MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[Gemma]

epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question

Tell me more.

i think he was going out of his way to try to make you look bad

[Gemma]

i don't really have any reads of the townread/scumread type rn sorry

50 posts to arrive here

[VOTE: Gemma] aubergine

would you prefer it if i listed some random hard reads and made up reasons for them

Some real reads would be super.

i would also love some real reads

[JaggedJimmyJay]

epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question

Tell me more.

i think he was going out of his way to try to make you look bad

I mean: which question specifically and why did it bear that ugly appearance to you?

[MacDougall]

What the fuck? How far do you have to reach to give Owner town points for such an asinine post? Jfc.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I let my frustration and anger out on the scum. They shall feel my wrath.

RDW my dude you opened this game eager and ready, but you've tapered off. What gives?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What the fuck? How far do you have to reach to give Owner town points for such an asinine post? Jfc.

Do you gripe with Epi's rationale?

[MacDougall]

What the fuck? How far do you have to reach to give Owner town points for such an asinine post? Jfc.

Do you gripe with Epi's rationale?

Yes it's insincere as fuck and you agreeing with it is also dumb. "Oh Owner looks town because he saw a soft mac post and made a big deal out of it".

That's called false scum hunting. it's what Mafia players do. Because they have to fake it. So they hone in on hollow nothingness just like that.

[Gemma]

his reads so far are kind of rigid and one-dimensional-ish which is a little concerning but i'm still getting a sense of his process and given the level he seems to be playing at i think things like his mood and approach to me might be more alignment indicative, so he mostly just ends up at null. if you think there is anything he's done that is very alignment indicative for him i would love to hear it

This is a good description in a roundabout way of my trouble with you: I am not getting a sense of your process. Your post history is a casserole of thoughts all splayed in a frying pan. When will you extract bits from the mess and form conclusions? Here's a prompt:

I'd like to know what your present read is on Epignosis.

my process is absorbing as much as information as i can and interacting with people as much as possible without annoying everyone too much until i have a few townreads that i feel good about and can use to worldbuild around. i can't really say when i'll be able to extract things, foreign atmosphere and weird playstyles here don't exactly mesh that well with me so everything is muddier than usual. probably tomorrow given the dayphase ends in like 12 hours or something i think? or hopefully people just lynch me randomly and i never have to

i don't have a read on him

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What the fuck? How far do you have to reach to give Owner town points for such an asinine post? Jfc.

Do you gripe with Epi's rationale?

Yes it's insincere as fuck and you agreeing with it is also dumb. "Oh Owner looks town because he saw a soft mac post and made a big deal out of it".

That's called false scum hunting. it's what Mafia players do. Because they have to fake it. So they hone in on hollow nothingness just like that.

Isolating unique civilian indicators that other people wouldn't mention/notice/care about is something I expect from modern era Epignosis. I don't think the notion is absurd, or at least not any more absurd than the notion that it must instead be a mafia indicator.

[MacDougall]

Owner, Epi and DDL voting Nova together makes me sick.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

my process is absorbing as much as information as i can and interacting with people as much as possible without annoying everyone too much until i have a few townreads that i feel good about and can use to worldbuild around. i can't really say when i'll be able to extract things, foreign atmosphere and weird playstyles here don't exactly mesh that well with me so everything is muddier than usual. probably tomorrow given the dayphase ends in like 12 hours or something i think? or hopefully people just lynch me randomly and i never have to

Do your thing as the day continues and I'll judge for myself. As it stands, stuff like this:

i don't have a read on him

is hard to understand considering the posts you have dedicated to the matter.

[Gemma]

I would murder MP for the crime of exuding excitement about the game and then

Spoiler: show

he just played on dlp with us and was mostly a noshow

and was town

i don't really think it's alignment indicative

ofc idk why he invited me to the game if he didn't have time to play but that's another matter

[MacDougall]

What the fuck? How far do you have to reach to give Owner town points for such an asinine post? Jfc.

Do you gripe with Epi's rationale?

