Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't randomly reverse my take on nutella

why did you?

I've said I will not answer that. Realize please that I am not Mister Secrets about any reads unless I feel like I don't have a choice. You (specifically you) may already know the answer anyway if you take a moment to consider it.

Daycop. Got it.

[dunya]

i don't care about all the wifom, the only thing that makes me pause is his take on nutella at the last hour. he's right god damn it.

unless...mac/nutella/jay all scum...with...juliets.

o.O

O.o

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But really though how can niju not be bad

[dunya]

i love the laughing guy's little hands.

at least i didn't waste 3 hours of my time making a huge a jay iso.

maybe i can waste time and read the analysis he did now

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.

It's so yikes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

at least i didn't waste 3 hours of my time making a huge a jay iso.

Just asking me questions is always better than trying to deal with my library of shite.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But really though how can niju not be bad

Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.

[dunya]

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

who is she talking to there? i couldn't tell.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

who is she talking to there? i couldn't tell.

I believe she was reiterating Elohcin.

I hate to see all this stirring up here at the end. Daisy says she is voting Mac b/c she is sleep deprived and annoyed and "I hope you're right Jay" but Jay is on neverwhere and not Mac. WTF people. we had 24 hours to work this out. switching around at the last damn minute usually is a mafia thing trying to get voted away from their team, am I right?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

who is she talking to there? i couldn't tell.

Jay, I think.

It’s yuck regardless, blaming someone else for her vote. Probably spews whoever she’s talking about town if she flips red.

[dunya]

never mind, i found it. she was talking to eloh.

so you think that was niju saving mac? i can see it. niju was under time constraints in seinfled mafia too, though it'll be harder to compare since she was in character there, but i'll take a look.

[dunya]

i lied, i'm actually way too lazy and under time constraints for other shit to look at friggin seinfeld mafia, but yeah, someone else break a leg

[nutella]

It wasn't plausibly an actual save attempt though since it was quite last minute afaik, unless she didn't check the vote margins beforehand and thought it was still close enough to lynch me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i lied, i'm actually way too lazy and under time constraints for other shit to look at friggin seinfeld mafia, but yeah, someone else break a leg

Was Blooper town or scum there?

[novaselinenever]

Wait what.. When did Niju actually vote for Nutella? If Mac had a few more votes, than what are we even talking about?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It wasn't plausibly an actual save attempt though since it was quite last minute afaik, unless she didn't check the vote margins beforehand and thought it was still close enough to lynch me.

I'm trying to piece together the tally at that moment. It's tough. I dunno if it was an 8-4 lead for Mac at that point or something else.

For me though, the biggest problem is that her rationale just looks utterly fake.

"nutella has the most votes besides Mac" -- who cares
"last minute votes are a mafia thing" -- bullshit
"as you've said" -- thank you other person for giving me this excuse

[novaselinenever]

Is this perhaps a case of the old tell "lemme not vote for my teammate getting lynched this late to avoid bussing accusations"?

[nutella]

It wasn't plausibly an actual save attempt though since it was quite last minute afaik, unless she didn't check the vote margins beforehand and thought it was still close enough to lynch me.

I'm trying to piece together the tally at that moment. It's tough. I dunno if it was an 8-4 lead for Mac at that point or something else.

For me though, the biggest problem is that her rationale just looks utterly fake.

"nutella has the most votes besides Mac" -- who cares
"last minute votes are a mafia thing" -- bullshit
"as you've said" -- thank you other person for giving me this excuse

I think it was 8-4 by then. At least 7-4. I guess some of your points still stand though, it was a gross post even if not an actual save attempt.

[Spacedaisy]

Conclusion: This is one of those things where the evidence in front of me says "Spacedaisy must remain in the suspect pool", and I will respect the evidence in that regard. Do I think she's Mac's teammate? Not really.

I would be surprised if you took me out of the pool. Even with my vote and when in the progression it was placed, I was convinced that Mac was good. So I defended him. You should not remove me from your PoE completely by any means.

[Spacedaisy]

jay was the one who instigated that lynch.

ahem, excuse you.

I apologize. I just mean that I feel like Jay’s case moved it from a few people maybe suspecting him to it being a lynch train. I’m sorry

[juliets]

Looks good to me. An old civilian that was on the right track at first, and was fooled as time passed by

I'm here to answer for my crimes.

nova, whatever crimes you're here to answer for could you go ahead and answer for them?

One thing I would like to know, you were a hard town read for me at the beginning of the game because I was seeing the civ nova I've seen for 3 games in a row. But then, you dropped off and weren't leading/pushing the thread as much as I'm used to. What's up with that? I don't have you as a mafia read but you've slipped in my green spectrum.

I should be studying

Ok, I forgot you said that, thanks. Why wasn't school interfering in the last three games?

