Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[speedchuck]

- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.

Citation needed.

Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.

Do you remember seeing a good version?

I remember seeing versions of it, and if my memory doesn't betray me they were good.

Sure, sure.

That's not a citation though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.

Citation needed.

Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.

Do you remember seeing a good version?

I remember seeing versions of it, and if my memory doesn't betray me they were good.

Sure, sure.

That's not a citation though.

Sorry, teacher. Please do not let me fail this module.

[novaselinenever]

- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.

Citation needed.

Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.

Do you remember seeing a good version?

[speedchuck]

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] Did you have a choice in who would be on the poll, or was the choice literally "put 5 lowest posters on or do not use this role"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I disagree. Generally abilities hitting people at random results in revealed baddies and vigged baddies, which means much more for the baddies than the civs. I've lost count of how many games I hosted where I gave the mafia the ability to randomize someone's actions and it ended up backfiring on them. While in terms of thread, a game where town is constantly attacking different people and not following predictable patterns means more things for mafia to react to. Mafia likes a game that follows a smooth lynch order which they can control.

Is there anything random about what you've done?

[novaselinenever]

Monica Geller
You are perfect for party planning, as your attention to details and obsession with getting the job done gives you the skills needed to do an impressive job. This time, you’ll be planning a party: A lynch party! One Night, you will submit a list of invitees to the Host. These will be the only names on the poll the next Day. Your list must have at least four names.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dragon D. Luffy Did you have a choice in who would be on the poll, or was the choice literally "put 5 lowest posters on or do not use this role"

I did have a choice.

I decided to make an objective, detatched one, that isn't clouded by my own (terrible) scumhunting skills.

I want to lynch low posters. Not sure which ones. Have wanted since Night 1, actually, but LC's little game poured water into my beer.

I disagree. Generally abilities hitting people at random results in revealed baddies and vigged baddies, which means much more for the baddies than the civs. I've lost count of how many games I hosted where I gave the mafia the ability to randomize someone's actions and it ended up backfiring on them. While in terms of thread, a game where town is constantly attacking different people and not following predictable patterns means more things for mafia to react to. Mafia likes a game that follows a smooth lynch order which they can control.

Is there anything random about what you've done?

I bet the mafia thought it was random.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I got a role and thought "what is the most optimal use I can make out of it"

This was the answer.

[speedchuck]

Dragon D. Luffy Did you have a choice in who would be on the poll, or was the choice literally "put 5 lowest posters on or do not use this role"

I did have a choice.

I decided to make an objective, detatched one, that isn't clouded by my own (terrible) scumhunting skills.

I want to lynch low posters. Not sure which ones. Have wanted since Night 1, actually, but LC's little game poured water into my beer.

On the one hand, probably not a bad decision.

On the other hand, not one we can hold you accountable for. By design? Idunno. We can't judge DDL on his picks because he picked an objective standard.

Nova is right that this role was town last time, though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This notion that roles are predominantly civilian or predominantly mafia means little to me in this game. I'm a civilian who makes it harder for people to post. I don't even think Long Con has to be a civilian based purely on his role claim.

[novaselinenever]

DDL, but Eloh?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think there's anything inherently suspicious about DDL using the role he was given in this way. There are plenty of reasons to suspect him that aren't role-related, but this doesn't move the ticker down for him in my opinion. What else was he supposed to do with it?

[novaselinenever]

Luna = Leetic >= Niju >> Neverwhere

[Matahari]

DDL, but Eloh?

Yes, please.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If the Mafia are just flat missing kills (unknown, but plausible), that points more to leetic than anyone else. It can point to Neverwhere and niju and probably does not point to Luna.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I shouldn't have capitalized "mafia". I'm screwing up my own pristine notation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If the Mafia are just flat missing kills (unknown, but plausible), that points more to leetic than anyone else. It can point to Neverwhere and niju and probably does not point to Luna.

Well, really it points to reywaS the most.

[novaselinenever]

If the Mafia are just flat missing kills (unknown, but plausible), that points more to leetic than anyone else. It can point to Neverwhere and niju and probably does not point to Luna.

I know why there wasn't a kill on Night 2. I dont know why there wasn't a kill last night.

[novaselinenever]

DDL, but Eloh?