Yes it's insincere as fuck and you agreeing with it is also dumb. "Oh Owner looks town because he saw a soft mac post and made a big deal out of it".

That's called false scum hunting. it's what Mafia players do. Because they have to fake it. So they hone in on hollow nothingness just like that.

Isolating unique civilian indicators that other people wouldn't mention/notice/care about is something I expect from modern era Epignosis. I don't think the notion is absurd, or at least not any more absurd than the notion that it must instead be a mafia indicator.

What kind of BS doublespeak is this? I never said it "must" be. I pointed out that what Owner did has clear and obvious scum motivation and should not be given any kind of civ clearance. It's one thing for Epi to do it, but for you to see that post and agree with it rather than seeing what I see is major .

[MacDougall]

"Owner saw a mac shit post and is making a big deal out of it, what a fucken townie."

- Literally you guys.

[Gemma]

epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question

Tell me more.

i think he was going out of his way to try to make you look bad

I mean: which question specifically and why did it bear that ugly appearance to you?

I kind of want to vote JJJ. I enjoy playing with him, and it has been awhile since we last played. But I also feel like I'm not quite yet seeing the Jay that I've seen before in 2 other games I played with him. Is that enough to go by? I don't know. Have I only seen his town game? I think so. Then again he might play different with a power role in hand, so maybe that's why he appears different. Or he could be generally busy, but I'm not suppose to make excuses for him. I'm just suppose to read what the thread gives me. Or maybe some games does Jay not get serious super early on? In my mind, it would be hard to maintain a talkative or inquisitive facade like every single game.

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[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine Right now, you are the most different to me. I suggest doing something to change my mind or find someone scummier. I hope to see some effort when i get back. (aka I wanted to play with you more, but I can't be your buddy if you are scum)

I'm not following what you're saying. If I reduce your commentary to the highlighted bit: are you then asserting that I have not been serious to this point in the game? Because that's hard to believe.

Why reduce the commentary to the highlighted bit? What purpose does that serve?

i don't think his question was in good faith

[MacDougall]

I am on Team Gemma. Let's lynch Epi. Give him the day one boot.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What kind of BS doublespeak is this? I never said it "must" be. I pointed out that what Owner did has clear and obvious scum motivation and should not be given any kind of civ clearance. It's one thing for Epi to do it, but for you to see that post and agree with it rather than seeing what I see is major .

Yeah I don't care about your flailing hands emoji. Just about any post in the universe "can" have a scum motivation. Who gives a shit? The point of this game is to make judgments.

[MacDougall]

What kind of BS doublespeak is this? I never said it "must" be. I pointed out that what Owner did has clear and obvious scum motivation and should not be given any kind of civ clearance. It's one thing for Epi to do it, but for you to see that post and agree with it rather than seeing what I see is major .

Yeah I don't care about your flailing hands emoji. Just about any post in the universe "can" have a scum motivation. Who gives a shit? The point of this game is to make judgments.

So it's okay for Epi and you to point at an asinine post and give in townie points but when I point out the scum motivation in the very same post "who gives a shit".

It almost feels like you are intentionally refusing to see my point for some reason Jimbob.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i don't think his question was in good faith

Okay so you suspect him?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What kind of BS doublespeak is this? I never said it "must" be. I pointed out that what Owner did has clear and obvious scum motivation and should not be given any kind of civ clearance. It's one thing for Epi to do it, but for you to see that post and agree with it rather than seeing what I see is major .

Yeah I don't care about your flailing hands emoji. Just about any post in the universe "can" have a scum motivation. Who gives a shit? The point of this game is to make judgments.

So it's okay for Epi and you to point at an asinine post and give in townie points but when I point out the scum motivation in the very same post "who gives a shit".

It almost feels like you are intentionally refusing to see my point for some reason Jimbob.

You're not giving me a judgment. You're telling me about what a post "can" be. I don't care about that. Any post can be anything. Do you think the post is suspicious or not?