[Spacedaisy]

re: Elohcin's outburst. i will say that i have talked to her extensively about mafia over discord pms whenever i'd nag her to sign up to a game. sometimes i felt offended because i felt like her strong (very strong) dislike of towards the game of mafia coincides with my appearance to this particular mafia world. and i am part of the "new crowd" who brought about with us "new habits". but it's not her fault she can't enjoy this game, just as it's not my fault i can't enjoy mafia if i don't give it a full effort. elohcin doesn't strike me as someone who exaggerates anger in that way. at all. for what motive? no gain. i don't want to call her a civilian for it either, but i'm trying to make it completely nai for me especially when i have seen her frustrations with this game gradually rise this past year.

This is what I was thinking. I don’t think elo’s frustrated response to the lynch is -alignment indicative at all. She has expressed these kind of frustrations for a while in discord and other games.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let's look at some numbers.

If there is only one mafia team opposing the civilian faction, I believe there are only two ratios that are remotely likely: 15:4 or 14:5.

One mafioso is gone. 15:3 or 14:4. To be safe, let's project a dead civilian this night phase and one in each future night phase.

14:3 ---> 5 mislynches available until a 4 vs. 3 LyLo

or

13:4 ---> 4 mislynches available until a 5 vs. 4 LyLo

If we take a better safe than sorry approach, we should assume the worse scenario with the larger mafia team. Either way though, we arrive at the same necessary POE pool:

5 mislynches + 3 living mafia members = POE pool of 8

4 mislynches + 4 living mafia members = POE pool of 8

So 8 is the present target.

If there are multiple mafia teams or any independents, this dynamic will need to be adapted. Given that Mac flipped merely as "mafia" instead of some specific team name, I doubt there are multiple teams.

[juliets]

But really though how can niju not be bad

Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.

I can't tell if you're kidding because ninjuliets sounds nice or if you are serious. If you're serious what is it you see that you think makes me and ninja fit together?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS
speedchuck
nijuukyugou

It just so happens that my previous rainbow was nicely situated to eight suspects.

I'd love to see other people's lists though. I'm sure there will be differences. Eight is a bunch.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Based on a combination of those interactions and my impressions of players at face value:

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
nutella

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Kites
Matahari
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy

Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS

speedchuck

nijuukyugou

I don’t think we’re quite to 8 on the poe but hey, it’s N1.

[novaselinenever]

Looks good to me. An old civilian that was on the right track at first, and was fooled as time passed by

I'm here to answer for my crimes.

nova, whatever crimes you're here to answer for could you go ahead and answer for them?

One thing I would like to know, you were a hard town read for me at the beginning of the game because I was seeing the civ nova I've seen for 3 games in a row. But then, you dropped off and weren't leading/pushing the thread as much as I'm used to. What's up with that? I don't have you as a mafia read but you've slipped in my green spectrum.

I should be studying

Ok, I forgot you said that, thanks. Why wasn't school interfering in the last three games?

Some weeks are busier than others I guess. I've been here a lot though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But really though how can niju not be bad

Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.

I can't tell if you're kidding because ninjuliets sounds nice or if you are serious. If you're serious what is it you see that you think makes me and ninja fit together?

I’m entirely serious that ya’ll should hydra together and call your hydra account Ninjuliets.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t think we’re quite to 8 on the poe but hey, it’s N1.

Not a solid, confident 8, no. All we can do in any phase though is give our best guess.

[juliets]

re: Elohcin's outburst. i will say that i have talked to her extensively about mafia over discord pms whenever i'd nag her to sign up to a game. sometimes i felt offended because i felt like her strong (very strong) dislike of towards the game of mafia coincides with my appearance to this particular mafia world. and i am part of the "new crowd" who brought about with us "new habits". but it's not her fault she can't enjoy this game, just as it's not my fault i can't enjoy mafia if i don't give it a full effort. elohcin doesn't strike me as someone who exaggerates anger in that way. at all. for what motive? no gain. i don't want to call her a civilian for it either, but i'm trying to make it completely nai for me especially when i have seen her frustrations with this game gradually rise this past year.

This is what I was thinking. I don’t think elo’s frustrated response to the lynch is -alignment indicative at all. She has expressed these kind of frustrations for a while in discord and other games.

Yeah that's why I said last night that I thought it went deeper than just being angry that we lynched someone who wasn't here. I would really like to look at a game where she was bad.

[juliets]

Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS
speedchuck
nijuukyugou

It just so happens that my previous rainbow was nicely situated to eight suspects.

I'd love to see other people's lists though. I'm sure there will be differences. Eight is a bunch.

Jay, why do you think Rey is bad instead of just not playing?

[novaselinenever]

Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS
speedchuck
nijuukyugou

It just so happens that my previous rainbow was nicely situated to eight suspects.

I'd love to see other people's lists though. I'm sure there will be differences. Eight is a bunch.

Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, why do you think Rey is bad instead of just not playing?