Yes, please.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If the Mafia are just flat missing kills (unknown, but plausible), that points more to leetic than anyone else. It can point to Neverwhere and niju and probably does not point to Luna.

I know why there wasn't a kill on Night 2. I dont know why there wasn't a kill last night.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll just say why I poked nova with the insanity stick:

His rate of contribution had been tailing off for a while, and that was generating increased suspicion alongside interactive bits. His earliest civilian credit had faded. Indeed, he was reverting into the form of Guy Who Posts Gifs.

So I decided he'd make a nice target for my weird ability. In past games, there have been instances where civilians have been hit with some kind of posting restriction, and during that period they operated in a manner that made their authenticity more clear. Some people will use any method they can come up with to communicate effectively instead of using the excuse to just piss off from the game for a day. So I wanted to see how nova would respond to that challenge. How has he performed?

I will issue a positive grade, though with a minor groan. He has found ways to communicate within the bounds of his restriction, and indeed he has engaged in almost "cheating" activities (no gripe, I've done the same in his position) that don't really apply to the restriction but may not violate it either -- emojis, raw quotes, etc. He's been generally active as much as anyone during the phase and seems to be trying to make the best of it.

Minor groan: the emojis were shite and offer less tangible communication than the other methods he's used. So those sucked. He hasn't wholly relied upon them though so whatever.

[Long Con]

I haven't been hit with that power, in answer to that question earlier. What is Nova quoting, some Steely Dan song?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I haven't been hit with that power, in answer to that question earlier. What is Nova quoting, some Steely Dan song?

I'm not entirely certain, and I won't reveal that anyway if I figure it out.

[dunya]

I haven't been hit with that power, in answer to that question earlier. What is Nova quoting, some Steely Dan song?

I'm not entirely certain, and I won't reveal that anyway if I figure it out.

Spoiler: show

[dunya]

I don't think there's anything inherently suspicious about DDL using the role he was given in this way.

timing.

[dunya]

I'll just say why I poked nova with the insanity stick:

His rate of contribution had been tailing off for a while, and that was generating increased suspicion alongside interactive bits. His earliest civilian credit had faded. Indeed, he was reverting into the form of Guy Who Posts Gifs.

So I decided he'd make a nice target for my weird ability. In past games, there have been instances where civilians have been hit with some kind of posting restriction, and during that period they operated in a manner that made their authenticity more clear. Some people will use any method they can come up with to communicate effectively instead of using the excuse to just piss off from the game for a day. So I wanted to see how nova would respond to that challenge. How has he performed?

I will issue a positive grade, though with a minor groan. He has found ways to communicate within the bounds of his restriction, and indeed he has engaged in almost "cheating" activities (no gripe, I've done the same in his position) that don't really apply to the restriction but may not violate it either -- emojis, raw quotes, etc. He's been generally active as much as anyone during the phase and seems to be trying to make the best of it.

Minor groan: the emojis were shite and offer less tangible communication than the other methods he's used. So those sucked. He hasn't wholly relied upon them though so whatever.

meh.

really flat meh that you got all that from nova.

[novaselinenever]

I'll just say why I poked nova with the insanity stick:

His rate of contribution had been tailing off for a while, and that was generating increased suspicion alongside interactive bits. His earliest civilian credit had faded. Indeed, he was reverting into the form of Guy Who Posts Gifs.

So I decided he'd make a nice target for my weird ability. In past games, there have been instances where civilians have been hit with some kind of posting restriction, and during that period they operated in a manner that made their authenticity more clear. Some people will use any method they can come up with to communicate effectively instead of using the excuse to just piss off from the game for a day. So I wanted to see how nova would respond to that challenge. How has he performed?

I will issue a positive grade, though with a minor groan. He has found ways to communicate within the bounds of his restriction, and indeed he has engaged in almost "cheating" activities (no gripe, I've done the same in his position) that don't really apply to the restriction but may not violate it either -- emojis, raw quotes, etc. He's been generally active as much as anyone during the phase and seems to be trying to make the best of it.

Minor groan: the emojis were shite and offer less tangible communication than the other methods he's used. So those sucked. He hasn't wholly relied upon them though so whatever.