[MacDougall]

What kind of BS doublespeak is this? I never said it "must" be. I pointed out that what Owner did has clear and obvious scum motivation and should not be given any kind of civ clearance. It's one thing for Epi to do it, but for you to see that post and agree with it rather than seeing what I see is major .

Yeah I don't care about your flailing hands emoji. Just about any post in the universe "can" have a scum motivation. Who gives a shit? The point of this game is to make judgments.

So it's okay for Epi and you to point at an asinine post and give in townie points but when I point out the scum motivation in the very same post "who gives a shit".

It almost feels like you are intentionally refusing to see my point for some reason Jimbob.

You're not giving me a judgment. You're telling me about what a post "can" be. I don't care about that. Any post can be anything. Do you think the post is suspicious or not?

Okay Trump

[Gemma]

my process is absorbing as much as information as i can and interacting with people as much as possible without annoying everyone too much until i have a few townreads that i feel good about and can use to worldbuild around. i can't really say when i'll be able to extract things, foreign atmosphere and weird playstyles here don't exactly mesh that well with me so everything is muddier than usual. probably tomorrow given the dayphase ends in like 12 hours or something i think? or hopefully people just lynch me randomly and i never have to

Do your thing as the day continues and I'll judge for myself. As it stands, stuff like this:

i don't have a read on him

is hard to understand considering the posts you have dedicated to the matter.

that's fair

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay Trump

Do you think the post is suspicious or not?

[MacDougall]

Okay Trump

Do you think the post is suspicious or not?

I do not have to think it is suspicious to think that it's suspicious that Epignosis and yourself give in town points.

[MacDougall]

If I thought the post was suspicious in and of itself i would have said so when I first saw it. I saw it and thought nothing much more of it aside from "dude is taking my shit post seriously".

Next minute Epi "oh I like how he took Mac's shit post seriously, such town"... Jay "yes very town". Mac:

[Gemma]

i don't think his question was in good faith

Okay so you suspect him?

i think that post was scummy

i'm not being coy, i just don't have what you want from me

[Gemma]

when is deadline?

[novaselinenever]

I read nova's posts (yes, after I voted for him- I am above chronology ).

I'm not impressed.

The first sixteen posts are mainly dicking around.

I don't like Soneji's entrance. I get the timid ones, especially for someone new to the community and the site but the old cracking a joke as an ice-breaker followed by absolutely nothing is shit.

"Someone new to the community" is like half the field, and these people are decidedly not timid.

@novaselinenever

Reads please

I'm currently beefing with Rundon'twalk and Soneji. I'm not really buying the formers concern with Jay sticking him as good early on, and the whole "he knows I play the same as both alignments" is whack. That has never stopped people from forming read, let alone gut ones. If what he claims is true and Jay knows him well, he should also know Jay well and that flinging poo early on alongside sticking people with an alignment based on first impression is his bread and butter. I think I talked about Soneji's entrance sometime earlier.

The whole no lynch thing is hilarious, and I'm more intrigued by DDL jumping on Speed than the latter making that claim. I took it as him messing around, 'cause I don't believe for a second that he's serious about it.

I can't say I'm a fan of you calling out the vote on DDL, nor throwing around fancy words like "chainsaw defense". Feels like over-compensating

DDL gets his Fruit of the Looms in a wad over things sometimes, and he spoke up about this one.

If DDL were bad here, and there's a guy in the thread pushing a Day 1 no-lynch (even when it's obvious he's not doing that), why go to bat? Stay in the dugout.

Also fuck these ball players today.

nova has asked a lot of questions but has not meaningfully followed up on them. Here's an example. There are thirty-four question marks in nova's posting history, and he has forty-two posts. I know some of those question marks belong to other people, but damn. He doesn't go anywhere with any of them.

Holy shit bananas, there are even questions without question marks.

And so little follow through.

Epi isn't making a whole lot of sense

This is devoid of both punctuation and clarity.

Maybe he meant it to be a question.

I'm comfortable with my nova vote. My hope is that he gets lynched, is revealed to be mafia, and will henceforth and forever be monitoring his question mark usage.