I don't quite "think he's bad" so much as I have no reason to say that he's good. He's a suspect by default, because calling someone "null" is against the law.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.

Yup I am open to hearing suspicions of more active contributors. If there's a green skittle I'm wrong about, I need someone else to yell it at me.

[juliets]

Jay, why do you think Rey is bad instead of just not playing?

I don't quite "think he's bad" so much as I have no reason to say that he's good. He's a suspect by default, because calling someone "null" is against the law.

Ok that makes sense.

[dunya]

why is nova not in your poe, jay?

[novaselinenever]

Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.

Yup I am open to hearing suspicions of more active contributors. If there's a green skittle I'm wrong about, I need someone else to yell it at me.

Jack and Space would be my weakest green skittles.

[novaselinenever]

why is nova not in your poe, jay?

shhh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why is nova not in your poe, jay?

I believe he looks authentic, and that trumps inconsistent association with Mac. I am open to a counterargument.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t think we’re quite to 8 on the poe but hey, it’s N1.

Not a solid, confident 8, no. All we can do in any phase though is give our best guess.

I mean that’s a fine 8 and you can do stuff like take Eloh out if Blooper is scum or if someone claims to have copped LC or whatever.

[dunya]

i dunno how i feel about kites and his mac vote when it happened now that it happened. i wouldn't be as bold as to put kites and nova in green as it stands. daisy has town read civ to me with her interaction with jack. also it's her bday and illegal to suspect her today. ( don't @ me jay)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone have concerns about DDL? I handed him a big juicy dark green skittle, but I grant that in his case the credit is less clearly-apparent than with dunya or nutella.

[juliets]

Looks good to me. An old civilian that was on the right track at first, and was fooled as time passed by

I'm here to answer for my crimes.

nova, whatever crimes you're here to answer for could you go ahead and answer for them?

One thing I would like to know, you were a hard town read for me at the beginning of the game because I was seeing the civ nova I've seen for 3 games in a row. But then, you dropped off and weren't leading/pushing the thread as much as I'm used to. What's up with that? I don't have you as a mafia read but you've slipped in my green spectrum.

I should be studying

Ok, I forgot you said that, thanks. Why wasn't school interfering in the last three games?

Some weeks are busier than others I guess. I've been here a lot though.

Ok, I can understand that. It's really the leading/pushing I'm missing, like how you and Sloonei did in Always Sunny. It's only night 1 though so maybe I'm just too anxious about it. Thanks for answering.

[dunya]

jack feels like world flags jack except he doesn't seem as eager to be nk'd. especially his damn stubbornness with regards to the juliets and daisy, and not caring how bad it made him look.

[dunya]

why is nova not in your poe, jay?

I believe he looks authentic, and that trumps inconsistent association with Mac. I am open to a counterargument.

can you briefly explain the authenticity you see that trumps the bad interaction with mac.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i dunno how i feel about kites and his mac vote when it happened now that it happened. i wouldn't be as bold as to put kites and nova in green as it stands. daisy has town read civ to me with her interaction with jack. also it's her bday and illegal to suspect her today. ( don't @ me jay)

We used to lynch people on their birthday on HCRealms.

[Jackofhearts2005]

jack feels like world flags jack except he doesn't seem as eager to be nk'd. especially his damn stubbornness with regards to the juliets and daisy, and not caring how bad it made him look.

Lol well I’m not a pgo this time.

Spoiler: show

Or am I?

[dunya]

Does anyone have concerns about DDL? I handed him a big juicy dark green skittle, but I grant that in his case the credit is less clearly-apparent than with dunya or nutella.

i've kinda overlooked him. i thought he looked very carefree and authentic in his "idgaf" attitude on day 0 and tone read him civ, but i've seen less and less of him. i'll check out his iso and report back.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why is nova not in your poe, jay?

I believe he looks authentic, and that trumps inconsistent association with Mac. I am open to a counterargument.

can you briefly explain the authenticity you see that trumps the bad interaction with mac.

At face value, I haven't found any of nova's content to be concerning really (since that emoji bullshit on page 1. ). When he has provided reads they have struck me as genuine. When he has been present in the thread he has been able to maintain continuous, fast dialogue and he seems loose in the effort. I can't off-hand come up with a nova post that stood out to me as more questionable or uglier than the rest. If I were to be critical, it'd be that he opened Day 0 with the fire we'd anticipate and has since fettered off.

[dunya]

it's not like he's been lurking though. when he's around, he's been active. i don't like to judge people because of irl shit, but at the same time, something seriously nagging me about how he and mac greeted each other itt lol and how before he left for the night (when mac was just me voting for him and you starting to voice concerns) he just shut them down, after having been after mac initially. it felt like now that we were close to the eleventh hour he didn't actually want that transpiring and it hit me the wrong way.

apart from mac, yeah, i don't recall much bad. i don't have energy to go through his post history and correct myself, but i feel more comfy having him in my poe based on mac's flip.