[novaselinenever]

I'll just say why I poked nova with the insanity stick:

His rate of contribution had been tailing off for a while, and that was generating increased suspicion alongside interactive bits. His earliest civilian credit had faded. Indeed, he was reverting into the form of Guy Who Posts Gifs.

So I decided he'd make a nice target for my weird ability. In past games, there have been instances where civilians have been hit with some kind of posting restriction, and during that period they operated in a manner that made their authenticity more clear. Some people will use any method they can come up with to communicate effectively instead of using the excuse to just piss off from the game for a day. So I wanted to see how nova would respond to that challenge. How has he performed?

I will issue a positive grade, though with a minor groan. He has found ways to communicate within the bounds of his restriction, and indeed he has engaged in almost "cheating" activities (no gripe, I've done the same in his position) that don't really apply to the restriction but may not violate it either -- emojis, raw quotes, etc. He's been generally active as much as anyone during the phase and seems to be trying to make the best of it.

Minor groan: the emojis were shite and offer less tangible communication than the other methods he's used. So those sucked. He hasn't wholly relied upon them though so whatever.

meh.

really flat meh that you got all that from nova.

[Epignosis]

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked disappointed.

"Maybe one day it could be a decent B-side."

reywaS never got recorded.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Bodhisattva
Can you show me the shine of your japan, the sparkle of your china?

The Bodhisattva is one who has attained Nirvana but sticks around to save others. You protect someone each Night at the expense of your own life and by the shine of your Japan. Won’t you take me by the hand?

You are a civilian and win when the mafia are dead.

It is still Day 4. You don't have much more time to lynch someone. Please do not vote for reywaS.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think there's anything inherently suspicious about DDL using the role he was given in this way.

timing.

When should he have used it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Later [mention]reywaS[/mention]. Bummer but shit happens. I hope to see you in another game soon!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

meh.

really flat meh that you got all that from nova.

I don't know what you mean. Meh that I targeted nova, or meh that I drew those conclusions?

[dunya]

I have a self imposed internet ban today and tomorrow.

I already discussed why timing of ddl was bad. Check my iso .

If you had his role, would you have used it when he did? We're on a role. Who is to say the direction we were headed in was a bad one?

Vig took out ReyWas. Cool. It had to be done.

[dunya]

meh.

really flat meh that you got all that from nova.

I don't know what you mean. Meh that I targeted nova, or meh that I drew those conclusions?

Big meh at your new nova thesis.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I already discussed why timing of ddl was bad. Check my iso .

If you had his role, would you have used it when he did? We're on a role. Who is to say the direction we were headed in was a bad one?

I may have used it when he did, sure. I also don't think it implies that we are "changing direction". I know my own suspect list was loaded with inactive people. There was a good chance I'd have voted for one of these people anyway.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

meh.

really flat meh that you got all that from nova.

I don't know what you mean. Meh that I targeted nova, or meh that I drew those conclusions?

Big meh at your new nova thesis.

Well kiss my ass. If you have a better way to use my role and derive conclusions, be sure to let me know

[Matahari]

[VOTE: nijuu] aubergine

Because I’m leaving soon and I don’t want to risk getting back too late to vote.

[dunya]

Obnoxious.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay

[dunya]

- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.

Citation needed.

Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.

Do you remember seeing a good version?

I remember seeing versions of it, and if my memory doesn't betray me they were good.

Sure, sure.

That's not a citation though.

Sorry, teacher. Please do not let me fail this module.

The point is, epi hasn't made the roles easily readable. Whatever your claim, it's alignment neutral.

[dunya]

Screw this. I'm off for the night.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

dunya's beef with DDL about this poll smells like bullshit to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"The timing is bad"

Okay, when is he supposed to it?

"We were going a good direction"

Okay, this doesn't mean we're changing direction.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Imo he ability gets stronger the earlier I use it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Niju] aubergine

Yeah she looks the worst unless someone can give me a better reason for the others.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I note that rey's role is the first which seems [to me] conclusively civilian in its utility (classic bodyguard). As a mafioso role it is just smoke and mirrors.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm off for a while. I'm good with a niju lynch. Preferred alternative if not her is leetic. k bye

[juliets]

it seems way too quiet.

[novaselinenever]

it seems way too quiet.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Niju] aubergine

Yeah she looks the worst unless someone can give me a better reason for the others.

Leetic