @Lunalee what do you think of Colin, nova, and me?

Current ranking in my head:
Sloonei
Nova
Colin

What have I done to deserve this?

sorry, town reads are temporary. I don't like the stunt you pulled asking for a role claim and then turning it around on me and using it to get me lynched. And I know it's not entirely your fault. I should have stayed silent.

... but these reads came 50 minutes apart today and I "pulled that stunt" yesterday. What changed in the 50 minutes between these two posts?

I started to resent you pushing for my lynch a bit more, and realized that everyone I was town reading couldn't be town.

I am not pushing for your lynch. I'm asking you questions because I want to discuss things with you so that we can all read you better.

[juliets]

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

I believe this. It sounds just like something that would happen to you and it's reasonable given how much you are doing outside of the game (distraction causes errors). If you were sitting on No Lynch before the change to Luna I would guess that your vote didn't go through even though you thought it did.

linki, sorry to interrupt the conversation between Luna and Sloon but I'm catching up.

[Sloonei]

Also the "stunt" I pulled yesterday is not a stunt and it's bullshit to categorize it as such. I suggested the hypothetical doubleclaimer might want to roleclaim as I was working through my own thoughts on juliets' role claim. But after making this suggestion I came to reflect more on the nature of juliets' claim in itself and I decided I trust her. Then when you claimed it became very apparent that there's no way at all to verify your claim, and that the reasoning that made juliets so believable could not be applied to the doublevoter claim at all.

What would even be suspicious about a player requesting a roleclaim and then doubting it when it came?

[Lunalee]

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.

I'm not satisfied with the details you've given to justify your opinion.

I have him as very slight mafia read right now.

Dunya also strongly suspected colin before she was targeted. I could see that as a self-defense kill if she was after too many of the scum team.

what makes you view him as a slight mafia read?

[Sloonei]

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.

I'm not satisfied with the details you've given to justify your opinion.

I have him as very slight mafia read right now.

Dunya also strongly suspected colin before she was targeted. I could see that as a self-defense kill if she was after too many of the scum team.

what makes you view him as a slight mafia read?

Lack of content that makes me civilian read him. Nothing Colin has said has makes me feel too strongly one way or another about him. That in itself is concerning.

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

[Sloonei]

Also the "stunt" I pulled yesterday is not a stunt and it's bullshit to categorize it as such. I suggested the hypothetical doubleclaimer might want to roleclaim as I was working through my own thoughts on juliets' role claim. But after making this suggestion I came to reflect more on the nature of juliets' claim in itself and I decided I trust her. Then when you claimed it became very apparent that there's no way at all to verify your claim, and that the reasoning that made juliets so believable could not be applied to the doublevoter claim at all.

What would even be suspicious about a player requesting a roleclaim and then doubting it when it came?

i wonder what a doubleclaimer would do.

[juliets]

Also the "stunt" I pulled yesterday is not a stunt and it's bullshit to categorize it as such. I suggested the hypothetical doubleclaimer might want to roleclaim as I was working through my own thoughts on juliets' role claim. But after making this suggestion I came to reflect more on the nature of juliets' claim in itself and I decided I trust her. Then when you claimed it became very apparent that there's no way at all to verify your claim, and that the reasoning that made juliets so believable could not be applied to the doublevoter claim at all.

What would even be suspicious about a player requesting a roleclaim and then doubting it when it came?

i wonder what a doubleclaimer would do.

Whats a double claimer?

[Sloonei]

Also the "stunt" I pulled yesterday is not a stunt and it's bullshit to categorize it as such. I suggested the hypothetical doubleclaimer might want to roleclaim as I was working through my own thoughts on juliets' role claim. But after making this suggestion I came to reflect more on the nature of juliets' claim in itself and I decided I trust her. Then when you claimed it became very apparent that there's no way at all to verify your claim, and that the reasoning that made juliets so believable could not be applied to the doublevoter claim at all.

What would even be suspicious about a player requesting a roleclaim and then doubting it when it came?

i wonder what a doubleclaimer would do.

Whats a double claimer?

a typo

[Lunalee]

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

I've given you my opinion on Colin. I would like to hear what you think of him.

I'm not satisfied with the details you've given to justify your opinion.

I have him as very slight mafia read right now.

Dunya also strongly suspected colin before she was targeted. I could see that as a self-defense kill if she was after too many of the scum team.

what makes you view him as a slight mafia read?

Lack of content that makes me civilian read him. Nothing Colin has said has makes me feel too strongly one way or another about him. That in itself is concerning.

And I'll need you to elaborate on that Colin read more. You say you don't like his eagerness to suspect you. Why not? And why do you characterize it as "eagerness"? Lunalee

Maybe it looked eager to me because he has not suspected anyone else. He sort of poked at dunya, but then later called her content "NAI" and me his "top suspect" while everyone else was either null or town.

[juliets]

I can't quite wrap my head around why the double voter would claim. Aren't you then forced to use your double vote that day or die that night? What am I missing (I am dead tired from work so I'm probably just brain dead trying to think about this).

[Sloonei]

I can't quite wrap my head around why the double voter would claim. Aren't you then forced to use your double vote that day or die that night? What am I missing (I am dead tired from work so I'm probably just brain dead trying to think about this).

I suggested it after you first claimed because a doublevoter would corroborate your claim. At the time my reasoning was that it was more valuable to have a potential confirmation of your claim than it would be to have a single doublevote. But then I decided I believe you regardless, and a doublevote claim can't be given nearly the same weight as a cop claim.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] why did you claim? Walk us through the thought process that went into that decision. This is not an accusatory question, I just want to know what exactly prompted the decision.

[Sloonei]

To refresh: the only possible setups in the matrix with a cop are mafia roleblocker and 1-shot town doublevoter, or all vanilla. If it's the latter, then a mafia member could easily claim doublevoter because they know they can't be counter-claimed. If it's the former then Luna could easily be telling the truth. But there's absolutely no way for us to know right now.

[Lunalee]

I can't quite wrap my head around why the double voter would claim. Aren't you then forced to use your double vote that day or die that night? What am I missing (I am dead tired from work so I'm probably just brain dead trying to think about this).

I suggested it after you first claimed because a doublevoter would corroborate your claim. At the time my reasoning was that it was more valuable to have a potential confirmation of your claim than it would be to have a single doublevote. But then I decided I believe you regardless, and a doublevote claim can't be given nearly the same weight as a cop claim.

@Lunalee why did you claim? Walk us through the thought process that went into that decision. This is not an accusatory question, I just want to know what exactly prompted the decision.

1. I thought it might be helpful to have that out there to potentially town-firm two players
2. No one knows when I use my one-shot or if I've already used it
3. It's not a huge loss to town if I get night-killed because of it. If you guys can work together on lynches, you don't need a double-voter.

[Lunalee]

To refresh: the only possible setups in the matrix with a cop are mafia roleblocker and 1-shot town doublevoter, or all vanilla. If it's the latter, then a mafia member could easily claim doublevoter because they know they can't be counter-claimed. If it's the former then Luna could easily be telling the truth. But there's absolutely no way for us to know right now.

so your two options are: both juliets and I are scum and coordinated the claims, or both juliets and I are town and are telling the truth.