I'm not getting lynched so don't get your hopes up but I'm sure I'll end up dying during this game and you'll see me revealed as my beautiful town self.

I didn't mean it to be a question. I was referring to your Jay stuff when you were asked about your stance on him. "Always bad until convinced otherwise", then turning it into "I don't give civilian reads like candy bla bla bla" is whack. You don't have to give him a civilian read, but at least you could share what his posts were making you feel at the time. You were avoiding giving a stance on him

[novaselinenever]

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

Not sure if I care for this post too much.

If Nova is bad, Ultra would not be with him.

lf Nova is good, that doesn't necessarily confirm or deny Ultra's alignment.

This post makes no sense. Nobody has flipped, you're not arguing against the case made on ultra nor my thoughts on it. You're just going through hypothesis based on something that hasn't happened, that might not happened and branding it "Not care if I care for this post".

I believe this was before your vote on me. What is the point of this post?

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

emoji/emoticon tell is kind of bugging me

Your posting a lot of emojis that relate to scum or evil mentality.

For now, that's what a got.

I guess I don't see a motivation for a townie player to be giving off such a vibe, but we don't necessarily pick which vibes we exhibit from player to player, so yeah..I forgot where I was going with this.

[novaselinenever]

I'm bugged that Owner tacked on with nova here and then wrote this big vague essay about me being "different", whatever that means.

I didn't really tack on. I was already having thoughts in that direction, and highly doubt my past experience/reasoning overlapped with his reason for saying that.

Could be. @novaselinenever you still haven't told me what had you underwhelmed.

You weren't doing things.

[novaselinenever]

Yo Mac I appreciate the defense but it's getting me paranoid

[novaselinenever]

Or is Novadar just that good these days?

[novaselinenever]

This is the one true lynch.

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

I'm here, where are you?

[Gemma]

oh, that's what epig meant

you really like that gif

[novaselinenever]

when is deadline?

It's on the poll, should be in your timezone. It's 5.pm EST

[novaselinenever]

oh, that's what epig meant

you really like that gif

It's a perfect gif

[Gemma]

when is deadline?

It's on the poll, should be in your timezone. It's 5.pm EST

thanks

i will not be around, rip me

[Gemma]

nova do you want to help me solve the game

[Gemma]

is it weird that a lot of people seem to have bad feelings about owner and yet i am the only person voting her

[novaselinenever]

nova do you want to help me solve the game

Of course. What do you have?

[novaselinenever]

I hate her post about the Ultra case.

[novaselinenever]

Who are those? I kind of remember Mac but he's also got beef with Epi so I'm not sure what's weird about it.

[Gemma]

nova do you want to help me solve the game

Of course. What do you have?

not much lol

weak townreads on jjj and mac

owner's scumread on you is... something. i don't know how to talk about it but if the mod confirmed for me that she was town then i would have to assume that it was some kind of eccentric variation of a toneread?

[Gemma]

Who are those? I kind of remember Mac but he's also got beef with Epi so I'm not sure what's weird about it.

idk a lot of people, or maybe i just kept reading the same posts over and over again lmao

[Gemma]

I hate her post about the Ultra case.

i dislike that she skirted around commenting on the ultra read, but i don't really have a problem with her saying that you're not a wolf with ultra.

[novaselinenever]

I hate her post about the Ultra case.

i dislike that she skirted around commenting on the ultra read, but i don't really have a problem with her saying that you're not a wolf with ultra.

The compatibility analysis is fair, but I don't think it belongs there at the time with her not even voting me yet, let alone having seen me flip.

I just don't see what was the purpose of the post, since she's not agreeing/disagreeing with the case on Ultra nor having a problem with me backing Speed on it. The "not sure I care about this post" is absolutely ridiculous in this context lol.

Feels like a way to shade someone for absolutely no reason and kind of force direct interaction preparing for a vote. She ended up doing the latter.

[novaselinenever]

I could see an Ultra/Owner connection if I squint.

[novaselinenever]

Nah I think you're right, thinking about it Jay and Drago also made some comment about Owner. I guess they have stronger beef elsewhere